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>> THE FINAL DAYS AND MORE WORD
PARSING.
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>>> THE FINAL DAY AND MORE WORD
PARSING OVER THE AUTO BAILOUT.
>>> FROM THE STUDIO AT WOSU AT
COASTSIDE, THIS IS "COLUMBUS ON
THE RECORD."
JOINING MIKE THOMPSON THIS WEEK
ANN FISHER, HOST OF "ALL SIDES
WITH ANN FISHER" ON 89.7 NPR
NEWS, DARRELL ROLAND WITH THE
"COLUMBUS DISPATCH," BOB CLAY,
AND SANDY, DEMOCRATIC
>>> WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT
THE FINAL WEEK OF THE OHIO
CAMPAIGN WAS MISSING SOMETHING?
OR AT LEAST OFFICIAL
CAMPAIGNING.
THE REASON WAS HURRICANE SANDY
THAT SWEPT AWAY PARTS OF THE
IT ALSO FLOODED NEW YORK CITY,
CLAIMING DOZENS OF LIVES AND
CAUSING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN
THE PRESIDENT LEFT THE CAMPAIGN
DAMAGE.
TRAIL TO MONITOR DISASTER RELIEF
AND WORK HAND IN HAND WITH
REPUBLICAN NEW JERSEY GOVERNOR
ANY POLITICAL ANIMOSITY BETWEEN
THE TWO MEN WAS SWEPT AWAY BY
THE STORM, AT LEAST FOR THE TIME
>> WHAT I CAN PROMISE YOU IS
BEING.
WE'LL WORK AS CLOSELY WITH THE
STATE AND LOCAL OFFICIALS, AND
WE WILL NOT QUIT UNTIL THIS IS
DONE.
THE DIRECTIONS I HAVE GIVEN -- I
SAID THIS YESTERDAY, BUT I WILL
REPEAT, AND I THINK CRAIG AND
OTHERS WHO ARE WORLD WAR IING
WITH ME RIGHT NOW KNOW I MEAN
WE ARE NOT GOING TO TOLERATE RED
TAPE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO TOLERATE
BUREAUCRACY.
FOR TWO DAYS HIMSELF, TURNING A
DAYTON AREA EVENT INTO A
COLLECTION POINT FOR SUPPLIES
FOR STORM VICTIMS.
>> I APPRECIATE YOUR GENEROSITY.
IT'S PART OF THE AMERICAN
THE AMERICAN WAY, TO GIVE TO
SPIRIT.
PEOPLE WHO ARE IN NEED, AND YOUR
GENEROSITY THIS MORNING TOUCHES
MY HEART.
>> ANN FISHER, BOTH CANDIDATES
WERE OFF THE TRAIL FOR A FEW
THEY WEREN'T IN OHIO.
DAYS.
I MEAN, ROMNEY DID THE QUICK
EVENT IN KETTERING.
WHO BENEFITTED THE MOST, WHO WAS
HURT THE MOST BY BEING OUT OF
OHIO?
>> WE ALL BENEFIT FROM HAVING
THEM OUT OF OHIO FOR A FEW DAYS.
PARTICULARLY PEOPLE IN THE NEWS
BUSINESS LIKE US.
I DON'T THINK MITT ROMNEY LOST
GROUND, BUT I DON'T THINK HE
I THINK HE LOST MOMENTUM.
PRESIDENTIAL ENOUGH, AND YOU
CAN'T BUY THAT KIND OF
PUBLICITY, AND IT LOOKS NICE,
BUT -- AND THAT -- MORE THAN
THAT, IT WAS NOTHING HE DID.
IT WAS CHRIS CHRISTIE AND MAYOR
BLOOMBERG THAT CAME OUT FOR HIM
AND PRAISING HIM FOR HIS
REACTION TO THE STORM.
>> I WANT TO GET YOUR TAKE.
WHAT DID YOU THINK OF CHRIS
HE IS PRAISING THE PRESIDENT.
PRAISING THE PRESIDENT, NOT FOR
ATTENTIVENESS TO THIS SITUATION.
>> OBVIOUSLY, HE IS FACING, AS A
GOVERNOR -- THE GOVERNOR -- ANN
IS RIGHT.
IT'S THE LOCALS THAT HAVE TO
DEAL WITH THIS MOSTLY.
IT'S THE GOVERNORS.
HE HAS A REALLY BAD SITUATION IN
HIS STATE, AND I THINK HE DID A
GREAT JOB OF BEING GRATEFUL TO
HAVE THE HELP FROM THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT, BUT NOT GOING
I THINK WE DON'T -- I THINK THIS
IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE
REALLY HAVEN'T SEEN THE FULL
IMPACT OF IT YET.
I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY
AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE DAYS
BEFORE THE ELECTION COULD TURN
THIS INTO SOMETHING THAT ISN'T
AS GREAT AS EVERYBODY IS
THINKING RIGHT NOW.
>> ARE YOU STARTING TO HEAR THE
COMPLAINTS FROM NEW YORKERS.
YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN WITHOUT
POWER.
WE KNOW WHAT'S THAT LIKE.
