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“Hallowed by Thy name. My Lord Kṛṣṇa, the Personality of
Godhead, let Your holy name be glorified.” This is our movement. It is
not a sectarian…
It is very scientific movement, scientific movement because at the
present moment we are all godless, forgotten what is God and what to
speak of His name. They do not believe in God and what to speak of His name,
fame, His place, His activities, His form, His qualities. How we can know?
There is no educational system about the science of God. This movement, Kṛṣṇa
consciousness movement, is teaching the science of God. And if you
accept the name of the God, name of God, Kṛṣṇa--this is also affirmed in other
system also--then you will be able to associate with God immediately.
Because God is Absolute. Absolute means there is no difference.
Just like in the relative world… This is relative world. Material
world means the relative world. Relative world means the son. As soon as I
say “the son,” there must be a father. As soon as I say, “friend,” there
must be another man, friend. As soon as I say, “water,” there must be something
as water. But in the Absolute world, the name water and the water is the
same. This is called Absolute, no different separation. So in the kingdom of
God, the God is God and His son is also God. There the everything--there is
no difference between the name and the substance. Here in this material
world the name and the substance different.
Just like if I am thirsty, I want water, so the water must come to
me. If I simply chant, “Water, water, water,” that will not be effective,
because it is relative world. But in the transcendental world, Kṛṣṇa is the
name of God and it is God also. So by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, you are directly in
contact with God. This is the meaning of Hare Kṛṣṇa, directly in
contact. Every one of us has got this experience.
Therefore I am the enjoyer, puruṣa. I am changing simply body, this
way or that way. This is my position. So one who is intelligent, that “I
change body and different bodies. I am eternal, so what is my eternal
business?” This is athāto brahma-jijñāsā. This is called inquiry of the spiritual
life. This is very simple thing, that “I am simply changing body. Then what
is my real position?” This is intelligent. When a man comes to this position
or this platform, to inquire, “Actually what I am?” that is beginning of
human life. Otherwise, it is animal life. The animal also thinks, “I am dog,”
“I am tiger,” “I am that. “You are none of these, sir. These are all
designations, for the temporary, for a certain period, ten years, five
years, fifty years, utmost hundred years, then finished. But you are eternal.
So here it is said, puruṣa. “I am puruṣa. I am enjoying.” So puruṣa
prakṛti-sthaḥ. So long he is in this material body, he, bhuṅkte. Bhuṅkte
means enjoys. Not enjoyment. We think we are enjoying, but we are
suffering
actually. And because we cannot understand what is suffering… Suffering
there is. Sometimes we come to understand. But we are accepting this
suffering as enjoying. A man is working very hard, very hard, whole
day. He is… This is not enjoyment. You have got a car, but you are running at
70 miles speed, going to your business, and there you are earning hundred
and thousands of dollars. So you are thinking that you are enjoying. But
this labor is suffering--you forget. And in order to forget this suffering,
then I take to wine, take to this, take to that, to forget the suffering.
So actually we are suffering, but we are accepting it as enjoying.
This is called illusion. So whatever we are doing in certain type of body in
this material world, that is suffering. That is not enjoying. Because why
you are placed? Because I wanted to enjoy life like that. So puruṣa
prakṛti-stho hi bhuṅkte prakṛti-jān guṇān. And this profit is nothing but acceptance of
the quality of material nature. And that is very practical. We can
understand. Just like we are getting… I get, say, fifty-thousand dollars in a
check. So I think that “I have got fifty thousand dollars.” But what is this
fifty thousand dollars? It is a piece of paper. You see? This is called
illusion. In this way you study your life, you will see. If you are sober, if you
are actually thoughtful, you will find that “This is not my life. This is
not my life. But I am falsely thinking that I am enjoying life.” Therefore
frustration. Next stage is frustration. Everyone, we are frustrated
because we are in this material world.
That, Prahlāda Mahārāja said, a great devotee, that… His father
asked him, “My dear boy, what best thing you have learned?” He said, “My dear
father…” He did not say, “father.” His father was first-class
materialist. So he addressed him, “the best of the demons,” because anyone who is
very much sensuous, very much attached to sense gratification, they are
called demon. And those persons who do not indulge in sense gratification but
utilize this body or this life for God realization, Kṛṣṇa realization,
they are called gods.
There are two classes of men, demon and god. Those who are engaged
in God consciousness they are not God but godly. And those who are not…
Because this human life is meant for this purpose. Forgetting our father,
forgetting our God, we are criminal within this material world. Therefore our only
business is how to get out of this prison house and go back to home,
back to Godhead.
So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is trying to liberate these
foolish persons who are entangled in this material world and changing one body
after another, sometimes very happy and sometimes very distressed.
The quality is the same, a drop of Atlantic or Pacific Ocean and the ocean.
If you taste the drop, a small drop it is salty--you can understand that
the ocean is also salty. But the containing, the contents of salt, that is
very small, and the contents of salt in the ocean, that is very big. That
you cannot imagine. It is like that. God is like you and me, a person. But
He is Pacific Ocean; we are drop. That’s all.
Yes? What is your question? This gentleman, here.
He wants to know what the doctrine of Kṛṣṇa consciousness
is. Kṛṣṇa consciousness means that you are part and parcel of
Kṛṣṇa, or God, you being separated, I have already explained, you are
suffering in this material world. So you back to your father, go back to your father
and be happy. That’s all.
You’re saying that God is spirit, we are spirit. What follows from there?
In the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, which is a scripture that we study, it says that Kṛṣṇa did not want
us to come to this material world. The question is: If Kṛṣṇa did not want us to come, why are
we here?
Prabhupāda: Yes. You forced Kṛṣṇa to allow you to come. Just like
sometimes a child forces his father. Father says, “My dear son, do not do this.
Do not go there.” But he insists, “Oh, I must go. I must go.” “All right, you
go at your risk. That’s all. And you suffer. What can be done? “Because you
are son of God--God has got independence, full independence,
almighty--therefore
you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little
independence. So God does not interfere with your little independence.
If you persist that “I must go and enjoy independently,” so God says, “All
right, you can go.” This is the position. You have to take sanction.
That is a fact. But when you persist, God sanctions. And you come and enjoy.
Beginning from Lord Brahmā down to the worms in the stool, gradually,
according to your work, according to your desire, you manufacture your
different types of body and enjoy and suffer. That’s all.