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tom hayden is on the line is the director of the peace and justice
research center former california state senator author of the recipe activist
tom hayden dot com
his website and i will always remember him for the poor huron statement as well
and s_t_s_ and although all the impact that had on my life tom hayden
welcome back to our program
paper i mean how r u inquiry
it is great to hear from you
and yelp
but before we before you get into
what's uh... you know that what's going on
on the bowl beginning at the again thing uh... you told a story on our t_v_ show
a few weeks ago about how
we win democracy inch by inch
i'm really wanted to share that with a radio audience which is
do you remember that
on i have all kinds of uh... ecological metaphors which won uh... ok friday i
had to go back and see what you which one it was it was the inspired it was it
was it was um... it was one about that piece of legislation
that you had initially opposed in
and uh... it ended up being in the way that the police department in los
angeles got taken under control basically all about was the al sharpton
uh... you know in your face lobbying with bill clinton but got the uh...
the uh... pattern and practice language included in clinton
uh... omnibus crime bill which would otherwise
uh... you know quite regressive from uh... progressive point of view but it
lead
their language that could be used by uh... civil rights lawyers here uh... in
l_a_
uh... to put the police
department on trial
get them into a consent agreement and uh...
significantly significantly reform the police department over the past five a
six years
that's an example of the uh...
the idea of uh...
uh... you know is that by and chicago believed that we should go to
slowly i just mean
it turns out that these the these yeah
steps towards uh... a better society
are altman uh...
very painful and and and and don't feel like uh... like much
uh... in the face to the opposition but
they're very important
absolutely max
you wrote an op ed called beginning again people can read it over time did
not common
numerous other places around the country on the summers of course
uh... i'm already on an additional version on the other stuff and i think
um... that was written on you know internet o'clock uh... l_a_ time as
uh... became clear to me that
well bomber was winning them more than that um...
uh... a lot of uh... progressive uh... out comets were guaranteed private
collection of what i have made before word
it would be a one or two percent uh... margin i was with nato silver five
thirty eight on that and
and that was very concerned uh...
you know i know how many people wouldn't uh... would be disillusioned would
refuse to vote and uh... i was very concerned about
the a largely white radical opposition to obama of that preceded the election
fortunately uh... a
for obama none of those third-party efforts or left opposition efforts
so made any difference whatsoever in the outcome of the uh... elections so
here we are uh...
i think that the uh... the that first the first point is that uh... the
the outcome uh...
if like you love you know uh... in a battle it depends on the uh...
morale and discipline of the
the troops in the fen-fen
this was a brilliantly executed uh... organizational strategy via axelrod the
at all
uh... exploiting the uh... changing demographics of america moving up
board for the uh... at more of a racially engendered a person
secondly uh...
it's not true that uh... there was no mandate to the the tendency now to say
that
it was just their reaffirmation of the status quo
we'll tell that to the people article that uh... yeah paul ryan will now have
more
people voted for democrats the house representatives nationwide than voted
for republican
skiavo setback uh... m
we we have to uh... nobody's going to claim it as a progressive mandated less
progressive to um...
right but i mean weather actually you know if it hadn't been for
gerrymandering superior would be democratic right now
well uh... yes it was also a m
uh... triumph over the course of the voter suppression a lot of people who
are just have this mentality that
because election the skeptic they'll always be btech still always be stolen
but
he told the the the experience
says gore uh...
uh... it has been that
uh... p
people who are really in the game people really divided on the ground are playing
for every vote like uh... prep they didn't used to be so
i think i was also a huge uh...
for uh...
people who is
lives are on the line like the algae bt community the um...
the dream act uh...
student that i teach it
the use c l_ a_ um...
women who didn't want to go back to uh... but uh... the nineteen fifties
um...
and um...
uh... you know given the uh... in if the incredible alarm
propaganda machine and and uh... billionaire uh... forces on the right
um...
uh... i think he has to be at least relieved at the outcome they would have
been better
if the political system had been reformed but
even having to play under these onto their rules um...
and we don't have to now we don't worry there is a won the election
partner also you know here but
butler more easily
yeah i'm i'm with you off on the other hand it seems
two things
uh... one it seems that the real work begins now to me anyway it so that you
know if we don't create movement politics and start pushing
not just
not just present obama but all doll legislators sienna right across the
board sir pushing them in a more progressive direction we're not gonna
get there
and secondly i would say that this was not an election so much about
demographics as it was about values the values are
all the values of two new unity for example are very very
deeply held by minority communities because that's how they survived
but uh... i think that these were values i don't think that this had so much to
do it the mentation as it did
with with worldly
well speakers self ally m my friend uh...
obviously they're closely connected to get eighty percent of the people of
color vote
for obama
and uh... thirty nine percent of the uh... white vote for obama
there is it racial divide it that is interwoven with
well you might mean by by values i think it was a repudiation of the market
economics and uh...
you know beggar thy neighbor amy's sauce
so that in wrandell of
yeah philosophies values that's great and i also think tom that uh...
uh... there's nothing inherent in the african-american experience of our
ability no experience
that makes down my arm
big future defenders of an american military and corporate empire
they have values um...
that you know they're proud of having served in the past wars
but their values are implicitly uh... connected to
improving their lives at home but if that means or or
as shrinking the military budget or pulling back for talent of the american
eagle from
countries around the world where we don't belong
tops and and this is what's really frightening to the uh...
republican delete is not the uh...
uh... not just
the uh... the loss of
enchanted military message companies obvious but the loss of castro grounds
at home yeah come home with you
tom hayden uh... brilliant observation some thanks for coming on interest
payments like you thank you incentives some hidden dot com website