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MATT D: Alright, we got GMAN in Jersey City, How are you? GMAN: I'm good.
GMAN: I spoke to Matt Dillahunty on my YouTube Channel not too long ago...
MATT D: ...So what have you got for us? GMAN: Well, I would like to present my evidence for the existence of God...
MATT D: ...and I would be happy to let you do that but I have one quick question ahead of time,
Have You Changed Your Position On The Bible And Slavery?
GMAN: I'm aware that many people believe that God supports slavery
in the bible and He even tells the people how to deal with slaves
but I think there's a misconception about slavery
in the bible verses the slavery that you see going on
in the Trans-Atlantic (Slave) Trade history... MATT D: Okay...Stop. Because not only did I give you this information,
I specifically addressed it. If the bible says you can own people as property,
is it moral or immoral to own people as property?
GMAN: Well, If God says "No", it is not. MATT D: Okay...Stop. It sounded to me like you said that whether or not it's moral depends
on what God says...so if God says "slavery's okay", then slavery's okay? GMAN: Absolutely!
MATT D: Okay. I'm going to go ahead and let you give your...
GMAN: ....But let me say this...Let me say this. There is no commandment in the bible where God says
"Thou Shalt Have Slaves"... MATT D: Oh My God! Oh My God!
Oh My...I'm going to go ahead and let you make your argument for the existence of God....but you might after
we actually had this conversation and after you've looked it up,
you are so desperate to make excuses, that you will sacrifice your humanity
and your morality
and say, "Nope! Slavery might have been all right if God said so.
That is absolutely disgusting! GMAN: Now let's consider something for a moment
since we're on the slavery issue and whatnot, okay? You saw the video I made concerning slavery amongst
the Hebrews and whatnot... MATT D: Yes. I saw you say that the people who disagree
with you are wrong
and don't know the Bible and then when I offered you the verses and made the
arguments now your position has changed
too well if God says it's okay then it's okay. You're not even willing to admit that you
were wrong
about what the book says before. GMAN: But...But there's a difference... MATT D: No! No! No!
No It's Not! My point is that you will not admit that you were wrong about what you
said when you were wrong and demonstrated to be wrong, instead,
you changed your arguments to be that if God say it's okay then it's okay.
GMAN: No actually, if you remember, the comment that you left, it was me
saying that I should have gave a more exhaustive example about what slavery was...
MATT D:...Yes, and I find that to be completely dishonest too
because saying you should have given a more exhaustive treatment
does not do anything to change the fact that you were wrong!
Demonstrably wrong! GMAN: I was not wrong!...and if you would let me get a word in, I could explain why. Okay? I said...
MATT D: I tell you what. Whether or not you get another word in
depends on the next things that you say! Go Ahead! GMAN: Umm, concerning
the whole thing with slavery again, the video that I made, I primarily focused on the slaves
that the Hebrews had amongst their own people and whatnot, which was done, because a lot of them
couldn't support themselves... MATT D: Yes... GMAN: ...for economic reasons...
MATT D: ... and you don't think that's dis... GMAN: ...now you brought up... MATT D: ...Gman?... GMAN: ...can I finish?... MATT D: ...GMAN? GMAN: ...Yes? MATT D: You don't think it's
dishonest
to only focus on Hebrew slaves what you said was the Bible says you have to let
slaves go after seven years and what I showed you was that you were only
talking about Hebrew who owned other Hebrew slaves
because that rule only applied to fellow Jews. You portrayed it as the Bible's
position on slavery
when in fact it was the Bible's position on Jews.
It was a special set of circumstances for them and it includes a loophole by
which you can enslave them forever.
and you don't find it was dishonest to say that? GMAN: Wait a minute! Wait! Wait! Wait! Wait!
There is no loophole...there is no loophole in the bible that says that the Heb...
MATT D: I'll bet you a paycheck! GMAN: That's how you interpreted it!
MATT D: No, No, No!... GMAN: ...but can I present my evidence that... MATT D: No actually you can't present a damn thing just yet,
because I already provided you the passage...It's Exodus 21...and after It says you must
let them go after serving 7 years
it says if they came in with a wife, that wife leaves to them. But if you gave
them a wife
and they come to you and say I don't leave my wife you then take them before
the elders in the town and they say I love my master and I wanna stay with my
master, you drive a spike through their ear to mark that they are yours
and they become your property forever. The bible describes
exactly how you can enslave your fellow Jews forever
and that is Get Them Single and Marry Them Off because their wives and their
kids remain your property
if they didn't come into the slave situation with them. That my friend is an absolute loophole
which I already told you about. GMAN: ...Okay. I think me and you are going to disagree on the interpretation of what you're reading there... MATT D: Then you're wrong!
You're wrong! You're wrong and you're done! It is blatantly
written there word for word. Move on to your argument for the existence of God or...
GMAN: O-kay! So we agree to disagree on the slavery issue... MATT D: NO! YOU'RE DONE! BYE!
This is not agreeing to disagree! I'm going to pull up the passage
right here and I'm going to read it to you. Exodus...21...
Because I want to make sure that I don't misrepresent it. Because what you did,
for those people who are interested, GMAN has a channel where he tries to make
excuses for the bible and slavery by saying, 'Well, slavery wasn't like that,
it was just indentured servitude'...
No it wasn't! 'Slavery isn't like that. The bible says you got to let them go after 7 years'...
No it wasn't! You were absolutely dishonest in everything that you said about that.
I provided you the verses
and gave you ample opportunity to be prepared for this before you walked on to
this show today,
where I said I would embarrass you if you did not acknowledge that you were
being dishonest
Exodus 21:2: " "If you buy a Hebrew servant, he's yours for six years. But in the seventh year,
he shall go free, without paying anything.
If he comes alone, he is to go free alone;
but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him.
If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters,
the woman and her children shall belong to her master,
and only the man shall go free. But if the servant declares, 'I love my master
and my wife and children
and do not want to go free,' then his master must take him before the judges. He shall
take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl.
Then he will be his servant for life." You sir, are Dishonest
and Unwelcomed to call back in until you have acknowledged that.