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>>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE, I'M GEORGIA DAVIS AND WELCOME TO AZ
GEORGIA DAVIS AND WELCOME TO AZ ILLUSTRATED NATURE.
ILLUSTRATED NATURE. COMING UP NEXT ON THIS PROGRAM
COMING UP NEXT ON THIS PROGRAM WE'LL TELL YOU ABOUT LOCALLY
WE'LL TELL YOU ABOUT LOCALLY GROWN SUSTAINABLE FOOD.
GROWN SUSTAINABLE FOOD. LEARN ABOUT AQUA PONICS
LEARN ABOUT AQUA PONICS OPERATIONS IN THE TUCSON AREA.
OPERATIONS IN THE TUCSON AREA. IT IS A FISH AND PLANT
IT IS A FISH AND PLANT COMBINATION THAT COULD BE THE
COMBINATION THAT COULD BE THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE.
WAVE OF THE FUTURE. ALSO A VISUAL ARTIST TALKS ABOUT
ALSO A VISUAL ARTIST TALKS ABOUT ONE OF HER FAVORITE SUBJECTS.
ONE OF HER FAVORITE SUBJECTS. SHE SAID RAVENS ARE BEAUTIFUL
SHE SAID RAVENS ARE BEAUTIFUL AND INTELLIGENT.
AND INTELLIGENT. >>> BUT FIRST HERE IS A LOOK AT
>>> BUT FIRST HERE IS A LOOK AT THE DAY'S HEADLINES.
THE DAY'S HEADLINES. >> THE ARIZONA HOUSE GIVE
>> THE ARIZONA HOUSE GIVE PRELIMINARY APPROVAL TO A BILL
PRELIMINARY APPROVAL TO A BILL ALLOWING THE STATE TO PURCHASE
ALLOWING THE STATE TO PURCHASE THE LAND WHERE THE GRANITE
THE LAND WHERE THE GRANITE MOUNTAIN HOTSHOTS WERE KILLED
MOUNTAIN HOTSHOTS WERE KILLED BATTLING LAST YEAR'S YARNELL
BATTLING LAST YEAR'S YARNELL HILL FIRE.
HILL FIRE. THEY ARE SETTING ASIDE 5,000
THEY ARE SETTING ASIDE 5,000 DOLLARS FOR A MEMORIAL.
DOLLARS FOR A MEMORIAL. SPONSORS OF THE PROPOSAL DON'T
SPONSORS OF THE PROPOSAL DON'T EXPECT TO SPEND THE FULL AMOUNT
EXPECT TO SPEND THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE APPROPRIATION AND THEY
OF THE APPROPRIATION AND THEY SAY FAMILIES OF THE 19
SAY FAMILIES OF THE 19 FIREFIGHTERS ARE INTERESTED IN
FIREFIGHTERS ARE INTERESTED IN BUYING THE PROPER.
BUYING THE PROPER. THE ACTUAL MEMORIAL WOULD BE
THE ACTUAL MEMORIAL WOULD BE PAID FOR WITH PRIVATE DONATION.
PAID FOR WITH PRIVATE DONATION. A FINAL VOTE WILL HAPPEN IN THE
A FINAL VOTE WILL HAPPEN IN THE COMING DAYS.
COMING DAYS. A NEW SURVEY FROM THE NATIONAL
A NEW SURVEY FROM THE NATIONAL PARKS SERVICE SHOWS 10 MILLION
PARKS SERVICE SHOWS 10 MILLION PEOPLE VISITED NATIONAL PARK
PEOPLE VISITED NATIONAL PARK LAND IN ARIZONA IN 2012.
LAND IN ARIZONA IN 2012. THE REPORT SAYS THOSE VISITORS
THE REPORT SAYS THOSE VISITORS SPENT NEARLY $750 MILLION DURING
SPENT NEARLY $750 MILLION DURING THEIR VISIT AND HELPS SUPPORT
THEIR VISIT AND HELPS SUPPORT MORE THAN 11,000 JOBS IN
MORE THAN 11,000 JOBS IN ARIZONA.
ARIZONA. THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE
THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE MAINTAINS 20 PROPERTIES IN THE
MAINTAINS 20 PROPERTIES IN THE STATE, INCLUDING THE GRAND
STATE, INCLUDING THE GRAND CANYON AND SAGUARO NATIONAL
CANYON AND SAGUARO NATIONAL PARKS, TUMMA CAREY PARK AND THE
PARKS, TUMMA CAREY PARK AND THE NATIONAL MONUMENT.
NATIONAL MONUMENT. SAGUARO GENERATED $70 MILLION
SAGUARO GENERATED $70 MILLION FOR SOUTHERN ARIZONA AND 500
FOR SOUTHERN ARIZONA AND 500 JOBS.
JOBS. AND THREE ARIZONA CITIES MADE A
AND THREE ARIZONA CITIES MADE A TOP 60 PLACES LIST TO FIND A
TOP 60 PLACES LIST TO FIND A JOB.
JOB. MESA AT NUMBER NINE, PHOENIX AT
MESA AT NUMBER NINE, PHOENIX AT 14 AND TUCSON AT 54.
14 AND TUCSON AT 54. AND THAT IS A LOOK AT TONIGHT'S
AND THAT IS A LOOK AT TONIGHT'S HEADLINES.
HEADLINES. >>> MANY PEOPLE ARE MAKING A
>>> MANY PEOPLE ARE MAKING A CONCERTED EFFORT TO KNOW MORE
CONCERTED EFFORT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE FOOD THEY EAT.
ABOUT THE FOOD THEY EAT. OFTEN CHOOSING LOCALLY GROWN
OFTEN CHOOSING LOCALLY GROWN PRODUCTS THAT CAN BE RAISED
PRODUCTS THAT CAN BE RAISED UNDER CONTROLLED CONDITIONS AND
UNDER CONTROLLED CONDITIONS AND ARE MUCH CLOSER TO THE CONSUMER.
ARE MUCH CLOSER TO THE CONSUMER. NEXT WE TAKE YOU TO A FORM NEAR
NEXT WE TAKE YOU TO A FORM NEAR TUCSON RAISING FISH AND GROWING
TUCSON RAISING FISH AND GROWING PLANTS IN A COMPATIBLE
PLANTS IN A COMPATIBLE COMBINATION GETTING ATTENTION.
COMBINATION GETTING ATTENTION. THIS STORY IS PRODUCED BY TONY
THIS STORY IS PRODUCED BY TONY AND BOB LINDBERGH.
AND BOB LINDBERGH. >> THIS SECTION OF THE SONORAN
>> THIS SECTION OF THE SONORAN DESERT NORTHWEST OF TUCSON IS
DESERT NORTHWEST OF TUCSON IS HOME TO A HUGE COMPAREMENT THAT
HOME TO A HUGE COMPAREMENT THAT MAY PLAY A -- HUGE EXPERIMENT
MAY PLAY A -- HUGE EXPERIMENT THAT MAY PLAY A ROLE ON YOUR
THAT MAY PLAY A ROLE ON YOUR FOOD IN THE FUTURE.
FOOD IN THE FUTURE. IT IS GREEN AND GROWING, WET AND
IT IS GREEN AND GROWING, WET AND FISHY, LITERALLY.
FISHY, LITERALLY. IT IS AT MAGGIE'S FARM IN ANDER
IT IS AT MAGGIE'S FARM IN ANDER VALLEY WHERE THE OWNER IS
VALLEY WHERE THE OWNER IS EXPANDING ON HIS EXPERTISE ABOUT
EXPANDING ON HIS EXPERTISE ABOUT THE PRODUCE INDUSTRY.
THE PRODUCE INDUSTRY. HE IS TRYING TO TRANSFORM THIS
HE IS TRYING TO TRANSFORM THIS FORMER NURSERY INTO A
FORMER NURSERY INTO A FULL-PLEDGED AQUA PONIC
FULL-PLEDGED AQUA PONIC OPERATION WHICH EXPLAINS THE
OPERATION WHICH EXPLAINS THE RESEARCH AND EXPERIMENT AT THIS
RESEARCH AND EXPERIMENT AT THIS SITE.
SITE. >> IT IS A WORK IN PROGRESS.
>> IT IS A WORK IN PROGRESS. WE ARE AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF
WE ARE AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE AQUA PONIC MOVEMENT IN THE
THE AQUA PONIC MOVEMENT IN THE UNITED STATES AND IT IS COMING
UNITED STATES AND IT IS COMING ALONG.
ALONG. AND I THINK EVERY YEAR IT IS
AND I THINK EVERY YEAR IT IS GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER.
GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER. >> IN AQUA PONICS, FISH THAT CAN
>> IN AQUA PONICS, FISH THAT CAN BE USED FOR FOOD ARE RAISED IN
BE USED FOR FOOD ARE RAISED IN TANKS BUT THE WATER DOES NOT
TANKS BUT THE WATER DOES NOT STAY IN THE CONTAINER OR IS
STAY IN THE CONTAINER OR IS REPLACED SUCH AS IN AN AQUARIUM
REPLACED SUCH AS IN AN AQUARIUM SYSTEM.
