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PART OF I GUESS OF SHAPING THE
NARRATIVE WHEN IT COMES TO HIS
CLIENT.
>> THAT'S FASCINATING TO ME ONLY
BECAUSE THIS PLAYED OUT IN A
JURY ROOM.
IN A COURTROOM.
AND THEY WEREN'T PRIVY TO
ANYTHING THAT WE WERE SAYING
OUTSIDE OF THAT.
AND I THINK WHAT IS TERRIFIC,
THOUGH, ABOUT WHAT DID HAPPEN
HERE IS THAT THERE WERE CAMERAS
IN THE COURTROOM.
EVERYONE GOT TO SEE WHAT WAS
GOING ON.
THERE WAS TRANSPARENCY TO THE
PROCESS.
AND PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO MAKE UP
THEIR MINDS FOR THEMSELVES
WITHOUT BEING SHADED OR JADED BY
OUR COVERAGE.
AND SO I THINK IT'S ALMOST
INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST TO
ARGUE THAT.
IT'S SURPRISING TO ME.
>> MARK, CAN YOU WEIGH IN ON
THAT?
>> THE MEDIA DID HAVE A GREAT
DEAL OF INFLUENCE, BUT THERE'S A
DIFFERENCE HOW THE MEDIA
IMPACTED BEFORE THE TRIAL AND
DURING THE TRIAL.
OBVIOUSLY DURING THE TRIAL IT'S
OF NO CONSEQUENCE.
THE JURY IS NOT SEEING ANYTHING.
THAT'S FOR ADDRESSING THE
PUBLIC.
BEFORE THE TRIAL, LET'S PACE IT,
THE MEDIA HAD A GREAT INFLUENCE
ON THIS.
WHY?
WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A LAWSUIT
PENDING AGAINST ANOTHER NETWORK
RIGHT NOW AS IT RELATES TO AN
ACCUSATION THAT SOMEBODY
SEEMINGLY HAS A ADMITTED EDITING
A TAPE THAT REALLY BETWEEN
CHANGE THE INITIAL IMPRESSION
THAT THE COUNTRY HAD ON THIS
PARTICULAR CASE.
THAT'S SIGNIFICANT.
>> LET'S TALK, MARK, ABOUT THE
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND POSSIBLY
BRINGING CHARGES AGAINST GEORGE
ZIMMERMAN.
AND WHAT THE NAACP HAS SAID THEY
WOULD LIKE THEM TO LOOK INTO
FURTHER.
IS THAT POSSIBLE, COULD THAT
POSSIBLY HAPPEN, AND WHAT WOULD
HE FACE IF THAT DOES HAPPEN?
>> ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.
IS IT PROBABLE, I THINK THE
LIKELIHOOD IS ALMOST
NONEXISTENT.
LOOK, FLORIDA HAS VERY, VERY
LIVE RAL DISCOVERY RULES.
SOME OF THE MOST LIBERAL IN THE
COUNTRY.
SOME PEOPLE CRITICIZE IT, BUT IT
DOES ALLOW A REAL VIEWING OF
EVERYTHING.
WE HAVE DEPOSITIONS ON BOTH
SIDES.
200 WITNESSES ON A WITNESS LIST.
THE FEDS DID COME IN INITIALLY
TO INVESTIGATE LAW ENFORCEMENT
AND TO DETERMINE WHETHER THERE
WERE ANY CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS
THERE.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THEY FOUND
NONE.
AND YOU HAD TWO GROUPS OF
PROSECUTORS, SO TO NOW HAND IT
OFF TO THE FEDS YOR, I DON'T SE.
>> AND I DISAGREE WITH THAT.
I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT THE
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN
CONDUCTED A PARALLEL
INVESTIGATION AND THERE HAS BEEN
PRECEDENT FOR A STATE CRIMINAL
PROCEEDING TO END IN AN
ACQUITTAL AND FOR THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT TO STEP IN IN TERMS
OF CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS.
SO I THINK IT'S PREMATURE TO SAY
THAT IS OFF THE TABLE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S OFF THE TABLE
AT ALL.
I THINK THERE IS PROBABLY STILL
REVIEW OF THE WAY THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT HERE IN SANFORD
HANDLED THIS INVESTIGATION.
