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MATTHEW OGDEN: Good evening. My name is Matthew Ogden, and I
would like to welcome all of you viewing this webcast tonight to
our weekly broadcast on larouchepac.com. It's Friday, January
3rd, 2014. You're joining us for our weekly webcast tonight, in
which Mr. Lyndon LaRouche has a chance to address the nation, and
address the world. Joining me in the studio tonight is Cody Jones
from the LaRouche PAC Research Team, and we will be posing a
series of questions, which Mr. LaRouche will be responding to.
Now, the first question that I have for tonight is a
question that comes from a contact within institutional circles,
and the question reads as follows: "Mr. LaRouche, we would like your appraisal
of the state of the U.S. economy over the next several years.
As of December 28th, 1.4 million Americans lost their extended
unemployment benefits, leaving them without any source
of income. This number will greatly increase in the next several
months, unless Congress and the President reinstate the extended benefits.
The Obama Administration has failed miserably to create
any new real jobs. A majority of the so-called "new jobs" created
since Obama came into office are either part-time or temporary.
Looking from the standpoint of the entire working-age population,
as opposed to the Bureau of Labor Statistics' labor-force
measure, real unemployment is well over 25%. In short, these
are depression conditions. How do you see the U.S. economy
in the remainder of the Obama second term in office, and what
options are there to foster genuine economic growth?"
LYNDON LAROUCHE: There will never be a survival of the
United States within the nominal term of Obama's Presidency. What
you have, is you have many people--for example, probably 60% of
the voters in the United States are opposed to Obama, and wish he
would go away. The problem is, they're terrified. And Snowden's
case tells you partly a good illustration of what the fear is.
So, therefore, they {hate} Obama. But many people hated
Hitler--and remember that. The ability of Hitler to do what he
did, did not depend upon the issue of a majority of what people
thought they wanted to see. They {gave in} to Hitler, under a
{reign of terror}, and the history of that is well-known to some
of us, even of your age. So, therefore we have to eliminate all these
cheerful things, and trying to put a cheerful note,
and talk about a possible solution. There {is}, and {are} solutions,
but none of them are being put forthcoming, {now}. You
have something in Germany which may {tend} to be a break-out.
What's the situation? We're not going to have, under Obama,
continued under the present policy, Obama will not be the
President of the United States. He is on the end of this thing.
He's unimportant! This is not an election campaign. The election
campaign was made a long time ago, when people came in with the
green policy. It came in, actually, with the ouster of Bismarck,
because when Bismarck was kicked out, {from that moment on} the
world in general, especially the trans-Atlantic region, has been
engaged in off-again, on-again continuation of {world war}.
That's what the truth has been. Just think of the history. Very shortly: How
do wars start? Well, the war that we're talking about started
with the assassination of the President of France.
Then it came to another one. And then you had the war involving China,
Japan, and so forth. It kept coming, and coming, and coming.
And then, in 1914, the Guns of August, we had a {world} war.
But it didn't {end} there! There was a peace of a certain kind;
it was {temporary}. The United States shot back, with President
Kennedy, later, as they had done earlier, but all these things
{didn't stop}. For example, Kennedy's success, boosted by Eleanor
Roosevelt, actually turned the tide in a certain direction.
When the tide began to turn, they killed him! They murdered
him! and tried to cover up the assassination, and did fairly
successfully. What happened then? On the successful execution
of President Kennedy, we had a war start in Indochina.
For the first couple of years, it was considered a war. After that,
it was a called a drug ***. And the drug *** then took over
the United States. And if you want to take from the time that
Kennedy was assassinated, within that very period, {since
that time}, the United States and its population has been
degenerating intellectually and morally. And that's the
present condition today.
Now, this condition is leading to what? What's on the table
now? Genocide: possibly human {extinction} within a matter--it
could come in a matter of weeks now, or it could come in a longer
period of time. We're on the edge of a thermonuclear war.
Now, a thermonuclear war is nothing to compare with what had
happened in the earlier wars--World War I, World War II. These
were minor events compared to what's about to happen {right now}.
And it's being pushed. Look at the line-up! You have the
trans-Atlantic region. Now, the trans-Atlantic as a whole is now
in a process of accelerated rates of degeneration. The United
States is now economically hopelessly and socially degenerating,
and the rate of degeneration is going to accelerate. Everything
you thought was bad in recent experience is going to become much
worse, and very quickly. It could become {very} quickly.
