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MSNBC IS SET TO HOST A TOWN HALL, A GOP
TOWN HALL AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN PRETAPED. NOW, EVEN THOUGH THE
PUBLIC HAS NOT SEEN THE CONTENT OF THAT TOWN HALL QUITE YET, WE
DO HAVE SOME NEWS COMING OUT OF THIS PRETAPED EVENT. IN FACT,
THE NEWS IS LEAKING TO A LOT OF CONTROVERSIAL NEWS STORIES.
APPARENTLY WHILE CHRIS MATTHEWS WAS TALKING TO DONALD TRUMP, THE
ISSUE OF ABORTION CAME UP AND DONALD TRUMP HAD SOME STRONG
STATEMENTS TO MAKE ABOUT WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN TO WOMEN SHOULD
THEY GET AN ABORTION IN THE UNITED STATES IF ABORTION WAS
OUTLAWED. SO AT THE TAPING OF AN MSNBC TOWNHALL TO BE AIRED
WEDNESDAY EVENING, THE HOST PRESSED TRUMP ON HIS ANTIABORTION
POSITION REPEATEDLY ASKING HIM WHETHER ABORTION SHOULD BE
PUNISHED BY LAW. THIS IS SOMETHING YOU CAN DODGE.
DONALD TRUMP RESPONDED WITH, "WELL, PEOPLE IN CERTAIN
PARTS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS,
WOULD SAY YES.î
HE CONTINUED TO SAY, "I WOULD SAY IT'S A VERY
SERIOUS PROBLEM AND IT'S A PROBLEM WE HAVE TO DECIDE ON.
ARE YOU GOING TO SEND THEM TO JAIL?î
AND CHRIS MATTHEWS LOOKED AT HIM AND SAID, "I'M
ASKING YOU." AND HE SAYS, "I AM PRO-LIFE." ASKED HOW A BAN
WOULD ACTUALLY WORK, TRUMP SAID, "WELL, YOU GO BACK TO THE
POSITION LIKE THEY HAD WHERE THEY WOULD PERHAPS GO TO
ILLEGAL PLACES BUT WE HAVE TO BAN IT." ALL RIGHT, HE ALSO SAYS
ìTHERE HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF PUNISHMENT FOR THE WOMEN?î
MATTHEWS ASKED, AND TRUMP SAID, ìYES.î OF COURSE IS THIS LED TO A
NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND PLANNED PARENTHOOD
AND OTHER PRO-CHOICE ORGANIZATIONS COMING FORWARD AND
SAYING, ìREALLY, YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE AGE IN AMERICA
WHERE WE ARE PUNISHING WOMEN FOR GETTING ABORTIONS?
BUT THE REALITY IS THAT IN SOME RED STATES INCLUDING MISSISSIPPI
ALREADY ARE PUNISHING WOMEN FOR
MISCARRYING OR DELIVERING A STILLBORN. WHAT THEY DO IS PASS
FETAL HARM LAWS THAT ALLOW PEOPLE TO INVESTIGATE THE PAST
HISTORIES OF THESE WOMEN SHOULD THEY MISCARRY OR HAVE A
STILLBORN AND IF THE WOMAN EVER HAD A HISTORY OF DRUG ABUSE, SHE
COULD BE PROSECUTED FOR ALLEGEDLY MURDERING AN UNBORN
BABY. THAT'S THE WAY THAT THEY WORD IT. SO WE ALREADY HAVE SOME
INSANE LAWS PERTAINING TO WOMEN, TRUMP WILL JUST MAKE IT WORSE.
I FEEL LIKE WE'RE DEVOLVING.
EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE MADE GREAT STRIDES WHEN IT COMES TO
WOMEN'S RIGHTS AND YESWE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO, BUT HEARING THIS MAKES
MY BLOOD BOIL.
I JUST LOVE WHEN OLD, WHITE DUDES TELL ME WHAT I NEED TO
DO WITH MY BODY.
MY BODY.
AND AS IF THE PAIN AND ANGUISH ISN'T ENOUGH WHEN A WOMAN
HAS TO MAKE THE HARD DECISION TO HAVE AN ABORTION, RIGHT
NOW, SHE HAS TO BE JAILED FOR IT.
ARE YOU SERIOUS?
I FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN THE TWILIGHT ZONE OR IN A TIME
CAPSULE GOING BACK TO THE 1950S.
YOU CAN DISAGREE. YOU CAN SAY LISTEN, I AM PRO-LIFE.
I CAN SAY I AM PRO-CHOICE AND WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE BUT
AS SOON AS YOU TELL ME WHAT I CAN DO WITH MY BODY, THAT
IS WHEN WE HAVE AN ISSUE.