SYSTEM. IT FLOATS TO A FILTRATION SYSTEM
IT FLOATS TO A FILTRATION SYSTEM OR ANOTHER TANK.
OR ANOTHER TANK. FROM THERE THE FILTERED WATER IS
FROM THERE THE FILTERED WATER IS TRANSFERRED TO A THIRD TANK
TRANSFERRED TO A THIRD TANK WHERE THE FISH WATER FERTILIZES
WHERE THE FISH WATER FERTILIZES GROWING PLANTS.
GROWING PLANTS. THE WATER FROM THE PLANTS TROUGH
THE WATER FROM THE PLANTS TROUGH IS SENT BACK TO THE OTHER NALL
IS SENT BACK TO THE OTHER NALL PLANT WITH THE FISH WHERE THE
PLANT WITH THE FISH WHERE THE CYCLE BEGINS ALL OVER AGAIN.
CYCLE BEGINS ALL OVER AGAIN. >> HERE IS THE MAIN HEART OF OUR
>> HERE IS THE MAIN HEART OF OUR SYSTEM.
SYSTEM. WE HAVE THE FISH TANKS AND THE
WE HAVE THE FISH TANKS AND THE FISH LIVE IN HERE.
FISH LIVE IN HERE. THEY -- THE WATER MOVES THROUGH
THEY -- THE WATER MOVES THROUGH BIO FILTERS AND FROM THE BIO
BIO FILTERS AND FROM THE BIO FILTERS IS GOES THROUGH THE 18
FILTERS IS GOES THROUGH THE 18 GROW TANKS OR TROUGHS.
GROW TANKS OR TROUGHS. AND THIS IS THE HEART OF OUR
AND THIS IS THE HEART OF OUR OPERATION.
OPERATION. >> AND THE PLANTS VIGOR AND
>> AND THE PLANTS VIGOR AND GROWTH MAY SURPRISE YOU.
GROWTH MAY SURPRISE YOU. THEY SIT ON FLOATING RAFT
THEY SIT ON FLOATING RAFT WHERE'S THEY GET ALL OF THE
WHERE'S THEY GET ALL OF THE WATER THEY MIGHT NEED.
WATER THEY MIGHT NEED. THE ROOTS GROW LONG AND HEALTHY,
THE ROOTS GROW LONG AND HEALTHY, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE FISH
TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE FISH WASTE FERTILIZED WATER AND FERLT
WASTE FERTILIZED WATER AND FERLT LIEZING IT IN THE PROCESS.
LIEZING IT IN THE PROCESS. THEY RELY ON THIS, BUT IT IS NOT
THEY RELY ON THIS, BUT IT IS NOT HYDROPONICS THAT INCORPORATED A
HYDROPONICS THAT INCORPORATED A DIFFERENT CONCEPT.
DIFFERENT CONCEPT. >> WALKA PONICS IS THE WATER
>> WALKA PONICS IS THE WATER SUPPLIED BY THE FISH AND
SUPPLIED BY THE FISH AND HYDROPONICS IS USED FROM THE
HYDROPONICS IS USED FROM THE WATER.
WATER. AND YOU CONTROL HOW MUCH FOOD IS
AND YOU CONTROL HOW MUCH FOOD IS GOING IN FOR THE FISH AND
GOING IN FOR THE FISH AND THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND REACHING
THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND REACHING THE PLANTS.
THE PLANTS. >> THE OWNER IS A TUCSON NATIVE
>> THE OWNER IS A TUCSON NATIVE WORKING IN THE PRODUCE INDUSTRY
WORKING IN THE PRODUCE INDUSTRY FOR DECADES.
FOR DECADES. HE RETIRED FROM HIS FORMER
HE RETIRED FROM HIS FORMER COMPANY IN 2006 BUT HE COULDN'T
COMPANY IN 2006 BUT HE COULDN'T STAY AWAY FROM THE GREEN STUFF.
STAY AWAY FROM THE GREEN STUFF. IN 2010 HE HEARD THE LAND HERE
IN 2010 HE HEARD THE LAND HERE WAS FOR SALE SO HE DECIDED TO
WAS FOR SALE SO HE DECIDED TO DIG IN AGAIN AND GET HIS HANDS
DIG IN AGAIN AND GET HIS HANDS DIRTY ONCE MORE.
DIRTY ONCE MORE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE LOCAL
>> I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE LOCAL FRESH PRODUCE THAT WE KNOW IS
FRESH PRODUCE THAT WE KNOW IS SAFE TO EAT AND TRY TO BUILD A
SAFE TO EAT AND TRY TO BUILD A SUSTAINABLE FARM.
SUSTAINABLE FARM. >> HIS SMALL TEAM OF EMPLOYEES
>> HIS SMALL TEAM OF EMPLOYEES INCLUDES HIS SON AARON AND SANDY
INCLUDES HIS SON AARON AND SANDY BALES.
BALES. >> THEY ARE STARTING TO EAT
>> THEY ARE STARTING TO EAT QUITE A BIT NOW.
QUITE A BIT NOW. >> SANDY BALES IS THE MAIN PROP
>> SANDY BALES IS THE MAIN PROP GAGS GROWER WHO HAS -- PROPPO
GAGS GROWER WHO HAS -- PROPPO GAGS GROWER WHO HAS YEARS OF
GAGS GROWER WHO HAS YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THE FIELD.
EXPERIENCE IN THE FIELD. >> WE ARE GETTING READY TO SEED
>> WE ARE GETTING READY TO SEED SOME BUTTER HEAD LETTUCE.
SOME BUTTER HEAD LETTUCE. >> I HAVE A CEMENT MIXER TO MIX
>> I HAVE A CEMENT MIXER TO MIX MY MIXTURE AND IT MAKES THINGS
MY MIXTURE AND IT MAKES THINGS GO FASTER FOR ME AND WE MIX IT
GO FASTER FOR ME AND WE MIX IT UP AND FILL POTS UP AND WE
UP AND FILL POTS UP AND WE USUALLY DO 30 FLATS A TIME.
USUALLY DO 30 FLATS A TIME. EACH ONE OF THESE PLATS HOLDS 64
EACH ONE OF THESE PLATS HOLDS 64 PLANTS IN IT.
PLANTS IN IT. >> I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO LEARN
>> I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO LEARN THAT GARDENING IS EASIER THAN
THAT GARDENING IS EASIER THAN PEOPLE THINK AND WITH A LITTLE
PEOPLE THINK AND WITH A LITTLE BIT OF KNOWLEDGE, YOU CAN GO A
BIT OF KNOWLEDGE, YOU CAN GO A LONG WAY.
LONG WAY. AND IT IS ACTUALLY REALLY FUN.
AND IT IS ACTUALLY REALLY FUN. GETTING OUT DOORS AND IT IS
GETTING OUT DOORS AND IT IS REALLY ENJOYABLE.
REALLY ENJOYABLE. AND ANOTHER THING IS THE AQUA
AND ANOTHER THING IS THE AQUA PONICS IS A GREAT FUTURE, SELF
PONICS IS A GREAT FUTURE, SELF SUSTAINABILITY AND I THINK
SUSTAINABILITY AND I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT
PEOPLE NEED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT IT, IF YOU PUT YOUR MIND AND
IT, IF YOU PUT YOUR MIND AND HANDS TO IT, YOU CAN GET A LOT
HANDS TO IT, YOU CAN GET A LOT GOING AND BE SELF-SUFFICIENT AND
GOING AND BE SELF-SUFFICIENT AND GROW YOUR OWN PRODUCT AND FRESH
GROW YOUR OWN PRODUCT AND FRESH FRUIT, FRESH VEGETABLES AND YOU
FRUIT, FRESH VEGETABLES AND YOU EVEN HAVE FISH.
EVEN HAVE FISH. >> THEY SELL THE FISH AS PART OF
>> THEY SELL THE FISH AS PART OF THE EXPERIMENT.
THE EXPERIMENT. MOST AMERICAN CONSUMERS WANT
MOST AMERICAN CONSUMERS WANT FILLETTES, NOT THE -- FILLETS,
FILLETTES, NOT THE -- FILLETS, NOT THE WHOLE ANIMAL.
NOT THE WHOLE ANIMAL. >> THAT IS A RESPONSIBILITY,
>> THAT IS A RESPONSIBILITY, WHERE TO SEND OUR FISH NOW THAT
WHERE TO SEND OUR FISH NOW THAT WE ARE PRODUCING THEM.
WE ARE PRODUCING THEM. AND WE HAVE CHALLENGES AND SOME
AND WE HAVE CHALLENGES AND SOME SUCCESS AND IT IS A MATTER OF
SUCCESS AND IT IS A MATTER OF TRYING SOMETHING EVERY DAY UNTIL
TRYING SOMETHING EVERY DAY UNTIL WE FIND THE RIGHT AVENUE TO MOVE
WE FIND THE RIGHT AVENUE TO MOVE THEM.
THEM. IT IS AN ADVENTURE.
