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slavery to the last straw
and that is contrary to script for where jesus city in revelation one a I am helpful
and no media the beginning and the incident the lord which he is and what which was which
is to come
all
mine too
under that definition there's no way that that subordinate second person can be the
almighty
you cannot say in my household
even I do believe they have husband is the leader of the family I'm not sure I would
talk about support nation
in that same since
but you cannot say my wife is the only in the family
you can't say jesus said
the ropes without due process becomes become a sofa father to war with the army he do with
the works
and so in the spirit
jesus he is the all right
in the issue of life in the world he was all be deep into debt
and that's in the sense of subordination is his humanity
his up holding cell debt
but it is eternal essence
if he supported to some other person
but he cannot be the only thing
faster than our this %uh questions directed towards you
that yesterday after
and he went off the air the comment was made that
the belief in one not baptism in jesus name been filling the holy ghost had originated
in the early nineteen hundreds
and we understand that that was actually trended parents that it got the revelation
but could you give us the information
it's best that you can
on that who coined the phrase trinity and when the train attendant doctrine
really started because they're seems to be a misconception that it started originally
the actual work wanted to use for got the Latin word for the Thomas
was used first doctor to lead in a really eighty two hundred
the phrase three persons the first three person said one substance was first used by actor
to win
%uh so you have at least a hundred years after the last wider of the new testament
before anyone begin to speak of got as green
fortunes
all throughout history you've had
but berry is concepts of God but if you go back to of course we believe the bible clearly
reveals the wonders of God
so that's where it comes from
you can go back to the old testament not defined as someone can might say
oh well we find the trinity hinted here watching this is one twenty six but it doesn't say
reports doesn't say trinity
does a father son and holy ghost
you have thousands of years old and spark scripture that there's there's one got
and the masai with colin what we got
but you have seen red square sure
it says
there are are three persons in the copy of the first time in recorded history
did you have there's one guy was at the bottom of the first time the masai will be got that's
in the bible
but the first time we have two or three persons in the guardian
is eighty two hundred later
now would you say that if I was making my hero from churches street
aren't you might have a valid point however did not make my view from churches tree I
made my view from the structures themselves for the speak for themselves
yes it could
the understanding that
you have to treat it easy that you believe that the father and the son and the holy ghost
the believe they have
our share power the sector
well there when this is right from the fact that all for your call
its own
they all
it would be a perfect unity of mind and spirit and it will
and that would include power
and the father is gone
the sun is jesus
so this guy and
jesus is this
as is
so when jesus is twenty eight
all
ifty to be had her
that's all
so as a God that he would handle power but remember that that was a position that
yes it got bad has also have in human nature that was a position that was given to him
by the father himself he was sex all that
all the tapes
that's a I agree with that answer
but notice
is the father giving that many board of Mary
investing all power in him it's not the father giving you need for a second person his power
to a subordinate second person but it's
jesus as that may increase the being the sole undivided power
of the guardian in his
the preterm clinic got
coming in the flesh
investing all his power in the flight
okay
i'd like to ask you
do you believe that all believers will that
the way Gates a got my father in this on our watch
will is you're referring to John seventeen I would say
not yes
two persons of the trinity or what
but in the sense that jesus as a million
submitted perfectly to God it was united in fellowship with God
that is the model for all believers
to be in fellowship of got in with each other
can you explain that first twenty and twenty one
of John seventeen
%uh seventeen to twenty and twenty one
okay Tony term here and take a look at it
interestingly if this was talking about the trinity
you have the implication that the levers that the
Justice but one as the trinity
so there you have my premium down here being just as one as the trinity which I think
he is our said he does not accept that
so you can't explain these forces from
as referring to the cotton gin you can only explain that is referring to them and christ
jesus relationship with God
so from that perspective first twenty
the to play out for diesel over for them also which I believe will be through their work
but they are only be one is now father are going to be find the that they also the D
one S
but the world we believe that thomas's the
so just as jesus that mean
says from got on a mission
has fellowship with already gone
so we are to succeed to have fellowship we've got a battleship with one another in a perfect
since
now that is not all that
one is with God means this is speaking of course is a million
but injunction thirty
you have award is that trend since
about humanity releases honor my father Paul one
and then John fourteen if you see me you've seen the father and I can say
this is the that are awarded and a sense of unity like christ of the end was whipped up
but I can't say if you see me you've seen that mean
even with my wife we become one place that I can't say he's seen the you see my wife
so jesus also spoke and other passages about one this
that transcended
the witness were talking about in Johnson city
and I was at the comment by
repeating what he just said
got since
the man
christ jesus into the world
that denotes at least two persons
I have got a quote by Richard rubin who lived in one sixteen
and allow me to read it
%uh he was not an apologist and delusion
and we define that there are two the father and the son and three with the holy spirit
and this number is made by the pattern of salvation which brings out you about unity
in trinity
the lady that three
the father the son and the holy spirit
they are three not and dignity but in degree
not in substance than four
not in power but in time
they are of one substance of power because there is one guy
from whom these degrees forms and has devolved in the name of the father the sun
the holy spirit
and and I have a quote from origin
they can you please point is that church father's you've got
and that
did you
I've got did review of got was
things change over a hundred thirty years
%uh for to him was born about haiti would succeed but the writings referred to work
eighty two hundred later
that's a good example if you recall so greedy elsewhere in his writings against taxes
where he said that majority
believers
always
I will not call them support network but
they do not understand my doctrine of the trinity community they think
that my doctor designs
of the rule of faith and analyze the scriptures
and so in the same breath that he said no I believe the treaty he said
most of my contemporaries believers
disagree with me they think about compromising the witness about
to julianne four to read a farce rioters states the contributor to the so that's the key
the two hundred or two about eighty to twenty to twenty five
did you get the century before that
you don't find those kind of things
you find some
meanings that direction like with justin but you probably want to play we have
because he put jesus
that's not really the truth out but just as a lesser got and he was not clear at all what
we saw the holy ghost the
he said the holy ghost of a million jobs have the same day trip
so before you go back
the less you see the concept of the treaty
if you read the writings of the nation's he would say jesus christ are got
with no explanation all well he's a second person
so what yes I would say
in a hundred years hundred thirty five years there was a gradual she up
not among the best way to file
esther to read and that's the best way to follow did not be accepted
it took another hundred years before that would happen
but if you think that's unreasonable supposedly hundred thirty five years it could be that