Now, in the meantime you've got war looking around. You have
a line-up of powers. First of all, you have the trans-Atlantic
region is the concentration of one side of a world power. The
core of that thing is the British Empire, the Anglo-Dutch Empire,
headed up nominally by the Queen. The Queen's intention has
been--as she has made public since the Copenhagen conference--her
intention has been to reduce the human population from 7 billion
persons, which it had been approaching just recently, is now in a
process of accelerated rate of {decline}. And in the case of the
United States, in the case of {most} countries in western and
central Europe, {most} countries, most of this world is
accelerating: it's dying. Portugal, Spain. France is now in the
process of collapsing, degenerating. It's going, too. Southern
Italy. The Greek population. The only part of the western
European, or western and central European part which has an
option in that region, is Germany, and they're fussing around on
that issue right now. Germany is inclined to disengage itself
from the rest of western Europe, because the rest of western
Europe is {dying}--expect for the Anglo-Dutch region, which ain't
doing too good in terms of their economy there. All right, now you've got another part of
the world. Let's call it the Eurasian part of the world. We
have to call it Eurasian because it includes Russia and nations
associated with it. And it goes all the way to the Pacific
Ocean. This is the {Eurasian} part of the world. The Eurasian
part of the world, except for certain areas that we know about
in the Near East and so forth, and from the Uyghurs and people
like that, the entirety of this Eurasian region, as an entirety, with
the dominant forces within it, is actually on the way {up}. It
has been increasing its technological power and capabilities.
The Moon landing! Now, we've discussed that here, and in our
own discussions in other places. The Moon landing, the latest
one, goes to the question of Helium-3: thermonuclear fusion. And
that means that suddenly we have a major power, China, which has
a major capability, which is not merely a tickle of the type the
United States did on the Moon before. This is a really serious
business. They set up an operation, for an {extended} operation
into space, and for other kinds of things. And they are working
what had been known before as a Helium-3 potential of the Moon.
If they exploit the Helium-3 in the Moon, {suddenly} China and
nations cooperating with it are going to have a source of {power}
available to them which would be a revolution--a planetary
revolution. On that basis, mankind would get its feet out of the
ditches of Earth itself. Because once you do that, once you go to
a Helium-3 operation, milking the Sun regularly to get more
Helium-3, and using that, which is an equivalent of what we've
wanted to do here on Earth. If we do that, then you have a source for
high-speed--really high-speed, relative to anything we've done
now--to moving around inside the area of the Solar System where
we're close to, such as Mars. I mean, the area with Mars and so forth,
that area becomes open to us. Then the natural tendency, the
natural ability of mankind, as our potential, will now begin
to take over, not just sitting on Earth and grunting and groaning
about what's going on, but actually mankind not {living} out of Earth,
but actually {controlling} things out of Earth, such as
some of these asteroids. And we will {use} them--we'll not
only defense ourselves against them, we'll use them.
So, therefore mankind will be moving {off} the surface of
the Earth, {not} where he lives--though some of that may
occur--but in terms of what mankind is able to reach and control,
and {develop} for the benefit of mankind. And also we'll begin to
get more worried about building up the Solar System. We'll begin
to think about the long-term question of: Can we maintain the
Solar System, which has been in a long period of {decline} over
the recent times? Mars has collapsed because the Sun was running
down. That's why it collapsed. The {Moon} collapsed; it has been
collapsing, because the {Sun} was running down.
So, therefore, our developing--not only utilizing, but
{developing}--these resources like Helium-3 into a higher form of
organization, mankind will become able, or enable if he chooses
to do so, to actually take action against the continuing decline
of a Sun which about to go {dead} in about 2 billion years, or
something like that, and then go into an explosion which ends
everything. So, therefore we have before us, we have to
have a different perspective than the poor idiots who are whimpering
and whining about this and that. Because this is where
we're going. Now, in this context, what's the military
situation? The trans-Atlantic region is building up for a
war, a thermonuclear war in the early future. The intention of
that war, as the Queen of England's actions since Denmark and subsequently,
is committed to the accelerated extermination of the human
population to the degree of probably 1 billion people might
be lucky to survive--or {unlucky} enough to survive under those conditions.