GOING WITHOUT POWER TWO, THREE
DAYS, AND IF THAT CONTINUES,
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ALL --
>> THEY'RE DOING THE NEW YORK
MARATHON ON THIS WEEKEND, AND --
>> TALK ABOUT A TIN EAR.
>> YEAH.
WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT?
>> HOW DOES THIS PLAY TO OHIO
VOTERS, DO YOU THINK, DARRELL?
ARE THEY -- ARE THEY WATCHING
THIS?
WE WEREN'T AFFECTED.
OHIO WAS AFFECTED BY THE STORM.
WE WEREN'T IN CENTRAL OHIO.
HOW ARE WE WATCH THIS?
>> I SUPPOSE WE SHOULD APOLOGIZE
TO SOME BY TALKING ABOUT THE
POLITICAL IMPACT OF A NATIONAL
TRAGEDY WITH SO MANY PEOPLE DEAD
THINGS.
NOW, BACK TO THE FUN PART.
>> WHAT'S THE IMPACT OF IT?
>> THE IMPACT, I AGREE WITH ANN.
I THINK THERE WAS A LOT TO LOSE
FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA HERE, AND I
THINK HE GAINED A LOT, AND THE
FACT THAT THE RACE IS
ESSENTIALLY PROBABLY FROZEN FOR
TWO, THREE DAYS, I THINK ROMNEY
NEEDED TO MAKE UP GROUND, AND
HAS VERY LITTLE TIME TO DO IT,
SO I THINK IT PROBABLY HURT HIM,
THE BOTTOM LINE.
>> I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER
BENEFIT TO IT.
ONE OF THE FUNDAMENTAL
DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THESE TWO
CANDIDATES HAS BEEN ON THE ROLE
OF GOVERNMENT, AND WE HAVE
ROMNEY COMING OUT AGAINST OBAMA
CARE, AGAINST THE AUTO RESCUE
AND AGAINST FEMA, AND I THINK
WHEN PEOPLE TURN ON THEIR TVS
AND SAW THIS, THEY SAID, WOW,
GOVERNMENT DOES HAVE AN
IMPORTANT ROLE AND TO SEE TWO
PARTIES WORK TOGETHER FOR THE
GOOD OF THE PEOPLE FOR A CHANGE
WAS VERY NICE.
>> ANOTHER BENEFIT, ANOTHER
ABSTRACT BENEFIT IS THE IDEA OF
CLIMATE CHANGE WHEN BLOOMBERG
SUPPORTED THE PRESIDENT BECAUSE
OF THAT.
HE SAID THIS IS CLEAR INDICATION
WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
HE IS THE ONLY CANDIDATE THAT IS
WILLING TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM.
>> LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE POLL
NUMBERS.
USING A REAL CLEAR POLITICS
AVERAGE OF POLLS NOW BECAUSE
THERE'S ONE EVERY TEN MINUTES,
IT SEEMS.
RIGHT NOW THE PRESIDENT HAS A
TWO AND A HALF, HE ROUNDED UP A
THREE-POINT LEAD OVER MITT
ROMNEY IN OHIO.
WE AVERAGED ALL OF THE POLLS.
THE PRESIDENT HAS LED PRETTY
CONSISTENTLY IN THE POLLS, EVEN
BY JUST ONE OR TWO POINTS.
CAN MITT ROMNEY MAKE UP THAT
DIFFERENCE BY ELECTION DAY?
>> IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU HAVE
TO MAKE UP HERE.
NOW, THEY HAD A POLL, CNN, THIS
WEEK CAME OUT WITH A POLL
SHOWING THE PRESIDENT UP BY FIVE
POINTS, AND I AGREE WITH THAT
POLL AS LONG AS DEMOCRATS ARE
GOING TO BE AT A PLUS NINE
PERCENTAGE TURNOUT, WHICH THEY
AREN'T, SO, I MEAN, THE POLLS
ARE GOOD FOR WHAT THEY'RE USING
AS THEIR DATA FOR THEIR POLLING.
WHAT I'M SEEING, I THINK THIS
RACE GETS DOWN TO WHAT'S
HAPPENING TODAY.
THE PRESIDENT WAS IN HILLIARD,
OHIO, AT THE FRANKEN COUNTY
MITT ROMNEY IS GOING TO BE IN
WESTCHESTER, OHIO, WITH SPEAKER
BOEHNER TONIGHT, AND THEY'RE
EXPECTING 50,000 PEOPLE.
I THINK THAT TELLS YOU WHAT'S
GOING ON IN OHIO WITH THIS RACE.
>> AND CINCINNATI IS KEY, SANDY.
HAMILTON COUNTY GOES FOR MITT
ROMNEY, THAT DEFINITELY HELPS
HIM WITH OHIO.
>> I WOULD THINK SO, BUT I DON'T
THINK IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THAT
WAY.
I REALLY THINK THE PRESIDENT NOW
HAS THE MOMENTUM VERY GRADUALLY,
VERY STEADILY, AND I JUST CAN'T
SEE ROMNEY PULLING IT OFF, AND
THE AUTO RESCUE IS ONE OF THE
MAIN REASONS WHY.
