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i'm joined by sean mcrainey he's a former latter-day saint of forty years
he's now a non-denominational christian pastor he's also host of heart of the
matter you can find out more at eights over tea and
tv
soc on i've got a whole bunch of questions for you that were sent in by
our audience but before we get to those look just kind of set the scene here
former mormon explain how that happened what that means give us the background
i was originally a stationary marian that los angeles temple
active
i was going president high priest three children
burying gays in the church
and but
i did not know uh... my relationship to god i didn't understand it
you know anymore and doctrines really well long story short ninety
thirty-seven at a roadside experience it
alter my uh... my ideas of mormonism i came to know got a different way and
ultimately left mormon is on the uh... and uh... went to the ology school and
uh...
he came out after vet wrote a book
and it turn into a television show in salt lake moved in southern california
indiana's there
so it's interesting because it
after leaving the mormon church you moved to salt lake city which is kind of
a lot of people might think that that counter-intuitive don't you think
except as a result of barry marshall yes population most of the western united
states has a lot of all the us so
and not simply better to have a baby in a in the eastern on the west
okay so then let's talk of the more specifically
uh... how did your relationship to a lot of the people that were part of your
life when you were in the ldsc uh...
pat did that change in other words were you seen differently and what was the
reaction from within the mormon church when you chose to leave
yeah i did not morrison uses close the gap analyses
and how they teach their people
the only asserts is the only true church on the face of the earth they're the
only one foot priesthood authority from ghana centrist up
and when you leave you either conform or your cast out
and so when i left i literally was i lost a size
uh... by a family friends
basically they don't come out against you are a couple people have
they essentially act like your debt
so there's people in your own family you're saying better no longer in touch
with you because of your choice to leave
absolutely right
okay so
when you see what's going on now with mitt romney and this presidential
election
do you have any insights do you have any thoughts about
what mitt romney's religion means
for his potential presidency
that the average person who's not as familiar with the mormon church does
would now
absolutely doc
and and and it's all of them may seem to me
especially how the evangelical so-called evangelical church
and certainly held him up as a hero
uh... you know it turned a blind eye to what they once really understood and
that is
they used to compare a barbara running for president to a catholic
but john f_ kennedy
well you know it's a pink is not the same thing
moon mit romney first and foremost enter into an l_b_o_ stempel
he raised his arm to this where we stand means before god angels' and everybody
who saw him
andy swore allegiance to the l_d_d_s_ church and building a
first and foremost of everything he does in his life
or will do
invisible lacked it literally says when you have done
or what you will to will go to war building opted church of jesus christ
latter-day saints uh...
thorough religion beeping began
with the credit uh... ideas joseph smith the founder ran for president i states
brigham young controlled yukon territory inactive precedence they happened long
sought
repeated cracking full and they will get is uh... romney's allegiance will be
tough profitability asserts and his state
far before it will be
to presidency
unless you're a lawyer
and then he's lying to you got angels and witnesses and he's given it because
it leads to the country
is one way or another them and will be proven deceptive selecting that about
specifically
what would that mean in terms of for the average person who's maybe not that
familiar and unfamiliar with mormon doctrine
how will this allegiance this primary allegiance to the mormon church be
represented day today in terms of either policy year
how will the average person seen this if mit romney is the president
*** smart i don't think they will see it uh... bucky law l happen suddenly
first of all the more reason won't gain uh...
uh... in rosen roots
internationally
it will proliferate internationally where predict the access of the paper
not as long as they're in the united states
and i will give them more power today they bring in this is a
i know my most people the mormon church brings that about sixty million dollars
a day
in income
they are probably the most grassroots church on the base of this error
now to some people as they will they know how to notify payments putting them
in office
but they don't realize the fallout
that mormonism n mormon industry mormon let people will begin to get contracts
might be done in utah for years
there's a buddy system
that isn't seen in eastern europe research and you will have a defect in
the long term out a non-christian people
they probably don't care
but from my perspective it's a mess
let's talk about a couple of other things that have kind of come up with
controversies that that a lot of people want i want to know about
uh... one question that i got from dow was have you ever been involved in
personally seeing this
retroactive era posthumous baptism into the mormon church which has been so
controversial
allegedly involved also to the president obama's mother who passed away what do
you know about that
uh... it's it's uh...
and it's a mormon is unable even to say getting their dead by i'm going to do
and jenny ology appetizing people who passed on vicariously through somebody
who stands in their plates
patriot's part of their school control and so they got they have no care for
who they
posthumously baptize our dental ppo rights for they do it everybody because
they honestly believe that they will uh... they have
that thing that needs to convert the entire world
additionally david
uh... raw meats
this year it has been much
being a role in closer laura's also one of our prophecy
and his blood existed
koppel white amber's bridal prophecy
but it is just a small and by a thread and of mormon elders will come in and
save it
interviewing romeo
convenient and taking office as fulfillment about long
uh... discussed prophecy
okay and laughing there's a couple of these mormons world bomb a group served
aboard and democrat groups that are
getting a little bit of news you see my face book if even here in there
on the whole is they're going to be any significant mormon population that is
not going to be around me
just know that this is an emotionally bargaining operon
now ivy does there is a visit this group
i mean i gain religious uh... in situations it's a little bit different
segments insects
with and more is and there's an intellectual groups there's some
uh... brewster wrote to what the homosexuality be impressed by the church
some of those groups like the both for a while but they might represent one-half
of one percent of the o_d_s_
uh... population packed the population
we've been speaking with john mcrainey
former
uh... latter-day saints forty years and now a non-denominational christian
pastor you can check out his television show heart of the matter at eight
u_-boat t_m_
dot tv
john really a pleasure to speak with you much appreciate you taking the time and
will absolutely be tuning in to show up
they say you know i think there
okay i think it will take a break we'll be back with play more after this