IT IS AN ADVENTURE. AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT EVERY
AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT EVERY DAY WE ARE LEARNING SOMETHING
DAY WE ARE LEARNING SOMETHING NEW.
NEW. AFTER RUNNING IT FOR A COUPLE OF
AFTER RUNNING IT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, IT IS STILL A LIVING
YEARS, IT IS STILL A LIVING SYSTEM THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE TO
SYSTEM THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE TO ADJUST SOMETHING TO IT.
ADJUST SOMETHING TO IT. AND IT IS A DAILY THING.
AND IT IS A DAILY THING. AND IT IS LIKE LIVING WITH A
AND IT IS LIKE LIVING WITH A PET.
PET. >> AND IN THE FUTURE, HE SAYS,
>> AND IN THE FUTURE, HE SAYS, THIS AQUA PONICS FARM MAY
THIS AQUA PONICS FARM MAY UNDERGO YET ANOTHER
UNDERGO YET ANOTHER TRANSFORMATION.
TRANSFORMATION. >> I THINK IT WILL EVOLVE INTO A
>> I THINK IT WILL EVOLVE INTO A MIX OF BOTH EDUCATIONAL AND
MIX OF BOTH EDUCATIONAL AND PRODUCTION.
PRODUCTION. I THINK IT IS A STARTING POINT
I THINK IT IS A STARTING POINT FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO SEE THAT IT
FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO SEE THAT IT IS DOABLE AND MAYBE IT WILL GIVE
IS DOABLE AND MAYBE IT WILL GIVE SOMEBODY AN INSPIRATION TO TRY
SOMEBODY AN INSPIRATION TO TRY TO DO IT IN THEIR HOME AND START
TO DO IT IN THEIR HOME AND START A FOOD MOVEMENT.
A FOOD MOVEMENT. >> A FOOD MOVEMENT WEST OF
>> A FOOD MOVEMENT WEST OF TUCSON WHERE WATER, WORK AND
TUCSON WHERE WATER, WORK AND WILL MAY RESULT IN SUCCESS.
WILL MAY RESULT IN SUCCESS. >> WE CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION
>> WE CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT AQUA PONICS WITH TWO
ABOUT AQUA PONICS WITH TWO GUESTS.
GUESTS. CASEY TOWNSEND IS A LONG TIME
CASEY TOWNSEND IS A LONG TIME BACKYARD GARDNER WHO FOUNDED THE
BACKYARD GARDNER WHO FOUNDED THE TUCSON AQUA PONICS PROJECT AND
TUCSON AQUA PONICS PROJECT AND ANOTHER PERSON TRYING OUT AQUA
ANOTHER PERSON TRYING OUT AQUA PONICS FROM HOME.
PONICS FROM HOME. I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS. BECAUSE I WANT TO DO THIS IN MY
BECAUSE I WANT TO DO THIS IN MY OWN HOME AND I'VE NOT SUCCEEDED
OWN HOME AND I'VE NOT SUCCEEDED SO FAR IN THE TRIES I'VE MADE.
SO FAR IN THE TRIES I'VE MADE. LET'S START WITH YOU, CASEY, HOW
LET'S START WITH YOU, CASEY, HOW DOABLE IS AQUA PONICS IN.
DOABLE IS AQUA PONICS IN. >> I LIKE AQUA PONICS AND IT IS
>> I LIKE AQUA PONICS AND IT IS EASY AND IT IS SUCCESSFUL ONCE
EASY AND IT IS SUCCESSFUL ONCE YOU GET YOUR SYSTEM UP AND
YOU GET YOUR SYSTEM UP AND RUNNING.
RUNNING. AND IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH OUR
AND IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH OUR BLAST OF SUMMERS, AQUA PONICS IS
BLAST OF SUMMERS, AQUA PONICS IS EASY TO DO ONCE YOU MAKE THE
EASY TO DO ONCE YOU MAKE THE INVESTMENT TO DO IT.
INVESTMENT TO DO IT. >> IT DOES REQUIRE AND WE LIVE
>> IT DOES REQUIRE AND WE LIVE IN A DESERT SO MY FIRST
IN A DESERT SO MY FIRST INCLINATION IS WOW, I'M PUMPING
INCLINATION IS WOW, I'M PUMPING A LOT OF WATER THROUGH THE
A LOT OF WATER THROUGH THE PLANTS?
PLANTS? >> NO.
>> NO. BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE FISH TANK
BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE FISH TANK THAT HAS THE WATER AND YOU TAKE
THAT HAS THE WATER AND YOU TAKE THE FISH WATER TO GROW THE
THE FISH WATER TO GROW THE PLANTS AND IT RECIRCULATES BACK
PLANTS AND IT RECIRCULATES BACK TO THE FISH AND IT CLEANS THE
TO THE FISH AND IT CLEANS THE WATER FOR THE FISH.
WATER FOR THE FISH. SO IT IS ALL CONTAINED AND
SO IT IS ALL CONTAINED AND RECIRCULATING.
RECIRCULATING. SO MY SOIL BASED GARDEN, I CAN
SO MY SOIL BASED GARDEN, I CAN PUT 30-50 GALLONS AND IN AQUA
PUT 30-50 GALLONS AND IN AQUA PONICS I CAN PUT 10-15 GALLONS
PONICS I CAN PUT 10-15 GALLONS PER WEEK.
PER WEEK. >> SO IT IS MUCH MORE EFFICIENT?
>> SO IT IS MUCH MORE EFFICIENT? >> IT IS.
>> IT IS. >> AND YOU HAVE BEEN GARDENENING
>> AND YOU HAVE BEEN GARDENENING FOR YEARS AND --
FOR YEARS AND -- >> I STARTED OUT IN THE 70s WITH
>> I STARTED OUT IN THE 70s WITH A GOAT FARM AND I HAD CHICKENS
A GOAT FARM AND I HAD CHICKENS AND GOATS FERTILIZING THE FARM
AND GOATS FERTILIZING THE FARM AND WHEN I CAME TO TUCSON IN
AND WHEN I CAME TO TUCSON IN 0I68 I FOUND OUT I COULD PUT
0I68 I FOUND OUT I COULD PUT HUNDREDS OF WATER ON ONE TOMATO
HUNDREDS OF WATER ON ONE TOMATO AND END UP WITH A SHRIVELED
AND END UP WITH A SHRIVELED POTATO.
POTATO. AND I ALSO COMPAREMENTED WITH
AND I ALSO COMPAREMENTED WITH STRAW BAIL GARDENING AND WHEN I
STRAW BAIL GARDENING AND WHEN I FOUND OUT HOW LITTLE WATER YOU
FOUND OUT HOW LITTLE WATER YOU NEED AND NO ARTIFICIAL
NEED AND NO ARTIFICIAL FERTILIZERS AND YOU CAN EAT THE
FERTILIZERS AND YOU CAN EAT THE FISH, I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT.
FISH, I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT. I HAVE MY P.H. TOGETHER AND I'M
I HAVE MY P.H. TOGETHER AND I'M STARTING OW WITH -- OUT WITH
STARTING OW WITH -- OUT WITH BACTERIA ALREADY THERE AND I'M
BACTERIA ALREADY THERE AND I'M GOING TO BUY MY FISH TOMORROW.
GOING TO BUY MY FISH TOMORROW. ABOUT 30 SMALL ONE-INCHERS AND
ABOUT 30 SMALL ONE-INCHERS AND POP THEM IN THERE AND I'M
POP THEM IN THERE AND I'M EXCITED TO GO AND IT IS QUITE
EXCITED TO GO AND IT IS QUITE EASY.
EASY. IF YOU CAN HAVE A SMALL AQUARIUM
IF YOU CAN HAVE A SMALL AQUARIUM AT HOME AND GROW FOOD IN A
AT HOME AND GROW FOOD IN A GARDEN YOU ARE SMART ENOUGH TO
GARDEN YOU ARE SMART ENOUGH TO DO AQUA PONICS.
DO AQUA PONICS. >> AND YOU ARE TALKING P.H. AND
>> AND YOU ARE TALKING P.H. AND BACTERIA AND I'M COMING BACK TO
BACTERIA AND I'M COMING BACK TO YOU BECAUSE THIS IS NOT SOUNDING
YOU BECAUSE THIS IS NOT SOUNDING SO EASY.
SO EASY. >> WELL LIKE ANYTHING NEW, THERE
>> WELL LIKE ANYTHING NEW, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A LEARNING
IS A LITTLE BIT OF A LEARNING CURVE.
CURVE. AND WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING
AND WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING EVERY MONTH, AND YOU CAN GOOGLE
EVERY MONTH, AND YOU CAN GOOGLE AND GO TO AQUA PONICS AND YOU
AND GO TO AQUA PONICS AND YOU CAN GO TO A CLASS.
CAN GO TO A CLASS. AND THEN WE HAVE WHAT IS AQUA
AND THEN WE HAVE WHAT IS AQUA PONICS AND THEN A
PONICS AND THEN A QUESTION-AND-ANSWER AND SOME
QUESTION-AND-ANSWER AND SOME HELP AFTER.