>> DARRELL, POLLING IS YOUR
EXPERTISE.
WHICH POLL SHOULD WE?
IS THE AVERAGE A GOOD INDICATOR
OF WHERE WE STAND IN THIS RACE?
>> FRANKLY, I DON'T LIKE TO
AVERAGE THE AVERAGES AS REAL
CLEAR POLITICS DOES.
IT'S A GOOD SIGHT IF YOU WANT TO
SEE WHAT YOU WILL AT POLLS SAY.
FRANKLY, THE POLLS THAT I USE
AND I'M KIND OF A POLL SNOB, I
USE THE OHIO POLL.
I STILL USE -- FOR THEIR RECORD.
WE CONDUCT POLLS, OBVIOUSLY.
ALL OF THESE GROUPS HAVE BEEN IN
OHIO FOR YEARS AND HAVE DONE
OHIO FOR YEARS, AND, FRANKLY,
HAVE STOOD THE TEST OF TIME IN
TERMS OF THE RESULTS ARE PRETTY
CLOSE TO THE ACTUAL.
AGAIN, THAT'S NOT SAYING
ANYTHING ABOUT WHETHER THIS
YEAR'S RIGHT OR WRONG, BUT SOME
OF THESE OUT OF STATE FOLKS COME
IN AND DO A QUICK POLL,
ROBO-CALLS, CAN'T STAND THEM.
>> WHAT'S THE INDICATORS WE
SHOULD WATCH FOR ON TUESDAY
NIGHT AFTER THE POLLS CLOSE AT
7:30.
WE START GETTING THEM.
THE ABSENTEE NUMBERS WILL COME
IN FIRST AND BE SKEWED TOWARDS
>> THE ABSENTEES ARE INTERESTING
OR WHAT I LIKE TO CALL THE EARLY
VOTING THAT'S INTERESTING
BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS ARE WAY
DOWN ON THEIR EARLY VOTING
COMPARED TO 2008, AND OBVIOUSLY
2008 WAS A BIG YEAR FOR THEM,
BUT HERE IN FRANKLIN COUNTY, YOU
HAVE MORE REPUBLICANS THAT HAVE
VOTED EARLY THAN YOU HAVE
DEMOCRATS, WHICH I NEVER WOULD
HAVE BELIEVED.
>> I'M WAITING FOR THIS WEEKEND.
>> I MEAN, AND THEN IN ALL THE
URBAN AREAS LIKE CUYAHOGA,
LUCAS, SUMMIT, MONTGOMERY, THE
REPUBLICANS HAVE ALREADY GONE
PAST THEIR 2008 NUMBER.
DEMOCRATS, ESPECIALLY IN SOME OF
THESE COUNTIES LIKE SUMMIT, ARE
20,000 UNDER THEIR NUMBER FROM
>> YOU HAVE TO WATCH A LITTLE
BIT ABOUT THE RND IDENTIFICATION
BECAUSE HOW DO WE GET THAT IN
WE VOTE IN THE PRIMARIES.
WHAT PRIMARY DO WE HAVE THIS
A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL
THERE WAS NOTHING ON THE
DEMOCRATIC SIDE.
I THINK THERE ARE MORE
REPUBLICANS -- YOU KNOW,
SO-CALLED REGISTERED REPUBLICANS
NOW THAN THERE WERE IN 2008, AT
LEAST BY COMPARISON.
>> A LOT OF THAT IS ENTHUSIASM
TOO.
PEOPLE WANTED TO BE INVOLVED IN
THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY THIS YEAR
WHERE THE LAST TIME THEY REALLY
DIDN'T BECAUSE THINGS WERE NOT,
YOU KNOW, THE BEST ENVIRONMENT
FOR REPUBLICANS.
>> IT WAS THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN
TOO.
>> ONE MORE QUESTION.
LOTS OF POLLS SHOW MITT ROMNEY
WITH A HEALTHY LEAD AMONG
INDEPENDENTS.
WE HEAR THAT INDEPENDENTS ARE
THE KEY TO THE ELECTION.
DOES THAT CONCERN YOU AS A
DEMOCRAT THAT THE INDEPENDENTS
SEEM TO BE BREAKING FOR MITT
ROMNEY?
>> NO, IT DOESN'T.
I THINK A LOT OF THE DEMOGRAPHIC
ROOTS THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS
IDENTIFIED AND TARGETED WITH HIS
POLICIES AND WITH THE GROUND
GAME, WOMEN, AFRICAN-AMERICANS,
SENIOR CITIZENS, THOSE PEOPLE
ARE REAL SUPPORTIVE OF HIM, AND
I THINK THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT
AREN'T REALLY ARE THE WHITE MEN,
SO I THINK HE IS IN GOOD SHAPE.
>> LET'S GET TO OUR NEXT TOPIC.
JUST WHEN YOU THINK THERE'S
NOTHING NEW TO SAY ABOUT THE
AUTO BAILOUT, SOMETHING ELSE
CROPS UP.
THIS TIME IT BEGAN WITH MITT
ROMNEY JUMPING ON A BLOOMBERG
NEWS REPORT.
