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Ed Hoffman: You’ve also both talked about mentors for people working. Who are some of
the people that you learned from, that you respected, who were your mentors? John?
John Mather: Well, pretty clearly, I learned an awful lot from my thesis advisor at Berkeley.
Then Pat Thaddeus was my mentor as a post-doc in New York at the Goddard Institute for Space
Studies. Then I came to Goddard and Mike Hauser was my mentor. All of these people, not that
much older than I am, but enough that they knew something I didn’t know and they also
said, well, here it is, you do this. It wasn’t so much that they told me how to do it, they
just said, ‘Here’s this job, this is really important and it’s yours.’ Then I would
come back to them and say to them, ‘I don’t know what to do now, let’s talk.’ But,
it’s not like instruction in how, it’s more like let’s talk together and make it
happen.
Dennis McCarthy: I would say when I was a working engineer, there were many project
managers. As I mentioned, some would empower people, some would try to do it themselves,
some would be listeners, some would removed obstacles, but I watched each one of them
and learned from each one of them.
The second thing is that there were certain people above me at NASA who would call me
periodically and say, ‘How are you doing?’ In the middle of this project and I would
proceed to tell them, ‘You want to know how I’m doing?’ And they would let me
talk for ten or fifteen minutes and that’s all they did. And then I would go back to
work and they would go back to work, but there was always someone, but I wouldn’t go up
there and wring my hands and tell them I don’t know what to do, but at least there were people
above me that would listen. That made a big difference - versus me versus the whole system.
Ed Hoffman: So if you were advising people who were starting their careers, whether it’s
engineering or management or science, what tips would you give in terms of how do go
about it? Or what’s the, if we can get it down to ----
Dennis McCarthy: I’ll give you the biggest tip of all is to be a listener. You are not
going to learn when you’re talking. And I think as an engineer, sit in meetings, got
to meetings, go to projects, but watch and listen and you’ll learn it all. John?
John Mather: I’d say that’s awfully good advice. Another part, if you’re the scientist
and you’re wondering where to go, so something will turn out well, go where the action is.
You can sort of tell what’s happening in the world and sort of what the excitement’s
about, so if you choose to go there, maybe you have a chance to get noticed and contribute
and eventually to be able to lead something. Uh, so, I wasn’t actually that good at this,
but it turned out I was lucky. Because I worked on the cosmic background radiation as a graduate
student, it turned out to be really, really, really important. Then I chickened out for
a while and I got drawn back into it. So anyway, I went where the action was. And then when
I got a call: Would I like to work on the new James Webb Space Telescope,’ which wasn’t
called that yet, ‘Yeah, sure, that’s where the action is.’ So I’m having a good time
by going there and when you go there, there’s a lot happening and good people to work with
and people to learn from. So anyway, that’s part of it.
I already mentioned, I think, that reading and writing are really important too and a
lot of our people don’t appreciate how critically important that is. When I finished my thesis
project it was hard work to write. I thought, ‘I’m so glad I don’t have to write anything
anymore,’ and I spent the rest of my life writing. So I didn’t expect it, but it’s
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