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This is a new science:
socio-cyberneering.
And this is its inventor, the
extraordinary Jacque Fresco.
He's my guest this
weekend on News Weekend.
My guest is an extraordinary Miamian: Dr.
Jacque Fresco.
I could go through all the things that Dr.
Fresco has done.
He's a social engineer, industrial
engineer, designer, inventor,
was a consultant for
Rotorcraft Helicopter,
Director of Scientific Research
Laboratories, Los Angeles,
designed and copyrighted
various items,
ranging from drafting
instruments to X-ray units,
has had works published in
the Architectural Record,
Popular Mechanics, Saturday
Review, and has been a technical
and psychological consultant to
the motion picture industry,
member of the Air Force design and
development unit at Wright Field,
developed the electrostatic
anti-icing systems,
designed prefabricated
aluminum houses.
What does it say in
your driver's license?
- What is the occupation?
- Industrial Designer ...
Social Engineer.
- Does it bug you that...
people, when they talk about
Jacque Fresco in Miami, say that
he's someone who is, "Too far ahead
of his time," his thinking is-
"We're not ready for
advanced kind of thinking"-
of that type. Does it bug you?
- I imagine every creative
person in every field
encounters that sort of problem.
No, it doesn't. I can't afford it.
There's too many things
that are important.
- What is socio-cyberneering?
- Socio-cyberneering
is a new organization,
and it represents the application
of the most sophisticated forms
of science and technology
toward problem solving,
so that we can reclaim
the environment
which we loused
up over the years
and to build a way of
life worthy of Man.
To humanize society, to break
away from the artificiality,
the regimentation, that
dominates our society today.
Our society seems torn apart,
and pulled in many directions.
Socio-cyberneering
is an approach
at the restructuring of
society in humanistic terms.
- Humanistic terms? - Yes.
- The times I've spoken to
you, you're very science and
technological-oriented.
You want categories in people
... classified in categories,
certain people living here and-
- I never wanted that. - No.
- Let's say that we
didn't read each other,
or I did not
communicate the ideas.
In essence, to me, all of the
marvels of science and technology,
all of the electronics
and mechanical wonders,
are just so many millions
of tons of junk,
unless it enhances
the lives of men.
The reason we emphasize
machines and technology
is to free Man, to go to
art centers, music centers,
cultural centers,
and to find the meaning of
their own existence and lives.
- How much can machines do?
Can they
run the things that
are necessary to run?
- Well, Mr. King, if we can
launch a rocket off the
Earth while it's turning,
find a place on the Moon,
land it automatically,
pick up samples of the
soil, bring the ship back
without humans- I think the
Russians have done this-
bring the ship back to the
Earth, surely we can handle
airliners, or anything
else with redundancy.
- The problem though is our
political structure is:
How do you start changing
a society this much,
which has really no
political system?
- No, it has no
political system.
It is not affiliated with
any political party.
It is neither communist, fascist,
nor socialist, nor democratic.
Socio-cyberneering is a
sort of a quantum jump,
a severe departure in
Man's way of thinking.
- How do you make a severe
departure with millions of people?
- With millions of people, well, I
think you pretty much understand that
most of the development we
have in our society today-
the technology: the
airplane, TV, radio,
modern production technology- is
really done by very few people.
I would say several
hundred people
comprise the modern
technological civilization.
But you don't need millions of
technicians and millions of scientists.
How many people that
you know of today
sit in their home and play their
phonograph, and radio and TV,
have any idea of how this works?
It's just happening around them...
- I don't have any idea.
- ...and they're falling behind.
What is happening to Man is
that his technological society-
the newer value systems
that dominate our times
that are pressing onward-
are just leaving behind
hundreds of thousands of people
that cannot make the transition.
In other words, people
that can't change
can be found in the Amazon
jungle today: the head-hunters.
And we've got to change.
I think the book "Future Shock",
or the book I've worked
on, "Looking Forward".
"Future Shock" points out,
that there are a lot of things
going to happen, whether
you like it or not,
that the future cannot
be stopped by anyone.
It is a continuous progression.
- But there'll always be large groups of
people that have trouble handling it.
- Yes, this is true.
- Look at the change of someone... - We agree.