So, therefore, the option-- The whole process here, look at
it! What is the hatred against human beings? What's the nature of
it? What's the expression of that? It's the green policy! This
was done by the Roman Empire and other forms of these kinds of
people: to reduce the population, that is, to have a small
oligarchy which dominates the planet, or parts of the planet, and
kill off the excess population, which is the rest of the people.
This is what the Queen's policy is, and that is what she {says}
it is. So, who's the key? Well, the key of this is
the Anglo-Dutch system. The center of this whole operation
that I just talked about, is the Anglo-Dutch initiative, which
is really an empire which dominates--directly and indirectly combined--dominates
the world, not only in its physical practice,
but in its cultural extension: the {greenie} policy. How many
greenies are there in the United States and in Europe? They're all
brainwashed. They're condemned to extinction by the things they
believe. This is what happened to the Roman Empire.
The Roman oligarchy got tired of trying to feed all
these people, and began mass-killing them with experiments like in
the arenas, and in the killing of the Christians. The mass-killing
of the Christians was largely an extinction process. And then Rome
as such collapsed; the Roman Empire collapsed upon itself. The
remnants exist, and the wealthy Romans picked up their property,
their jewels and so forth, moved up to the northern part of the
Adriatic, sat around there in the mud for a while, and then became
known as Venetians. Well, this is the new meaning for "Venetian
blind," and we have a lot of people who are Venetian blinds in that
sense! So, this is what we're up against. We're up
against a phenomenon which is not uncommon in human
history, and that is in {known} human history. And the story of Prometheus,
as against Zeus, is a {real} story, it's a true story,
but it represents the typification of the kind of policy which we
are faced with right now. The determination is, which is centered
in expression in the Anglo-Dutch Empire, which is not limited to
the British and the Dutch: It's global. Australia! Most of Africa,
the Middle East, the Saudi Kingdom, for example. These are
all extension of this Empire, which is comparable in its intention
to be something like the Roman Empire was.
So, we've had, in human history, we've had periods of
large-scale extinction caused by an oligarchical tendency in some
population, which goes out to {kill} people in the way that the
people of Troy were extinguished. They weren't just killed, they
were {extinguished}! And that's what we're looking at now.
Now, go back to the strategic issue again. What's the
reality? The greatest power in the world, right now, lies in the
Eurasian area. Why? {It is growing.} There are some parts that
aren't growing. But China is growing. Russia is growing--it's
reversed its population collapse. Other parts are growing. We now
have a coalition emerging in Eurasia, which is not totally
unified, but a very powerful part is there. The economy of that
area of the world is improving. The policy of the trans-Atlantic
region stinks, it's dying, at an accelerating rate. As you know
now, after January 1st of this year, that the death rate in this
United States is going to accelerate immediately, unless we stop
it. That's the key part of the story. But part
of the answer to the question that was posed to us is, if we
don't have the guts to throw a crooked, evil President out of
office to save the United States, {that's} the problem. Forget
all this thing about the coming several years, how things are going
to work out. There're not going to be a couple, several
years, unless we change things.
Now we have, as I say, about 60% of the eligible voters in
the United States have a rather strong and increasing inkling
toward having this guy go away, in the very near future, that's
their desire. But at the same time that this development is
occurring, what you have is the process in which the enemy, which
includes our President, who's the enemy of the people of the
United States, his policies are the enemy of the survival of the
United States. Look at his frauds, look at his fraud on his
health-care fraud--he's literally killing people {en masse}, and
they're sitting there, whining, but saying, "We have to work with
this, we have to live with this guy." And the others are saying,
"I hate him." And some are saying, "Let's get rid of him."
So that's what the situation is. This is the reality. The
idea of trying to explain things by some little explanation, and
some source that tells you this fact and that fact--this is
nonsense! We're talking of a process which has been long known in
the human species, in the human populations, have been engaging
in these kinds of things, with an oligarchical movement killing
off those who are of lesser power. And that's what's happening again. The Queen
has made it plain. Her intention, and she has written
it, and her husband has written it, others have written it; the Greenie
movement {entirely} is part of that. Every Greenie
that exists, pushing the Green policy, is actually an enemy of
the human species, in just exactly that way. And why are we suffering
in the United States? The {Green policy} killed us. The
Greenie policy is what poisoned the United States.
