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>> Ventura: HIDDEN POWER...
SECRETS...
COVER-UPS...
CORRUPTION...
YOU THINK YOU KNOW THE WHOLE
STORY?
THINK AGAIN.
I'VE BEEN GOVERNOR...
A NAVY S.E.A.L...
A FIGHTER.
I'VE HEARD THINGS THAT'LL BLOW
YOUR MIND, AND NOW I THINK IT'S
TIME YOU GET THE WHOLE STORY.
>> Narrator: NOW...
>> Ventura: YOU GUYS ARE TELLING
ME THAT HUMANS TURN INTO
LIZARDS?
>> Narrator: ...JESSE VENTURA
TAKES ON A CONSPIRACY FROM
ANOTHER DIMENSION.
>> Ventura: I COME FROM THE
WORLD OF PRO WRESTLING.
I'VE SEEN IT ALL, AND I'VE NEVER
SEEN ANY 6' TALL, WALKING ON TWO
LEGS LIZARD.
>> Narrator: CAN IT BE TRUE?
>> THEY CAME TO EARTH AND
INTERBRED WITH HUMANS.
>> Narrator: ARE SOME WORLD
LEADERS...
>> WHOA. WHAT THE HELL?
>> Narrator: ...SHAPE-SHIFTING
REPTILES FROM ANOTHER DIMENSION?
>> THIS IS OBAMA.
>> Narrator: JESSE AND HIS TEAM
HEAD OUT TO FIND THE FACTS
BEHIND THE MYSTERY.
>> Ventura: REPTILIANS OCCUPY
UNDER THE GROUND, WE OCCUPY
ABOVE THE GROUND?
>> Narrator: THEY MEET THE
HUNTERS.
>> Ventura: THIS GOES TO A BASE.
>> Narrator: THEY RAID THE LAIR.
>> I DON'T WANT TO GO.
OH, MY GOD.
>> Narrator: THEY WITNESS THE
TRANSFORMATION.
[ CONVERSING IN REPTILIAN
LANGUAGE ]
>> HER EYES SEEMED TO HAVE LIKE
SLITS.
THEY LOOK UP AND DOWN LIKE A
REPTILE'S.
>> Narrator: THEY COME OUT WITH
GUNS BLAZING.
AND JESSE CONFRONTS THE MAN
WHO'S DONE MORE THAN ANYONE TO
SPREAD THIS BIZARRE THEORY.
>> I WOULD GO RIGHT TO THE HEAD
OF THE SNAKE AND SAY, "HEY, PUT
UP OR SHUT UP."
>> Narrator: JESSE LAYS IT ALL
ON THE LINE...
>> Ventura: LITTLE MORE RAPID
NOW, SEAN.
YOU GOT REPTILIAN CHARGING.
>> Narrator: ...AS HE EXPOSES...
>> Ventura: I WANT TO BLOW THE
LID OFF THIS THING.
>> Narrator: ...THE REPTILIAN
CONSPIRACY.
>> Ventura: I'M JESSE VENTURA,
AND THIS IS "CONSPIRACY THEORY."
>> Narrator: JESSE VENTURA'S
LATEST INVESTIGATION HAS LED TO
A VERY STRANGE ENCOUNTER -- A
MEETING WITH A WOMAN WHO CLAIMS
TO BE PART-HUMAN AND
PART-REPTILE.
>> WE'VE SEEN SHAPE-SHIFTING ON
TV.
DOES THAT HAPPEN TO YOU?
>> YES.
WHEN I WAS IN BED SLEEPING, MY
PARTNER WOKE UP AND TURNED OVER
AND SAW THIS HUGE REPTILIAN
LAYING NEXT TO HER.
>> Ventura: YEAH.
I'VE SEEN A LOT IN MY LIFE, BUT
THIS TAKES THE CAKE.
>> IT'S A SIDE OF ME THAT I
CAN'T CONTROL.
>> Narrator: IT'S FAR OUT ALL
RIGHT, ESPECIALLY WHEN SHE
STARTS SPEAKING REPTILIAN.
[ CONVERSING IN REPTILIAN
LANGUAGE ]
EVEN WEIRDER WHEN SHE APPEARS TO
TRANSFORM.
>> I SAW HER EYES SHIFT.
DID YOU SEE HER EYES SHIFT?
>> WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT WE
SHOULD LOOK IN TO THIS.
IT'S IMPORTANT.
SO MANY PEOPLE -- I GET PHONE
CALLS, I GET MESSAGES BEGGING
US.
>> Ventura: ARE THEY NUTS?
YOU KNOW, WHEN I ADDED A COUPLE
OF YOUNG GUYS TO THE TEAM, I
SHOULD HAVE EXPECTED THEY'D
START TRYING TO SELL ME ON SOME
CRAZY STUFF.
YOU GUYS GOT TO BE KIDDING ME.
AFTER ALL, SEAN STONE IS
OLIVER STONE'S KID, AND THE
APPLE DOESN'T FALL FAR FROM THE
TREE.
TYREL VENTURA IS MY SON.
MAYBE I TAUGHT HIM TOO WELL.
YOU GUYS ARE TELLING ME THAT
HUMANS TURN INTO LIZARDS?
>> THERE ARE SHAPE-SHIFTERS THAT
HAVE BEEN RECORDED THROUGHOUT
HISTORY.
>> Ventura: SEAN, YOU FORGET,
MAN, I COME FROM THE WORLD OF
PRO WRESTLING.
I'VE SEEN IT ALL, AND I'VE NEVER
SEEN ANYBODY, SOME 6' TALL,
WALKING ON TWO LEGS LIZARD.
>> YEAH, YOU DID.
YOU SAW IT IN A "PREDATOR"
MOVIE.
>> Ventura: THAT WAS A MOVIE.
IT WAS A FICTIONAL SCRIPT,
SCIENCE FICTION.
>> SO WAS "JFK."
BUT THE POINT IS, WHAT IF
SOMEONE TOOK A REAL SITUATION
AND PUT IT INTO A FICTIONAL TERM
SO PEOPLE COULD DIGEST IT MORE
READILY?
THEY DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE IT,
SO IF WE TELL THEM THIS IS TRUE,
THEY'LL SAY, "OH, IT'S LIKE THAT
MOVIE I SAW."
>> MILLIONS OF PEOPLE AROUND THE
WORLD BELIEVE THAT THE REPTILIAN
ELITE ARE CONTROLLING AND
PULLING THE STRINGS OF
EVERYTHING, THAT OUR ELECTED
LEADERS ARE REPTILIAN.
TO ME, THAT'S WORTH LOOKING IN
TO.
>> Ventura: CAN YOU BELIEVE
THESE GUYS, ACTUALLY TRYING TO
CONVINCE ME THAT SOME WORLD
LEADERS ARE SHAPE-SHIFTING
REPTILES FROM ANOTHER DIMENSION,
THAT THEY'RE HIDING REPTILIAN
ARMIES IN UNDERGROUND BASES,
READY TO COME OUT AND KILL US
ALL?
IT'S NUTS!
WHERE'S MY CREDIBILITY?
I'M GONNA RUN AROUND THE
COUNTRY, CHASING AFTER REPTILIAN
PEOPLE?
>> YOU WANT CREDIBILITY?
LOOK AT THIS, LOOK AT THIS.
HERE'S CREDIBILITY.
TIME MAGAZINE, TOP-10
CONSPIRACIES IN THE WORLD THAT
MOST PEOPLE BELIEVE IN.
RIGHT HERE, TIME MAGAZINE.
LOOK DOWN THE LIST.
JFK ASSASSINATION, 9/11,
AREA 51.
RIGHT HERE, THE REPTILIAN ELITE,
THE REPTILIAN AGENDA.
MILLIONS OF PEOPLE AROUND THE
WORLD BELIEVE IN THIS.
>> Ventura: NOW, THAT MUCH IS
TRUE.
TIME MAGAZINE DOES PUT IT IN
THE TOP 10.
BUT YOU ASK ME, IT MAKES ALL US
CONSPIRACY THEORISTS LOOK NUTS.