AND CERTAINLY THINK THERE IS A
POSSIBILITY OF AN INVESTIGATION
INTO ALLEGED RACIAL PROFILING.
>> YOU SAID A POSSIBILITY, BUT
WHAT'S THE PROBABILITY AND
WOULDN'T YOU THINK EVEN THOUGH
THE JUSTICE DEPT DEPARTMENT
WOULD BE HANDLING THAT, THAT
WOULD BE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
ERIC HOLDER, DON'T YOU THINK THE
OBAMA ADMINISTRATION MIGHT BE A
BIT CAREFUL WITH THIS BECAUSE
THERE HAS BEEN CRITICISM WITH
THE PRESIDENT INSERTING HIMSELF
INTO THIS?
>> THIS IS NOT A DETERMINE
NATION BY THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION, THIS IS A
DETERMINATION BY THE DEPARTMENT
OF JUSTICE.
SO TO SUGGEST THAT IT'S
IMPROBABLE THAT THERE COULD BE A
CIVIL RIGHTS INVESTIGATION INTO
GEORGE ZIMMERMAN'S BEHAVIOR I DO
POSITION IS PREMATURE.
WE'RE NOT THERE YET AND THERE IS
SOME EVIDENCE OF RACIAL
PROFILING.
WHILE IT WAS NOT NECESSARILY
DISCUSSED IN THE TRIAL, IT WAS
CRIMINAL PROFILING, THAT STILL
REMAINS PART OF THE NARRATIVE
HERE.
AND SO I'M NOT PREPARED TO SAY
WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF
PROBABILITY IS, BUT THERE IS A
PROBABILITY.
>> BUT LET'S LISTEN TO THE WORDS
OF SOME OF TRAYVON MARTIN'S
LAWYERS WHO SAID THAT THIS WAS
NOT ABOUT RACE.
I MEAN, THAT HAS COME OUT TIME
AND TIME AGAIN.
SO WITH THAT ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
ALREADY TAKING PLACE, COULD
THERE HAVE BEEN A RACIAL
COMPONENT, WE ALL KNOW THE
ANSWER IS LIKELY.
BUT DOES THAT IN FACT ELEVATE TO
A LEVEL AFTER ALL THE EVIDENCE
HAS COME IN THAT IS PROOFABLE IF
IT EXISTED, AND WITH ALL THAT
HAS GONE ON, WHAT NEW EVIDENCE
COULD POSSIBLY BE SOUGHT OUT AND
ADDRESSED THAT HASN'T ALREADY
COME TO LIGHT.
WITH 200 DEPOSITIONS AND ENDLESS
NUMBER OF WITNESSES AND TWO LAW
ENFORCEMENT.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT LEGALITY,
THE ODDS, NO.
>> ALL RIGHT.
MARK NEJAME, SUNNY HOSTIN,
THANKS TO BOTH OF YOU.
>>> THIS VERDICT HAS SPARKED
EMOTIONAL PROTESTS ACROSS THE
COUNTRY.
YOU PROBABLY HAVE SEEN SOME OF
IT.
IT STARTED OUTSIDE THE
COURTHOUSE IN SANFORD, FLORIDA
LAST NIGHT.
PEOPLE DEMANDED MORE PROTESTS
AND WEPT OPENLY.
DEMONSTRATIONS QUICKLY SPREAD
FROM COAST TO COAST.
LISTEN TO THIS RALLY IN SAN
FRANCISCO.
IT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT.
>> TRAYVON MARTIN JUSTICE FOR
TRAYVON MARTIN, JUSTICE FOR
TRAYVON MARTIN.
>> PEOPLE SHOUTED JUSTICE FOR
TRAYVON MARTIN WHILE MARCHING
THROUGH THE STREETS.
THING REESE MAINED MOSTLY
PEACEFUL EXCEPT FOR ONE PROTEST
IN OAKLAND, CALIFORNIA WHERE
PUBLIC TRANSIT POLICE CAR WAS
SMASHED.
IN WASHINGTON DEMONSTRATES TORS
MARCHED LATE INTO THE NIGHT.
AND IN CHICAGO, PROTESTERS
CARRIED A GIANT SIGN SAYING WE
ARE TRAYVON.
THEY ALSO CHANTED NOT ONE WHO
ARE.