HELP AFTER. WE OFFER A THREE HOUR CLASS AND
WE OFFER A THREE HOUR CLASS AND TEACH AQUA PONICS, IS IT RIGHT
TEACH AQUA PONICS, IS IT RIGHT FOR YOU AND HOW DO YOU GET
FOR YOU AND HOW DO YOU GET STARTED AND WE ANSWER QUESTIONS
STARTED AND WE ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT WATER QUALITY AND WHAT
ABOUT WATER QUALITY AND WHAT KIND OF FISH AND PLANTS AND
KIND OF FISH AND PLANTS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
THOSE KIND OF THINGS. >> SO LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU
>> SO LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU BECAUSE
HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU BECAUSE THAT IS BEAUTIFUL.
THAT IS BEAUTIFUL. SO MUCH BETTER THAN ANYTHING
SO MUCH BETTER THAN ANYTHING I'VE GROWN SO FAR.
I'VE GROWN SO FAR. >> THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A AQUA
>> THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A AQUA PONICLY GROWN HEAD LETTUCE AND
PONICLY GROWN HEAD LETTUCE AND IT IS GROWN ON A STYROFOAM RAFT
IT IS GROWN ON A STYROFOAM RAFT IN THE WATER AND IT DANGLES DOWN
IN THE WATER AND IT DANGLES DOWN THE RAFT INTO THE WATER.
THE RAFT INTO THE WATER. SO IF I LIFT THIS UP, THESE ARE
SO IF I LIFT THIS UP, THESE ARE THE ROOTS THAT COME OUT OF THE
THE ROOTS THAT COME OUT OF THE RAFT FOR THE AQUA PONICS PLANT.
RAFT FOR THE AQUA PONICS PLANT. SO THE IDEA IS THERE IS A LITTLE
SO THE IDEA IS THERE IS A LITTLE POT HERE AND THE ROOTS GROW
POT HERE AND THE ROOTS GROW THROUGH AND IT DANGLES IN THE
THROUGH AND IT DANGLES IN THE WATER AND THE FISH WASTE AND
WATER AND THE FISH WASTE AND FISH FOOD AND -- THIS IS WHAT WE
FISH FOOD AND -- THIS IS WHAT WE SELL.
SELL. MY WIFE AND I HAVE A SMALL
MY WIFE AND I HAVE A SMALL BUSINESS AND WE SELL THIS AT A
BUSINESS AND WE SELL THIS AT A FARMER'S MARKET EVERY SUNDAY.
FARMER'S MARKET EVERY SUNDAY. >> SO WHEN WE HAVE A SYSTEM.
>> SO WHEN WE HAVE A SYSTEM. HOW MUCH OF THE SYSTEM -- HOW
HOW MUCH OF THE SYSTEM -- HOW MUCH IS IT RETURNING PRODUCE
MUCH IS IT RETURNING PRODUCE VERSUS PRODUCING FISH.
VERSUS PRODUCING FISH. >> GENERALLY THE 80-20 RULE.
>> GENERALLY THE 80-20 RULE. 20% IS FISH AND 80% IS THE
20% IS FISH AND 80% IS THE PLANTS.
PLANTS. SO WHETHER IT IS LEAFLETOUS OR
SO WHETHER IT IS LEAFLETOUS OR TOMATO OR PEPPERS OR EVEN
TOMATO OR PEPPERS OR EVEN EATABLE FLOWERS.
EATABLE FLOWERS. BUT THE ONLY THING WE DON'T GROW
BUT THE ONLY THING WE DON'T GROW IS POTATOES THAT ARE ROOT CROPS
IS POTATOES THAT ARE ROOT CROPS BUT WE ARE EXPERIMENTING WITH
BUT WE ARE EXPERIMENTING WITH THAT AND THAT MIGHT BE
THAT AND THAT MIGHT BE SUCCESSFUL EXPERIMENTS.
SUCCESSFUL EXPERIMENTS. >> INTERESTING.
>> INTERESTING. AND SO KATHLEEN, I WOULD LIKE TO
AND SO KATHLEEN, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR HOW BIG IS YOUR SYSTEM?
HEAR HOW BIG IS YOUR SYSTEM? HOW MUCH SQUARE FEET.
HOW MUCH SQUARE FEET. >> I HAVE A 275 GALLON FISH TANK
>> I HAVE A 275 GALLON FISH TANK AND THEN OF COURSE HOSES --
AND THEN OF COURSE HOSES -- THERE IS GRAVITY GOING DOWN TO
THERE IS GRAVITY GOING DOWN TO FOUR MORE TANKS THAT ARE TWO
FOUR MORE TANKS THAT ARE TWO 75-TANKS, AND THEY ARE TOTE
75-TANKS, AND THEY ARE TOTE TANKS AND THE OTHERS ARE CUT IN
TANKS AND THE OTHERS ARE CUT IN HALF AND I LEARNED THIS FROM
HALF AND I LEARNED THIS FROM CASEY AND STEPHON AND THE WATER
CASEY AND STEPHON AND THE WATER GRAVITY FEEDS DOWN TO THE OTHER
GRAVITY FEEDS DOWN TO THE OTHER FOUR TANKS AND THEN THERE IS A
FOUR TANKS AND THEN THERE IS A PUMP AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LOWEST
PUMP AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LOWEST ONE AND IT CIRCULATES THE NOW
ONE AND IT CIRCULATES THE NOW CLEAN WATER DUE TO THE PLANTS
CLEAN WATER DUE TO THE PLANTS BACK UP TO THE FISH TANK.
BACK UP TO THE FISH TANK. >> SO FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T
>> SO FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF SPACE BECAUSE WE
HAVE A LOT OF SPACE BECAUSE WE JUST SAW A LARGE SYSTEM IN THE
JUST SAW A LARGE SYSTEM IN THE PACKAGE BEFORE, THAT TAKES UP
PACKAGE BEFORE, THAT TAKES UP SOME SPACE.
SOME SPACE. >> 3000 SQUARE-FEET.
>> 3000 SQUARE-FEET. >> SO ARE THERE OTHER OPTIONS?
>> SO ARE THERE OTHER OPTIONS? >> THERE ARE.
>> THERE ARE. THERE ARE COUNTER TOP SYSTEMS
THERE ARE COUNTER TOP SYSTEMS BEING ADVERTISED ON THE
BEING ADVERTISED ON THE INTERNET.
INTERNET. THEY DON'T REALLY WORK VERY WELL
THEY DON'T REALLY WORK VERY WELL AND IF YOU RUP AN AQUARIUM
AND IF YOU RUP AN AQUARIUM BEFORE IT IS A LOT OF WORK.
BEFORE IT IS A LOT OF WORK. SO IF YOU WANT TO GROW FOOD FOR
SO IF YOU WANT TO GROW FOOD FOR YOUR FAMILY, YOU ARE LOOKING FOR
YOUR FAMILY, YOU ARE LOOKING FOR AN OUT DOOR GREEN HOUSE ABOUT 4
AN OUT DOOR GREEN HOUSE ABOUT 4 FOOT BY 6 FOOT MINIMUM.
FOOT BY 6 FOOT MINIMUM. 8 BY 25 IS ENOUGH FOR A FAMILY
8 BY 25 IS ENOUGH FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR.
OF FOUR. >> WELL THAT IS NOT SO BAD.
>> WELL THAT IS NOT SO BAD. >> MINE IS ABOUT 4 BY 24.
>> MINE IS ABOUT 4 BY 24. >> AND YOU SAID IF YOU WANT TO
>> AND YOU SAID IF YOU WANT TO GROW A HEAD OF LETTUCE YOU HAVE
GROW A HEAD OF LETTUCE YOU HAVE TO ESTIMATE HOW MUCH THAT WILL
TO ESTIMATE HOW MUCH THAT WILL TAKE.
TAKE. AND YOU WERE TELLING ME ABOUT
AND YOU WERE TELLING ME ABOUT SCHOOLS.
SCHOOLS. A NUMBER OF SCHOOLS ARE GETTING
A NUMBER OF SCHOOLS ARE GETTING INVOLVED?
INVOLVED? >> YES.
>> YES. IT IS EXCITING WHAT AQUA PONICS
IT IS EXCITING WHAT AQUA PONICS DOES WHEN THE KIDS GET THEIR
DOES WHEN THE KIDS GET THEIR HANDS WET.
HANDS WET. A ELEMENTARY SCHOOL HERE IN
A ELEMENTARY SCHOOL HERE IN TUCSON HAVE WON NATIONAL AWARDS
TUCSON HAVE WON NATIONAL AWARDS FOR AGRICULTURE AND FIRST AND
FOR AGRICULTURE AND FIRST AND SECOND GRADERS ARE LEARNING
SECOND GRADERS ARE LEARNING MATHEMATICS AND DOING THE
MATHEMATICS AND DOING THE SCIENCE FAIR PRODUCTS AND DOING
SCIENCE FAIR PRODUCTS AND DOING THE SHOW AND TELL AND THEY HAVE
THE SHOW AND TELL AND THEY HAVE TO DECIDE HOW MUCH FOOD TO FEED
TO DECIDE HOW MUCH FOOD TO FEED THE FISH AND WEIGHING IT AND
THE FISH AND WEIGHING IT AND TAKING CARE OF THE PLANTS AND
TAKING CARE OF THE PLANTS AND THE FISH IS EXCITING.