- ...60 years old, who has seen
unbelievable change in their lifetime.
- I believe they
can change quickly
if the information is made available to them.
In other words
to present socio-cyberneering in
one shot is extremely difficult.
I believe that people
should not be divided-
the youngsters, the adolescents, and
finally the mature young adults
and then the older folks,
are all divided people.
When you get to be 65
you don't want to travel on an
ocean liner with old folks.
How come we put up these
buildings for the old folks?
We think that people ought to live
wherever the hell they want to live.
That cities must be designed so we have
an integrated intelligent society.
Einstein, when he was 65, 70 years
old, he would talk to youngsters.
He kept reading.
He kept up with ideas.
Why must societies be divided
into different groups?
We think that you're as young
as your life permits you to be,
as your exposure, as your ideas.
- Alright let's- with pictures-
explore the thinking of Jacque Fresco
and the society he'd like
to see: socio-cyberneering.
Now, we'll start with this, and you tell me.
- I'll try to point it out.
- Yeah, you can
point right at it.
All of the new cities
will be a university,
in essence.
The center of a city,
the nucleus, will house
an electronic computer which
only controls the weather,
water purification, the
atmospheric conditions,
that is- it controls air
contamination systems.
The computers do not, I say it
again, do not control people.
They maintain safety, they
oversee the environment,
maintain ecological balance between
animal life and plant life.
All the machines do is control
the physical entities
that comprise the environment.
The center of the
city is a university.
A university that covers all
subjects related to Man.
It is not a commercial university.
It is not based on any-...
There are no courses
that are used to exploit
or abuse any other human being.
All business courses
will be phased out.
All repetitious jobs
will be phased out.
We feel that
machines ought to do
the filthy, or the repetitious,
or the boring jobs.
That Man has to be free
to pursue the higher things, the
higher possibilities of Man.
In other words, if this is the
medical unit- this little branch-
and if you work in this center,
you may live in the garden
cities that surround the center.
You don't have to.
You can if you will.
Each of the garden cities contain
lakes, recreation areas,
and between cities, we let
everything go back to nature.
- Will computers be able
to control the weather?
- This is a relatively
easy project to manage.
- Easy to control? - Yes.
- You could control the weather?
- I could go into that with you in a little while.
- Alright.
- Can I finish that?
- Oh, okay, sorry.
- On the outer rim of the city,
we have the agricultural belt.
All of your garbage
is compressed
and pumped, recycled out
to the agricultural belt.
There are no garbage trucks.
There are no dump fields.
We use everything.
All waste is recycled.
This is an ecological program.
- Alright.
Now, this is what the total city...
- The total city
looks like this.
There are circular conveyor
belts that take you
anywhere in the city
in three minutes.
The city population in this
particular city is 15,000.
We have larger cities
designed, up to two million.
The cities are all immersed
in beautiful gardens.
There are no trees in a row.
It is not a mechanical
environment.
It is essentially a city immersed
in a second Garden of Eden
where there are lakes,
recreation areas,
art centers, music centers,
cultural centers,
and surrounding the city we
have the agricultural belt
where we grow foods
hydroponically.
Between cities, we let
everything go back to nature:
the deer, the coyote, the entire
ecological balance is maintained.
- We grow foods, how?
- Hydroponically.
- What's that?
- Soil-less agriculture, in some instances.
And in other instances we use
conventional agriculture,
which we'll get onto in the drawings
as we go through the subject.
- Alright. What- before we
get to the other pictures-
what jobs, that we now know, will
not be present in this concept?
- Well, most.
- Like garbage men, gone, right?
- Yes. All repetition. All people working in fact-
- Mailmen?
- No mailmen, no waitresses,
no waiters, no cooks.
- When you go out to eat,
how will you get your food?
- Well, there are
beautifully designed
areas for eating, in which
you have all kinds of food.
Japanese, French food, organic food,
and the standards if you like it.
- And how would it get to you?
- The way the food gets to you-...
what we do is monitor the
behavior of the cook.
That is, we do a multi-channel tape,
on the best cooks that we know of.
And, as they prepare their food
we tape every move they make,
and how they handle food
and how they dice the carrots,
the way you like it.
