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David Pakman: Well, the headline's this morning, Louis, that gay marriage has been approved
in New York State. And you know what? I don't actually like that headline. I really don't.
Like I said on the last show, it's time to stop using the term gay marriage, because
the term gay marriage opens itself up to too much criticism.
Fortunately, in New York, it didn't hold back the right decision, but the term we should
be using, Louis, is marriage equality. Again, marriage equality, not same-sex marriage,
not gay marriage. It's... we need to start getting on-board with the battle of the words.
Republicans do this incredibly well, Democrats typically don't. And forgetting about parties,
progressive issues need to be framed in a more positive way, in a way that is going
to... it's harder to disagree with. And hey, who disagrees with equality, right?
Louis Motamedi: Lots of people.
David: Right. The largest state now, New York State, to pass a law along these lines. The
fate was uncertain for quite a while, even until moments before the vote. It was approved
33 to 29. It was a packed but almost silent Senate chamber. And four members of the Republican
majority joined all but one Democrat in the Senate to support the measure.
The... with his position still undeclared, Mark Grisanti, who's a senator there, he's
a Republican from Buffalo, he had sought office promising to oppose marriage equality. He
told his colleagues he agonized for months before concluding he had been wrong. And you
know what? I don't know why it took the guy so long, but at least he came out on the right
side of the issue.
Louis: Right.
David: Is that a fair argument?
Louis: That's good.
David: "I apologize for those who feel offended," he said, and then he went on, "I cannot deny
a person, a human being, a taxpayer, a worker, the people of my district and across this
state, the state of New York, and those people who make this the great state that it is the
same rights that I have with my wife."
This is happening, ladies and gentlemen. I don't know what else to tell you, it's happening.
One state at a time. And I know that there are people resisting, and I know that this
is going to be a long fight, but marriage equality, as I've been saying for years, Louis...
Louis: You know what? Perhaps not as long as we thought it would be.
David: You think it might get shorter and-- we might get momentum on a lot of these states?
Louis: Seems that way.
David: You may be right. Here...
Louis: I was... were you expecting it to happen in New York anytime soon?
David: Yeah.
Louis: Well, when I say "soon", I mean... we said... what did we say earlier? We thought
that within 25 years all states would have legalized...
David: We had many more specific predictions. I mean, we got into will we have half the
states within 10 years, and I think we will. I think we absolutely will. We said that already
a couple of years ago. So will we get to 25 states within the next eight years? I think
there's a chance. I really do think there's a chance.
Louis: Possible.
David: And here is New York Governor Cuomo addressing this, and he's positive about it,
as he should be. Who doesn't want equality? And let's be honest here, Louis: anyone who
opposes marriage equality is...
Louis: Is not for equal rights.
David: Absolutely. Absolutely. Let's hear what Cuomo had to say here. Hold on, you know
what, Louis? You know what happened, right? You know what's going on? The usual.
Louis: David, you did it again. Unbelievable. You need to get on the ball.
Andrew Cuomo: ... brings it all, because this state, when it is at its finest, is a beacon
for social justice. The legacy of this state was that we were the progressive capital of
the nation. And when you look back at so many of the great progressive movements that were
birthed here in New York, the women's rights movement was birthed here in New York, the
environmental rights movement was birthed here in New York, Storm King on the Hudson,
the workers' rights movement...
David: All right, we get it. So a lot of movements there were birthed, for lack of a better term,
in New York. Lot of people getting engaged, and... as a result of this in New York State.
Congratulations to everybody who has been holding out.
You know, the thing I was wondering, who pops the question in a gay or lesbian relationship?
In other words, in a heterosexual relationship, I think traditionally it's the man who says,
"Will you marry me?" or he does something maybe much more creative, like Louis may one
day do, but in a gay or lesbian relationship, how is it determined who asks... who proposes
marriage?
Louis: We'll have to have the listeners shoot you an email explaining it or something.
David: Yeah, I don't understand exactly how it goes.
Louis: I don't know.
David: Hmm. I have some ideas, but I don't know. I don't want to speculate on something
like this.
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