>> LOOK, I DON'T EVEN BELIEVE
IT, BUT WE GOT TO SEE IF IT'S
TRUE OR NOT.
>> Ventura: OKAY, I'LL TELL YOU
WHAT.
WE'LL INVESTIGATE THIS THING.
WE'LL GO FORWARD ON IT, 'CAUSE I
WANT TO BLOW THE LID OFF THIS
THING.
AND IF IT'S NOT TRUE, I'M NOT
ONLY GONNA BLOW THE LID OFF
THIS, I'M GONNA BLOW THE LID OFF
YOU TWO.
>> Narrator: LIZARD PEOPLE.
JESSE'S NOT LEAVING IT TO THE
NEW KIDS ON THE BLOCK.
HE FINDS HIMSELF AN EXPERT,
SOMEONE WHO CAN PUT THIS
REPTILIAN TALK INTO
PERSPECTIVE.
>> Ventura: YEAH.
I MEET HER IN A CAVE.
IF THIS REPTILIAN TALK IS REAL,
THIS IS WHERE THEY LIVE.
TRACY TWYMAN...
TRACY TWYMAN LOOKS TO BE PRETTY
NERVOUS.
MAYBE SHE SHOULD BE.
I MEAN, THIS IS BIZARRE TO ME.
I GOT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
AND THOSE SUNGLASSES?
MAYBE SHE'S HIDING HER LIZARD
EYES.
MY TWO YOUNG INVESTIGATORS CAME
TO ME WITH THIS REPTILIAN STUFF,
LIZARD PEOPLE RUNNING AROUND THE
COUNTRY.
I GOT TO TELL YOU, I'M A BIT OF
A SKEPTIC.
I MEAN, I'VE BEEN ON THIS PLANET
60 YEARS NOW.
I'VE BEEN TO ALL 50 STATES.
AND I AIN'T NEVER SEEN NO LIZARD
PERSON IN MY 60 YEARS ON THE
PLANET.
AM I CRAZY?
>> NO, YOU'RE NOT CRAZY.
OF COURSE YOU DON'T SEE THEM
RUNNING AROUND.
IT HAS TO DO WITH ALL OF THE
ROYAL BLOODLINES IN THE WORLD,
BASICALLY.
BUT LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT
EUROPE, FOR INSTANCE.
THEY'RE ALL INTER-RELATED.
>> Ventura: AND THIS IS A
REPTILIAN BLOODLINE?
>> YES.
>> Ventura: RIGHT.
REPTILES BREEDING WITH HUMANS.
WAY BACK IN 8,000 B.C., THE
SUMERIANS' ARTWORK DEPICTED IT.
HEY, THOSE PICTURES THEY CARVED
SURE DO LOOK LIKE SPACEMEN.
MAYBE THAT'S WHEN ALL THIS
INTERBREEDING BEGAN.
>> YOU CAN ACTUALLY TRACE THE
KING OF QUEEN OF ENGLAND ALL THE
WAY BACK TO THE KINGS OF ANCIENT
SUMERIA, AND THE KINGS OF
ANCIENT SUMERIA WERE SAID TO BE
REPTILE GODS, THE ANUNNAKI.
THEY CAME TO EARTH AND INTERBRED
WITH HUMANS TO CREATE A ROYAL
LINE, AND THAT'S THE ORIGIN OF
KINGSHIP.
>> Ventura: THIS IS BIZARRE
STUFF.
YOU'LL NEVER GET THIS IN HISTORY
CLASS AT PUBLIC SCHOOL, WILL
YOU?
>> NO, NOT AT ALL.
IT'S VERY LITTLE KNOWN, BUT WHEN
YOU TALK TO PEOPLE WHO ARE
CONNECTED TO THESE FAMILIES,
IT'S NOT A SECRET TO THEM.
>> Narrator: WHILE JESSE IS
GETTING THE HISTORY LESSON HE
NEVER GOT IN SCHOOL...
TYREL IS LEARNING HOW MILLIONS
OF PEOPLE ARE BEING SCHOOLED IN
THE REPTILIAN THEORY.
>> COME ON IN.
I GOT SOME STUFF.
>> OKAY.
>> I GOT SOMETHING TO SHOW YOU.
YouTube HAS OPENED A HUGE AVENUE
FOR PEOPLE TO INVESTIGATE
PHENOMENON SUCH AS REPTILIANS,
U.F.O.s, GHOSTS, EVERYTHING
ELSE.
>> Narrator: JOSE ESCAMILLA IS A
VIDEO-EFFECTS EXPERT.
AND IT'S VIDEOS ON THE INTERNET
THAT SUPPOSEDLY REVEAL
REPTILIANS DISGUISED AS
PROMINENT PEOPLE.
>> IN FACT, IF YOU GO TO DO A
YouTube SEARCH, YOU'LL PROBABLY
FIND ABOUT 40 OR 50 PAGES.
>> WHAT TYPES OF PEOPLE ARE
GENERALLY ON THESE VIDEOS?
>> MOSTLY POLITICIANS,
PRESIDENTS, WORLD LEADERS, AND
SOME CELEBRITIES, TOO.
THIS IS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND.
HER EYES ARE STARTING TO TWITCH
AND REALLY TURN WEIRD.
AND THEN THEY HAD THIS SLIT
EFFECT.
>> OKAY.
>> AND THAT'S WHY PEOPLE ARE
SAYING SHE'S A REPTILIAN, OR
REPTOID.
>> Narrator: WATCH CLOSELY.
LOOK AT THE EYES.
THIS IS WHAT'S CALLED
SHAPE-SHIFTING -- REPTILIANS
SUPPOSEDLY REVEALING THEIR
ORIGINAL FORM.
WE CAN'T SEE IT IN REAL TIME,
BUT THE CAMERA CAN PICK IT UP.
>> YOU KNOW, THAT LOOKS TO ME
JUST LIKE LIGHTING AND THEN THE
BAD-QUALITY FOOTAGE, BAD-QUALITY
CAMERA.
>> IT'S NOT VIDEO DISTORTION.
>> Ventura: THIS REPTILIAN
BLOODLINE YOU TALK ABOUT -- HOW
DO THEY MANAGE TO KEEP IT PURE?
>> WELL, THEY HAVEN'T, IN FACT.
THE REASON WHY PEOPLE IN
POSITIONS OF POWER, THEY LOOK
LIKE NORMAL HUMANS AND BASICALLY
ACT LIKE NORMAL HUMANS IS
BECAUSE THEY HAVE INTERBRED OVER
AND OVER AGAIN.
>> Ventura: I'VE HEARD THIS
RUMOR THAT OUR PRESIDENTS COME
FROM THIS BLOODLINE.
>> THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
>> HERE'S ONE OF THE ONES THAT,
EVEN MYSELF, I HAVE TO SAY I
DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS ONE.
>> REALLY? OKAY.
>> THIS IS OBAMA...
>> WHOA. OKAY, WHAT THE HELL?
>> Narrator: STILL AHEAD...
>> Ventura: BARACK OBAMA,
GEORGE BUSH, BILL CLINTON --
THEY ALL COME FROM THIS ONE
BLOODLINE?
THAT'S THE MOST BIZARRE THING
I'VE EVER SEEN.
>> Narrator: A MYSTERIOUS
DEATH...
>> MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT SHE
WAS MURDERED.
>> Narrator: ...EXPOSES A
REPTILIAN COVER-UP.
>> THE AGENDA IS TO KILL 85% OF
THE POPULATION.
>> Narrator: THEN, A BIZARRE
CHANNELING SESSION.
>> [ SPEAKING REPTILIAN
LANGUAGE ]
>> Narrator: A REPTILIAN SPEAKS.
>> [ SPEAKING REPTILIAN
LANGUAGE ]
>> Narrator: AND LATER...
JESSE AND HIS TEAM GO REPTILE
HUNTING.
>> Ventura: IF THESE REPTILIANS
ARE REAL, WHAT DO YOU THINK WE'D
NEED TO KNOCK THEM DOWN?
