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SCREAMING AT ME OR GRILLING ME
OR SOMEONE LIKE TRAVIS DOING THE
SAME.
>> OOH!
LET'S START OUR DEBATE WITH OUR
EXPERT PANEL, HALF FOR THE
PROSECUTION AND HALF FOR THE
DEFENSE.
THE QUESTION IS JODI ARIAS
WINNING THIS BATTLE OF WITS ON
THE STAND IN WILL SHE CONVINCE
THE JURY SHE KILLED IN
SELF-DEFENSE OR WILL THE
PROSUTION PROVE SHE'S A
PATHOLOGICAL LIAR WHO
SLAUGHTERED TRAVIS IN REVENGE
FOR REFUSING TO CONSIDER HER AS
A SERIOUS LIFE PARTNER.
WHO IS WINNING?
WE BEGIN WITH FORMER PROSECUTOR
FRED TEESY.
>> SCREAMING AT ME.
HER MEMORY WAS HORRIBLE AND I
THOUGHT THE CROSS-EXAMINATION
SCORED A LOT OF POINTS AND THE
ONLY THING SHE'S EARNING FOR
HERSELF AT THIS POINT IS A
BLINDFOLD AND A CIGARETTE.
>> ANA, FOR THE DEFENSE.
>> I THOUGHT IT WAS ANOTHER
GREAT DAY FOR THE DEFENSE
YESTERDAY.
CLEARLY, SHE WAS WELL PREPARED
AND SHE WAS METHODICAL IN HER
RESPONSES AND JANE, THERE WERE A
COUPLE OF TIMES WHEN SHE TRIPPED
UP THE PROSECUTOR, AND I THINK
THE PROSECUTOR, YES, HE'S A
SKILLED ATTORNEY AND A GREAT
TRIAL ATTORNEY, BUT HE IS BEING
WAY TOO AGGRESSIVE OUT OF THE
GATE AND HE RUNS A SERIOUS RISK
OF ALIENATING THOSE JURORS AND
THIS COULD END UP BACKFIRING ON
HIM SO I THINK HE NEEDS TO
SERIOUSLY CONSIDER TAKING A STEP
BACK ON MONDAY AND NOT ATTACKING
THE WITNESS.
>> FIRST OF ALL, THE JURY GOT TO
SEE HOW ASSERTIVE JODI CAN BE,
THAT SHE'S NOT SOME COWERING,
BATTERED WOMAN WHICH I THINK WAS
PART OF MR. MARTINEZ' PLAN AND
LETTAY NOT FORGET THE LIES.
MR. MARTINEZ IS DOING ONE THING
AND THAT IS CONTINUING TO BRING
OUT LIES ABOUT THE FINGER, FOR
EXAMPLE.
HE POINTED OUT THAT NOW SHE HAS
TWO TO THREE DIFFERENT STORIES
ABOUT HOW HER FINGER WAS HURT
JUST LIKE SHE HAD THREE
DIFFERENT STORIES ABOUT THE
*** AND ONE THING QUICKLY,
JANE.
SHE'S ADMITTED TO THE KILLING.
SHE'S ADMITTED TO GETTING RID OF
THE GUN.
SHE'S ADMITTED NOW OR HE'S
TRYING TO GET HER TO ADMIT TO
WITNESS TAMPERING AND NOT MUCH
ELSE SHE CAN ADMIT TO.
>> ROUND ONE, ARIAS.
SHE WON THE FIRST ROUND AGAINST
THIS PROSECUTOR.
THE PROSECUTOR TOOK THE BAIT AND
WENT FOR THE MINUTIA RATHER THAN
BIG POINTS IN TERMS OF LYING TO
THE POLICE.
THINGS THAT WOULD REALLY SCORE
POINTS WITH THAT JURY.
HE TOOK THE BAIT.
JODI ARIAS WINS THE FIRST ROUND.