The people of the United States as they're born are becoming
dumber and dumber and dumber, and worse than dumber, generation
by generation--we call them successful {de}generations. Their
education stinks. Education in the schools today in the United
States virtually does not exist. There's a certain kind of show,
manipulation, and cheap old show. But brain change? Brain
development? Mind development? No, it doesn't exist. It's getting
worse and worse and worse. And together with that degeneration of
our young people in California, for example, with their thumb
game--they're {insane}! They're not just dumb -- they {are}
dumb--but their dumbness takes a quality of insanity with this
thumb and related business. The education system which produces
this thumb-on-thumb is part of the degeneration. So therefore the problem is, what do we do
practically? That's the question. You take all of these
considerations which I've summarized. What do we do practically?
We've got to reverse the education policy. We've got to reverse
the Green policy--we've got to eliminate the Green policy.
Without eliminating the Green policy, the United States
can't exist. And most of Europe can't exist. Whole nations
of Europe are about to disintegrate, disappear from the map.
And how can you stop it? Well, you have one factor. We have
a factor in the Eurasian region, including Russia, China, and so
forth; a number of powerful nations who are coming together, and
forming an aggregation, not as an empire, but as a coalition.
Their intention is growth. Their intention is typified by what
China did, in landing on the Moon. And when you look a little
closer at what is included in the features of that landing, you
see here's a nation which has picked up on something as a
mission, which could be the salvation of the United States, if we
would join in it. There is no good reason for a war at this
time in the world, no good reason. If you think the thermonuclear
and related power, which can be assembled for a war of nearly
most of the world, when you think of in terms of the thermonuclear
and related capabilities, of military forces of the opposing
forces from the trans-Atlantic and the Eurasian area, the
possibility of extinction of the human species is sitting
right before us. The problem here is--what's the problem? We
have people who are like the poor guys, who didn't have the
authority. They know they were being, as they say, "screwed," and
worse and worse and worse. They know they're losing their jobs,
they're losing their health care, they're losing their education,
they're losing their relations with everybody. They're being destroyed.
They know it, and they {hate} it, more and more. But what
are they doing to act, to free themselves of that problem? And
that's what's lacking.
Now what happens is, what's a typical person say, that knows
this, that hates these guys, increasingly, but really doesn't act
effectively in any way? What's the problem? "Well, I know you're
right, but I'm not going to say anything about it, I'm not going
to do anything about it, because I've to take care of myself, my
opportunities, my family, and so forth. Therefore, I'm not going
to resist, I'm going to protest." And will protesting, under
those conditions, stop a thermonuclear war? No.
So the problem is, lies essentially with the man in the
street in the United States. Because if the United States were to
throw this bum, this so-called President, out of office, there
would be a change in the ability of the typical citizen, to begin
to begin to act to force a change in policy. Now the typical
citizen does not want to have a part of a thermonuclear war. But
what he's going to say is, "I hope it doesn't happen." But this
has to be {made} not to happen. And this requires that the
people--I know these American people, I'm very familiar with
them, over a longer period of time than most of you--and I know
them. They have these feelings, a typical American tends to have
a generally good tendency somewhere in them, about what they
think the future should be. They think in terms of, you know,
coming generations. They think that their children should somehow
be better off or at least more secure, and have opportunities.
And they know all this. And they {hate} it, because they're
accepting that being taken away from them. And from that comes
the question of the ability of a small crew of dirty, evil thugs
who seized as happened--right after Kennedy's, after the
President's death. People caved in, they took it. People who had
been at war, who had been warriors in a victorious war, caved in.
And we divided the American people against those who were
kissing the butt of one class of people, a smaller number, and
doing everything against the really vital interest and future
interest of the majority of our people. And that's the weakness,
because of the corruption which has occurred with bad Presidents
of the United States, with drug dealers, and simply with these
characters on Wall Street. We tolerate these people, we allow
them to subordinate our people, crush them, cheat them, loot
them, kill them through the effects of what they do, and {we can
do nothing} for our cause, the cause of the human species, the
common interests of the American people in particular.
And that's what I say. The greatest danger to us, because I
know what the American people could do {if they would throw Obama
out of office}, and that's the only way that I see that the world
can survive, avoid a thermonuclear war: If the American people
were to throw Obama out of office, given the lack of popularity,
estimating maybe running into 60% of our citizens, voting
citizens, we could stop this. We would not allow the war to
start! And if the United States would not start the war, it
couldn't be pulled off! And that, I think, is the only reality to
think about on this issue.