THE FISH IS EXCITING. AND IT GOES THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL.
AND IT GOES THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL. THERE ARE MANY HIGH SCHOOLS IN
THERE ARE MANY HIGH SCHOOLS IN TOWN THAT ARE BUILDING AQUA
TOWN THAT ARE BUILDING AQUA PONIC GREEN HOUSES.
PONIC GREEN HOUSES. >> SO IT IS NOT JUST A FAD, THIS
>> SO IT IS NOT JUST A FAD, THIS IS MAYBE A LONG-TERM TREND?
IS MAYBE A LONG-TERM TREND? >> WELL THE WAY I SEE IT, AQUA
>> WELL THE WAY I SEE IT, AQUA PONICS WILL BE THE WAY FOOD IS
PONICS WILL BE THE WAY FOOD IS GROWN IN THE FUTURE, STARTING
GROWN IN THE FUTURE, STARTING NOW.
NOW. >> AND HOW MUCH DID IT COST YOU
>> AND HOW MUCH DID IT COST YOU TO GET UP AND RUNNING.
TO GET UP AND RUNNING. >> I GOT IT USED FROM THEM AND I
>> I GOT IT USED FROM THEM AND I PAID ABOUT 800 DOLLARS FOR THE
PAID ABOUT 800 DOLLARS FOR THE SYSTEM AND TOMORROW I WILL PAY 1
SYSTEM AND TOMORROW I WILL PAY 1 DOLLARS FOR EACH OF THE ONE-INCH
DOLLARS FOR EACH OF THE ONE-INCH TALAPIA AND THEN I WANT TO GET
TALAPIA AND THEN I WANT TO GET SOME MINNOWS AND DUCK WEED AND
SOME MINNOWS AND DUCK WEED AND TRY TO KEEP EVERYTHING AS
TRY TO KEEP EVERYTHING AS SELF-SUFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE.
SELF-SUFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE. I DON'T THINK IT IS THAT
I DON'T THINK IT IS THAT EXPENSIVE COMPARED TO THE WATER
EXPENSIVE COMPARED TO THE WATER I WOULD NORMALLY USE IN THE
I WOULD NORMALLY USE IN THE GROUND AND DUMP INTO A GARDEN.
GROUND AND DUMP INTO A GARDEN. >> AND UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE
>> AND UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
RUNNING OUT OF TIME. BUT BUYERS NEED BEWARE.
BUT BUYERS NEED BEWARE. >> IF YOU GO ON THE INTERNET
>> IF YOU GO ON THE INTERNET LIKE ANYTHING THERE ARE SCAMS.
LIKE ANYTHING THERE ARE SCAMS. AND SO WE SAY COME TO OUR
AND SO WE SAY COME TO OUR MONTHLY MEETINGS THE FIRST
MONTHLY MEETINGS THE FIRST TUESDAY OF EVERY MONTH AT THE
TUESDAY OF EVERY MONTH AT THE UofA AND WE CAN TEACH YOU.
UofA AND WE CAN TEACH YOU. WE HAVE THREE TO FOUR YEARS OF
WE HAVE THREE TO FOUR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND WE CAN TELL YOU
EXPERIENCE AND WE CAN TELL YOU WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T AND
WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T AND WHAT WORKS BEST FOR US.
WHAT WORKS BEST FOR US. >> AND ONE GREAT STORY, GOT TO
>> AND ONE GREAT STORY, GOT TO BRING THIS UP.
BRING THIS UP. YOU TOLD ME ABOUT A JACUZZI
YOU TOLD ME ABOUT A JACUZZI REPURPOSED.
REPURPOSED. >> IF YOU GO ON CRAIG'S LIST, IF
>> IF YOU GO ON CRAIG'S LIST, IF YOU GO IN AND TYPE TILAPIA AND I
YOU GO IN AND TYPE TILAPIA AND I FOUND SOMEONE WITH A REPURPOSED
FOUND SOMEONE WITH A REPURPOSED JACUZZI AND HE IS USING IT FOR
JACUZZI AND HE IS USING IT FOR HIS AQUA PONICS.
HIS AQUA PONICS. >> YOU CAN HAVE A LOT OF FIN
>> YOU CAN HAVE A LOT OF FIN GROWING FOOD FOR YOUR FAMILY.
GROWING FOOD FOR YOUR FAMILY. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN.
THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. >> THANKS, GEORGIA.
>> THANKS, GEORGIA. >> AND NEXT WEEK WE'LL LOOK AT
>> AND NEXT WEEK WE'LL LOOK AT LOCAL AQUA PONICS.
LOCAL AQUA PONICS. WE'LL HEAR ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT
WE'LL HEAR ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT BUSINESSES SPREADING THE WORD
BUSINESSES SPREADING THE WORD AND KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE
AND KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE FOOD-PRODUCING SYSTEMS.
FOOD-PRODUCING SYSTEMS. >>> I'M JUDY WOODRUFF.
>>> I'M JUDY WOODRUFF. ON THE NEXT HOUR, THE SUPREME
ON THE NEXT HOUR, THE SUPREME COURT DETERMINES IF A PERSON IS
COURT DETERMINES IF A PERSON IS MENTALLY FIT TO BE EXECUTED.
MENTALLY FIT TO BE EXECUTED. THAT IS MONDAY ON THE PBS NEWS
THAT IS MONDAY ON THE PBS NEWS HOUR.
HOUR. >>> PARIS IS A CITY SHAPED BY
>>> PARIS IS A CITY SHAPED BY KINGS.
KINGS. ONE WANTED IT TO BE DEDICATED TO
ONE WANTED IT TO BE DEDICATED TO PLEASURE AND THE PUBLIC GARDENS
PLEASURE AND THE PUBLIC GARDENS AND MEN AND WOMEN WITH MEET WITH
AND MEN AND WOMEN WITH MEET WITH EACH OTHER AND FLIRT, MEN
EACH OTHER AND FLIRT, MEN HANDING WOMEN FLOWERS, SO THERE
HANDING WOMEN FLOWERS, SO THERE IS A WAY OF ENJOYING THE CITY
IS A WAY OF ENJOYING THE CITY THAT BEGAN.
THAT BEGAN. I'M LINDA, HOW PARIS BECAME
I'M LINDA, HOW PARIS BECAME PARIS ON THE NEXT MORNING
PARIS ON THE NEXT MORNING EDITION FROM NPR NEWS.
EDITION FROM NPR NEWS. >>> WE'VE BEEN TELLING YOU ABOUT
>>> WE'VE BEEN TELLING YOU ABOUT LOCALLY PRODUCED FOODS SUCH AS
LOCALLY PRODUCED FOODS SUCH AS FISH AND VEGETABLES AND IF YOU
FISH AND VEGETABLES AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT
WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT AGRICULTURE IN OUR REGION YOU'LL
AGRICULTURE IN OUR REGION YOU'LL GET A GOOD OPPORTUNITY IN A FEW
GET A GOOD OPPORTUNITY IN A FEW DAYS.
DAYS. THE TOWN OF BRANNOUS FOUNDERS
THE TOWN OF BRANNOUS FOUNDERS FESTIVAL IS THIS FEBRUARY MARCH
FESTIVAL IS THIS FEBRUARY MARCH 8th.
8th. AMONG MANY ACTIVITIES IS TO
AMONG MANY ACTIVITIES IS TO LEARN ABOUT THE MARANA FARMERS
LEARN ABOUT THE MARANA FARMERS CO-
CO- CO-OP.
CO-OP. WE SPOKE WITH THE FOUNDER, DAN
WE SPOKE WITH THE FOUNDER, DAN ARNOLD.
ARNOLD. >> WE'RE A LOCAL FARMER HERE IN
>> WE'RE A LOCAL FARMER HERE IN MARANA AND THERE IS SEVERAL OF
MARANA AND THERE IS SEVERAL OF US HERE IN MARANA AND SANTA
US HERE IN MARANA AND SANTA CRUZ, COCHISE COUNTY.
CRUZ, COCHISE COUNTY. AND I NOTICED WE WERE SPENDING
AND I NOTICED WE WERE SPENDING TIME AND MONEY TO PROMOTE AND
TIME AND MONEY TO PROMOTE AND SELL OUR PRODUCTS AND WE ARE
SELL OUR PRODUCTS AND WE ARE INDIVIDUALLY PURCHASING PRODUCTS
INDIVIDUALLY PURCHASING PRODUCTS SO I DID SOME RESEARCH AND WE
SO I DID SOME RESEARCH AND WE FIGURED OUT IT WOULD BE A BETTER
FIGURED OUT IT WOULD BE A BETTER IDEA IF WE FORMED A CO-OP AND WE
IDEA IF WE FORMED A CO-OP AND WE DID OUR THINGS TOGETHER.