>> Narrator: REPTILIANS
MASQUERADING AS WORLD LEADERS,
PLOTTING TO ENSLAVE, MAYBE KILL
OFF THE HUMAN POPULATION.
JESSE VENTURA IS CLOSING IN ON A
CONSPIRACY THAT'S TOO URGENT TO
IGNORE.
>> Ventura: THIS IS BIZARRE
STUFF, TO SAY THE LEAST, TALKING
ABOUT REPTILIANS.
THE REPTILIAN ITSELF IS SO
FAR-FETCHED TO ME.
THIS IS LIKE THE BIGGEST FANTASY
YOU COULD WRITE ABOUT.
AND YET YOU'RE HERE WITH A
STRAIGHT FACE, TELLING ME IT'S
REAL.
>> I'M TELLING YOU THAT IT'S
REAL.
THESE REPTILIAN PEOPLE IN
POSITIONS OF POWER ARE LITERALLY
COMING FROM ANOTHER DIMENSION.
>> Narrator: JESSE DOESN'T BUY
IT, BUT HE'S THROWN FOR A LOOP
WHEN AN ALTERNATIVE HISTORIAN
CLAIMS THAT U.S. PRESIDENTS COME
FROM A REPTILIAN BLOODLINE.
>> Ventura: BARACK OBAMA,
GEORGE BUSH, BILL CLINTON --
THEY ALL COME FROM THIS ONE
BLOODLINE?
>> THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
THAT'S COMING FROM
BURKE'S PEERAGE, WHICH IS THE
PREMIER GENEALOGICAL-RESEARCH
FIRM IN THE WORLD.
>> Narrator: BURKE'S PEERAGE IS
THE DEFINITIVE GUIDE TO ROYAL
FAMILY TREES.
ITS RESEARCH SHOWS THAT NEARLY
EVERY U.S. PRESIDENT HAS TIES TO
BRITISH AND FRENCH ROYAL
FAMILIES.
>> YOU CAN CALL THEM REPTILIANS.
>> Narrator: SURE, SOME ARE
CONNECTED THROUGH DISTANT
COUSINS.
BUT WHAT DOES IT MATTER IF OUR
LEADERS ARE ACTUALLY REPTILIANS?
>> Ventura: IN THE BIG PICTURE,
WE'RE HEARING ABOUT GLOBAL
GOVERNMENT TODAY.
>> MM-HMM.
>> Ventura: AND OBVIOUSLY, IF
ALL OUR HIERARCHY ARE REPTILIAN,
WOULDN'T THIS THEN BE A GLOBAL
REPTILIAN TAKEOVER OF THE EARTH?
IS THAT ACCURATE?
>> IT IS ACCURATE, AND THERE IS
A NEW WORLD ORDER FORMING, AND
WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE FROM THIS
BLOODLINE ARE THE ONES IN
POSITIONS OF POWER, SO IT ONLY
MAKES SENSE THAT IF THERE'S
GOING TO BE A GLOBAL GOVERNMENT
IN THE FUTURE, IT WILL BE RULED
BY ONE OF THESE --
>> Ventura: REPTILIANS, CORRECT?
>> YES.
>> Narrator: MEANWHILE, VIDEO
DEBUNKER JOSE ESCAMILLA SHOWS
TYREL MORE INTERNET CLIPS, ONES
THAT SPREAD THE THEORY THAT
WORLD LEADERS ARE REPTILIANS IN
DISGUISE...
>> THIS IS OBAMA.
>> Narrator: ...LIKE THIS VIDEO
OF PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA.
WHEN IT'S SLOWED DOWN, YOU CAN
SEE SCALES ON HIS FACE, A SHIFT
TO LIZARD-LIKE EYES.
>> WHOA. OKAY, WHAT THE HELL?
>> THIS IS PRETTY BIZARRE.
GEORGE W. WITH A LIZARD TONGUE.
YEAH.
>> I MEAN, ANYONE CAN KIND OF DO
THAT.
>> Narrator: ESCAMILLA ADMITS
THAT 98% OF THE STUFF ON THE WEB
IS FAKED, BUT WHAT'S LEFT --
THAT'S WHAT HE CAN'T EXPLAIN.
>> HERE'S ONE OF THE ONES THAT
EVEN MYSELF, I HAVE TO SAY I
DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS ONE.
>> REALLY? OKAY.
>> HERE WE HAVE GOOD OLD
HILLARY.
>> OKAY.
>> BUT THERE'S THINGS THAT START
HAPPENING HERE.
>> Narrator: IF ONLY FOR A
FLASH, IT SEEMS THE REPTILIAN
BENEATH HER SKIN IS EXPOSED.
>> THAT'S THE MOST BIZARRE THING
I'VE EVER SEEN.
>> REALLY BIZARRE-LOOKING.
>> Narrator: THE REVELATIONS
KEEP COMING.
INVESTIGATOR JUNE SARPONG FINDS
THE LATEST FROM RADIO HOST AND
CONSPIRACY RESEARCHER
CLYDE LEWIS.
>> I'M INVESTIGATING THE CASE OF
SUSAN REED.
HER REAL NAME IS JENNY GOSBELL.
SHE WROTE THE BOOK
"THE BODY SNATCHERS."
>> Narrator: "THE BODY
SNATCHERS" IS THE STORY OF THE
AUTHOR'S ALLEGED AFFAIR WITH A
REPTILIAN DISGUISED IN A HUMAN
BODY.
>> SHE WAS HOPING SHE COULD GET
THE WORD OUT ABOUT THE AGENDA OF
THE REPTILIAN RACE.
>> Narrator: THE AGENDA --
>> SO, WHAT IS THE REPTILIAN
AGENDA?
>> Narrator: THE ANSWER IS
NOTHING JUNE OR ANYONE WOULD
EXPECT.
>> THE AGENDA IS TO COLONIZE AND
ALSO KILL 85% OF THE POPULATION.
>> 85%?
>> YES. THEY'RE HERE TO TAKE UP
ALL OF OUR RESOURCES AND POSSESS
AS MANY PEOPLE AS THEY CAN.
THIS IS WHAT SHE WAS TRYING TO
GET OUT THERE TO TRY AND STOP
IT.
>> SO WHAT HAPPENED TO HER?
>> WELL, MANY TIMES IN THE BOOK,
SHE SAID THAT SOMEONE WAS OUT TO
*** HER.
AND SURE ENOUGH, SHE WAS FOUND
DEAD BEHIND HER PLACE IN THE
BAHAMAS.
SHE WAS FOUND DROWNED.
>> Narrator: SUSAN REED WAS
KNOWN TO BE A STRONG SWIMMER.
HER BODY WAS FOUND FLOATING IN
WARM, CALM WATERS.
THERE WERE MULTIPLE LACERATIONS,
SEVERE BRUISING, AND A GASH TO
THE FOREHEAD.
ODDLY, POLICE RULED OUT FOUL
PLAY.
>> MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE,
INCLUDING HER OWN MOTHER, THAT
SHE WAS MURDERED.
>> WAS ANYONE EVER CHARGED?
>> NOT THAT I KNOW OF.
>> SO, WHO WOULD HAVE WANTED
SUSAN REED DEAD?
>> WELL, THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT
WERE OUT TO GET HER BECAUSE SHE
WAS TRYING TO TALK ABOUT THE
ALIEN AGENDA, SO THESE PEOPLE
PUSHING THE ALIEN AGENDA ARE
RESPONSIBLE FOR HER DEATH.
>> Ventura: THIS BOOK WAS
RELEASED, AND SHORTLY
THEREAFTER, SHE'S FOUND DEAD IN
THE WATER?
>> YEAH, IN THE BAHAMAS.
>> WAS IT THE REPTILIAN ORDER OR
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PUSHING THE
REPTILIAN CONSPIRACY THAT KILLED
HER?
>> THEY BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A
REPTILIAN ORDER WHO DO NOT WANT
THIS INFORMATION COMING OUT.
>> Ventura: WELL, HEY, AS CRAZY
AS IT IS, WE SHOULD INVESTIGATE
THIS TO PROVE IT OTHERWISE, IF
FOR ONE THING.