IN FLORIDA, THEY SANG QUIETLY ON
THE STEPS OF THE CAPITOL
BUILDING IN TALLAHASSEE.
AND MANY LEADERS CALLED FOR CALM
AFTER THE ZIMMERMAN VERDICT LAST
NIGHT.
AND YOU CAN IMAGINE IT WAS A HOT
TOPIC IN MANY PULPITS THIS
SUNDAY.
JOHN ZARRELLA INTENDED A SERVICE
WHERE TRAYVON MARTIN'S MOTHER
ATTENDS.
WHAT'S THE WORD THERE THERE,
JOHN?
>> DON, THIS IS THE CHURCH WHERE
SYBRINA FULTON ATTENDS.
THEY WERE NOT HERE, ALTHOUGH
THERE WAS THOUGHT PERHAPS THEY
MIGHT COME.
SYBRINA LEFT A MESSAGE TO THE
PASTOR AND HER MESSAGE WAS VERY
SIMPLE, SHE SAID PLEASE TELL THE
CONGREGATION HERE THAT I STILL
TRUST IN GOD.
AND THE PASTOR WAS TELLING US
THAT THAT IS THE MESSAGE THAT
THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION HAS.
>> SO WE'RE DEPENDING ON YOU
THIS MORNING, O GOD, FOR ALL OF
OUR HELP.
WE'RE NOT DEPENDING ON THE
SANFORD POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE'RE
NOT DEPENDING ON SEMINOLE COUNTY
SHERIFF.
WE'RE NOT DEPENDING ON THE
COURTS OF SEMINOLE COUNTY,
FLORIDA, LAW ENFORCEMENT.
>> THERE WERE SOME FAMILY
RELATIVES HERE, AND THEIR
MESSAGE WAS, LOOK, LET'S NOT LET
THIS HAPPEN AGAIN.
THEY DID OF COURSE SAY THAT THEY
WERE HURT, SAD, CONFUSED AND
DISAPPOINTED.
BUT ONE OF THE VERY INTERESTING
THINGS THAT CAME OUT FROM
TALKING TO MEMBERS OF THE
CONGREGATION AS THEY LEFT THE
LAST SERVICE HERE WAS THAT TO
STEREOTYPE WAS WRONG.
TO THINK THERE THAT THERE WOULD
BE VIOLENCE PARTICULARLY IN THE
MIAMI COMMUNITY WAS IN AND OF
ITSELF STEREOTYPING.
WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS THEY WILL
FOCUS THEIR ANGER AND THEIR HOPE
IS TO FOCUS THEIR ANGER TO
CHANGE LAWS.
>> AND I THINK PEOPLE WERE
THINKING THERE WOULD BE SOME
SORT OF RACE RIOTS GOING ON.
THE VERDICT HAPPENING ON A
SATURDAY NIGHT.
SO VERY INTERESTING.
NONE OF THAT HAPPENED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE IT, SKJOHN.
WOULD THE OUTCOME HAVE BEEN
DIFFERENT IF PROSECUTORS HAD
PURSUED JUST A MANSLAUGHTER
CONVICTION INSTEAD OF
SECOND-DEGREE *** IN THE
CHIEF PROSECUTOR SAYS THEY HAD
THE EVIDENCE TO CONVICT ON THE
TOUGHER CHARGE.
>> WHAT WAS CONVINCING TO US
WHEN WE LISTENED TO THE TAPE IS
THAT THE SCREAM STOPPED THE
MOMENT THE SHOT IS FIRED.
THAT'S THE KIND OF COMMON SENSE
EVIDENCE THAT PROSECUTORS RELY
ON EVERY DAY.
THAT SCREAM STOPS WHEN THE SHOT
IS FIRED.
AND SO WE ALWAYS BELIEVED AFTER
HEARING THAT TAPE THAT IT WAS
TRAYVON MARTIN.
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>>> I THINK THE PROSECUTION OF
GEORGE ZIMMERMAN WAS
DISGRACEFUL.
I AM GRATIFIED BY THE JURY'S
VERDICT.
AS HAPPY AS I AM FOR GEORGE
ZIMMERMAN, I'M THRILLED THAT
THIS JURY KEPT THIS TRAGEDY FROM
BECOMING A TRAVESTY.