DID OUR THINGS TOGETHER. FOR EXAMPLE, THIS STORE, WE HAVE
FOR EXAMPLE, THIS STORE, WE HAVE A PLACE THAT ALL OF THE FARMERS
A PLACE THAT ALL OF THE FARMERS THAT BELONG TO THE CO-OP AND IT
THAT BELONG TO THE CO-OP AND IT IS FREE MEMBERSHIP, IT DOESN'T
IS FREE MEMBERSHIP, IT DOESN'T COST YOU ANYTHING, YOU CAN BRING
COST YOU ANYTHING, YOU CAN BRING YOUR STUFF HIRE TO SELL YOUR
YOUR STUFF HIRE TO SELL YOUR PRODUCTS.
PRODUCTS. WE CO-OP ADVERTISE AND BUY FEED,
WE CO-OP ADVERTISE AND BUY FEED, IRRIGATION SUPPLIES, EQUIPMENT
IRRIGATION SUPPLIES, EQUIPMENT FOR THE FARM.
FOR THE FARM. WE BOUGHT THAT AS A CO-OP RATHER
WE BOUGHT THAT AS A CO-OP RATHER THAN AN INDIVIDUAL TO GET BETTER
THAN AN INDIVIDUAL TO GET BETTER BULK PRICES AND TO SAVE MONEY
BULK PRICES AND TO SAVE MONEY OVERALL.
OVERALL. BUT EVERY DOLLAR COUNTS WHEN YOU
BUT EVERY DOLLAR COUNTS WHEN YOU ARE A SMALL FARMER.
ARE A SMALL FARMER. WE HAVE AQUA PONIC LETTUCE,
WE HAVE AQUA PONIC LETTUCE, TILAPIA, VARIOUS HERBS AND PLANT
TILAPIA, VARIOUS HERBS AND PLANT STARTS.
STARTS. WE CARRY HONEY, CANNED GOODS,
WE CARRY HONEY, CANNED GOODS, JARRED GOODS, OLIVE OIL, A LOT
JARRED GOODS, OLIVE OIL, A LOT OF THE PRODUCTS ARE MADE FROM
OF THE PRODUCTS ARE MADE FROM PRODUCTS FROM THE CO-OP MEMBERS
PRODUCTS FROM THE CO-OP MEMBERS AND THE JAMS AND JELLIES, THE
AND THE JAMS AND JELLIES, THE CUCUMBERS AND THE PICKLES ARE
CUCUMBERS AND THE PICKLES ARE GROWN.
GROWN. AND ONE OF THE SALSAS IS ALL
AND ONE OF THE SALSAS IS ALL GROWN BY US AND HE USES OUR
GROWN BY US AND HE USES OUR PRODUCTS.
PRODUCTS. HAND-CRAFTED GOODS, THOSE GORDS
HAND-CRAFTED GOODS, THOSE GORDS ARE GROWN HERE ON THIS FARM AND
ARE GROWN HERE ON THIS FARM AND MAKES THINGS OUT OF THOSE AND
MAKES THINGS OUT OF THOSE AND SELLS THOSE ALSO.
SELLS THOSE ALSO. SO IT WORKS OUT REALLY WELL.
SO IT WORKS OUT REALLY WELL. THOSE ARE AMERICAN BLACK BELLY
THOSE ARE AMERICAN BLACK BELLY SHEEP.
SHEEP. THEY ARE A HAIR SHEEP NOT A WOOL
THEY ARE A HAIR SHEEP NOT A WOOL SHEEP.
SHEEP. THEY ARE GROWN FOR MEAT NOT FOR
THEY ARE GROWN FOR MEAT NOT FOR WOOL.
WOOL. IN SUCH, THE FAT IN IT DOESN'T
IN SUCH, THE FAT IN IT DOESN'T HAVE LANOLIN SO YOU DON'T HAVE
HAVE LANOLIN SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE MUTTON OR SHEEP TASTE IN
THE MUTTON OR SHEEP TASTE IN THEM.
THEM. IT IS A LEAN MEET AND ALL
IT IS A LEAN MEET AND ALL NATURAL, ALL GAS FED AND GRAIN
NATURAL, ALL GAS FED AND GRAIN FED WHEN THEY ARE FEEDING THEIR
FED WHEN THEY ARE FEEDING THEIR BABIES.
BABIES. THAT PARTICULAR SHEEP IS DISEASE
THAT PARTICULAR SHEEP IS DISEASE AND PEST RESISTANT AND GIVEN
AND PEST RESISTANT AND GIVEN NOTHING FROM THE TIME OF BIRTH
NOTHING FROM THE TIME OF BIRTH TO THE TIME THEY GO TO
TO THE TIME THEY GO TO SLAUGHTERMENT IT IS ALL NATURAL.
SLAUGHTERMENT IT IS ALL NATURAL. WE DON'T DO A CERTIFIED ORGANIC
WE DON'T DO A CERTIFIED ORGANIC PROGRAM CERTIFIED THROUGH THE
PROGRAM CERTIFIED THROUGH THE USDA.
USDA. WE GROW NO PESTICIDES OR
WE GROW NO PESTICIDES OR HERBICIDES AND WE GROW FOR OUR
HERBICIDES AND WE GROW FOR OUR KIDS AND OUR GRANDKIDS AND THAT
KIDS AND OUR GRANDKIDS AND THAT IS OUR BIGGEST THING.
IS OUR BIGGEST THING. WE GROW FOR TASTE AND QUALITY
WE GROW FOR TASTE AND QUALITY AND THAT IS HOW THE MAJORITY OF
AND THAT IS HOW THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS OF THE CO-OP GROW.
THE MEMBERS OF THE CO-OP GROW. WE STARTED A CO-OP AGAIN SO THAT
WE STARTED A CO-OP AGAIN SO THAT YOU CAN GO TO A FARMER'S MARKET
YOU CAN GO TO A FARMER'S MARKET AND READ A BOOK AND READ ONLINE
AND READ A BOOK AND READ ONLINE OF THINGS.
OF THINGS. HERE AT THIS FARMER'S MARKET,
HERE AT THIS FARMER'S MARKET, YOU CAN COME AND SEE WHAT IT IS
YOU CAN COME AND SEE WHAT IT IS ABOUT YOUR PRODUCT -- IF YOU
ABOUT YOUR PRODUCT -- IF YOU WANT TO SEE GRASS FED ANIMALS OR
WANT TO SEE GRASS FED ANIMALS OR HOW YOUR PRODUCE IS GROWN OR SEE
HOW YOUR PRODUCE IS GROWN OR SEE WHERE CITRUS COMES FROM OR THE
WHERE CITRUS COMES FROM OR THE PLANT AND THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO
PLANT AND THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO FIND OUT WHAT YOUR FOOD IS
FIND OUT WHAT YOUR FOOD IS REALLY ALL ABOUT.
>> ARIZONA'S HOME TO A WIDE VARIETY OF BIRDS LIVING IF
VARIETY OF BIRDS LIVING IF DIFFERENT HABITATS AND NOW WE'LL
DIFFERENT HABITATS AND NOW WE'LL TELL YOU ABOUT ONE LARGE AND
TELL YOU ABOUT ONE LARGE AND INTELLIGENT SPECIMEN THAT IS
INTELLIGENT SPECIMEN THAT IS COMMON IN SOME AREAS.
COMMON IN SOME AREAS. THE RAVEN MAY NOT BE ON MANY
THE RAVEN MAY NOT BE ON MANY BIRDWATCHERS BUCKET LIST BUT THE
BIRDWATCHERS BUCKET LIST BUT THE SPECIES DESERVES MORE ATTENTION
SPECIES DESERVES MORE ATTENTION AND PRAISE.
AND PRAISE. FOR ONE, THE BIRD IS OFTEN
FOR ONE, THE BIRD IS OFTEN CONNECTED TO CULTURAL FOLKLORE.
CONNECTED TO CULTURAL FOLKLORE. WE HAVE AN INTERVIEW ABOUT
WE HAVE AN INTERVIEW ABOUT RAVENS WITH A VISUAL ARTIST AND
RAVENS WITH A VISUAL ARTIST AND AWARD WINNING AUTHOR.
AWARD WINNING AUTHOR. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.
US. >> I'M TO PLEASED TO BE HERE.
>> I'M TO PLEASED TO BE HERE. >> SO WE IN ARIZONA ARE BLESSED
>> SO WE IN ARIZONA ARE BLESSED WITH HAVING MANY SPECIES OF
WITH HAVING MANY SPECIES OF BIRDS, TYPICALLY PEOPLE CONSIDER
BIRDS, TYPICALLY PEOPLE CONSIDER THE HUMMINGBIRD, ROAD RUNNERS AS
THE HUMMINGBIRD, ROAD RUNNERS AS VERY ATTRACTIVE AND INTERESTING
VERY ATTRACTIVE AND INTERESTING SPECIES BUT YOU LOVE RAVENS.
SPECIES BUT YOU LOVE RAVENS. HOW DID THIS INTEREST BEGIN?