>> I SAW SURE TODAY THAT ONE OF
THE GREAT MANUFACTURERS IN THIS
STATE, JEEP, NOW OWNED BY THE
ITALIANS IS THINKING OF MOVING
ALL PRODUCTION TO CHINA.
>> WELL, THAT WAS INCORRECT.
BLOOMBERG LATER CLARIFIED THAT
STORY.
CHRYSLER AND FIAT, THE PARENT
COMPANY OF JEEP, SAID IT WILL
NOT MOVE U.S. PRODUCTION TO
CHINA, BUT IT IS CONSIDERING
BUILDING A PLANT IN CHINA TO
SERVE THE CHINESE MARKET.
THEN THE ROMNEY CAMPAIGN
AMPLIFIED THE FLAP BY RELEASING
THIS AD.
>> WHO WILL DO MORE FOR THE AUTO
NOT BARACK OBAMA.
FACT CHECKERS CONFIRM HIS ATTACK
ON MITT ROMNEY ARE FALSE.
MITT ROMNEY HAS A PLAN TO HELP
THE TRUTH?
THE AUTO INDUSTRY.
HE IS SUPPORTED BY LEE IACOCCA
AND THE DETROIT NEWS.
OBAMA TOOK GM AND CHRYSLER INTO
BANKRUPTCY AND SOLD CHRYSLER TO
ITALIAN THAT IS ARE GOING TO
BUILD JEEPS IN CHINA.
MITT ROMNEY WILL FIGHT FOR EVERY
>> POLITIFACT CALLED IT FACTS ON
AMERICAN JOB.
THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN STARTED
FIRE.
RUNNING ITS OWN AD.
>> MITT ROMNEY TURNED HIS BACK.
EVEN THE CONSERVATIVE DETROIT
NEWS CRITICIZED ROMNEY FOR HIS
WRONG-HEADEDNESS ON THE BAILOUT.
NOW AFTER ROMNEY'S FALSE CLAIM
OF JEEP OUTSOURCING TO CHINA,
CHRYSLER ITSELF HAS REFUTED
ROMNEY'S LIE.
JEEP IS ADDING JOBS IN OHIO.
MITT ROMNEY ON OHIO JOBS, WRONG
THEN --
>> LET DETROIT GO BANKRUPT.
>> DISHONEST NOW.
>> BOB CLEGG, WHAT'S YOUR COST
BENEFIT ANALYSIS FOR ME?
THE BENEFIT OF RUNNING AN AD
THAT CHIPS AWAY AT THE
PRESIDENT'S ADVANTAGE ON THE
AUTO BAILOUT, HARSH AD, TOUGH
AD, VERSUS THE COST OF BEING
CALLED MISLEADING, A FALSE AD,
BEING DENOUNCED BY ALL THE AUTO
INDUSTRY?
>> BUT WHAT THEY'RE
DENOUNCING -- WHAT MITT ROMNEY
IS SAYING IS THAT THEY'RE
THINKING ABOUT CHRYSLER CREATING
JOBS OVER IN CHINA TO MAKE
JEEPS.
MY QUESTION IS AND HIS QUESTION
WAS WHY COULDN'T YOU INCREASE
PRODUCTION HERE IN THE UNITED
STATES IN TOLEDO TO HELP THAT
AUTOWORKER THAT'S BEEN OUT OF
WORK FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS?
>> FOR THE SAME REASON THAT
HONDA CAME TO CENTRAL OHIO TO
BUILD HONDAS FOR OHIOANS AND
AMERICANS.
THEY WANT TO BUILD -- THAT'S
JUST --
>> THE PRESIDENT SAID HE WAS THE
ONE THAT CRITICIZED ROMNEY FOR
HAVING COMPANIES WHILE AT BAIN
WHO DID THESE KINDS OF THINGS IN
CHINA, AND HE SAID THAT WAS
TAKING JOBS AWAY FROM AMERICANS.
SOMEHOW IT'S BETTER WHEN
CHRYSLER DOES THAT.
>> HE IS NOT TAKING JOBS AWAY
FROM AMERICA.
>> WHEN BAIN HAD COMPANIES THAT
DID THIS KIND OF INVESTMENT IN
CHINA, WHICH RESULTED IN
CREATING JOBS IN CHINA, HE SAID
THOSE JOBS COULD HAVE BEEN JOBS
THAT COULD HAVE BEEN CREATED
HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.
THE EXACT SAME THING.
>> BAIN, WHAT THEY DID WAS
CLOSED OHIO FACTORIES, THEY CUT
THEM UP AND SOLD THEM OFF, AND
THEN MOVED SOME OF THE JOBS
WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OHIO
BECAUSE OF THE AUTO RESCUE TO
JEEP, HONDA, GM?
THEY'RE ALL EXPANDING.
THERE'S HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS IN INVESTMENT, AND IT
SAVED THE DOMESTIC AUTO
>> WE HAVE THE JOBS IN OHIO.
WHY DID THEY HAVE TO BE IN
THAT'S WHAT OUR --
>> WELL, WE CAN'T EXPORT TO
CHINA.