IF IT IS A BUNCH OF BULL, THEN
LET'S EXPOSE IT FOR WHAT IT IS.
>> WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH THIS
UNIVERSE, WE'RE DEALING OUTSIDE
OF OUR THREE-DIMENSIONAL REALITY
HERE.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PROVE IT.
>> Ventura: IT'S VERY DIFFICULT
FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND OUTSIDE OF
MY THREE-DIMENSIONAL REALITY.
>> IN FACT, A FRIEND OF MINE --
SHE'S A CHANNEL, SO SHE HAS THAT
POTENTIAL.
>> Ventura: YOU KNOW A LOT OF
STRANGE PEOPLE, IT SEEMS, SEAN.
>> Narrator: THE TEAM IS ABOUT
TO FIND OUT HOW STRANGE.
SEAN'S FRIEND THE CHANNELER
COMES THROUGH.
SHE SETS UP A MEETING WITH A
WOMAN NAMED JUJU.
JUJU SAYS SHE'S A REPTILIAN.
>> WHEN DID YOU FIRST BECOME
AWARE OF YOUR ANCESTRY OR WHO
YOU ARE?
>> WHEN I WAS BORN, I KNEW I WAS
DIFFERENT.
I'VE ALWAYS KNOWN.
I JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE WORDS OR
THE KNOWLEDGE TO DESCRIBE WHAT
IT WAS.
>> WE'VE SEEN CERTAIN
SHAPE-SHIFTING ON TV WHERE THEY
FREEZE THE MONITOR, AND THEIR
EYES ALL OF A SUDDEN BECOME
DRAGON SLITS.
DOES THAT HAPPEN TO YOU?
>> YES.
>> I MEAN, DO YOU FEEL IT?
IT'S A PRESSURE IN YOUR EYE, AND
THE SLITS WILL FORM.
MY FRIEND, WHO WAS LOOKING AT
ME, SAW ME SHIFT, AND SHE
STARTED STUTTERING, AND IT
FREAKED HER OUT.
AND SHE GOES, "OH, MY GOD, YOUR
EYES."
I THINK THE REPTILIAN SIDE OF ME
JUST WANTED TO POP OUT AND SAY,
"LOOK," YOU KNOW?
>> BUT YOU CAN ALSO FULLY
SHAPE-SHIFT?
>> IT'S NOT SOMETHING SAFE TO
DO.
IF I'M IN THE GROCERY STORE,
SHOPPING -- FIRST OF ALL, I'D
LOSE MY CLOTHES.
MY TAIL WOULD POP OUT.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE REALLY
HARD TO DEAL WITH.
>> Narrator: THEN, SUDDENLY,
JUJU ACTS STRANGELY.
>> I CAN DEFINITELY FEEL IT
RIGHT NOW.
IT'S STRONG.
>> Narrator: AFTER ALL THIS TALK
OF SHAPE-SHIFTING, IS IT
HAPPENING NOW?
COMING UP...
JUJU EXPOSES THE REPTILIAN
WITHIN.
>> I SAW HER EYES SHIFT THEN.
>> Narrator: THEN...
IS THE U.S. GOVERNMENT HIDING
REPTILIANS...
>> Ventura: THEY OCCUPY UNDER
THE GROUND?
>> Narrator: ...ON A SECRET
MILITARY BASE?
>> Ventura: BASICALLY, WE OCCUPY
ABOVE THE GROUND?
>> Narrator: AND LATER...
>> Ventura: IS THAT WHAT THIS IS
REALLY ABOUT -- MAKING MONEY?
>> NO.
>> Narrator: SHOWDOWN WITH THE
MAN BEHIND THE CONSPIRACY
THEORY.
>> I THOUGHT THIS WAS GONNA BE A
SERIOUS CONVERSATION.
>> Ventura: YOU'RE INSULTING ME
AND SAYING IT'S NOT?
>> Narrator: JESSE VENTURA'S
INVESTIGATORS ARE MEETING WITH A
WOMAN WHO HAS A UNIQUE
ABILITY -- THE ABILITY TO
SHAPE-SHIFT INTO A LIZARD.
>> DO YOU FEEL IT ANYWHERE?
>> I CAN FEEL IT.
>> Narrator: AND SHE MAY BE
ABOUT TO DO IT RIGHT NOW.
IF JUJU DID SHAPE-SHIFT, IT WAS
TOO QUICK TO BE SEEN BY THE
NAKED EYE.
>> IT'S A SIDE OF ME THAT I
CAN'T CONTROL.
>> Narrator: BUT SHE'S NOT
FINISHED YET.
>> I'M GLAD I CAN'T VOLUNTARILY
DO IT, BECAUSE I'D BE DOING IT
ALL THE TIME.
PEOPLE -- THE FIRST THING THEY
WANT TO DO IS SHOOT YOU.
VERY DANGEROUS TO DO.
>> THAT HAS HAPPENED?
>> YES.
WHEN I WAS IN BED SLEEPING, MY
PARTNER WOKE UP AND TURNED OVER
AND SAW THIS HUGE REPTILIAN
LAYING NEXT TO HER.
SHE SAID THE ONLY REASON WHY SHE
DIDN'T RUN OUT OF THE ROOM
SCREAMING [LAUGHS] WAS BECAUSE
SHE COULD ACTUALLY SEE MY
CHARACTERISTICS WITHIN IN, EVEN
THOUGH THE EXTRA EYELID WAS KIND
OF MOVING.
>> Narrator: JUJU SAYS THE REST
OF HER FAMILY LIVE ON A FAR-OFF
PLANET.
PSYCHIC CHANNELER
CASSANDRA VANZANT IS HERE TO
CONNECT HER WITH THEM.
VANZANT IS SPEAKING FOR THE
REPTILIANS.
>> GREETINGS.
WE HAVE COME FAR.
WE HAVE COME FOR YOU.
WE HAVE COME BECAUSE YOU HAVE
ASKED US TO HEAR.
THERE IS NO FEAR WITH US, FOR WE
COME TO YOU.
>> Narrator: JUJU TALKS BACK IN
HER NATIVE REPTILIAN TONGUE.
[ CONVERSING IN REPTILIAN
LANGUAGE ]
IT'S A LONG-AWAITED FAMILY
REUNION.
[ CONVERSING IN REPTILIAN
LANGUAGE ]
FOR JUJU, IT'S OVERWHELMING.
SEAN STONE LISTENS INTENTLY.
[ CONVERSING IN REPTILIAN
LANGUAGE ]
SKEPTIC TYREL VENTURA WATCHES
FOR SIGNS OF FAKERY WHEN
SUDDENLY, HE THINKS HE SEES
SOMETHING HE MISSED EARLIER.
>> I SAW HER EYES SHIFT THEN.
DID YOU SEE HER EYES SHIFT?
NO. YOU DIDN'T SEE THAT?
>> JUJU'S?
>> YEAH.
I MEAN, THEY LOOKED LIKE SLITS.
THEY WERE TALKING TO SOME STAR
SYSTEM FROM WAY UP IN THE
GALAXY, AND I'M NOT BELIEVING A
WORD OF IT, YOU KNOW?
AS THIS WOMAN'S, LIKE, TALKING
IN TONGUES OR HER LANGUAGE, I
DON'T KNOW.
I JUST NOTICED THAT HER EYES
SEEMED TO HAVE LIKE SLITS.
THEY LOOKED LIKE HER PUPILS WERE
UP AND DOWN, LIKE A REPTILE'S.
>> AND, SEAN, YOU WERE THERE.
DID YOU SEE THIS?
>> NO. I WAS SITTING KIND OF
LIKE HE IS, AND SHE WAS FACING
MORE TOWARDS TY, SO I WASN'T
WATCHING HER EYES.
I MEAN, IT WAS A REALLY BIZARRE
SITUATION TO SIT IN.
>> Ventura: WELL, YOU'RE THE ONE
THAT HAS TO BE CONVINCED MORE
THAN SEAN.
>> TRUE.
>> Ventura: SEAN'S PART OF THE
PROGRAM.