HOW DID THIS INTEREST BEGIN? >> WELL I THINK RAVENS ARE
>> WELL I THINK RAVENS ARE ATTRACTIVE, INTERESTING SPECIES.
ATTRACTIVE, INTERESTING SPECIES. IT BEGAN WITH A VISIT TO THE
IT BEGAN WITH A VISIT TO THE SOUTHWEST WHERE RAVENS, AS I
SOUTHWEST WHERE RAVENS, AS I CALL RAVENS, A RAVEN WITH A
CALL RAVENS, A RAVEN WITH A CAPITAL R. KEPT PLANTING HIMSELF
CAPITAL R. KEPT PLANTING HIMSELF IN FRONT OF ME AND DID
IN FRONT OF ME AND DID EVERYTHING BUT CROSS HIS WINGS
EVERYTHING BUT CROSS HIS WINGS AND TAP HIS FOOT AND SAY WHEN
AND TAP HIS FOOT AND SAY WHEN ARE YOU COMING.
ARE YOU COMING. I STARTED DRAWING RAFBS TO
I STARTED DRAWING RAFBS TO GET -- RAVENS TO GET TO KNOW THE
GET -- RAVENS TO GET TO KNOW THE BIRD AND MY DRAWINGS QUALIFY AS
BIRD AND MY DRAWINGS QUALIFY AS SCIENTIFIC ILLUSTRATION BUT I
SCIENTIFIC ILLUSTRATION BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WHEN I
DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WHEN I STARTED.
STARTED. ALONG WITH THAT, AS A WRITER, I
ALONG WITH THAT, AS A WRITER, I WAS INTERESTED IN THE HISTORY OF
WAS INTERESTED IN THE HISTORY OF RAVENS AND FOUND THEY FLY
RAVENS AND FOUND THEY FLY THROUGH TIME AND CULTURE.
THROUGH TIME AND CULTURE. PREBABYLONIANS HAVE RAVENS, THE
PREBABYLONIANS HAVE RAVENS, THE LASSCO CAVES HAVE RAVENS IN
LASSCO CAVES HAVE RAVENS IN THEM.
THEM. AND AS I READ ABOUT THEM, THEY
AND AS I READ ABOUT THEM, THEY SHOW UP IN CREATION MYTHS, THEY
SHOW UP IN CREATION MYTHS, THEY SHOW UP AS MIRRORS, AS OUR GOOD
SHOW UP AS MIRRORS, AS OUR GOOD AND SORT OF LOWEST CHALK RAW AND
AND SORT OF LOWEST CHALK RAW AND RAFB OFTEN GETS INTO -- RAVEN
RAFB OFTEN GETS INTO -- RAVEN GET NEWS TROUBLE AND PUNISHED
GET NEWS TROUBLE AND PUNISHED FOR IT AND CHOPPED UP INTO
FOR IT AND CHOPPED UP INTO LITTLE PIECES AND MANAGES TO PUT
LITTLE PIECES AND MANAGES TO PUT HIMSELF BACK TOGETHER AGAIN.
HIMSELF BACK TOGETHER AGAIN. RAVENS ARE BIG BIRDS.
RAVENS ARE BIG BIRDS. THEY HAVE ABOUT A 4 FOOT WING
THEY HAVE ABOUT A 4 FOOT WING SPAN.
SPAN. MOST OF THE RAVENS THAT I DRAW
MOST OF THE RAVENS THAT I DRAW ARE CORE VIC CORE VAC AND THEY
ARE CORE VIC CORE VAC AND THEY ARE THE COLOR OF EMERALD AND YOU
ARE THE COLOR OF EMERALD AND YOU CAN SEE THEM BEING SILVER IN THE
CAN SEE THEM BEING SILVER IN THE SKY BECAUSE OF THEIR
SKY BECAUSE OF THEIR REFLECTIVENESS AND THEY ARE NOT
REFLECTIVENESS AND THEY ARE NOT ANY MORE ENDANGERED THAN THE
ANY MORE ENDANGERED THAN THE ENTIRE PLANET.
ENTIRE PLANET. >> SO YOU WORKING ON A BOOK
>> SO YOU WORKING ON A BOOK LISTEN TO RAVEN.
LISTEN TO RAVEN. >> YES, I AM.
>> YES, I AM. >> AND IT WON A LITERALLY AWARD
>> AND IT WON A LITERALLY AWARD IN THE TUCSON FESTIVAL OF BOOKS.
IN THE TUCSON FESTIVAL OF BOOKS. CONGRATULATIONS.
CONGRATULATIONS. >> THAT WAS SUCH A DELIGHT.
>> THAT WAS SUCH A DELIGHT. THE BOOK FESTIVAL HERE IS TRULY
THE BOOK FESTIVAL HERE IS TRULY UNIQUE AS YOU KNOW AND ONE OF MY
UNIQUE AS YOU KNOW AND ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS TO COME TO.
FAVORITE THINGS TO COME TO. >> HOW DID THE AWARD COME ABOUT
>> HOW DID THE AWARD COME ABOUT IF IT WAS IN PROCESS?
IF IT WAS IN PROCESS? >> IT WAS BASED ON A 20-PAGE
>> IT WAS BASED ON A 20-PAGE ILLUSTRATED PIECE OF THE BOOK.
ILLUSTRATED PIECE OF THE BOOK. SO THAT IS HOW IT WON.
SO THAT IS HOW IT WON. >> OKAY, GREAT.
>> OKAY, GREAT. SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY TO
SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY TO PEOPLE ABOUT OBSERVING RAVENS
PEOPLE ABOUT OBSERVING RAVENS AND FOR EXAMPLE YOU WERE TELLING
AND FOR EXAMPLE YOU WERE TELLING ME THEY HAVE INTERESTING CALLS,
ME THEY HAVE INTERESTING CALLS, THEY MAKE INTERESTING SOUNDS.
THEY MAKE INTERESTING SOUNDS. >> WELL THEY HAVE A FAIRLY LARGE
>> WELL THEY HAVE A FAIRLY LARGE VOCABULARY AND THEY ARE ALSO
VOCABULARY AND THEY ARE ALSO IMITATORS.
IMITATORS. IF YOU HAVE A BUBBLING FOUNTAIN,
IF YOU HAVE A BUBBLING FOUNTAIN, YOU CAN HEAR THEM IMITATING IT.
YOU CAN HEAR THEM IMITATING IT. THEY SOUND LIKE THEY HAVE GRAVEL
THEY SOUND LIKE THEY HAVE GRAVEL IN THE BACK OF THE THROAT, I
IN THE BACK OF THE THROAT, I THINK OF THEM AS DESMON ISSIES
THINK OF THEM AS DESMON ISSIES AND THEY WILL GO
AND THEY WILL GO [ NOISES ]
[ NOISES ] >> AND I'LL MAKE THAT SOUND AND
>> AND I'LL MAKE THAT SOUND AND PEOPLE WILL SAY WHAT IS SHE
PEOPLE WILL SAY WHAT IS SHE LOOKING AT AND IT HAS BECOME
LOOKING AT AND IT HAS BECOME IMPORTANT IN MY WORK BECAUSE MY
IMPORTANT IN MY WORK BECAUSE MY ENTHUSIASM HAS PEOPLE WHO NEVER
ENTHUSIASM HAS PEOPLE WHO NEVER LOOKED AT BIRDS, NEVER MIND
LOOKED AT BIRDS, NEVER MIND RAFBS IN PARTICULAR, COMING AND
RAFBS IN PARTICULAR, COMING AND BRINGING ME WONDERFUL STORIES.
BRINGING ME WONDERFUL STORIES. >> AND PART OF THE STORIES ARE
>> AND PART OF THE STORIES ARE SPIRITUAL.
SPIRITUAL. THEY INVOLVE THAT SENSE OF THEIR
THEY INVOLVE THAT SENSE OF THEIR LIFE AS WELL.
LIFE AS WELL. >> A SURPRISING NUMBER OF
>> A SURPRISING NUMBER OF SPIRITUAL STORIES WHICH IS HOW
SPIRITUAL STORIES WHICH IS HOW THE BOOK EVOLVED BECAUSE EACH
THE BOOK EVOLVED BECAUSE EACH INDIVIDUAL STORY IS UNIQUE TO
INDIVIDUAL STORY IS UNIQUE TO THE PERSON WHO TELLS IT TO ME,
THE PERSON WHO TELLS IT TO ME, BUT I STARTED TO SEE CHAPTERS
BUT I STARTED TO SEE CHAPTERS AND I WAS SURPRISED HOW MANY
AND I WAS SURPRISED HOW MANY STORIES HAD TO DO WITH RAVENS
STORIES HAD TO DO WITH RAVENS COMING AS A COMFORTER AFTER
COMING AS A COMFORTER AFTER SOMEBODY DIES BECAUSE
SOMEBODY DIES BECAUSE TRADITIONALLY WE HEAR OF A RACH
TRADITIONALLY WE HEAR OF A RACH AS A POR TENT OF DEATH.