>> WHAT'S THE TRUTH HERE WITH
REGARDS TO THE AD AND WHAT --
WELL, MITT ROMNEY DID NOT SAY
WHY AREN'T THEY BUILDING JOBS?
HE IS SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO
MOVE OHIO --
>> AND IN SPEECH --
>> WHAT THE AD SAID, AND THEY
SAY THE AD IS WRONG, WHICH ISN'T
>> THEY BOTH ARE OFF.
CORRECT.
>> CLEARLY THE SPEECH IS WRONG.
THEY'RE NOT MOVING ALL OF
PERFECTION.
KASIC WAS CELEBRATING THE
CREATION OF 1,300 JOBS AT THE
JEEP PLANT NOT ALL THAT LONG
I THINK CERTAINLY THE OVERALL
IMPRESSION OF THE ROMNEY AD IS
NOT TRUE.
>> WHY DID -- LET ME ASK YOU.
WHY DID MITT ROMNEY WAIT SO LONG
TO TRY TO CHIPPEWA AT THIS AUTO
BAILOUT?
HE DIDN'T REALLY START UNTIL THE
THE WHOLE SUMMER WENT BY.
DEBATES.
IT WAS BASICALLY A FOREGONE
CONCLUSION THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA
SAVED THE AUTO INDUSTRY, AND
ROMNEY WAS ON THE WRONG SIDE.
UNTIL A MONTH BEFORE THE
ELECTION.
>> THE BLOOMBERG STORY CAME OUT
NOW.
>> IT WAS THE SECOND DEBATE
WHERE HE SAID I'M ABOUT TO DO
THE SAME THING.
>> I THINK THE STORY IS WHAT
DROVE THIS TO BE AN ISSUE ON THE
THAT'S WHY HE DIDN'T DO IT
CAMPAIGN.
BECAUSE HE DIDN'T OBVIOUSLY KNOW
THAT CHRYSLER WAS MAKING PLANS
TO TRY TO BUILD A FACILITY OVER
IN CHINA TO PRODUCE JEEPS.
I MEAN, THAT CAME OUT FROM THE
>> I WONDER WHAT IT WILL DO TO
THE ITALIAN-AMERICAN VOTE.
>> I'M STILL --
>> IT'S REALLY KIND OF A STRANGE
THING.
>> IS THIS THE KEY ISSUE ON THIS
>> THE AUTO BAIL-OUT.
>> IT WILL DECIDE OHIO.
IF OBAMA WINS, IT'S BECAUSE OF
THE AUTO BAILOUT?
>> IT'S BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMY,
AND THE AUTO BAILOUT IS A KEY
COMPONENT OF THAT.
WE ALL AGREE ON THAT.
I THINK WE SHOULD CELEBRATE THAT
BUT ESPECIALLY IN NORTHERN OHIO.
FOR A SECOND.
THAT IS CRITICAL.
I HAVE BEEN TO RALLIES.
THE UAW FOLKS, I MEAN, THIS IS
LIKE WHAT F.D.R. DID, YOU KNOW,
PICKING PEOPLE UP.
THEY'RE GOING TO REMEMBER THIS
FOR A LONG TIME, AND OBAMA IS
THEIR GUY COME HELL OR HIGH
>> LET'S GET TO THE THIRD TOPIC.
THE U.S. SENATE RACE CONTINUED
ALONG THIS WEEK.
NOW IT'S REALLY OVERSHADOWED BY
THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE AND THE
HURRICANE COVERAGE FROM THE EAST
COAST, THE LATEST REAL CLEAR
POLITICS AVERAGE OF POLLS SHOWS
SHERIFF DUNN MAINTAINING HIS
SMALL BUT MEASURABLE LEAD OVER
JOSH MANDEL.
THE COLUMN BUSINESS DISPATCH HAD
NEVER EVER ENDORSED SHERIFF
BROWN FOR ANYTHING.
>> SUPPORTED WITH THE DECIDING
VOTE ON OBAMA CARE, WHICH THE
PEOPLE THEN -- THEY WERE ALL
ABLE TO DO THAT.
YOU DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THAT
>> I GOT IT.
>> HE WAS TOO.
>> THE PEOPLE THEN REJECTED AND
HE SAYS, OH, BUT THEY DON'T
REALLY UNDERSTAND IT.
HE DOESN'T PAY HIS TAXES.
NOT ONCE BUT TWICE.
THE GUY HAS TOTALLY LOST TOUCH
OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IN OHIO.
THAT'S WHY HE IS AT BARELY 50%.
>> THE INDEPENDENT FACT CHECKER
POLITIFACT HAVE RATED HIS CLAIMS
PANTS ON FIRE MORE THAN ANY
OTHER CANDIDATE.
HE IS THE PANTS ON FIRE KING.
IT'S NOT THE DEMOCRATS WHO ARE
CALLING JOSH MANDEL A LIAR.
IT IS THE REFEREES IN THE
>> THE POLIFACTS PEOPLE THAT ARE
POLITICAL --
LIBERAL AND DO THIS TO ALL THE
REPUBLICANS, SO, PLEASE, SANDY,
DON'T USE THAT.
