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>>Ankerberg: Nancy, you’re so nice, and I want you to push harder. If I was you saying
to Howard, I might say something like this. “Would you expect me, Howard, if I had a
hell experience and I didn’t say anything, would I be wrong?”
>>Storm: Absolutely. See, I believe that part of the reason why I left the faith was, people
were so nice. I’m sorry to do this to my past, but they’re probably not watching
this anyway. I grew up in a nice, liberal, rational New England religion where people
didn’t want to talk about hell or Satan or anything else. And it was like an ethics
of “be good,” “be nice.” You know?
>>Hunt: Everybody makes it.
>>Storm: Yes. It’s sort of a vague, general kind of a thing. It did me no good, because
I was easily seduced. I didn’t know that the name of Jesus Christ was powerful. I didn’t
know that when you prayed in the name of Jesus, there was a power there. I didn’t know that
Jesus died on the cross for me. I didn’t know. I was ignorant of all those things because
everybody had made it all so nebulous. So, what I do with my witness, and what I feel
compelled to do is, like, I believe that there is a probability that if you don’t know
God in an intimate and personal way—and God has shown us that intimate and personal
way through the man from Nazareth who was the Christ—if you don’t know that, there’s
a good probability that I’m not willing to bet anybody’s life on it. I’m not willing
to take the responsibility that they may have that hellish experience.
>>Langley: I had a near-death experience. My platelet count dropped to 5,000. I was
pronounced dead. They resuscitated me in the emergency room. I didn’t see God; I didn’t
see Jesus Christ; I saw this black thing. Looked like a robe. I wasn’t afraid and
I’m not afraid now. I can feel that there’s only one answer now. And that everybody has
their own religion and their own feelings.
>>Rawlings: Not everybody has a black robe awaiting them.
>>Langley: No. Everybody sees things differently. And you have to accept that. Look how narrow
you will be if you’re not.
>>Hunt: Can I interject here. See, here’s what troubles me, June; however you want to
look at it, this is God’s universe. I do not find this criteria in any other area of
His universe. You go to, even a baker, “I just throw in some ground glass and it doesn’t
matter.” You come to me as a doctor, and I know that you’ve got a ruptured appendix,
and unless you’re on the operating table within 30 minutes, you’re dead. But I wouldn’t
want to “upset” you, because you don’t believe in ruptured appendices. And so I say,
“Well, June, if you’ve got a little pai,n take an aspirin.” That is not love. You
can’t get on a United Airlines jet with a ticket to Disneyland, you see?
>>Langley: You’re taking this out of context.
>>Hunt: No. I’m not taking it out of context.
>>Langley: No, no, no, no. You’re saying “apples and oranges.” I’m not saying
that.
>>Hunt: It’s not “apples and oranges.”
>>Langley: I’m not saying, “You have a religion. He has a religion. We all have.
Just accept it.”
>>Hunt: But, June, just let me finish. Religion has got to be the most important. Okay...
>>Langley: Okay, but you’re putting a name on it. I’m not putting a name on it, because
I’m dealing with other people that have other faiths. But it’s one bottom line:
It’s a deity, whatever name you want to put on it.
>>Hunt: Let me give you the bottom line...
>>Langley: You just said love is the thing that makes the world go ‘round, right, and
I agree with you.
>>Hunt: If I love you, June, I want to tell you right now...
>>Langley: What you believe.
>>Hunt: Not what I believe, what Jesus Christ....
>>Langley: See, but you’re saying “Jesus Christ.” What about these other people...
>>Hunt: Let me finish. Let me finish.
>>Langley: You’re not being fair to them. They don’t have a chance here.
>>Hunt: Let me finish. You’re not arguing with me, you’re arguing with Jesus Christ.
>>Langley: I’m not arguing with anybody. I embrace all of the religions.
>>Hunt: Just let me finish.
>>Langley: And you’re not. You’re being very narrow.
>>Hunt: Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth.” You can’t change what Jesus said. “I am
the way.”
>>Langley: I’m not changing...
>>Hunt: June, please let me finish. “I am the way, the truth, the life. No man comes
to the Father but by me.” He said that we have violated God’s laws. There is God’s
eternal justice and that He paid the debt for our sins.
>>Langley: Okay.
>>Hunt: Nobody else paid it. And He said, “Unless you believe that I am He, you will
die in your sins and where I go, you cannot come.” Now, you’re not arguing with me;
you’re not contradicting me, you’re saying, “Jesus Christ, you are a liar.”
>>Langley: I am not saying that. Don’t say that. No. No.
>>Hunt: Yes. You are.
>>Langley: I embrace all religions and all beliefs.
>>Hunt: But you can’t embrace all beliefs that contradict one another.
>>Langley: That is your belief.
>>Bush: You are both having at things that you genuinely might as well shut up, because
neither of you is going to convince the other one of anything. And frankly, I think you’re
both being simplistic.