OGDEN: Last week, we emphasized the significance of the
initiation of the Eurasian integration with this now-emerging
Eurasian economic union, which is being established for the
mutual benefit of all of the nations involved. But since our
webcast last Friday, there's been an explosion literally, of
terror attacks against Russia on Russian soil. Most especially,
as people very well know, there were two fatal suicide bombings
within the span of two days in Volgograd, which is formerly known
as Stalingrad, which killed over 30 people and wounded around
100. And since then, many people have recalled the implicit
threats that Saudi intelligence head Prince Bandar made to Putin
over the summer, in which Bandar attempted to extort Putin into a
compromise over Syria, in exchange for a mafia-boss style
guarantee for protection of the Sochi Olympics against Chechen
terrorism. And of course, Putin refused to be strong-armed by
Bandar. But immediately after these bombings, the
Russian Foreign Ministry issued a statement saying, "We shall
not retreat, but continue our tough and consistent battle with
a crafty enemy who knows no borders, and can only be stopped
by joint efforts. The criminal attacks in Volgograd, like the terrorist
attacks in the U.S.A., as in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan,
Nigeria, and other countries, are organized on the same model,
and inspired from the same quarters."
And additionally Kirill Benediktov, who's a regular
columnist for {Izvestia} and an editor of the {Terra America}
publication, who has interviewed you, identified Saudi Arabia by
name, and stated that what we're seeing with these attacks is a
"Wahhabite fifth column" that's being deployed to destabilize
Russia. Now, I'd like to point out, these attacks
are obviously coming in a much broader context. In the United
States, you have had a very concerted effort now underway,
to force the declassification of the 28 pages of the 9/11
Joint Inquiry Report that reportedly prove direct Saudi involvement
in financing and supporting the 9/11 attacks against the United
States. And in China, we're seeing, as you referenced
earlier, a rise in Saudi-supported Uyghur terror attacks
against, directly, the Xi Jinping government, including a direct
attack on Tiananmen Square right before the Third Plenum.
So you can see that actually, all three of these countries,
Russia, China, {and} the United States have actually been victims
of the same irregular warfare operation, come from the exact same
sources, and there are several individuals now speaking out on
this, saying that we must work together against a common threat,
including a congressman today from New York, Michael Grimm, who's
the co-chair of the Russia Caucus, who warns that any failure by
the United States to cooperate with Putin in this regard, could
lead to a "new Benghazi" on Russian soil. And you also have a major article today in
Italy's {Il Giornale} newspaper, making a similar point,
called "The Twin Towers Are in Moscow."
Now, really, what I want to do with this question is put
something on the record and then ask you to elaborate on it. I
would point people's attention, to a television program that you,
Mr. LaRouche produced in 1999, fifteen years ago, now, called
"Storm Over Asia." [http://larouchepac.com/node/21709] And in
that program you said the following. You said: What you're seeing is a war in the North Caucasus
region of southern Russia. ... This war, if continued,
using mercenaries, can lead to nuclear general war. The major
powers principally threatened today by this mercenary operation,
are two of the world's largest nations: China and India,
[and] most notably Russia. If these nations are pushed to the
wall by a continuing escalation of a war which is modelled on the
wars which the British ran against Russia, China, and so
forth, during the Nineteenth Century and early Twentieth Century,
this will lead to the point that Russia has to make the decision
to accept the disintegration of Russia as a nation, or to
resort to the means it has, to exact terrible penalties on those
who are attacking it, going closer and closer to the source,
the forces behind the mercenaries...." And you continued by saying,
"If Russia is pushed to the wall, or decides to disintegrate
willfully, or fight back--the likely thing is, it will fight
back. It will use the weapons it has ... to impose a powerful,
deadly deterrent on the nations behind the mercenary forces which
are presently attacking it. Therein lies the danger."
So, I would like to ask you to elaborate on that warning
that you are on the recording, making 15 years ago, about the
endgame of this process being thermonuclear war.
LAROUCHE: Well, as some people know, I made that forecast, I
organized it, in Germany, around Helga and around friends of ours
there. And I was there, sort of as a hospitalized case, or
quasi-hospitalized case from a very thorough, shall I say,
rehabilitation, back to life. And but the point was, how could I do this?