>> BROWN HAS PANTS ON FIRE
OCCASIONALLY TOO.
>> BUT JOSH LEADS THE LIST.
>> FIRST OF ALL, THE EDITORIAL,
TO DO WITH IT.
OUR FACT CHECKING HAS CALLED
JOSH MANDEL ON SEVERAL CLAIMS
TOO, AND NOT JUST IN ADS.
IN PERSONAL ENCOUNTERS WITH ONE
OF OUR REPORTERS IN AN ELEVATOR
THAT WAS VIDEOTAPED AND HAD AN
INDEPENDENT WEDNESDAY, AND
MR. MANDEL CHOSE TO DENY WHAT
YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE IN FRONT
OF YOUR EYES.
BROWN IS THE SAINT HERE AND HE
AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING SENATOR
IS THE SINNER, BUT --
>> THE OUTSIDE MONEY NUMBERS ARE
JOSH MANDEL HAS SPENT $6 MILLION
ON TV ADS.
A LOT OF MONEY.
THE OUTSIDE GROUPS IN SUPPORT OF
HIM OR HIS SIDE HAVE SPENT TWICE
THAT, $12 MILLION SUPPORTING
JOSH MANDEL.
IS THAT -- IS THAT A GOOD THING?
>> WE HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH IN
THIS COUNTRY, MIKE.
>> YEAH.
>> AND THE U.S. SUPREME COURT
SAYS THESE INDIVIDUALS AND THESE
ENTITIES CAN DO THIS.
>> IS IT A GOOD THING MANY.
>> THE MORE DISCOURSE YOU CAN
HAVE ABOUT THESE RACES, THE
BETTER IT IS.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW
ALL THIS INFORMATION.
PEOPLE AREN'T LIKE US.
WE'RE NOT NORMAL.
WE GET INTO THIS STUFF, AND WE
GET INTO IT WITH ALL THE LITTLE
DETAILS.
THE NORMAL PERSON DOESN'T REALLY
FOCUS ON CAMPAIGNS UNTIL MAYBE A
WEEK BEFORE THE ELECTION.
MAYBE.
>> THE DISCOURSE ISN'T THE
PROBLEM.
IT'S NOT KNOWING WHO IS DOING
THE TALKING IS THE PROBLEM, AND
THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN AN ISSUE WHEN
IT COMES TO CAMPAIGN FINANCE
IS WHAT DO WE DO?
ISSUES, AND THAT SORT OF THING
WE LOOK AT THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE
REPORTS TO SEE WHO GAVE WHAT AND
WHERE THEY'RE FROM.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
THAT'S WHAT WE CAN'T KNOW ABOUT
THE SUPER PACTS THAT ARE
CONTRIBUTING HUNDREDS OF
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS NOW.
>> YEAH.
SUPER PACTS DO HAVE TO FILE.
IT'S A 501C.
THE SUPPOSED SOCIAL WELFARE
GROUPS, WHOSE SOCIAL WELFARE
SEEMS TO BE LOCATING ONE
CANDIDATE OR ANOTHER.
BOB, I THOUGHT YOU WERE MAYBE A
VOICE FOR DISCLOSURE FROM BACK
IN THE DAY.
>> I'M FOR, YEAH, FOR WHATEVER
IT TAKES.
THE COURT SAYS YOU DON'T HAVE
TO, SO, I MEAN, BOTH SIDES DO IT
TOO.
I MEAN, THIS IS JUST PART OF
THIS IS THE WAY IT WORKS.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> THE PRESIDENT WAS AGAINST IT,
BUT THEN HE WAS FOR IT, SO
THAT'S ANOTHER THING.
I GUESS --
>> SO IS REDISTRICT REEG FORM.
>> CITIZENS UNITED WAS A
CONTROVERSIAL DECISION, BUT THIS
RACE WILL BE THE POSTER CHILD
FOR CITIZEN UNITED, THE
MANDEL-BROWN RACE.
DO WE SEE LAWMAKERS LOOKING AT
THIS AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS
ISN'T WHAT WE WANT?
>> I THOUGHT JOHN McCAIN MADE AN
INTERESTING COMMENT WHEN HE WAS
IN OHIO AND THEY ASKED HIM ABOUT
ALL THE OUTSIDE MONEY IN THE
MANDEL RACE, AND HE SAID IT WAS
A SCANDAL WAITING TO HAPPEN.
THE CITIZENS UNITED RULING
OVERTURNED KEY PARTS OF
McCAIN-FINE GOLD, WHICH IS AN
IMPORTANT REFORM HE GOT BEHIND,
SO HAVING SOMEBODY LIKE JOHN
McCAIN SAID THAT I THOUGHT WAS
PRETTY MEANINGFUL.
>> DO YOU SEE IT COMING BACK
MAYBE MORE DISCLOSURE,
LIMITING --
>> I THINK TO DO THIS DON'T AS
YOU HAVE TO GO CONSTITUTIONAL
AMENT ROUTE TO FORCE THAT OR
>> I DON'T KNOW.
NOT?
I DON'T KNOW.
