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We're going to take a walk to the disturbing dark
side of Darwin in this special edition
of Genesis Week.
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We are going to depart from our standard show
format today, in fact we will depart from our
standard format for two special episodes. We are
going to venture into areas which I know that my
evolutionary friends do not like to venture into.
To be honest, I do not like to discuss the things
we are about the discuss either! But it is
sadly important.
The anti creationists will vehemently try to deny
the connections we are about to reveal, and in
fact, they will attempt to twist around these dark
issues in a convoluted attempt to blame the
Christians and Creationists.
We are going to visit the dark side of Darwinism.
We will reveal and examine the negative impact this
theory has on everything from social issues, to
proper medical and scientific research.
I want to be very clear to evolutionary friends: I
am not saying that believing in evolution makes one
evil. On the contrary, it is the human heart which
is inherently evil, not a person's particular
worldview. There have been many attrocities carried
out in the name of Christ for example. That has
nothing to do with whether or not the Christian
faith is righteous or correct. People will use any
excuse at hand to justify wicked deeds.
But as Richard Weaver once said, "Ideas have
consequences." So just what are the consequences of
Darwin's idea? What are the consequences of
Creationary and Christian ideas?
If a person goes on a shooting rampage, and claims
that Jesus Christ told them to do it, they would
find difficulty justifying their claim, seeing as
how Christ certainly did not lead with
such an example, and Jesus even taught to "turn the
other cheek" when someone strikes you. However, if
evolution and survival of the fittest is true, then
such a person can easily justify their actions -
after all, it is only "survival of the fittest." We
are only animals - and whether or not an animal
uses tooth and claw to kill another animal, or if
that animal uses a gun to kill, what difference
does it make? Within the Darwinian paradigm, how is
mass *** then wrong? Your worldview has
consequences. The truth about creation or
evolution has consequences.
If you think that my connection is a stretch, then
you should be reminded, or informed, of precisely
what mass murderers have said. Eric Harris and
Derek Klebold went on a shooting rampage at
Columbine high school in 1999. Eric was wearing a
shirt with big bold letters spelling out the motto
of Darwin: "Natural selection" On his website, he
had written the words
In 2007, Pekka-Eric Auvinen went on a shooting
rampage at a high school in Finland. Again, he was
quite clear about his reasoning on his YouTube
channel and various blogs, with unambiguous
language referring to evolutionism, and its
conclusions:
And if evolution is a fact and true, you would hard
pressed to argue with their reasoning. Because your
arguments would be without foundation. These are
the ultimate conclusions of the process
of evolution.
The notorious mass murderer and cannibal, Jeffrey
Dahmer said in an interview with Dateline NBC:
But mass murderers aside, an evolutionary worldview
probably affects you, personally, in ways you did
not even comprehend.
To shed light in this disturbingly dark area, I am
privileged to have several guests join me today.
Joseph Vaillancourt is a licensed minister with the
Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada, a developmental
service worker working with Christian Horizons, and
the founder of enABLE Faith Ministries in Toronto,
a ministry reaching out to those of the disabled
community to foster their involvement within the
Christian community and in ministry. He joins me
via skype from Toronto.
Dr. Jerry Bergman's curriculum vitae would be far
too long to list here, but he has 9 degrees in
everything from biology to psychology, two of those
degrees are a Phd. He is the author of the book
"The Dark Side of Darwin," and is himself a former
atheist now turned young earth creationist and
Christian. He has taught multiple disciplines at
the college level and joins me by
telephone from Ohio.
Paul Gosselin is an independent researcher
specializing in ideologies,
belief systems and religion and holds a Masters
degree in Social Anthropology. He is author of the
two volume series that I think was just so
excellently entitled "Flight from the Absolute." He
joins us via skype from Quebec City.
Joseph I would like to start with you:
What is Eugenics?
Eugenics is the self-direction of human evolution.