Then you dial "2736", and you
get the kind of food you want.
Chef Milani style,
or individualized.
You can even tape
your own cooking.
- I remember 5 years ago
I used to laugh at you,
and now all this is
very believable.
Alright, onward.
What do we have here?
- Areas like India, where you
have high population densities,
or areas like China,
we just can't afford
to go on and make
an individual house
for every human being.
We just don't have that kind of energy.
Our population has already
surpassed the point of no return.
We have to unify our architecture,
not that I like it.
But we're trapped. We have to unify
it and then make art centers,
music centers and gardens
between the cities.
In India, this would
only extend six miles.
And then you would have countryside,
lakes, and hiking area
for most people.
But, if you try to spread your cities out
as we're doing, you're going
to louse up the entire area.
- Are you betting that people will
not declare war on each other?
So that you can get at
building all of this?
- Well, we don't have much choice.
We're going to
destroy each other, or
we're going to make it.
- Now, this looks
like some sort of
submerged stadium,
with something flying.
- In an area like Pennekamp
Park, we might build
circular cities in the sea, where the
water is about 30, 35 feet deep.
Most of the apartment houses
will open out into the sea.
You can observe marine
life and fish swimming by.
There will be no zoos,
no seaquariums,
everything will be observed
in natural conditions.
There will be boating,
scuba-diving, recreation,
and universities
built in the sea.
Socio-cyberneering encompasses
the entire social spectrum.
- These drawings all made by you?
- Yes.
This might represent
an individual house.
Most of the homes will be
individually contoured.
If you're an artist, you'll
live in the kind of house
that is most suitable to
your areas of interest.
If you're a technician, a musician,
the house will be designed
for your needs. Most of the
houses will be self-generative.
That is, the heat of the
sun falls upon your roof
and lowers the temperature
on the inside of the house.
The sunlight is scattered
on the inner walls,
in which you have a
phosphor coating.
And the room glows, all
evening, with a soft glow
without any electricity,
without any power waste.
All of the pavement
in the area is black.
Under the pavement
are heating coils,
that is, built-in PVC tubing, or
wiring, or conveyor tubing for water.
As the Sun beats down on the pavement,
we get all the hot water we need
without burning any
fuel, conserving energy
all over the world,
at a much lower cost.
- Who's...
who's going to pay for all this?
- Where is the
money coming from?
If you took all of the gold and all
of the wealth of this country,
all of the certificates of debt,
and all of the land ownership,
all of the diamonds and rings, and
dumped it off the coast of Japan,
as long as you didn't touch
the American way of thinking,
our technology and
our resources,
we would not be
impoverished at all.
America's wealth is not its gold,
is not its banking institutions.
These are false institutions.
That the entire money-structured
and materialistic-oriented
society is a false society.
10 or 15 years from
now, our society
will go down in history as the
lowest development in Man.
We have the brains, the
know-how, the technology,
and the feasibility to build
an entirely new civilization.
- You believe that we teach competition?
That it's not bred into some-
- Competition is dangerous,
socially offensive,
considered right and
normal, because
you are brought up to
that value system.
What kind of competition
did Jesus have?
What kind of competition
is there in your body?
Suppose your brain said, "I'm
the most important organ!"
And the liver said, "I am.
And I want a Free Enterprise system!"
You'd rot away in a
month if every organ
of your body went
out for itself.
- What's this?
- Some individuals will live in homes
of a different design.
There will be a wide range
of what you call individuality.
The city is built to bring out
what you call individuality,
creativity, thinking, development.
To question all things
and challenge all ideas.
The city is not utopian.
It is an open city, to develop all ideas,
to change our concepts when
they need to be changed.
- Here we have a
3-phase picture.
- Architecture will run the gamut.
That all the buildings
will be earthquake-proof,
fire-proof, termite-proof
and shock resistant, in that they
will rest on this particularly
designed sand bay so that no
direct shock can be transferred
to the architecture.
There are no fire departments,
because nothing in the
architecture can burn.
There are no TV sets, radios, tape
recorders, or record players.
All of that is done by the
central computer system
in which all of the world's music
is housed in a central computer.