>> PROBABLY -- THE SUPREME COURT
HAS RULES.
>> I DON'T THINK WE CAN PLAY AN
ATTORNEY ON TV.
>> SUPREME COURT IS GENERALLY
UPHELD DISCLOSURE REQUIREMENTS,
BUT THE HARD PART IS NONPROFITS
DON'T HAVE TO DISCLOSE, AND MOST
PEOPLE ARE THINKING OF THE RED
CROSS OR WHATEVER.
THEY ARE NOT SOME SECRETIVE
POLITICAL OPERATION.
>> I DO WANT TO PREDICT THAT IF
BOB EVER RUNS FOR OFFICE, I'M
GOING TO GET THAT QUOTE.
WE ARE NOT NORMAL.
>> ON ELECTION NIGHT YOU WILL
ANYWAY --
HEAR OVER AND OVER AGAIN THE
PHRASE IT'S TOO CLOSE TO CALL.
AS REPORTERS AND NETWORKS TRY TO
FIGURE OUT WHO WILL WIN OHIO AND
OTHER SWING STATES, BUT WHAT IF
AT THE END OF THE NIGHT IT IS
STILL TOO CLOSE TO CALL?
THEN IT COMES DOWN TO
PROVISIONAL BALLOTS AND A
POSSIBLE RECOUNT, AND NO DOUBT
LEGAL CHALLENGES.
HERE'S HOW IT COULD PLAY OUT.
STEP ONE, THE PROVISIONAL
BATTLES ARE FIRST VALIDATED AND
THEN COUNTED.
THAT TAKES TEN DAYS.
THEN THEY CANVAS THE OTHER
THEY CHECK THE MACHINES, CHECK
THE AB IS NOTEE BALLOTS.
THAT TAKES ANOTHER TEN DAYS, AND
THEN THERE'S THE RECOUNT IF ONE
PERSON ONLY WINS BY A QUARTER OF
A PERCENT OR LESS.
>> THERE ARE OTHER CHANCES OF
THAT HAPPENING?
>> PROBABLY PRETTY SLIM.
PROBABLY IT WILL BE ABOUT THE
SAME IF YOU ASK IF OHIO IS
UNDEFEATED THIS YEAR.
MIKE, THIS ELECTION IS REALLY
THREE ELECTIONS IN ONE.
YOU HAVE THE EARLY VOTING PERIOD
THAT WE'RE IN NOW.
I THINK ALL INDICATIONS ARE
OBAMA IS GOING TO WIN THAT.
HE WON HANDILY FOUR YEARS AGO.
HE MAYBE NOT TO THE EXTENT HE
WANTED, BUT IS HE GOING TO WIN.
THERE'S THE ELECTION -- ROMNEY
WILL WIN THAT, AND THEN THERE'S
THE PROVISIONAL VOTE WHICH IS
REALLY UP IN THE AIR.
PROBABLY GOING TO FAVOR OBAMA,
SO ADD THOSE THREE TOGETHER AND
THOUGH.
SEE WHERE WE ARE.
ELECTION NIGHT, KEET WILL BE HOW
CLOSE IT IS.
KEN BLACK, GOD LOVE HIM, HE
>> SECRETARY OF STATE.
WAS --
>> YES.
YES.
AND IT'S AN OUTCOME THAT WAS
WITHIN THE MARGIN OF LITIGATION.
AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS,
PROBABLY THOUSANDS OF LAWYERS,
YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT THEIR
BILLABLE HOUR MACHINE JUST READY
TO GO.
>> THE PROVISIONAL BALANCE --
THIS YEAR THE SECRETARY OF STATE
MAILED OUT ABSENTEE BALLOT
APPLICATIONS TO EVERYBODY.
MANY PEOPLE RETURNED THEM, BUT
THE PROBLEM IS IF YOU DECIDE
AFTER YOU HAVE RETURNED THAT
APPLICATION TO VOTE, WELL, YOU
KNOW WHAT, I'M GOING VET ON
ELECTION DAY, THOSE FOLKS ARE
GOING TO VOTE PROVISIONALLY.
ARE THERE A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE
OUT THERE?
>> I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF
PEOPLE LIKE THAT OUT THERE.
I THINK THE SECRETARY OF STATE
HAS TRIED TO GET THAT NUMBER
DOWN.
YOU THINK HE REALIZE THAT IS YOU
ELECTION WITH, YOU KNOW,
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
PROVISIONAL BALLOTS, WHICH HAS
HAPPENED HERE IN OHIO IN THE
PAST.
>> AS OF LATE THIS WEEK THERE
WERE ABOUT 30% OF THE ABSENTEE
MAILED BALLOTS TILL OUT THERE,
WHICH -- THAT WAS PROBABLY LIKE
AS OF WEDNESDAY, WHICH IS A WEEK
BEFORE THE ELECTION.
THAT'S NOT BAD RSH THERE'S STILL
A LOT OF VOTES OUT THERE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK, SANDY?
>> I HOPE NOT FOR YOUR SAKE.