>> Narrator: NOW TYREL'S BUYING
IN, JESSE'S GOT NO CHOICE BUT TO
TAKE THIS TO THE NEXT STEP.
>> JESSE, NICE TO MEET YOU, TOO.
>> Ventura: HI, JOHN.
>> Narrator: HE AGREES TO MEET
JOHN RHODES.
RHODES RUNS THE
REPTOID RESEARCH CENTER.
HE CALLS HIMSELF A REPTILIAN
HUNTER.
>> Ventura: JOHN, LOOK, I AIN'T
NEVER SEEN NO LIZARD MAN OR NO
REPTILE/HUMANOID THING.
>> HEY, LISTEN, THERE'S A LOT OF
SKEPTICS OUT THERE, AND IT'S A
HEALTHY THING.
>> Narrator: THE REPTILIAN
HUNTER IS DEFINITELY ABOUT TO
TAKE THINGS TO A NEW LEVEL WITH
STARTLING INFORMATION.
>> I'M TELLING YOU THAT THERE'S
A LOT OF EVIDENCE SHOWING THAT
DULCE, NEW MEXICO, IS ACTUALLY A
SECRET LOCATION FOR A GENETICS
LAB RUN BY THE U.S. MILITARY.
>> HOW DOES THAT PERTAIN TO
REPTILIANS?
>> IT PERTAINS TO REPTILIANS
BECAUSE THE INFORMATION THAT
WE'RE GETTING FROM RELIABLE
SOURCES SAY THAT THERE ARE OTHER
BEINGS OPERATING THE CENTER THAT
ARE NOT HUMAN, AND THEY DESCRIBE
THEM AS BEING THEM AS BEING
REPTILIAN, HUMANOID BEINGS,
PRIMARILY HUMANOID BODY WITH
REPTILIAN FEATURES TO IT.
>> Narrator: AN UNDERGROUND BASE
WHERE REPTILIANS ARE HATCHING
THEIR PLOT.
>> Ventura: WHAT YOU'RE TELLING
ME IS THESE --
>> HUMANOID REPTILIANS.
>> Ventura: OR REPTILIANS, AS
YOU CALL THEM, AND THEY OCCUPY
UNDER THE GROUND, AND BASICALLY
WE OCCUPY ABOVE THE GROUND?
>> VERY DANGEROUS SURFACE HERE.
>> Narrator: AT LAST A SOLID
LEAD -- A GOVERNMENT PROGRAM
HIDING REPTILIANS ON A SECRET
MILITARY BASE.
THAT'S A CONSPIRACY.
>> Ventura: I'LL TELL YOU WHAT,
YOU DON'T SEEM CRAZY TO ME.
YOU SEEM EXCEPTIONALLY
INTELLIGENT TO ME.
SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU THE
BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.
LET'S GO REPTILIAN HUNTING.
>> Narrator: NEXT ON
"CONSPIRACY THEORY," JESSE AND
HIS TEAM GO HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH
THE REPTILIANS.
>> Ventura: WHAT DO YOU THINK
WE'D NEED TO KNOCK THEM DOWN
WITH IF WE HAD TO GO TO WAR WITH
THEM?
>> Narrator: THEN ALL HELL
BREAKS LOOSE...
>> I DON'T WANT TO GO.
OH, MY GOD.
>> Narrator: ...AS THEY CLOSE IN
ON THE UNDERGROUND LAIR.
>> WHERE DO THEY GO TO?
>> Ventura: WE DON'T KNOW.
>> THIS ONE'S GOING UNDERGROUND.
>> Narrator: AND LATER...
>> LISTEN. LISTEN A MINUTE.
>> Narrator: ...JESSE CONFRONTS
THE MAN BEHIND THE CONSPIRACY
THEORY.
>> Ventura: WAIT A MINUTE.
YOU LISTEN.
>> ARE YOU JOHN?
>> SEAN.
>> Narrator: JESSE VENTURA'S
INVESTIGATION INTO A REPTILIAN
CONSPIRACY HAS LED TO DULCE,
NEW MEXICO...
LONG RUMORED TO BE THE SITE OF
AN UNDERGROUND BASE WHERE
REPTILIANS MASQUERADE AS
MILITARY OFFICIALS CARRYING OUT
A PLOT TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD.
>> THIS LOCATION IN DULCE,
NEW MEXICO, IS ACTUALLY A SECRET
GENETICS LAB RUN BY THE U.S.
MILITARY AND BEINGS OPERATING
THE CENTER THAT ARE REPTILIAN
HUMANOIDS.
>> Ventura: THIS REPTILIAN
HUNTER, JOHN RHODES, SAYS HE'LL
TAKE US TO AN UNDERGROUND BASE
FULL OF LIZARD PEOPLE.
BUT FIRST, ME AND THE BOYS HAVE
SOME PREPARING TO DO --
TARGET PRACTICE.
IF THESE REPTILIANS ARE REAL,
WHAT DO YOU THINK WE'D NEED TO
KNOCK THEM DOWN WITH IF WE HAD
TO GO TO WAR WITH THEM?
HEY, I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE GOING
IN ARMED, BUT THESE REPTILIANS
COULD BE 9' TALL, STRONG, AND
FAST, SO MAYBE WE SHOULD.
LITTLE MORE RAPID NOW, SEAN.
YOU'VE GOT REPTILIAN CHARGING.
THERE'S THREE OF THEM.
YOU CAN'T BE SITTING AROUND.
>> CUT HIM IN HALF WITH THAT
ONE.
>> Narrator: THE NEXT MORNING,
THE TEAM ASSEMBLES AT THE EDGE
OF AN INDIAN RESERVATION NEAR
DULCE.
CONSPIRACY THEORISTS SAY THIS IS
THE SITE OF THE HIDDEN BASE,
HEADQUARTERS FOR A REPTILIAN
ARMY.
SEAN'S BROUGHT ALONG ONE OF HIS
CONTACTS, A PSYCHIC NAMED ANYA.
REPTILIAN HUNTER JOHN RHODES HAS
AN APACHE GUIDE NAMED
WAYNE VELARDE.
>> PLEASURE.
>> Narrator: THEY SAY THEY'VE
GOT CLEAR EVIDENCE OF ACTIVITY
UNDERGROUND.
>> Ventura: SO, WAIT A MINUTE.
THIS POWER LINE COMES OFF OF
THIS LINE.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, IT RUNS UP
ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP OF THE
HILL.
NOW, FOR SURE WE KNOW IT ENDS
THERE?
YOU KNOW THAT IT ENDS THERE?
IT DOESN'T CONTINUE OVER?
>> Narrator: POWER LINES BRANCH
OFF AND LEAD UP TO MESA.
>> Ventura: DOES IT GO INTO THE
GROUND?
>> IT TERMINATES.
>> Ventura: WHAT, IN YOUR
OPINION, DOES IT LEAD TO?
>> I BELIEVE POWER LINES LEAD
UNDERGROUND IN THIS AREA TO AN
UNDERGROUND BASE -- A MILITARY,
SCIENTIFIC, UNDERGROUND BASE.
>> Narrator: WHATEVER'S UNDER
THAT HILL REQUIRES A LOT OF
POWER.
LINES LIKE THESE CAN CARRY HALF
A MILLION VOLTS.
>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE OF
THE MOST ADVANCED GOVERNMENTS ON
EARTH, THAT COULD ACTUALLY TAKE
A PHONE POLE, HOLLOW IT DOWN
THROUGH THE CENTER, AND ROUTE
WIRES DOWN THROUGH THE CENTER,
GOING -- ABSOLUTELY -- DIRECTLY
UNDERGROUND.
>> Ventura: THIS GOES TO A BASE.
WELL, A BASE, OBVIOUSLY, YOU'VE
GOT TO DIG IT OUT.
>> WHAT THIS COMES DOWN TO IS IN
1972, THE U.S. GOVERNMENT HAD
DEVELOPED TECHNOLOGY FOR BORING
MACHINES THAT LITERALLY MELT
THROUGH ROCK.
