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joining us now is Sarita McFadden she is a contributing writer and feminist thing
and a journalist hi sweetie how are you
hi I will affect I have I myself have a journalist but definitely
I fighter okay all excuses again
writer I a feminist thing and arm
well all say from looking at your work and looking here to air speed
a the generator a lot of very interesting content
number different fields all of which would be it would %ah
it would take a long time to fully introduce you is what I'm trying to say
it so it's great to have you on
on and I just want to start I guess
I yesterday I think you're telling me you were
you're in our new york I and World at a demonstration that took place
in response to the acquittal
george Zimmerman I'm just wondering if you can you give us
a lever above what was going on on
what were people talking about what was the mood a bit
on and and what was that like well
a I had an opportunity to go to hear the protest in
square a last and I yesterday evening
and I did not participate in a march in a march from
square to Times Square ok after which i think a lot of people listening
photos and speedfan
and find another other like short video clips of what was happening
and bad when I got to their protest at which
you know everyone skyrocketing Square Park which is a pretty prominent Parkin
you know for those over you guys going on in your career fair
about 14th Street and its it's like an surrounded by
killed commercial buildings and all that by
that's a very important public place in New York out yet
probably being you know it's our town square where there
like you know reluctantly some apparently something different
transformations over the years it
right is returning to go to be the town square results
activity at anything I think some people are watching for parts for the apec
I'm will square packets to come back which is just a little bit more
compassionate Square Park
and I was fatally ways steadfast
unbelievably fast for arm
determinate and
fun bonus i've a web site there was a pretty with a particular way
hit me like a like a brick when I walked in
and fifty that like heroes a massive crowd
I say easy several hundred people I think it's it bill that's like you know
at least
at least maybe a South America I'll but have to imagine ended at
like you're taking to the streets I'll North have
a but they got to time square by
it wave tremendous mean the way to a
and you know it was also an opportunity for a lotta
you know I was but the couple at their parents and the french maid who are also
writers and poets our parents and they brought their
yelled my friend has a a one year old and another friend had
and hearing newborn I'm both their you know
I air at a white one parent is black
one parent is why yeah and just
you know it was good to communities have a kind of like trying to unpack what we
what we the sparing
sense and not being able to you something in a way that is meaningful to
thank change so that we don't have enough retrieve my mind
you can tell a probability likely to be I'm ready evidence such as another case
in florida
adventure a fast I'm that
you know taken by itself rights with anger and despair and anger in the also
felt very heavy but also a lot of folks were
like you know they also gave me hope at the same time in the air living
if it's a profound me regressive
period K yeah a power to say anything at its finest this period there soon
definitely made some major relief in where regressing away and I don't really
know how to
compactness in-camera movement and
I civil society and and the guy tank yes
now I paint sorry we had a really powerful crowd
now and I can't be in it company I want to get back to that in a moment but do
you think that that that's a really interesting thing cuz I just with our
previous guests i'd
I just use this phrase have sort of like the the political
like reptilian brain america seems to be really active right now
armed in in this case on and
many other issues related to it leads criminal justice guns
I reproductive health arm and it does seem like
becomes in conjunction with in some respects there was
you know okay maybe there was something that you no doubt advancements on a
cultural level
like in terms of Kate rights or in some respects electing President Obama
and now it's like the the response that
in the region that is so intense and so
overwhelming I'm wondering do you think that
I guess part is that backlash is natural because people who've always experienced
and still do enjoy an enormous mount a privilege
perceive any type even minute change that is somehow being threatened
but I'm wondering if in conjunction with that
when the sort have for lack of a better word kind of centrist conversation
or a certain type love morn
on non ground liberal liberal conversation devolved into kind of like
all were in the post-racial moment diane
the new coalition and we're all you know we're sort of all living these very kind
a cosmopolitan lives
did the dropping of I love
scrutiny on critical discourse from the stuff that also open the door
for the kinda level ferocity and this backlash do you think
well way trainers home anyway lately
angles kinda like impact this really
dynamic try I I'm up one mind that lack
effect take the last one
the last election the left white I'm
which was a stunner for I think the left
if that wait we won the National excellently be be reelected
president Obama intern going out
actually worked VIN I'm but the gravity and responsibility
in there that night there's a certain degree in IT pay about that
I which I think the crowd like you know the gravity
that tremendous like coral ship
where we've got the largest women representation in Congress in
an American history right where we have a second current
african-american president where
the pushback where women in America
mobilize such a decree I