You don't want records, tape
recorders, all this junk
that requires
continuous maintenance.
All you want is the music you like.
You dial it, and you get the music.
You don't need to pick up
records or store them.
You live in an insane culture,
where we duplicate things.
It's like having a television
station in every home
or every apartment building.
All you want is the music
or the program. You dial that.
There's where the computers come in.
They don't control you,
they provide you with the
music, and the program.
- But you would need a set in the
house to get the programs. - No.
All you need is an image screen.
- An image screen?
- An image screen. A flat screen built-in
on the wall.
You don't have a set sticking out.
You don't have tape recorders.
All you have is the music you like.
- Did you read Ira Levin's "This Perfect Day"?
- No, I did not.
- Well, he has a society like this,
in which the computers also control
the human beings.
- Well, this I'm against, very much against.
- He made it so, if you felt a little
ill, you pressed the button...
- I don't like that.
That's too much like "1984"
and "Brave New World".
This is humanistic.
All our cities will be separated
by a half mile of landscaped areas
and returned to the natural
ecological balance.
The lakes, the hills, the valleys,
the animal life between cities
will go back to nature.
- How will we travel?
- Cities are connected from
core to core by either
cyclic elevators or linear
transportation systems.
There are no freeways
and no automobiles,
therefore no
automobile accidents.
No automobile accidents,
because they don't exist.
We have continuous transportation.
You don't need to wait for a bus.
We have continuous,
moving conveyors.
- When I get back to money, and
you said that it's unimportant.
To start this, who will build it?
Who's going to build the first-
- It's a membership organization ...
which is like,
the members pay about $10 a
year and they get the booklet,
and the information, and
they go to meetings.
But the funds actually come from
donations from organizations
and various agencies of the federal
government and private foundations
to build the first city, to solve
the transportation systems,
to work out a totally
different environment.
And after the first city is
built, we expect a rapid growth
in the membership.
It is difficult for people
to immediately understand
socio-cyberneering
because it is not like anything
else that you're familiar with.
- Obviously it requires
a change of thinking.
Well, you're not dull, Jacque.
Okay.
- For example: agriculture.
You read of pests,
you read of insecticides,
you read of DDT.
You read of constant spraying
contaminating the Earth.
People get angry.
They join environmentalist groups.
They try to save our environment,
but they come up with
no specific ideas.
Socio-cyberneering has a blueprint
for all of the identified problems.
For example,
all our agriculture will be totally
enclosed, either in plastic
or glass buildings, that can
transmit ultraviolet light.
Therefore, you have no
insect invasion of plants.
We also have special
ultrasonic generators
that keep all insects
away from plants.
If certain insects-
particularly selected insects
that are detrimental to plants-
are hit with ultrasonic,
cavitation is produced and
their bodies rupture,
fall to the soil, and
enrich the soil.
And are not washed into our
rivers, and do not contaminate.
Therefore, an agriculture
that's enclosed-
you're not subject to frost,
you're not subject to
freeze or weather.
In other words, these
nuclear plants out here,
that dump their hot
water into the bay,
we use that hot water in the
winter to enhance the plant life,
to grow bananas in Georgia,
in North Carolina,
by using the hot water
from nuclear plants.
What do we do with the
radioactive waste?
We encase it in piping and treat
sewage water with the radiation.
Not radioactive powder, but the
radiation material is sealed.
And through a multiplicity of
shields, we only use the radiation
to clean the waters
emitted by hospitals
and all other sources
of contamination.
- You keep showing this figure of
this thing flying around in the sky
so you better tell me what that is.
- Oh.
This is one of the methods
of conserving our land area.
You read of erosion.
Our beaches are being eroded.
Land is being eroded.
By designing and building underwater dams
-which is entirely
feasible within our time-
we can modify the ocean current,
we can modify the Japanese stream.
We can build dams under the ocean,
and utilize the Japanese current,
oxygenate the water, and
do away with the red tide.
The red tide, by the way, can
be dealt with by oxygenation,
by recirculating the water,
by building dams under the
water in the Gulf Stream,
to set up greater turbulence in
the water, and this is feasible.
If we don't do it, we will
cease to be as a nation.
We have the energy, the
know-how, the raw materials.