Well, I was essentially--let's put it this way, to make
it simple. Most human beings are capable potentially of forecasting
the future, future events. However, in our society, the typical
citizen, for example, of the United States will say, "Well,
no one could know what's going to happen. No one could predict
what's going to happen." Well, what I did was make a prediction
based a response to some evidence, and the importance of the
event as you referred to it, is precisely that that was the beginning
of the whole process. And as you said, this is what the
implication is to understand what's happening now. What happened
15 years, was the origin of what is happening now! At least
I knew it as that way. But the problem is, we live in a society,
and this goes to this Zeus problem, the point is that the average
citizen in the world, in what we know of most cultures, the
oligarchical system as it's called, has dominated the planet in
most areas for as long as we know. And this is the Zeus question.
And therefore, most people in society, who are educated in
our own schools and so forth, in our colleges and our
universities, do something which most people don't recognize but
if they understood what the educational system has been--now we
don't have an educational system, we have a crap-house--but when
we had an educational system, the basis for public education and
university education, was that the university, or similar kinds
of institutions, or government, would prescribe what are the
principles, as if scientific principles, what are these
principles which must govern what the student must believe. The
student and the professor, as well, are all conditioned to go
through a college process, or something like it, and to be
trained to rehears in a "quote-after-me" attitude. The student is
graded successful, get an A or B standard, if they give the right
answers that are demanded by the system of education. Therefore,
what you have, is you have a general population, and this goes
right to the Zeus versus Prometheus issue: The Zeus people obey.
They accept the education of the master. And therefore, they
grade themselves, and are graded, on the basis of their ability
to conform to a predetermined schedule, which is often totally
contrary to truth. The effect of that kind of education makes
these people {stupid}. They may not be called stupid. They
may not look like stupid people, but I know they're stupid,
because I know what this educational pattern means. There are
very few people, sometimes called geniuses, you know, great
discoverers, like Einstein, Max Planck, so forth; Nicholas of
Cusa's another example of this kind of thing. And you had
great people as scientific discoverers, who overturned the
crap, that most people in educational systems, were conditioned to
believe, and their grades and their promotions depended upon
going through that nonsense. So therefore, there were very few
people in society, who really have what we might call an independent
intellectual authority.
The average person will tell you, and argue with you, "Well,
you couldn't know what the future is. You couldn't know that's
going to happen." But I did, and often. Not that frequently,
because nobody does that. There are very few instant geniuses
running around, from my knowledge of the world. I'm just a minor
one in this case, but I'm active at it. And therefore, that's the
issue. Most of the people who have been educated,
who believe they're educated, who believe their Professors
So-and-so and So-and-so, really are so indoctrinated with
this doctrine, that they don't realize they're being stupefied!
Therefore, they can do things they're trained to do, they're able
to play games they're trained to play! And therefore, they
play the games they're trained to play, whether it's football,
baseball, or mathematics. [laughter] And thus, that's the
problem. So, some of us, some of them are scientific
geniuses, like Einstein or Max Planck and so forth; others
have the same quality of insight. That's why my whole career, all
my successes in terms of science and so forth were based on this,
on knowing that what is taught which is supposed to stuff down
your something-or-other, is {crap}. And that what
you have to do, is you have to actually understand--if you look
at the history of mankind: Mankind is a very special kind of
creature. We know of no other creature existing, which is comparable
to mankind. The human species is the only species, which starts
out as eating a cooked meal, which they cooked, or something
like that. And proceeding from that, by finding out higher
and higher ways, sort like an evolutionary, an intellectually evolutionary
way, they rise to higher and higher levels of behavior.
And that's the history of mankind.
As I often refer to case of chemistry. You take, not the
crap chemistry, but the real chemistry. What does chemistry teach
you? It teaches you that the human species goes from a lower
energy flux density, in terms of its capability, than before. And
that's the nature of the human being. That's how we got to all
the higher energy flux density capabilities which are
characteristic of the progress of the human species, from being
some poor lout, sitting down, still in a cave someplace, and what
we achieve by mankind today. So what happens is, the few people who do
create, who do think in terms of creativity, who don't simply
depend upon what they're taught to do and taught to believe,
but actually make discoveries of what they {should} believe.