I'M LOOKING AT A LOT OF THESE
STATES WHERE IT'S SUPPOSEDLY
IN ALMOST ALL OF THEM, SO I
DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE
NATIONALLY AS CLOSE AS PEOPLE
THINK, AND I THINK HE IS WELL
POSITIONED TO WIN THE ELECTORAL
VOTE.
>> I THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT
WHAT WE'RE REALLY ALL THINKING
ABOUT IS 2000 AND THAT HORRIBLE
NIGHTMARE, AND I WAS TALKING TO
AN INTERN THE OTHER DAY, AND WE
WERE TALKING ABOUT HANGING
CHADS, APPROXIMATE SHE JUST GAVE
ME THE BLANK LOOK, AND I SAID
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HANGING
CHADS ARE, AND -- NO.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A
NIGHTMARE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
ALL AFRAID OF, BUT IN THE END WE
LEARNED A LOT ABOUT HOW OUR
SYSTEM OPERATES FROM 2000, AND I
HOPE WE'VE MADE A LOT OF
IMPROVEMENTS SINCE THEN, SO
WE'LL SEE IF THEY WORK.
>> WE'LL GET TO OUR FINAL OFF
THE RECORD COMMENTS, OUR PARTING
SHOTS.
SANDY, YOU'RE UP FIRST.
>> THAT LANGUAGE FOR ISSUE TWO
WHICH IS THE REDISTRICTING
REFORM IS VERY LONG AND SOMEWHAT
THE STATE ISSUES ARE ON THE
BALLOT FIRST.
THE LOCAL ISSUES ARE ON THE
BALLOT NEXT.
WE HEARD A LOT OF CONCERNS
MAINLY FROM SENIOR CITIZENS THAT
THE SENIOR 11'S ARE SO FAR DOWN
ON THE BALLOT THAT PEOPLE ARE
GOING TO FORGET TO GO THERE.
I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU HOW TO
VOTE ON THE LOCAL LEVIES, BUT
PLEASE GO DOWN THE BALLOT AND
SEE WHAT YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT
IN YOUR LOCAL COMMUNITY.
>> BOB.
NATIONALLY ROMNEY 50-48.
HERE IN OHIO I WOULD GUESS THE
MARGIN FOR HIM WILL BE SOMEWHERE
BETWEEN 2.5 AND 3 POINTS.
>> ROMNEY WINCE THE ELECTORAL
COLLEGE?
>> YES, BECAUSE HE WINS OHIO.
>> IF THERE IS LITIGATION
FOLLOWING ELECTION, ONE OF THE
FIRST ISSUES I THINK IS GOING TO
BE WHETHER THE PROVISIONAL
BALLOTS ARE PUBLIC OR NOT.
BOTH CANDIDATES, THAT WAS ALMOST
LITIGATED IN KILROY'S RACE A FEW
YEARS AGO.
THAT COULD BE UGLY, BECAUSE ONCE
THOSE NAMES GET OUT THERE
PROVISIONAL VOTERS, BOTH
CAMPAIGNS WILL GO AFTER THE ONES
THEY THINK ARE IN THEIR CAMP.
>> APPARENTLY STORMS LIKE SANDY
ARE GOING TO BECOME MORE
FREQUENT AND EVEN WORSE.
WE SAW UP TO SIX MILLION
HOUSEHOLDS RADIO EMERGE AS AN
UNEXPECTED WINNER HAVE NEVER
SHUT DOWN IN SOME OF THE
THERE WAS A HUGE WIN FOR THEM,
AND I'M PREDICTING GOING FORWARD
THAT RADIO IS GOING TO, YOU
KNOW, GET ITS CHOPS BACK AND GET
SOME OF THE RESPECT THAT IT
DESERVES.
>> THE LIGHTS GO OUT, THEN YOU
TURN TO RADIO.
>> I HAVE A NEW iPHONE, SO I'M
GOING TO ASK SIRI WHO IS GOING
TO WIN.
>> WHO WINS THE OHIO ELECTION,
OBAMA OR ROMNEY?
>> CHECKING MY SOURCES.
GO TO THE WEB FOR WHO WINS THE
OHIO ELECTION, OBAMA OR ROMNEY?
>> CHECK IT ON THE WEB.
ALL YOUR ANSWERS ON THE WEB.
THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID.
>> NEXT WEEK, WE'LL HAVE THE
ANSWERS HOPEFULLY BEFORE
MIDNIGHT.
WE'LL AIR -- WE'LL START OUR
COVERAGE WITH A SPECIAL COLUMBUS
ON THE RECORD.
ELECTION NIGHT 2012.
SANDY AND BOB WILL JOIN ME TO
KICK OFF THE PBS NEWS HOUR
COVERAGE OF THE ELECTION.
OUR COVERAGE ON TV BEGINS AT
7:30.
WE ALSO HAVE COMPLETE COVERAGE
ON 89.7 NPR NEWS STARTING WITH
ANN FISHER AT 7:00, AND ON
PLENTY OF COLLECTION COVERAGE ON
WOSU.
THAT IS COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD
FOR THIS WEEK.
FOR OUR PANEL AND CREW HERE AT
WOSU, HAVE A GOOD WEEK, AND
VOTE.
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