FOR THAT, WE ARE ETERNALLY
GRATEFUL.
>> SO THAT WAS DON WEDNESDAY,
ONE OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN'S
DEFENSE ATTORNEYS, REACTING TO
LAST NIGHT'S VERDICT OF NOT
GUILTY.
MICHAEL GRECO.
MICHAEL, LET'S START WITH YOU.
THERE ARE MANY WHO BELIEVE
GEORGE ZIMMERMAN SHOULD NEVER
HAVE BEEN ARRESTED, THIS SHOULD
NEVER HAVE GONE TO TRIAL.
DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?
>> NO, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM
WITH THE PROSECUTION OR THERE
BEING A TRIAL.
I'VE SAID SECOND-DEGREE ***
WAS A STRETCH.
I THINK THAT THEY TRIED TO GO A
LITTLE TOO FAR WITH IT AND THE
PROBLEM WHEN THEY BROUGHT TO
TRIAL IS THAT THEY LOST
CREDIBILITY WITH THE JURY
BECAUSE THEY WERE MAKING THAT
STRETCH.
I THINK IF THEY WENT
STRAIGHTFORWARD WITH AN ACTUAL
MANSLAUGHTER CASE, THAT THEY
WOULD HAVE MAYBE BEEN MORE
SUCCESSFUL THAN THEY WERE.
>> MIDWHIN, SO HE WAS FOUND NOT
GU
GUILTY.
DO YOU THINK IF THEY WOULD HAVE
SAID MANSLAUGHTER, HE WOULD HAVE
BEEN FOUND GUILTY?
>> I THINK THERE IS A GREAT
LIKELIHOOD HAD THE BROSS
PROSECUTION NOT OVERCHARGED THIS
CASE.
I THINK UNFORTUNATELY GIVEN THE
FACT GEORGE ZIMMERMAN WALKED
FREE FOR ABOUT SIX WEEKS AFTER
TRAYVON MARTIN WAS KILLED I
THINK PLAYED AN INTEGRAL ROLE IN
HOW THEY CHARGED THE CASE.
HAD HE BEEN ARRESTED SOONER, I
DON'T THINK THE PROSECUTORS
WOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER SO MUCH
PRESSURE TO FEEL AS THOUGH THEY
HAVE TO OVERCHARGE THIS CASE.
AND WE SAW THIS IN THE CASEY
ANTHONY CASE, AS WELL.
SO THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT IS
NEW THAT OCCURS IN FLORIDA.
HAD THEY WENT AHEAD FULL TEAM
WITH A MANSLAUGHTER CHARGE, I
THINK THEY WOULD HAVE HAD MORE
CREDIBILITY.
ALSO THE MANNER IN WHICH THEY
TRIED THE CASE WAS WOEFULLY
INADEQUATE.
THEY DID NOT PREPARE THEIR
WITNESSES.
THERE WERE TIMES AS IF IT
APPEARED THEIR WITNESSES WERE
DEFENSE WITNESSES.
SO THERE WERE A LOT OF TWISTS
AND TURNS IN THIS TRIAL, AS
WELL.
>> AND TONYA, I HAVE SPOKEN TO A
NUMBER OF LEGAL EXPERTS ON CNN
WHO SAY THERE WAS ENOUGH
EVIDENCE FOR SECOND DEGREE.
BUT THE PROSECUTION JUST DIDN'T
DO A GOOD JOB PRESENTING THEIR
CASE -- PROVING THEIR CASE.
>> IT'S ALWAYS EASY TO SORT OF
PICK THE CASE APART AFTER
EVERYTHING HAS BEEN SAID AND
DONE AND WE HAD THE JURY'S
VERDICT.
OBVIOUSLY THEY DID NOT AGREE
WITH THE PROSECUTION'S THEORY OF
THE CASE.
BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE
DECISION TO CHARGE, IT'S VERY
COMMON FOR PROSECUTORS TO CHARGE
THE HIGHEST DEFENSE THAT THE
THEY BELIEVE THE EVIDENCE
SUPPORTS.
PROSECUTORS DON'T TYPICALLY SIT
AROUND THE TABLE AND SAY, LOOK,
I THINK WE MIGHT LOSE THIS OR I
THINK THIS A TOUGH CASE UNTIL
THOUGH WE BELIEVE THIS IS WHAT
THE EVIDENCE SUPPORT, WE'LL TAKE
AN EASIER WAY OUT.