>> ONE OF THE MOST HEATED
EXCHANGES BETWEEN JODI AND
PROSECUTOR JUAN MARTINEZ WAS ALL
ABOUT *** SEX WITH CANDY.
WHO KNEW?
SERIOUSLY, PROSECUTOR JUAN
MARTINEZ SPENT SEVERAL MINUTES
SPARRING OVER POP ROCKS AND
TOOTSIE POPS.
HE YES, APPARENTLY, THEY'RE USED
AS SEX TOYS.
YOU DO THE MATH.
JUAN DEMANDED TO KNOW WHETHER
JODI HAD A GOOD TIME DURING HER
CANDY-COATED SEX GAMES WITH
TRAVIS.
LISTEN.
>> YOU ENJOYED THE TOOTSIE POPS
AND THE POP ROCKS, CORRECT?
>> I ENJOYED HACKS TENSION.
>> NO.
I WANT TO KNOW IF YOU ENJOYED
THE TOOTSIE POPS AND THE POP
RACK ROCKS.
YOU CAN ENJOY IT BUT NOT ENJOY
IT.
WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY?
>> AM I ALLOWED TO SAY WHAT I'M
TRYING TO SAY?
>> I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE
TRYING TO SAY.
THIS ENCOUNTER THAT IS CALLED
RONNY'S BAPTISM THERE WERE SOME
POP ROCKS AND TOOTSIE POPS THAT
WERE INVOLVED, RIGHT?
>> NO.
LONNY'S BAPTISM DID NOT INVOLVE
TOOTSIE POPS AND POP ROCKS.
>> I LOST TRACK OF THE POINT
BECAUSE OF THE UNINTENTIONAL
HILARITY OF THE SPARRING.
WAS THIS THE BEST WAY TO TRY TO
MAKE THE POINT THAT JODI ENJOYED
THE SEX GAMES WITH TRAVIS AND
ONLY HAD THEM AS DEGRADING WHEN
TO HANG HER HAT ON.
>> YOU HEARD THE SEX TAPE,
DIDN'T YOU?
HOW CAN ANYONE ARGUE THAT
TELLING YOUR GIRLFRIEND THAT SHE
SOUNDS LIKE A 12-YEAR-OLD GIRL
HAVING AN *** AND THAT'S HOT
AND THAT HE FANTASIZES ABOUT
TYING HER UP TO A TREE AND
HAVING *** SEX WITH HER AND
THAT HE WANTS HER TO FEEL ***
AND ENJOY IT.
HOW CAN ANYONE ARGUE THAT THAT
IS NOT *** DOMINATION.
HER ARGUMENT IS SELF-DEFENSE.
SHE'S ARGUING SHE WAS SEXUALLY
ABUSED AND SEXUALLY DEGRADED AND
THIS TIES INTO HER ARGUMENT THAT
SHE WAS A VICTIM OF DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE.
>> NO.
FIRST OF ALL, HERE'S A LOT OF
PROBLEMS FOR THAT.
THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT
SUPPORTS THIS.
A LOT OF HER CLAIMS WERE NOT
BACKED UP BY HER DIARY AND HER
STORY CHANGED OVER TIME, AND I'M
SORRY.
>> IT'S EVIDENCE.
HER TESTIMONY IS EVIDENCE.
>> YOU KNOW WHAT?
IT IS EVIDENCE, BUT IT IS NOT
GOOD EVIDENCE AND IT'S EVIDENCE
OF A LIE.
HERE'S THE PROBLEM.
THAT'S WHY SHE KILLED HIM.
SHE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO THE
POLICE AND SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN
ON THE WITNESS STAND FOR 90
MINUTES SAYING THIS IS A
TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE TRAGEDY.
I'M SORRY I KILLED THE GUY, BUT
THIS IS WHAT HE DID TO ME, NOT
RUN THE GUY DOWN FOR NINE DAYS
AND OH, BY THE WAY, I FORGET
ABOUT THE ***.