a challenge any right to reproductive freedom
a to do that
like to push back from immigrant communities is a common American citizen
there it like that
on that we're building with you know folks who are undocumented
and document tryin create the American that we've always imagined
honey bee based on stove this the narrative instead of ideas we've always
been tight
I love that about Wed what the RFP is
absolutely being challenged now I feel like it on one hand
if not necessarily entered a certain degree of maturity about this
conversation is a very
out like I'm a conversation about by america is
now there's this period also bring part of this conversation that we have to
engage which is
are huge underbelly the the
over history as a discrimination
and immigration have body
is it like Gilbert would always with axe you know it
and still you know I'm delighted going out I don't mean a cost
too much attention but not a not at this rate please go ahead
pet the real conversation for me often been in my head
strange notion when we present an imminent started showing up
last the last like two years yeah
in various state legislators this idea of trying to redefine
redefine what if human what is who is a person
and who should be protected if any all is it like this confluence so
a in equal justice apply to
people of color and in our criminal justice system
to this draconian China
legislation over women's individual reproductive freedom there for their
privacy their choice
our body this is a conversation about personnel whether or not
tickets it's a it's a multi-faceted level light who
orders are how did our state
how did that happen United States recognize a person
and how are they equally protected under the law
and every the fact that citizens united
that decision with such a strange decision mean year will more willing to
give
person said right to a corporation
someone who is living and breathing in the world
it was we're willing to deny her purse in her to write
over the idea a possible first
there to do something so wake like a at
so weird feedback loop for me and my time don't
completely comprehend why
this challenge 1 it like you know if its out like it's a power struggle
I feel like you know for some reason their conservative elements I
separately uncomfortable with the idea either I think now demanding & exploreli
xfit and I writer whatever reason that is
I cannot point to I can like I cannot point to a singular
a a the culture and how everyone is like how
everyone is comfortable with how brown bodies
and women moved in space in american society
whether it be a n positions of power and politics whether its position
and and in the workforce
there is it like there is there is general rule that everyone is kinda
in like you know against it wanted to embrace
and I have accepted that that's how the stairs and
everything about it being is bridge which challenging it which kind of place
for a bit
we have to push for it of course we're going to be met
but the tremendous amount of respect that I'm
to try and push for it ily taking what with what you said to bring up the
person had amendment like the image the attack on women
and bring it back to what you said earlier about you know how
how we're progressing but at the same time regressing I think it's its
interesting case like on
on a social and like osha love live lead to things like we are progressing I mean
they're still obviously a lot more
do and a lot further to go further to go further to go but I think we are moving
that direction
but what's going on is that the system is being
is being changed in a way where
its its regressing and favoring these voices
that don't want this progression for example you know gerrymandering
i these voter ID laws I mean to through I mean it's obvious to me that
I mean yes they're still certain people in society
who feel this way but there they are the minority now but
this system has been changed so dramatically in such a way where
the vote that's it's basically in favor of these voices now
other so that's why I think it feels like we were aggressing
in the certain aspects because this system is behind those people who want
this regression
yes I don't yeah I would definitely ng agree with that I mean
time primarily to the fair
there's a you know we know how
I mean racism in America which is like
you know keep thinking what it looks like this happen
this is the time we're going to have the honest conversation about race in
America
mmm I'm we're always going to have moments like this we're going to end up
staying at the file
i cant it is we need to have a were
honest and thoughtful mature response about race in America
I'm and well needs to be you know them
and them it like you know I appreciate folks who were indeed me like racism 10
my kinda party faces because they've never necessarily
out about these particular questions about how I'm
this re-think how this system has been codified into our
are lost in our culture in a way that is discriminatory
for which they have like which is why these advocated for corrective measures
measures and I bought and certainly try and police our culture
to it I'm deal this
this great rock I get yet cell
there's a a lot like you know there's a lot of folks who are not missus
like you know we were talking about this we need to actually is
look it kinda more than me show the at the ISU
institutionalization I'll
abrasive and certainly no and
you know a mean that at one out that I have
and you know for it particularly like what was so hard
you know which else
Sarita hello
hello kitty yeah he just cut out for Cinco had out
and yet and you know
I still like the last week ASEAN with the paint with it with the train
well there are so many Supreme Court decisions and I'm still tryna
and yes we we feel like they're
I like they're scared to other cases that are really really freaked out about
that we haven't actually entered into