The goal is to remove unwanted genetic information,
in order to create a more perfect race, if you
well. It's a very old idea, Plato talked about it
in his "Republic," as well as the laws of Plato -
there is the idea of a superior race is there,
Plato was quite dismayed at the fact that he had to
create laws for those they deemed the superior
race, which would be usually the people who
belonged to his community who saw themselves as
children of the gods. So the "children of the gods"
were supposed to be the "perfect race," shouldn't
have to have laws, so he was kind of dismayed about
that. They also had a concept of "physionomics,"
it's the study of bodily or outer characteristics
to discover inner characteristics, temperament and
character, uh, basically, according to Amos Young
whose quoted definition I'm using here, they looked
at human beings and based on where they lived in
the world, what race they were, how they looked -
whether they were short, tall, blind, deaf, or if
they had a disfigurement. It was supposed to
symbolize some sort of character or spiritual
problem in their lives, uh some of this still kind
of lingers, and you see that a lot in Darwinism and
people who are influenced by Darwinism will have
that -even though they may not realize that's where
this is coming from. For example; Reverend Oscar
Bishop, or Tommy Douglas, which most Canadians will
know is the founder of our personal health care
system, they were heavy eugenics people, and uh
Oscar Bishop for example, he won a contest in 1928,
he won a contest that was sponsored by the Eugenics
society in the United States - they did these every
year, and they got published in the Eugenics
magazines. And he - Oscar Bishop, he actually said
- this is from his sermon that was in the contest,
he said
- so not even a Biblical
foundation was his interest, he was heavily
involved with the Unions, and some of the groups he
was involved with were known to be violent,
although his church didn't always approve, his
church in Chicago was called the "Plymouth
Presbyterian," and he knew they didn't always
support him, but he kept going on what he believed
was right. They believed in socialized medicine,
socialized Christianity, or Christian socialism if
you will, and uh, again it was the idea that only
those who were without blemish; those who fit the
"cookie cutter"should be allowed to continue. They
advocated for laws that would prevent unwanted
people from reproducing through sterilization. Uh,
vasectomy was developed with this in mind, they
perfected it while experimenting on people with
disabilities. Uh, one of the more disturbing pieces
of evidence that I discovered in my research had to
do with a postcard that the government of Louisiana
sent out to families telling them if they had
epilepsy, that they should report to the prisons
or, basically they would wind up in jail because
basically it was a crime to have a disability. Uh,
they didn't want people who were different to be in
public; the assumption was that if you had a
disability of any kind, or if you did not belong to
the "right" group of people, you were more likely
to break the laws.
Kind of sounds like Platos "laws" right? and the
whole "gods" thing, the gods can do no wrong, but
everyone else can - they even stratified crime; so
that the more evolved you were, the more
sophisticated your crimes would be. The less
evolved, the more petty. Even among those they
deemed to be "evolved," they stratified it, and of
course, they were always the top. We know that in
world war II, eugenics was used in the "final
solution." 250,000 people with down's syndrome were
murdered under Hitler's regime, and of course
millions of Jews - all because of Hitler's desire
for a perfect race. These people, uh, Darwinism
through Eugenics influenced social policy,
medicine, uh our concept of beauty - it was the -
again the Presbyterians, they started baby contests
to look for..what was "scientifically" beautiful.
Right.
Francis Galton, the father of Eugenics and Charles
Darwin's cousin was pretty clear about the
connection with evolutionism in his biography:
-Science, falsely so called I might add. The
connection is pretty apparent.
But Eugenics is just a thing of the past, is it
not? We're in the modern age now.
I would like to say that it is, but we actually
know that it is not. Sun news network was reporting
on the United Nations and the agenda 21 which is
sustainable development, which it comes again,
according to Sun news, out of socialism - European
socialism if you will. And what I've read of it,
and I have a lot more work to do in this area, but
what it seems to me again it's about controlling
population and limiting where people can live, and
freedoms and a lot of Eugenics rules - and it
sounds like a lot of Eugenics rules of the last
century. They too wanted everything to be
controlled by a few, and control our lives as much
as possible, to create that "perfect race." I guess
that take that "iron sharpens iron" a
little seriously. haha.
For me, the influence it had on the church is
disturbing, because the church changed the way it
did things, in my opinion. Oscar Bishop and Tommy
Douglas were not the only thinkers of the day, they
changed the way we do health care, they changed the
way we do schooling to fit this. Even the Roman
Catholics had their own internal debate, they're
the largest Christian church in the world per se,
Joseph Myer in the journal of heredity, in 1934 for
example, talked about supporting Eugenics,
according to the journal his tentative conclusion
was that "selective sterilization for eugenics
purposes, properly administered, was entirely in
accord with judicious principles of Roman Catholic
religion." and that was on page 23 of the journal,
but even the Pope in 1932 even rescinded it, but
not entirely, he allowed eugenics for "therapy
reasons" only, doesn't sound kind of like the
abortionists debate today?
Uh huh.
Dr. Bergman, you married Darwinian evolution with
the Jewish holocaust where many have desperately
tried to divorce them. Now I know you're not
supposed to judge a book by its cover, but I
thought your most recent book title says it all:
"Hitler and the Darwinian Worldview: How the Nazi
eugenic crusade for a superior race caused the
greatest holocaust in world history"
What do you mean in your title that the Darwinian
Worldview was connected with Eugenics and
the holocaust?
Well, mainly in Nazi Germany - and OTHER places -
several in fact, the communist nations, many of
them as well, the motivation for the Jewish
holocaust, and not just the Jewish holocaust I
should mention, but also the holocaust against
OTHER groups, such as the Gypsies, Slovaks - and
Slovaks includes Russians, Poles, and other groups,
so it's quite beyond the Jews. But the reason they
were motivated to destroy or at least reduce the
number of these races was based on Darwin - and
this is not just my idea, but this is well
documented - and in fact in my book, "Hitler and
the Darwinian Worldview," I have almost a thousand
references. But an excellent film on this is called
"Science and the Swastika" - it's four hours long,
so I'll warn you, but extremely well done - I could
not have done a better job myself. And they
interviewed many of the leading scholars in this
area. Also the American United States holocaust
memorial museum published a book called "deadly
medicine: creating the master race" which
unequivocally documents the major motivation behind
the Nazi movement, as well as Hitler himself, was,
as they say, to "create a master race." And to do
that they relied heavily upon Darwin and Darwin's
ideas, and of course formulated by his
cousin, Galton.