AGAIN THIS IS COMING FROM THE PARTY THAT THEY CLAIMS THEY ARE
FOR SMALL GOVERNMENT. THEY ARE ONLY FOR SMALL GOVERNMENT WHEN
IT COMES TO REGULATING CORPORATIONS AND TAXING WEALTHY
PEOPLE, BUT THEY ARE NOT FOR SMALL GOVERNMENT WHEN IT
COMES TO YOUR PERSONAL LIFE OR PERSONAL CHOICES, WHETHER
IT'S THE TYPES OF DRUGS YOU WANT TO USE, THE TYPE OF SEX YOU
WANT TO HAVE, THE TYPE OF MARRIAGE YOU WANT TO HAVE.
THEY WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN EVERY LITTLE MINUTE DETAIL
OF YOUR PERSONAL LIFE AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.
LET ME PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE. I AM PRO-CHOICE. I LOVE
WOMEN AND I HAVE A SON. I AM ALL ABOUT IT. WHEN I READ THIS AND I
SAW THE VIDEO, IN THE CONTEXT THAT CHRIS MATTHEWS
WAS GOING AT A HARD, HE WAS BAITING HIM TO SAY THAT.
THEY SAID SHOULD IT BE BANNED?
IT'S NOT BANNED. THEY WANTED HIM TO SAY SOMETHING.
THEY WANTED IT TO BE POLARIZING AND THEY WANTED US TO TALK
ABOUT EXACTLY HOW -- THEY WANTED THIS PUBLICITY FOR THE TOWNHALL.
HE BAITED HIM INTO SAYING THAT.
IF THEY CREATE ANY LAW, YOU SHOULD BE PUNISHED
FOR BREAKING IT.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP SAID IT ñ
AND I AM NOT OF TRUMP SUPPORTER BY ANY MEANS.
I THINK WE MADE THAT CLEAR.
THANK GOD.
THAT'S WHY I AM PLAYING DEVILS ADVOCATE BECAUSE I READ
IT AND I THOUGHT THAT TRUMP IS AN *** BUT THEN I WENT LOOKED
AT IT AND THEY WERE TRYING TO GET THEM TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING.
IT MIGHT READ AS THAT BUT FIRST OF ALL, DO I THINK
MSNBC WOULD PUT THIS OUT IN ORDER TO GET SOME EYEBALLS
ON THE TOWNHALL TONIGHT?
ABSOLUTELY. THERE'S DEFINITELY PUBLICITY ANGLE TO THAT AND I
THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CREDIBILITY TO YOUR ARGUMENT,
BUT THERE IS A BIG ISSUE WITH REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES REFUSING
TO ANSWER QUESTIONS DURING DEBATES IN TOWNHALL. WE COVERED
A TOWNHALL YESTERDAY. TED CRUZ DODGED EVERY SINGLE QUESTION
ANDERSON COOPER I ASKED HIM. SO DID TRUMP. HE ANSWERED SOME OF THE
QUESTIONS BUT IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ANYONE TO GET TRUMP TO MAKE
SPECIFIC STATEMENTS. HEíS VERY VAUGE WHEN HE MAKES A STATEMENT. WELL,
I AM VERY CRITICAL OF CHRIS MATTHEWS, SO IT'S NOT LIKE I'M
RUNNING AROUND GIVING HIM CREDIT ALL THE TIME, BUT DO I
BLAME HIM FOR ASKING AS MANY FOLLOW-UPS AS HE DID AND
TRYING TO GET A SPECIFIC ANSWER FROM TRUMP?
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE RUNNING TO BE OUR PRESIDENT,
YOU BETTER BE PREPARED TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.
YOU BETTER BE PREPARED TO FACE JOURNALISTS AND A LOT OF
THEM HAVE BEEN PLAYING SOFTBALL WITH THEM.
IF THEY ARE NOT PREPARED TO ANSWER THOSE HARD QUESTIONS
AND IF THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR POLICIES, THEY HAVE NO
BUSINESS BEING UP IN THE FIRST PLACE.
WHAT HE SHOULD OF SAID IS, IF IT IS BANNED, FIRST OF ALL, I
WOULD NOT BAN IT. OR TAKE A POSITION ON IT.
BUT JUST FOR THE SENSE OF THE BLACK AND WHITE OF WHAT IT IS,
HE WAS BAITED INTO IT.
CHRIS MATTHEWS WAS A BULLDOG WITH HIM AND EVERYONE GOT
THE RESPONSE THEY WANTED.
NOW AN EXTRA MILLION PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE TUNED IN
JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED TODAY.