I THINK THAT THEY LOOKED AT THE
CONDUCT OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN,
THEY LOOKED AT THE WORDS THAT HE
SAID, THEY LOOKED AT HIS ACTIONS
AND GETTING OUT OF THAT CAR WHEN
HE WAS, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGED NOT
TO.
THE FACT THAT TRAYVON MARTIN HAD
DONE NOTHING TO PROVOKE THIS
ENCOUNTER, THAT HE WAS JUST
WALKING HOME INNOCENTLY AS HE
HAS A RIGHT TO DO.
AND THEY DETERMINED THAT THE
APPROPRIATE CHARGE WAS
SECOND-DEGREE ***.
I DEFINITELY THINK REASONABLE
MINDS CAN DIFFER, BUT THAT WAS A
DECISION THEY MADE, THEY STOOD
BY IT THROUGHOUT THE TRIAL.
THE JURY HAS SPOKEN.
AND HERE WE ARE.
>> MICHAEL, CAN WE TALK ABOUT
JUST HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO
PROVE THESE TYPES OF CASES?
EVEN WHEN YOU HAVE VIDEO, WHEN
YOU SEE OFFICERS BEATING SOMEONE
LIKE RODNEY KING, IT IS STILL
VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE THE
OFFICERS WERE ORIGINALLY BEING A
QUITTED IN THAT CASE.
TLITS HE 00 DIFFICULT TO PROVE
ONE OF THESE CASES.
>> IT IS.
AND THERE IS CURRENTLY A FEDERAL
INVESTIGATION, BUT THE
POSSIBILITY OF THEM ACTUALLY
FILING FORMAL FEDERAL CHARGES.
THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
WAS ABLE TO DO THAT IN RODNEY
KING CASE.
THEY WERE ABLE TO FIX SOME OFFED
MISTAKES PROSECUTORS MADE.
I THINK IN THIS CASE YOU HAVE A
REAL PROBLEM.
I PRACTICE IN FEDERAL COURT AND
FEDERAL PROSECUTORS LIKE TO HAVE
A STRONG CASE WHEN THEY GO
FORWARD AND THEY USUALLY DO.
IN THIS CASE, THEY SAW
PROSECUTORS DO AN ADMIRABLE JOB.
VERY FEW MISTAKES WERE MADE BY
THE PROSECUTION.
AND YOU'RE NOT DEALING WITH LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, OR DEALING
WITH A PRIVATE CITIZEN.
SO IT'S A DIFFERENT PART OF THE
HATE CRIME STATUTE.
SO I THINK THERE WILL BE A FULL
INVESTIGATION.
I JUST DON'T SEE HOW SUCCESSFUL
THEY CAN BE IN ACTUALLY
SUCCESSFULLY CONVICTING
SOMEBODY.
>> TONYA, AS A FORMER
PROSECUTOR, I WANT TO ASK YOU
THE SAME QUESTION.
WELL, DIFFERENT QUESTION.
DO YOU SEE THE PROBABILITY OF
THE JUGS TIS DWEPT COMING IN AND
BRINGING CHARGES HERE?
>> IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY.
HATE CRIMES, CIVIL RIGHTS CASES
ARE NOTORIOUSLY DIFFICULT CASES.
YOU DON'T SEE VERY MANY OF THEM
ACTUALLY BROUGHT IN REALITY IN
THIS DAY AND AGE.
SO I THINK WHAT WE'LL SEE
PERHAPS IS SOME ADDITIONAL
INVESTIGATION, PERHAPS THEY WILL
UNCOVER EVIDENCE THAT
PROSECUTORS DID NOT UNCOVER IN
THE *** TRIAL.
IT'S JUST REALLY HARD TO SAY.
KNOT LIKELY, BUT WE HAVE TO LET
THE INVESTIGATION RUN ITS
COURSE.
>> ALL RIGHT.
MIDWIN, I'M GOING TO OWE YOU ONE
NEXT TIME.
>> YOU GOT.
>> MY THANKS TO MIDWIN CHARLES,
TONYA MILLER AND ALSO MICHAEL
GRECO.
>> THANKS.