And it's the discovery of what you {should} believe and should {come}
to believe, which is proper basis for mankind and mankind's
culture. And you see it, in terms of chemistry. You look at the
chemistry, because what's the difference? {Mankind's mind} created
organizations of matter, in such a way that mankind was able
to increase the productive powers of labor and to raise mankind
from a low level, almost like a poor animal, to raise mankind
from a higher level into societies, which have the great scientific
achievements which have made the human {existence}, as
we know it today, possible!
So it's the relatively few people, out of the total
population, in the history of mankind, who actually have been
creative, and who break with the common opinion, and go outside
the common opinion! And that's where we get creativity, is from
the people who actually {do} make discoveries. They don't do deductive action. Creativity
never comes from deduction, and what is taught in most schools
is mathematics. And mathematics is useful in some ways, if you
don't let it take you over. But if it takes you over, you become
{stupid}. And this is what the problem is: We have a
population which is victimized, by a culture, a dictated culture,
a pre-shaped culture, which suppresses the ability, the
unique ability of the human specimen, to actually make discoveries.
Like the small or large degree of actually scientific discoveries,
where you actually make a discovery of a principle--you
don't deduce something. You actually realize there's something
{missing}, in the way you think about society. And you realize
that that something missing, is available for you, and
you're attracted to it. And you make a discovery! And that's how
mankind advances. The problem is, the process of brainwashing,
which is what is happening in the school systems today,
and in the universities as well, they become {worse and worse} now.
Therefore, the people become more and more stupid, that is, less
capable even of understanding the experiences, their parents
and grandparents had had respectively. That's what's happened.
So our problem is, we have to recognize that {that} is the
problem. And you have to count on leaders, who actually have a
truly creative outlook, the ability to discover what the future
is, as like making any principle of science in discovery, same
thing. The practical man is a useless man, when it comes to
actually defending the requirements of progress. The practical
man is useful only to the extent that he's able to adapt to what
he is already capable of knowing, or being trained to do. The
creative person goes beyond {learning}; the creative person
{creates}. And therefore, since we have to deal with
the fact, that we have this problem in society, we have a limited
proportion of the population which is actually able to get free
of this whole training program, this preconditioning program
sort of thing, and actually rely upon the yearning to discover
the truth: The thing that carried man from the caves into his greatest
scientific achievements. And that's the issue. That has
to be our policy. Our policy is to understand this problem,
and to get people who have creativity, or who are at least able
to respond to the stimulus of creativity, and bring them on
as the inspirers of much of the rest of the population. Because
most of the rest of the population is not capable, on their account,
of doing what is needed. But they will respond to something
which is presented to them, once they have {discovered it} because
somebody helped them discover it!
And what we have to do, is don't try to capitulate to the
opinions of people out there. Their opinions are already making
{prisoners} of them, and prisoners of a terrible type. Therefore,
you have to have the people who lead, who are leaders, who are
discoverers, and turn them loose and educate and inform the rest
of the population, just like when we used to have jobs, good
jobs, in manufacturing for example, or scientifically related
kinds of jobs. The point is, you'd go into a job, say, in a
factory, a high-grade factory, where technology is there; and you
have a few people in there, who are the drivers of that factory,
or that operation, and those few people become the leaders, the
true leaders, or the actual scientific leaders. So it's their
scientific role, in conveying scientific progress to the people
who are employed in this factory, like a GE factory or something
like that. So you have people who are skilled, who want to be
skilled, who are responsive to education, responsive to the
experience of education, who are led by a few people who actually
capable of opening up the minds of these people to a discovery.
They can't make the discovery themselves, they can not generate
it themselves, but they can be {led} to making the discovery! And
what you need is leadership, which inspires the average human
being in our society, to actually begin to learn, what they can
learn from those who are actually making these creative
contributions, to what man's capabilities, and related
capabilities must be. And that's the only way, I think, you can
actually make a practical, actually practical indication of
how we might be able to save humanity.
CREIGHTON JONES: Okay, Lyn, so this next question will call
upon your powers as the world's leading physical economist. And
it pertains to something you mentioned earlier, which is the
mining of the Moon of Helium-3. Now, as Harrison Schmitt, who was
an astronaut on Apollo 17, recently said, the Chinese have made
no secret of the fact, that part of their intention of going to
the Moon is for the mining of Helium-3. And the father of the
Chinese space program himself has said, that that is part of the
intention, along with a broader idea of industrializing the Moon.