THEY FOUND OUT THERE WAS A WAY
TO EASILY TUNNEL INTO THE EARTH
AND BE HIDDEN FROM SATELLITES.
>> Ventura: BUT THEY STILL HAD
TO START FROM SOMEWHERE.
WHERE DID THEY START?
IN LOS ALAMOS?
>> YES.
>> Ventura: HOW MANY MILES IS
LOS ALAMOS FROM HERE?
>> 120 MAYBE.
>> 120?
>> Narrator: DRILLING AN
UNDERGROUND TUNNEL FROM THE
HEAVILY GUARDED LOS ALAMOS
NATIONAL LABORATORIES -- THAT'S
WILD ENOUGH.
BUT RHODES SAYS THERE'S MORE
EVIDENCE.
IN THE MIDDLE OF THESE FIELDS,
OPENINGS.
THEY COULD BE ENTRANCES TO THE
BASE.
>> WHERE DO THEY GO TO?
>> Ventura: WE DON'T KNOW.
THIS ONE ENDS.
>> THIS ONE'S GOING UNDERGROUND.
>> Ventura: AND I DON'T KNOW IF
YOU CAN TELL IT SOUNDS LIKE.
[ METAL CLINKING ]
>> I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, THERE'S A WEIRD LITTLE
CONCRETE THING IN THE RUBBLE
OVER HERE.
>> WHAT DOES RHODES SAY?
JOHN, COME ON.
YOU'VE BEEN AROUND HERE LONG
ENOUGH.
YOU MUST KNOW ABOUT SOME KIND OF
ENTRY POINTS OR EXIT POINTS TO
THIS BASE.
MUST HAVE HEARD SOMETHING BY
NOW.
>> WELL, THE THING IS, YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT A SECRET BASE.
EVERY SINGLE ENTRANCE AND EXIT
ARE GONNA BE VERY WELL HIDDEN.
YOU GOT TO REMEMBER, SOME OF
THESE THINGS ARE EVEN GOING
THROUGH ICE CAVES AND STUFF TO
TRY AND COOL DOWN THE
TEMPERATURES LEAVING THE BASE,
SO EVEN THERMAL IMAGING DOESN'T
PICK IT UP FROM A SATELLITE.
>> Narrator: JOHN RHODES SEEMS
TO HAVE AN ANSWER FOR
EVERYTHING, BUT NO ONE'S SPOTTED
AN ACTUAL REPTILIAN.
AND THEN, SUDDENLY, THE PSYCHIC
PICKS UP SOMETHING --
>> I FEEL LIKE I'M GONNA THROW
UP.
I DON'T CARE.
I'M GONNA GO IN THERE, BUT I
DON'T WANT TO GO.
OH, MY GOD.
>> Narrator: -- A POWERFUL
SENSATION THAT REPTILIANS ARE
NEAR.
>> OH, SHE'S MOVING, SHE'S
MOVING, SHE'S MOVING, SHE'S
MOVING.
>> RIGHT HERE. [ SOBS ]
RIGHT HERE.
HERE, RIGHT HERE, RIGHT HERE.
>> WHAT ARE YOU GETTING?
>> OH, MY GOD.
>> Narrator: COMING UP...
THE PSYCHIC FACES THE
REPTILIANS...
>> THEY'RE NOT GONNA LET ME GO
IN THERE.
>> Narrator: AND LATER, JESSE
CONFRONTS...
>> Ventura: DON'T GET OFFENDED
THAT I ASK HARD QUESTIONS.
>> Narrator: ...THE MAN WHO
STARTED IT ALL --
>> Ventura: WAIT.
BEFORE YOU GET ALL UPPITY WITH
ME.....
>> Narrator: -- THE FATHER OF
THE REPTILIAN CONSPIRACY.
YOU WON'T WANT TO MISS THIS
EXPLOSIVE CONFRONTATION.
>> Narrator: JESSE VENTURA AND
HIS TEAM ARE IN DULCE,
NEW MEXICO, THE ALLEGED SITE OF
AN UNDERGROUND REPTILIAN BASE.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR EVIDENCE
WHEN SEAN STONE'S PSYCHIC PAL
SUDDENLY SENSES REPTILIANS.
>> WHAT IS IT?
REPTILIAN?
COME HERE.
>> [ SOBS ]
THEY'RE NOT GONNA LET ME GO IN
THERE.
>> IT'S ALL RIGHT.
NOTHING'S GONNA CATCH YOU.
YOU'RE RIGHT HERE.
YOU'RE RIGHT IN THE OPEN.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S GONNA
COME OUT.
>> Narrator: ANYA MIGHT BE
FEELING THE PRESENCE OF
REPTILIANS...
>> RIGHT HERE.
>> Narrator: ...BUT JESSE'S NOT
FEELING ANYTHING.
>> THAT SPOT RIGHT THERE.
>> Narrator: HE'S ABOUT READY TO
PACK IT IN WHEN REPTILIAN HUNTER
JOHN RHODES SAYS HE'LL SHOW HIM
AN ENTRANCE TO THE BASE.
BUT WHEN THEY ARRIVE...
IT'S FULL OF WATER, FLOODED.
>> Ventura: DO YOU THINK THEY
RUN THE WATER TO KEEP PEOPLE
OUT?
>> YES.
>> THESE ARE OPENINGS INTO THE
EARTH THAT PEOPLE WOULD PASS BY,
NEVER GIVE IT A SECOND THOUGHT.
>> THIS COULD ESSENTIALLY TURN
RIGHT INTO A TUNNEL THAT YOU
COULD WALK INTO.
>> RIGHT.
>> Ventura: AND IT'S HOW LONG?
ABOUT THREE MILES?
>> THREE MILES.
>> Ventura: DO THEY?
>> YEAH. THE GOVERNMENT.
>> Ventura: OKAY.
RIGHT. THE GOVERNMENT.
WE'RE NOT GETTING IN.
AND LIKE I'VE ALWAYS SAID, IF I
DON'T SEE IT, I DON'T BELIEVE
IT.
IF IT'S NOT TRUE, I'M NOT ONLY
GONNA BLOW THE LID OFF THIS, I'M
GONNA BLOW THE LID OFF YOU TWO.
WELL, I'LL GIVE THE GUYS A
BREAK.
THEY'RE NEW.
BUT I'M GONNA GET TO THE BOTTOM
OF THIS.
I'M NOT BUYING THAT THERE'S
REPTILIANS RUNNING AROUND HERE
IN OUR WORLD MASKING AS OUR
LEADERS.
>> YEAH.
I'M NOT BUYING IT EITHER.
>> COULDN'T THERE BE REALITY TO
THIS OTHER DIMENSION?
>> YEAH, BUT LET'S TAKE A STEP
BACK.
PEOPLE THAT BELIEVE IN THIS
CONSPIRACY -- WHY DID THEY
BELIEVE?
A BIG REASON -- DAVID ICKE.
>> Ventura: THERE YOU GO.
THAT'S OUR CATCH HERE.
YEAH, THE MORE WE INVESTIGATE,
THE MORE IT GOES BACK TO ONE
GUY.
>> Narrator: DAVID ICKE, ONE OF
THE WORLD'S MOST POPULAR
CONSPIRACY THEORISTS.
HE USED TO BE A TV SPORTSCASTER
UNTIL 1991, WHEN HE WENT ON A
TALK SHOW AND ANNOUNCED HE WAS
THE SON OF GOD.
>> I AM THE SON OF GOD.
I AM AN ASPECT OF THE SOUL OF
THE GODHEAD INCARNATE BECAUSE OF
THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE ON
THIS PLANET URGENTLY.
>> WAS IT A GREAT SHOCK FOR YOU
TO DISCOVER THIS AT 38?
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> YOU KNOW, THE BEST WAY OF
REMOVING NEGATIVITY IS TO LAUGH
AND BE JOYOUS.
SO I'M DELIGHTED THAT THERE'S SO
MUCH LAUGHTER IN THE AUDIENCE
TONIGHT.
[ LAUGHTER ]
BUT JUST LET ME SAY THIS --
>> THEY'RE LAUGHING AT YOU.
