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former n_y_p_d_ investigator
thomas ruskin
it's a very dangerous situation
what they're doing is they're trying to gain as much intelligence with thomas
told you before on the phone
is very crucial to investigators
if you're a hostile negotiator at this point and you want to use some of the
reformation you want to see uwe tweak it was in a way
to bring up his grandfather will agree upon say
if you knew you were here what would your mom say
if she was out here
and see how are you on that issue we'll see how he reacts to it for surgery more
agitated he does you have to back off that packed in the meantime i mean you
have many different in various going on here
you'll have police and emergency response units surrounding the building
and the surrounding areas to try and keep the adjoining building's safe
and out of any line of something that could happen
the explosion or if he is on and dangerous in that way
so you have to try to vaculated area you will also try to lock down the rest of
the building
to confine his movements as much as you can
to one confined area
now what's going against them most likely in the discovery channel
handle building
there are a massive t_v_ says there are five snooze
you can't go anywhere in this building without seeing a television is actually
seeing the stuff
he may be watching fox right now he could be watching us right now or if you
are listening to his brother-in-law
because seven waffling
it could be putting site the situation
and there's nothing the police can do
cutting the power may be cutting the lines
but then again it's another negotiation tool in dealing with him
run on sunday he is capable
violence
under the rules of said he was scared that he would show up at his door
and hurt him and his wife
now we don't know whether that's a lot of times higher issues that
for most of it
that means that that bomb
what this switch pat's cadmium damaging witness and what does that mean
deadliest which is a way of bringing a blown explosive device
that if you let go of it is like a triggers a year
pressure point
if you would call that if that really is ed
device
if u it has the capability of exploding
people do it in
were situated on their consular holding
you're constantly holding it sort of like it shows a letter to him
so that's why i like telling the pain of a hand grenade if we can put in very
simplistic terms and holding they'd hand grenade together with the trigger on the
hill today
so if you let go of it it's going to explode it that dead man switch is
active and of the bomb is a real bomb
if the police in should decide to take
legal action against him if he fell
potentially could kill the hostages
it something else that's why
perhaps is a good cheer
and the bomb squad have to be worried about this point phone
now they have to keep its market right
yes so
that's the key keep the dialogue going
he could always hang up
nahi
is other ways of communicating with islamic that hopefully the and i'm sure
without giving you away any trade secrets
at this point i'm dave surrounded the building
there on the joining floors
they would have alternate ways of communicating with him
in simplistic terms
even aboard if they had seen
but the fact is talking to is a good sign
depending what he's saying
could be good can be bad
and the fact of they're watching his movements
i'm sure the discovery channel also has very sophisticated closed-circuit
brightening treatment on the lower right portion screen and we have a month
jonathan from his two thousand restful now we had
you might find it shocking submitters characters coming in about a fox news
the building
abnormally
if they're suspicious or if they've acted unusually or if
you know they might not like
my market coverage on a given day
harmon
their pictures posted
so we are as a very sentences here now
do not let this person right now i would imagine the scene a ruckus could cause a
couple of years ago would've at least prompted
his picture to be passed around here i don't know the set up outside that will
rolling over in the main entrance is
it doesn't appear like according to tension well judicial reports
on fox word that he may have taken even the security guard hostage
so it's a possible securities ltd
that some of them
approach to as he came in if he did come in
in that person was the first hostage taking normally security
push themselves in harms way
and a lot of the security as you know here at fahcsia we know all over the
country are retired or for more police line of this in a mess of the vietnam so
we don't mess with them but that's the first person taken hostage in the shows
his best
he would try to do
de-escalate the situation now there were reports of shots d but uh... i think
it's sheppard pratt westar
instead
clear winona rather shots into something else calling for breaking
we'll talk a little who we should
what habit of using advisor an off-duty or retired solicitors it could be
anything hopeful
christian friend
being rather than about that
we we know no one being harmed at this point
and uh...
that obviously
most of the nineteen hundred in that building got out
that's good news
that's good news in the longer this thing goes out
historically
it works better
the fact that you could negotiate with him now and say to him look
miss tilly you haven't heard either
yes you know you're going to go to jail you've been there before as his brother
was set if it's true he was locked up in san francisco he's been arrested gary
merrell
you know as a stranger to legal beyond that we could fill that you were last
time
give yourself up before someone gets hurt before you get hurt it's not worth
you've made your point you've been a wall of a nationalist
international move the last couple hours
when we'll consider myself when i got arrested
the most recent rise in a way
what is the procedure for law enforcement of our days
when someone is arrested for destruction of this was in violent
but it was crazy
huh
once
what's the attention getter
the attention getter is a huge load for him uh... it's all over that she will
not have a way that why then
this morning's drawn from around but
whatever world lead authorities there say
we've got someone with some major issues vow to keep an eye
was just a few of the prosecution tried that
the law was you know allow a judge to send someone
it's out of the country it's the cops phillies enrollees refunds
united as a president and a lot of them will missouri malignant
till today
today changes the whole scenario today he's going in there with the improvised
were real device
he may have fired shots he may have a weapon it's going to change the legal
system as they look to prosecute him and as a judge will cont looks two cents in
ummm
is it your sense to that one
when a guy like that is pushed against the wall
he is editor at doubleday
maybe thinking fatalistic will home that is not only that
very punctual
we don't know what it is going to end of his brother wall really did give us a
good really comes loaded with their com but we don't know if the bearers loaded
uh... we know that he's appears to help the rights to be a fake israelis would
he wouldn't be the first to try if only improvised device
uh... i would you guys tell
you care and sometimes you can tell until you get off of
fifty here
is his column down talked to him
and start negotiating as these guys the guys who are possibly go she is ours
and as dedicated as the swat flies who may have to eventually arrested
uh...
are trained in how to talk to him
and try and calm him down
make them understand the gravity of this situation
it's best to start letting people go
even heard
patient
i read a lot of anger means everything he says i've read his manifesto here
and rum
etc gets increasingly violent even in the sound
we saw a few have
saving the planet mean saving what's left
of the nine human wildlife
budget priests in the human population
referring to discover your the media to reach enough people
your responsibility 'cause you read so many minds
develop shows that will correct in this man
the dangerous u_s_ world economy
samples shows glorifying
yurman birthday i mean
the wheels all fitzgerald's ominous
it sounds very very ominous yet the wilson we'll submit
he's not right none offset eight cylinders of the used to say
bank but uh...
you know hopefully we had what would you want or is
we can bring him back
just enough uwe ring the bell you wore that you would save all those of the
vehicle
you will save him
let me believe it or not cops are really looking
not going to say the hostages of course and the innocent people that's around
that building
the cops themselves to put themselves in harms way an upper forces that if it is
a real device and nothing goes off
on the cops could get her
or killed
so three-year-old
he doesn't give any isn't increasingly
the keralites home wool
you know some of these not sustainable ramblings army
you used the worrisome
character this could end very badly
let's say a prayer and hopefully
c_n_n_'s better
thank you very
give very little creature