Now, the question that this often raises is, well, what is
the value of going to the Moon for Helium-3. And if you look at
it now, really, one of the only uses for Helium-3, which is a
useful use, is for enhancing MRI imaging for lung scans. But
beyond that, it's still a potential energy source, but the
technology doesn't yet exist, and of course, there's {plenty} of
energy sources, many would say. So, what really is the value, of putting all
this effort, all this money, all this what-have-you, into
sending something to the Moon, to mine it for this Helium-3? How
do you, as a physical economist, as someone with insight into what
really the true nature of man is, understand this idea of
value, and how should we understand the value of the current landing
on the Moon on behalf of the Chinese?
LAROUCHE: Well, the simplest evidence to give you, in answer
to what you said, is the issue of what happened to thermonuclear
fusion, in the early part of the 1970s and beyond? What happened?
We have never actually moved to install that technology. We've
had preliminary approaches toward the outskirts of that effort,
but we never did it? Why didn't we do it? {Because it wasn't
allowed!} Because the Green policy had dominated, and everything
has been done to destroy the creative powers of mankind in
respect to physical science, and even to medicine, as you know
right now. Right? So the policy is to kill people, to lower
the numbers of people, and maybe, by accident, extinguish
the whole human species. That's what's on! The Queen of England
has {led}, with her policy, which went on since the Copenhagen
events, openly stating the intention to reduce the human
population from about 7 billion people to less than 1, which has now
become {her explicit intention} and that of her husband; and also,
the whole Anglo-Dutch leadership crowd of the oligarchy.
They've always been in that direction.
So therefore, you have to say--what's the problem? {You've
got to resist and break the power of these guys!} But you can not
do that effectively. We have the Eurasian area, we have people
who are moving. What China's doing with this Helium-3 program,
actually, as they've already made it clear: You're taking the
flow of Helium-3, which is one of the most effective, so-called
"natural sources" of this higher grade of power that we are
denied in the United States and Europe today. So, we want that
power. And if we get that power, we'll use it! And then mankind
will be able to deal with many problems, be able to do, which he
can not do now: We can not save mankind on Earth from becoming
extinct, because some asteroid hits us! Because some asteroid
hits us, and instead of just killing most of us, kills {all} of
us, the whole species. Why do we have that threat? Because,
where's the thermonuclear fusion? With thermonuclear fusion, we
would have access to the kind of technology necessary to deal
with this. So therefore, the question is, and everyone
knows it in this room, and elsewhere, similarly, the point
is, the United States has a Green policy! Wall Street has a Green
policy! And Wall Street's policy is a mass-murderous policy!
If you allow Wall Street to continue to function, you're going
to kill human beings, {en masse}!
That's already happening, with the policies of Obama on
health care: Obama is engaged in mass-*** of Americans. That's
what he's doing. That's the inevitable {effect} of what he's
doing, therefore, he or his accomplices, are intending to do
that. And they even talking about it, about the "kill ratio."
So therefore, that's the problem. And you have to look at
things in that way. Mankind, yes, we have problems: The Sun is
running down, and the estimates are that, you know, within about
2 billion years, the Sun will one day, twinkle, twinkle, down,
down, down, and {boop!} Blow up! And the whole Solar System
disappears. So therefore, the issue is, are we capable,
and man should be capable, of moving in a way, where we reverse
this. And what do we do with Helium-3? Well, Helium-3 is
something produced by the Sun. Now, by using something that's produced
by the Sun, how are we going to actually gain against the
problem of the threatened long-term decline of the Sun? We
have to use Helium-3 and other modalities of relevance, we use
these things to reverse the decline within the Solar System. We have
to do some engineering on improving the life-expectancy
of the Sun. That's an example of it. And you have to get the
{idea} of doing that, in this case: What China has demonstrated
by making a very clear policy on this, on this thermonuclear fusion.
And that shows us what's wrong, that China came up with the
right answer: What's the United States school system doing,
lately?
ODGEN: Okay. I want to thank you, very much Lyn. That's
going to bring a conclusion to our broadcast for tonight. And
thank you, Cody, for your contribution. Please stay tuned: 2014
is only beginning. That's a conclusion, thank you. Good night.