Okay, we're gonna pause there for just a moment as
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Welcome back to Genesis Week. Just before our
commercial break, we were talking about eugenics
with Joseph Vaillancourt from enABLE faith
ministries,, Dr. Jerry Bergman and Paul Gosselin.
Paul, I'd like to pick things back up with you.
You're a social anthropolgist, we were discussing
the social repercussions of Darwinian evolutionism.
One defensive response from evolutionists is that
early 20th century eugenics and the Nazi Holocaust
were in fact “abuses” of Darwinism. What do you
think of that?
Okay, um. Now, the eugenics and the holocaust in
particular, caused a huge marketing crisis for
Darwinists in the 21st century.
>>haha that's one way to put it.
>>Ya, basically, because here were attempts by the
western elites to actually apply Darwinism to
society! And of course it went rather wrong! And
this caused a huge cultural shock. And so one of
the strategies that Darwinists had was to cut this
link - to break this link so that people wouldn't
figure things out. And this is why you get such
ridiculous statements such as those made by Richard
Dawkins in - he did an interview on Australian
Broadcasting Corporation a few years ago, in 2000,
and he said
Now, that is rather astounding, and I'll..it's
rather typical of evolutionists after world war 2 -
you wouldn't - you would never have seen any
evolutionists at or before world war 2 saying
anything like that. They thought that the idea of
applying evolution to the real societies would just
be the normal thing to do.
Now about the "abuse" argument. If you look at
Evolution as an origins myth, as I do in Flight
from the absolute, volume 2, which is coming out
this summer, then this exposes some rather
interesting issues. Most religions have a sacred
text, which is then used as the standard for
behaviour and beliefs, allows one to distinguish
between “orthodoxy” and “heresy”. With
Christians is the Bible, with Muslims, there’s
the Koran, with Mormons the writings of Joseph
Smith. But the problem is that when it comes to
Darwinists there is no agreed upon sacred text. Of
couse, Darwin’s Origin still has symbolic value
for Darwinists, but these days no one reads it,
except perhaps Darwin biographers, but no one else
reads it, it isn't considered current or uh, so
there is then no sacred text expressly telling
Darwinists how they should apply (or not)
Darwin’s views. So basically what this means is
that when Darwinists make loud noises about such
and such a Darwinist that has “abused Darwin”,
they are making entirely bogus and empty claims.
They have no basis at all for excommunicating
anyone. The real issue is that these so-called
abusers have produced a marketing crisis.
It's a marketing issue, there's no basis for making
any claims about abuses of Darwin.
It's interesting we're all discussing this this
week, as I had a friend make this poster that was
so perfect and to the very point we're making:
"Darwinism: Everyone supports the THEORY, but
complains about the PRACTICE." It's true! Thank you
to Simon Wellington for this timely poster.
Now for many viewers, this program will be the
first time they've ever heard of Eugenics, but it
wasn't happening in some far-off, distant land like
Germany and Russia - but right here in
North America.
Joseph, you were the one who called the Buck Vs.
Bell case to my attention: This was a US supreme
court case over forced sterilization performed on
Americans in California because of the eugenics
movement. The supreme court concluded that it was
LEGAL for the state for sterilize people. Judge
Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr said it was "... to
prevent [society from] being swamped with
incompetence." Such statements are just screaming
for a rejoinder, but I'll refrain for now and
simply point out that that supreme court decision
still stands TODAY. It's never been rescinded.
Just the past couple of weeks there has been
multiple stories in the news about compensation for
those sterilized in the Eugenics movement:
All in all, there was some 33 states that
participated in eugenics - forced sterilization
being the predominant action.
Now, we're out of time here, but we're going to
continue this discussion next week, and Joe, I want
to start next week's show with you and the Buck vs.
Bell case.
So, thank you gentlemen for being on the show
today, I know the viewers will appreciate this very
much, so thank you.
You can visit Joseph's facebook page for EnABLE
faith ministry at facebook.com/enablefaithministry
You can get a copy of Paul's thick and excellent
book "Flight from the Absolute", Volume 1 from
Amazon.com, and Volume II is due out this summer.
And Dr. Bergman has several books related to the
subject which are available on Amazon, such as "the
Dark Side of Darwin: exploring Darwin's troubled
mind," as well as his highly disturbing and
enlightening "Hitler and the Darwinian Worldview"
where he methodically documents how Darwinian
evolution influenced the attrocities of the
holocaust.
Thanks for joining us, I'm your host Ian Juby,
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