AS A POR TENT OF DEATH. NOBODY HAS EVER BROUGHT ME A
NOBODY HAS EVER BROUGHT ME A STORY LIKE THAT.
STORY LIKE THAT. JUST THE OPPOSITE.
JUST THE OPPOSITE. >> AND WE'RE LUCKY HERE IN
>> AND WE'RE LUCKY HERE IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA AND NEW MEXICO
SOUTHERN ARIZONA AND NEW MEXICO AND OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD
AND OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD THAT RAVENS ARE PERHAPS NOT THAT
THAT RAVENS ARE PERHAPS NOT THAT ABUNDANT BUT YOU CAN SEE THEM
ABUNDANT BUT YOU CAN SEE THEM AND SPOT THEM OUT THERE.
AND SPOT THEM OUT THERE. >> A FILMMAKER WHO DID A FILM
>> A FILMMAKER WHO DID A FILM THAT I WAS PART OF CALLED
THAT I WAS PART OF CALLED INVITATION TO THE MUSE SAID
INVITATION TO THE MUSE SAID WHERE DO YOU HUNT RAVENS AND I
WHERE DO YOU HUNT RAVENS AND I SAID LOOK UP.
SAID LOOK UP. OR THE LOCAL DUMPSTER.
OR THE LOCAL DUMPSTER. BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SMARTEST
BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SMARTEST BIRD.
BIRD. THEY HAVE A REALLY BIG BRAIN.
THEY HAVE A REALLY BIG BRAIN. AND SO YOU SEE THEM EATING ROAD
AND SO YOU SEE THEM EATING ROAD KILL, THEIR EQUAL OPPORTUNITY
KILL, THEIR EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EATERS THAT NEED TO FOOD THAT
EATERS THAT NEED TO FOOD THAT BRAIN.
BRAIN. AND THEY'LL ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT
AND THEY'LL ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT THEM CLOSELY, THEY DON'T HAVE A
THEM CLOSELY, THEY DON'T HAVE A HOOK ON THE END OF THEIR BEEK
HOOK ON THE END OF THEIR BEEK AND SO THEY CAN'T RIP APART FOOD
AND SO THEY CAN'T RIP APART FOOD SO THEY WILL PAIR WITH A LARGER
SO THEY WILL PAIR WITH A LARGER PREDATOR LIKE A WOLF OR A COYOTE
PREDATOR LIKE A WOLF OR A COYOTE AND THE RAFB WILL BE THE -- THE
AND THE RAFB WILL BE THE -- THE RAVEN WILL BE THE SPOTTER AND
RAVEN WILL BE THE SPOTTER AND THE RAVEN SEES AN ANIMAL IN
THE RAVEN SEES AN ANIMAL IN DISTRESS, GOES AND FINDS WOLF
DISTRESS, GOES AND FINDS WOLF AND COYOTES, GIVES AN ALARM CALL
AND COYOTES, GIVES AN ALARM CALL AND SAYS LOOK WHAT I FOUND AND
AND SAYS LOOK WHAT I FOUND AND SO THEY WORK TOGETHER AND THEY
SO THEY WORK TOGETHER AND THEY BOTH EAT.
BOTH EAT. >> SO THE RAFB SAID IF YOU DO
>> SO THE RAFB SAID IF YOU DO THE KILLING, I'LL DO THE EATING
THE KILLING, I'LL DO THE EATING AS WELL.
AS WELL. >> YES.
>> YES. >> OKAY, GREAT.
>> OKAY, GREAT. AND WE WERE THINK BEING THIS AT
AND WE WERE THINK BEING THIS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE INTERVIEW,
THE BEGINNING OF THE INTERVIEW, ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE THINK THEY
ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE JUST A DRABBY COLOR BUT IN
ARE JUST A DRABBY COLOR BUT IN YOUR DRAWINGS YOU ILLUSTRATE A
YOUR DRAWINGS YOU ILLUSTRATE A LOT OF THE COMPLEXITY IN THEIR
LOT OF THE COMPLEXITY IN THEIR COLORING.
COLORING. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ABOUT
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ABOUT THAT?
THAT? >> MY DRAWINGS START OUT AS PEN
>> MY DRAWINGS START OUT AS PEN AND INK AND THEN I GO IN WITH
AND INK AND THEN I GO IN WITH COLORED PENCIL AND ADD COLOR
COLORED PENCIL AND ADD COLOR BECAUSE -- OFTEN YOU SEE A
BECAUSE -- OFTEN YOU SEE A BLUEISH TONE, YOU'LL SEE
BLUEISH TONE, YOU'LL SEE AMETHYST, PURPLE COLORS, A
AMETHYST, PURPLE COLORS, A LITTLE BIT OF GREEN.
LITTLE BIT OF GREEN. AND BECAUSE NATURE IS
AND BECAUSE NATURE IS REFLECTIVE, SO THEY ARE NOT JUST
REFLECTIVE, SO THEY ARE NOT JUST A BLACK BIRD, THEY ARE CERTAINLY
A BLACK BIRD, THEY ARE CERTAINLY NOT DULL.
NOT DULL. THEY ARE VERY SMART.
THEY ARE VERY SMART. AND THEY ARE VERY FUNNY.
AND THEY ARE VERY FUNNY. AND THEY LIKE -- THEY LIKE TO
AND THEY LIKE -- THEY LIKE TO PLAY, THEY LIKE TO PLAY TRICKS,
PLAY, THEY LIKE TO PLAY TRICKS, IF THERE IS SNOW, WHICH I KNOW
IF THERE IS SNOW, WHICH I KNOW IS SOMETHING YOU DON'T LIKE TO
IS SOMETHING YOU DON'T LIKE TO SEE IN TUCSON.
SEE IN TUCSON. THEY WILL ROLL DOWN A SNOW BANK
THEY WILL ROLL DOWN A SNOW BANK AND BECAUSE IT IS SO MUCH FUN,
AND BECAUSE IT IS SO MUCH FUN, LIKE A LITTLE KID, THEY WILL GO
LIKE A LITTLE KID, THEY WILL GO BACK UP AND ROLL DOWN THE SNOW
BACK UP AND ROLL DOWN THE SNOW BANK AGAIN.
BANK AGAIN. AND THEY CAN -- THEY LOVE JUNK
AND THEY CAN -- THEY LOVE JUNK FOOD.
FOOD. AND THEY CAN RECOGNIZE JUNK FOOD
AND THEY CAN RECOGNIZE JUNK FOOD LOGO.
LOGO. IF YOU PUT OUT A McDONALD'S BAG
IF YOU PUT OUT A McDONALD'S BAG AND A BROWN PAPER BAG WITH
AND A BROWN PAPER BAG WITH FRIES, THEY WILL GO FOR THE
FRIES, THEY WILL GO FOR THE McDONALD'S BAG.
McDONALD'S BAG. >> AND WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO
>> AND WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO SOMEBODY WHO HAS NOT PAID
SOMEBODY WHO HAS NOT PAID ATTENTION TO THESE BIRDS OR
ATTENTION TO THESE BIRDS OR OTHER BIRDS.
OTHER BIRDS. WE SPOKE ABOUT BATS USED TO GET
WE SPOKE ABOUT BATS USED TO GET A TERRIBLE WRAP AND THEY ARE NOW
A TERRIBLE WRAP AND THEY ARE NOW BEING RESPECTED.
BEING RESPECTED. >> I WOULD SAY THAT EVERY LIVING
>> I WOULD SAY THAT EVERY LIVING THING IS WORTH PAYING ATTENTION
THING IS WORTH PAYING ATTENTION TO AND THAT IS ALL I ASK PEOPLE
TO AND THAT IS ALL I ASK PEOPLE TO DO IS TO LOOK AT WHAT IS
TO DO IS TO LOOK AT WHAT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM AND ONCE
RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM AND ONCE YOU START WATCHING THEM, THEY
YOU START WATCHING THEM, THEY BECOME SO VERY INTERESTING.
BECOME SO VERY INTERESTING. AND WE ARE CONNECTED TO THEM.
AND WE ARE CONNECTED TO THEM. >> FANTASTIC.
>> FANTASTIC. BETH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
BETH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US AND GOOD LUCK TO YOU.
JOINING US AND GOOD LUCK TO YOU. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> YOU CAN ALSO HEAR BETH ON
>> YOU CAN ALSO HEAR BETH ON THIS WEEK'S ARIZONA SPOTLIGHT.
THIS WEEK'S ARIZONA SPOTLIGHT. SHE WILL TALK ABOUT THE
SHE WILL TALK ABOUT THE SPIRITUAL ASPECTS OF THE RAVEN
SPIRITUAL ASPECTS OF THE RAVEN STORIES SHE'S BEEN COLLECTING IN
STORIES SHE'S BEEN COLLECTING IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA.
SOUTHERN ARIZONA. ARIZONA SPOTLIGHT AIRS THIS
ARIZONA SPOTLIGHT AIRS THIS FRIDAY AT 4:30 IN THE -- AT 8:30
FRIDAY AT 4:30 IN THE -- AT 8:30 IN THE MORNING AND