NONE OF HER TESTIMONY.
NONE OF HER CONDUCT IS
CONSISTENT WITH A WOMAN WHO WAS
BATTERED.
I'M SORRY.
>> SHE IS A LIAR.
SHE IS A LIAR.
>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
>> IT IS CONSIST WENT SOMEBODY
WHO HAS BEEN BATTERED AND
ABUSED.
THE LACK OF MEMORY DURING THIS
EVENT IS CONSISTENT WITH SOMEONE
WHO HAS SUFFERED CONTINUOUS
ABUSE.
SO IT'S ALL RELEVANT.
IT'S ALL CONSISTENT AND IT'S
GETTING PERFECTLY INTO THE
DEFENSE THEORY.
>> SHE REMEMBERS ERASING THE
CAMERA AND DOES SHE REMEMBER
PUTTING THE CAMERA IN THE DISH
WASHER AND SHE REMEMBERS LYING
AND HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH IT
UNTIL THE POLICE FOUND THE
CAMERA THAT SHE SAW AND ERASED.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED TO
TALK ABOUT HER, FORTS -- WE
HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED TO TALK
ABOUT HER EFFORTS TO GET SOMEONE
TO LIE AND PERJURE HERSELF WHICH
WAS THE MOST SCALDING
CROSS-EXAMINATION I'VE SEEN IN
YEARS.
>> YES!
WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS
ONE OF THE BIGGEST STUNNERS SO
FAR IN THE CASE.
THE PROSECUTOR SUDDENLY REVEALED
THAT JODI, WHILE SHE'S IN JAIL
WAS WRITING SECRET MESSAGES
ABOUT HER DEFENSE TO A FRIEND.
MESSAGES SCRIBBLED IN MAGAZINES
THAT SHE TRIED TO LITERALLY
SMUGGLE OUT OF JAIL.
THE PROSECUTOR FORCED JODI TO
READ HER SECRET MESSAGES OUT
LOUD.
>> ON THIS PAGE NUMBER 20 IT
SAYS READ IT FOR ME -- YOU
TESTIFY SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT SAYS
WE CAN FIX THIS.
DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS WHAT I'VE
BEEN SAYING FOR OVER A YEAR.
ITS YOU [ EXPLETIVE ] WHAT YOU
TOLD MY ATTORNEY THE NEXT DAY.
THE INTERVIEW IS EXCELLENT.
MUST TALK ASAP.
GET DOWN HERE ASAP AND SEE ME
BEFORE YOU TALK TO THEM AGAIN
AND BEFORE.
>> YOU'RE WRITING A BOOK,
PICTURE PERFECT ON THIS CASE.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THESE SECRET
MESSAGES AND YOU CAN SEE IT
RIGHT THERE.
TELL US.
>> THAT WAS ONE OF THE MOST
SHOCKING MOMENTS IN COURT.
WE'VE KNOWN ABOUT THIS FOR A
WHILE.
SHE COMMUNICATED WITH HER
BOYFRIEND MATTHEW McCARTNEY
THROUGH JAIL AND HE WAS INVOLVED
IN CREATING THESE LETTERS THAT
WERE LATER PROVEN TO BE FORGERY
AND THAT WAS THE ONLY EVIDENCE
PRODUCED TO BACK UP HER
STATEMENT.
SO WHEN HE GAVE HIS FIRST
INTERVIEW TO THE ATTORNEYS HE
GAVE A VERY DIFFERENT STORY AND
JODI NEEDED HIM BACK INTO THE
JAIL TO TALK ABOUT HER VERSION
OF EVENTS SO HE COULD COME BACK
AND SUPPORT HER CLAIM.
SO IT WAS BASICALLY HER
SOLICITING FALSE TESTIMONY FROM
BEHIND BARS.
>> WOW!
AND BY THE WAY, MATT McCARTNEY,