THEY'RE NOT LAUGHING WITH YOU.
>> FINE.
[ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ]
>> Narrator: IN 1999, ICKE TOOK
A BUNCH OF NEW-AGE PHILOSOPHIES,
ALTERNATIVE HISTORY, AND
PARANOIA AND TIED THEM TOGETHER
IN A BOOK THAT LAUNCHED THE
REPTILIAN CONSPIRACY.
IN THE TIME SINCE, HE'S TURNED
HIS HOMEGROWN THEORY INTO A
PERSONAL MONEY MINT.
>> Ventura: OH, YEAH, HE'S GOT
HIS CRITICS.
ONE OF THEM IS MY TIPSTER,
ALEX JONES.
>> I DON'T BLAME PEOPLE FOR
LOOKING IN TO THIS, BECAUSE SO
MANY ANCIENT CULTURES AND EVEN
THE BIBLE ITSELF WITH THE SNAKE
WRITE ABOUT THIS.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT
BECOMES A DIVERSION.
IT SELLS US ON THE IDEA THAT
WE'RE POWERLESS AND IT'S SOME
OFF-WORLD GROUP RUNNING OUR
PLANET.
>> Ventura: SO WHAT ARE YOU
TELLING ME, THAT THEY'RE SENDING
ME OFF ON A WILD-GOOSE CHASE ON
THIS DEAL?
>> I DON'T THINK IT'S A
WILD-GOOSE CHASE OVERALL,
BECAUSE THE GLOBALISTS ARE
DEFINITELY IN TO SOME WEIRD
STUFF.
I'M SIMPLY SAYING THAT IT TENDS
TO DISCREDIT ALL THE THINGS WE
CAN PROVE, BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE
PROVEN.
AS YOU ALWAYS SAY, SHOW YOU.
>> Ventura: YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
>> BUT SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE,
LIKE DAVID ICKE, HAVE BEEN
ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN, SAYING OUR
RULING CLASS IS OFF-WORLD.
>> Ventura: YEP.
MY INSTINCTS WERE RIGHT.
DAVID ICKE.
>> I THINK YOU SHOULD TALK TO
DAVID ICKE.
YEARS AGO, I SAID THAT HE WAS
THE *** IN THE PUNCH BOWL,
BECAUSE HE DISCREDITS ALL THE
SERIOUS STUFF WE COVER.
SO IF I WAS YOU, I WOULD GO
RIGHT TO THE HEAD OF THE SNAKE.
I WOULD GO RIGHT TO DAVID ICKE
AND SAY, "HEY, PUT UP OR SHUT
UP.
SHOW ME THE PROOF OF THE
REPTOIDS."
>> Narrator: NOW THE ONLY
PROBLEM IS TRACKING HIM DOWN.
TODAY, DAVID ICKE IS A ONE-MAN
CONSPIRACY CONGLOMERATE, ALWAYS
ON THE MOVE, TRAVELING THE
WORLD, GIVING LECTURES THAT ARE
MORE LIKE ROCK CONCERTS --
ALL-DAY AFFAIRS THAT ATTRACT
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE AT A TIME AT
ROCK-STAR TICKET PRICES.
JESSE FINALLY CATCHES UP WITH
DAVID ICKE.
HE STAKES HIM OUT AT A SOLD-OUT
APPEARANCE IN CLEVELAND, OHIO.
THEN JESSE CORNERS HIM
BACKSTAGE.
IT'S TIME TO PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
>> Ventura: OKAY, WE CHASE
THINGS DOWN.
I'VE BEEN CHASING ALL OVER THE
COUNTRYSIDE.
I'VE BEEN AS FAR AS DULCE,
NEW MEXICO, AND ALL THIS,
LOOKING FOR THESE REPTILIAN
PEOPLE.
>> MM-HMM.
>> Ventura: I HAVEN'T FOUND ANY.
>> AND?
>> Ventura: WELL, THAT'S WHY I'M
COMING TO YOU.
YOU'RE THE NOTED EXPERT, AND
EVERYBODY'S GEARED ME AND
FOCUSED ME TOWARDS YOU.
AND THEY TELL ME YOU GOT THE
ANSWERS HERE.
>> WELL, WHO'S GOT ALL THE
ANSWERS?
NONE OF US REALLY.
BUT WE'VE ALL GOT SOME OF THE
ANSWERS.
>> Ventura: I'VE BEEN ON THE
PLANET 60 YEARS.
>> SO HAVE I.
>> Ventura: I HAVE NOT SEEN A
REPTILIAN YET.
TELL ME WHERE TO GO TO SEE ONE.
>> THEY OPERATE OUTSIDE OF THIS
VISIBLE LIGHT, WHICH I STARTED
TALKING ABOUT.
>> Ventura: AH, SO WE CAN'T SEE
THEM?
THEY'RE JUST IMAGINARY?
>> I MEAN, YOU KNOW, NOT
EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS EXISTS
WITHIN VISIBLE LIGHT.
THIS ROOM IS FULL OF RADIO
STATIONS, RIGHT, BROADCASTING TO
CLEVELAND.
>> Ventura: SO HOW DO I TURN THE
RADIO ON AND SEE A REPTILIAN?
ONE THING I CAN SEE -- I CAN SEE
THIS IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF
DOUBLE TALK.
>> THEY ARE --
>> Ventura: TELL ME WHAT I GOT
TO DO TO SEE ONE.
IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION.
SHAPE-SHIFTERS -- I WANT TO SEE
A SHAPE-SHIFTER.
>> IT'S JUST AN EXPERIENCE.
>> Ventura: GIVE ME SOME PROOF.
>> MY LAST BOOK WAS 355,000
WORDS, NEARLY 700 PAGES.
THAT'S THERE TO BE READ IN
DETAIL.
>> Ventura: THIS GUY EXPECTS ME
TO READ 700 PAGES TO GET A
SIMPLE ANSWER?
I'M ASKING YOU RIGHT NOW, TELL
ME SOME PROOF WHERE I CAN GO SEE
ONE OF THESE SHAPE-SHIFTING
LIZARDS.
WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO TO PROVE IT
TO MYSELF?
>> YOU HAVE TO EITHER BE IN A
SITUATION WHERE IT HAPPENS --
>> Ventura: ARE MOST OF OUR
LEADERS THIS?
>> THEY ENTER VISIBLE LIGHT.
YOU SEE THEM.
THEY DO OCCASIONALLY.
>> Ventura: ALL RIGHT, YOU GOT A
BIG LIST OF ALL THESE WORLD
LEADERS THAT YOU SAY ARE THESE
SHAPE-SHIFTING HYBRIDS.
AM I ONE?
>> I HAVE NO IDEA.
>> Ventura: WELL, YOU'RE TELLING
ME YOU CAN'T ANSWER ANYTHING,
THAT I NEED TO SIT THROUGH NINE
HOURS OF YOUR DISCUSSION TO
GRASP WHAT YOU'RE GONNA TALK
ABOUT.
AND THEN IF I SIT THROUGH THIS
NINE HOURS, WILL IT THEN COME
CLEAR TO ME?
>> IT DEPENDS WHAT YOU MAKE OF
THE INFORMATION.
>> Ventura: YOU'RE DEFLECTING IT
FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND
PUTTING IT ONTO ME, THAT I HAVE
TO BE OPEN-MINDED ENOUGH TO
ACCEPT EVERYTHING THAT YOU TALK
ABOUT.
>> WHAT BLOODY RUBBISH.
I'M PUTTING INFORMATION OUT THAT
DOESN'T NORMALLY GET THERE --
>> Ventura: IS THE INFORMATION
ACCURATE?
YEAH, IT GETS DOWN TO THAT.
HE'S PUSHING THE THEORY, BUT
HE'S NOT TAKING RESPONSIBILITY.
>> YOU KNOW, YOU KEEP USING THIS
WORD "EXPERT."
NOW, WHAT IS REQUIRED?
IT'S AN OPEN MIND.
>> Ventura: OR IS IT AN
IMAGINATION?
>> NO, JESSE.
YOU CAN TAKE IT AS YOU WANT.