like it that I haven't heard amplify and pay their public discourse which if
DNA and ruling and miranda ruling
right and right and it but I think if cases like
george Zimmerman's trial particular like you know
Yan like what they're certainly yeah at like 230 as a
more at the periphery that weekend
every black but every black and brown body is its
is should be expected to be racially profiled
whether like you know whether there's wrongdoing are not
I and is how it works with
New York's happened press problem minute
powered and that the enabling as
actually okay to take DNA
and hold on to that yeah we've we've covered that a lot on the show actually
absolutely
thats thats yet you taste it that that aspect of how
you know this swirling iraq like swirling around
serve staff works together
and not being particularly articulate about how the out like you know that
they know that I so yes they're talking about really connected and I'm really
really terrified
about what that's going to mean in teacher
if future incidents where that long where that live in that ruling in this
culture
all comes together know so I no I think I see the thread your drying cuz you're
talking about obviously there's this very long history
that's a given %uh highly you know
in till frankly very recently in american law
instead quite literally institutionalized racism they're still
obviously institutionalized racism but
literally like there is separate accommodation separate schools and
unequal public space
written into the law and now we have
that Kim carried forward in all these different ways socio-economically and
criminal justice policies things like stop and frisk
and then you're getting into what I think you're drawing is this connection
I love
what we're the the lives that people are trying to bring into law
namely like before operations I which have been by things like Citizens United
or art a the theory of life which is an unborn child which supersedes
right serve the woman to have discretion over her own health and body
so therefore taking her purse and head out and then the kind of day in and day
out grinding
everything from stopping first to stand your ground which
operates as a as a withdrawal of person heard from certain groups
african-americans but others as well
in terms of who were kinda according
writes in a civil space because I think again to and that the kind of dry out
with this trial
there is no other I mean Acme maybe a young maybe
maybe if it was a young hispanic man possibly
the the case the fact it became
a trial love trade juan Martin and he became
this ludicrous character which just on the face of any kind of basic logic our
understanding of the situation if that's the case
could not have happened I is is very reflective what you're saying in terms
of who's drawn hang out a person heard
it out although it like if we were having a raise when we need to have
when people are ready to have the BR racism 101 Congress
the same to the racism 3.0 how everything is very light
now it works in america see a pattern of how
and black and brown bodies are represented any really cartoonish
English wafer which place I'm at my imagination to like their
to the extent that one with skillets reasonable
tear shoot it a teenager walking home
and that anybody else would believe that this teenager who was like
a skinny kid with candy pres s
like super human strength and delivered life but he's B movie dialogue like
I'm gonna kill you I mean is the most I mean
me it so like in a it it's an insult the common sense
is what I'm trying to say and the fact that that fits into something people's
conception what is common sense
is definitely that in my view the kind of cultural corollary of what you're
talking about terms the legal
in public implications are for bring in another person
yeah I mean concert it you know
on one hand there's a what the call was great culture and common sense and bean
completely out having a degree oven awareness about
empathy even yes about you know
what makes like you know who is that who is a personal plea protected and a law
and certainly how black americans
it. no american asian-americans
all-state and Mac and estate net category
right the other thing is that the you know when you know what I don't think
that
I like having a white like you had been watching a trial
quite like you know as much as I can I was
you know someone's like pat ryan a couple of criminal
like no criminal cases as a juror my with
really really nervous about the state's case becas
remembering by jury instruction is just ringing work laws about
I am from I'm assault the
yeah I had a grand jury in a outline for a a *** case
right I wanna make I remember jury instruction
and I remember where I was able to mike Powell in time for the case presented to
me
and what MN I'm really I can be really sensitive to what this
legal statute even that right I was really nervous that the state was in
quite meet its burden
yeah I apply think again sorry go ahead anyway but it goes back to
anything it's just how well the statute is in and of itself it's great room
and about like over like
it wasn't it wasn't so much a stand your ground defense
even a stand-your-ground included in the language that the jury instruction
this with the fam self defense case everything about how it's been
Rd privileges the power have that person
invoking the self-defense claim 3 yeah
I don't I'll like I don't I'm wondering like you structurally
there is it like it eat there's a is a structural issue
beyond just the the cultural cultural intelligence
about what what the optics look like
it no structurally which how it's a bit
right well I mean and again taking in
with the connection we've been drying stop and frisk is very much a policy
it's formally in I you know that and high peas metrics and in city policy and
it's been vigorously defended
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