BUT WHAT YOU NEED IS AN OPEN
MIND, AND THEN YOU SPEND 21
YEARS, AS I HAVE, TRAVELING TO
55 COUNTRIES, RESEARCHING THIS
FULL-TIME 10 AND MORE HOURS A
DAY.
>> Ventura: HOW DO YOU GET PAID?
>> I GET PAID BY THE BOOKS THAT
I SELL.
>> Ventura: 'CAUSE, I MEAN,
THAT'S A LOT OF RESOURCES,
SPENDING 21 YEARS GOING TO 55
COUNTRIES AND DOING THIS TYPE OF
RESEARCH.
YOU GOT TO HAVE SOME MONEY
BEHIND YOU TO DO THAT.
>> WELL, NOT REALLY.
YOU KNOW, I'VE COME TO AMERICA.
I'M RESEARCHING NOW, AND I'M
SPEAKING.
THEREFORE, IT WILL PAY FOR
ITSELF.
AND, YOU KNOW, I WENT --
>> Ventura: IS THAT WHAT THIS IS
REALLY ABOUT -- MAKING MONEY?
>> NO. [ SCOFFS ]
>> Narrator: UP NEXT...
>> LISTEN A MINUTE.
>> Ventura: WAIT A MINUTE.
YOU LISTEN.
>> Narrator: ...THE REPTILIAN
CONFRONTATION GETS EVEN
HOTTER --
>> I THOUGHT THIS WAS GONNA BE A
SERIOUS CONVERSATION.
>> Ventura: YOU'RE INSULTING ME
AND SAYING IT'S NOT?
>> Narrator: -- A LOT HOTTER.
>> Ventura: THAT'S MIGHTY BRAVE
OF HIM TO SAY THAT WHEN HE
LEAVES THE ROOM.
>> Ventura: JESSE VENTURA'S
INVESTIGATION INTO A REPTILIAN
CONSPIRACY HAS LED TO
DAVID ICKE.
HE'S THE ONE WHO COMBINED
VARIOUS THEORIES AND
PHILOSOPHIES AND CAME UP WITH
THE IDEA THAT MANY OF THE
WORLD'S LEADERS ARE
SHAPE-SHIFTING, BLOOD-DRINKING
REPTILES.
>> Ventura: I HAVE NOT SEEN A
REPTILIAN YET.
TELL ME WHERE TO GO TO SEE ONE.
>> Narrator: SINCE 1999, THE
REPTILIAN CONSPIRACY THEORY HAS
MEANT BIG MONEY FOR DAVID ICKE.
ONE ANALYSIS SHOWS THAT ICKE
RAKES IN MORE THAN $100,000 A
YEAR FROM HIS BOOKS AND DVDs,
CLOSE TO $250,000 FROM HIS
WEBSITE, OVER $1.5 MILLION FROM
HIS SPEAKING TOURS.
THAT'S ALMOST $2 MILLION A YEAR.
>> Ventura: IS THAT WHAT THIS IS
REALLY ABOUT -- MAKING MONEY?
>> NO.
>> Ventura: AND, LOOK, I GOT TO
ASK THE HARD QUESTIONS, DAVID.
>> THAT'S NOT A HARD QUESTION,
JESSE.
>> Ventura: SURE IT IS.
>> NO, IT'S NOT.
>> Ventura: WAIT.
>> LISTEN A MINUTE.
>> Ventura: WAIT A MINUTE.
YOU LISTEN.
>> I THOUGHT THIS WAS GONNA BE A
SERIOUS CONVERSATION.
>> Ventura: YOU'RE INSULTING ME
AND SAYING IT'S NOT?
>> I WENT THROUGHOUT THE '90s
HOLDING ON FOR DEAR LIFE
FINANCIALLY.
I COULDN'T GO DOWN ANY STREET IN
BRITAIN WITHOUT BEING LAUGHED AT
BY VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY.
>> Ventura: OKAY.
>> YOU TALK ABOUT BEING
INSULTED.
WHEN YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT,
AND YOU SAY, "IS IT JUST ABOUT
THE MONEY?"
>> Ventura: I'VE BEEN THROUGH
IT.
DON'T GET OFFENDED THAT I ASK
HARD QUESTIONS.
>> THEY'RE NOT HARD QUESTIONS.
>> Ventura: WELL, GOOD.
THEN DON'T GET UPSET.
>> "ARE YOU DOING IT FOR THE
MONEY?"
THAT'S A HARD QUESTION?
>> Ventura: THEN DON'T GET
UPSET.
>> CRIKEY.
>> Ventura: I'M ASKING QUESTIONS
THAT I AS A REGULAR CITIZEN
WOULD ASK YOU.
>> FINE. AND I WAS LED TO
BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS GONNA BE
AN INTERVIEW ABOUT WHAT WAS
GOING ON IN THE WORLD.
>> Ventura: IT IS.
>> AND NOW WE'RE INTO THIS.
>> Ventura: I'M DOING AN
INTERVIEW.
I WANT TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND
WHY YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU BELIEVE
AND WHAT FACTS YOU HAVE TO BACK
UP WHAT YOU BELIEVE.
>> WELL, EXACTLY.
SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?
>> Ventura: I'M ASKING
QUESTIONS.
LET ME EXPLAIN. WAIT.
BEFORE YOU GET ALL UPPITY WITH
ME, SO THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT
CAN BE SIMPLY ANSWERED YES OR
NO?
>> YEAH. GO ON, THEN.
>> Ventura: IS THERE A QUESTION
THAT YES OR NO?
>> AM I GOING TO TALK TODAY FOR
NINE HOURS?
YES, YES.
THERE'S A QUESTION FOR YOU.
>> Ventura: SO NINE HOURS IT
REQUIRES TO GET A YES OR NO
ANSWER ON SOMETHING?
>> I'VE JUST GIVEN YOU A YES OR
NO ANSWER.
>> Ventura: I'M GLAD I HAD THE
WORLD OF WRESTLING TO PREPARE ME
FOR THE INTERVIEW.
>> YEAH, YEAH.
>> Ventura: [ LAUGHS ]
>> Narrator: AND WITH THAT,
DAVID ICKE STORMS OFF.
>> THAT'S IT. NO MORE.
>> Ventura: HE TOLD ME TO
[BLEEP] OFF?
OH, THAT'S MIGHTY BRAVE OF HIM
TO SAY THAT WHEN HE LEAVES THE
ROOM.
WHY DIDN'T HE SAY IT IN FRONT OF
MY FACE?
HE'S ATTACKING ME FOR ASKING
QUESTIONS?
WHY WOULDN'T YOU ASK QUESTIONS
ABOUT SOMETHING AS BIZARRE AS
THIS?
SO DAVID ICKE AND I DIDN'T
EXACTLY HIT IT OFF.
HE'S GOT HIS RACKET, TALKING FOR
NINE HOURS AT A CLIP.
PEOPLE MUST WALK OUT OF THERE SO
EXHAUSTED, THEY BELIEVE THEY'RE
GREEN REPTILES.
BUT THIS CONSPIRACY IS A LOT
BIGGER THAN DAVID ICKE.
TOO MANY PEOPLE REALLY BELIEVE
THAT THEIR LIVES ARE CONTROLLED
BY LEADER WHO ARE HALF-HUMAN,
HALF-ALIEN REPTILES.
HOW CYNICAL ARE WE?
HOW FED UP CAN WE BE THAT WE
DECIDE OUR LEADERS ARE POWERFUL
ALIENS AND THAT IT'S USELESS TO
FIGHT BACK?
TAKE IT FROM ME, THERE ARE
FORCES OUT THERE THAT WANT TO
KEEP US DOWN, TO TAKE AWAY OUR
FREEDOMS, CONTROL HOW WE LIVE.
BUT THEY'RE PEOPLE, JUST HUMAN
BEINGS, JUST LIKE YOU AND ME.
KEEP FIGHTING.
I'M JESSE VENTURA, AND THIS IS
"CONSPIRACY THEORY."
[ CONVERSING IN REPTILIAN
LANGUAGE ]