Socio-cyberneering
is an organization
that is probably the boldest
organization ever conceived of.
We're undertaking the
most ambitious project
in the history of mankind.
- What's this?
- This represents a
surveillance equipment aircraft
to survey the areas, the
movement of the currents,
and to monitor Earth systems.
- Alright, Jacque.
- This represents a variation of a circular scheme.
Most of the cities are based
on natural configurations:
the atomic structure,
basic designs in nature.
The center of the city
might be related to
studies of the human organism.
This center here may be studies
of diseases of the eye;
other systems: diseases
of the nervous system.
An all-out research project on
enhancing the lives of Man.
There are no military programs or
projects in socio-cyberneering.
- And no need for an army?
- No need for an army.
- Now, what if one people decides
to attack another people?
- We then invite.
After the first city is built
we tend to go socio-cyberneering
international,
to invite the participation
of all nations of the world
into a system of
monitoring the Earth,
and using the Earth to
enhance the lives of Man.
- What if one group of people
get together and attack
another group of people?
- We believe that is done due to scarcity,
or that a society suffers
from economic deprivation,
lack of arable land
area or overpopulation.
- In other words, you believe it would not occur.
- It would not occur.
- What is this wild-looking thing?
- This is clean sources of power.
By utilizing the natural
heat of the Earth-
that is, volcanic energy, or
the magma, or the molten lava
under the Earth, of which there
are approximately 500 potentials-
if we tap a mountain in
Hawaii, called Mount Aloha,
we can get enough power
to electrify the world.
We can get enough power
from that volcano alone.
We have 500 potential
volcanoes we can harness.
We can use that natural
heat from the volcano.
No smog. No smoke. No dirt. No gases.
No fuels. No oil spills.
And no more burning of fuels
in any city to generate power.
If Japan used Fujiyama, they
don't need to burn oil.
They don't need oil.
All of that heat is sitting there!
20 million years of power, right
under the Earth's surface.
In fact, you don't even need to use
fusion power or nuclear power.
And it's easy to tap.
And it's clean, and available.
As soon as we make up our minds
to put scientists rather
than on weapons, nerve gas,
on harnessing the Earth
power that is already here.
- How are you going to get the president
of Florida Power and Light or
Shell Oil to give up such a...
- Socio-cyberneering does
not appeal to governments,
to private enterprise.
We're going to do this thing-
just as the automobile
phased out the stagecoach,
just as television stepped
in and phased out
the old vaudeville and
the old motion pictures.
That history and technology
is respecters of no society,
no individual opinions,
but it moves on.
And we've got to be prepared
to face the future.
Socio-cyberneering will tackle some
of the most ambitious projects
in the history of Man.
This represents the building
of underwater dams
within the Gulf Stream.
This dam will collect, direct,
and route the waters of the sea
into a spillway that is
centrifugally shaped so that fish
and marine life are separated
from the turbine blades.
The Gulf Stream will generate
power to oxygenate the waters,
to eliminate the red tide, to pick
up the amount of fish in the ocean,
to monitor marine life and build
an ecological relationship
between the total oceanographic
world and the continents.
Areas where we've gone in for
strip-mining and loused up the land
by digging out the areas,
shamefully pitting the surface
of the United States, we feel we
can build underground art cities,
music centers, landscaped
areas with gardens
and lakes, and
reclaim those areas.
- Now this looks like...
a train station.
- After the automobile is phased out,
which we hope to do very rapidly,
we hope to build a new
transportation system
and also phase out all forms of
aircraft, except surveillance.
Aircraft, helicopters.
We think aircraft are no longer necessary.
In fact, the skies are so jammed,
and landing is so difficult,
and the speeds and the shockwave
are no longer worth working on.
I know that people in the aircraft
business do not understand this,
nor do they feel this because
they feel that all institutions
tend to perpetuate themselves.
We hope to phase out the
airplane by designing
transportation units that can
move up to 2,000 miles an hour,
floating on a magnetic repulsive
field or an air cushion.
And in those huge
trains of tomorrow
there will be TV, radio, amusement,
art centers, classrooms,
not a group of seats lined
up as your trains are today-
highly regimented society,
whether you know it or not.
This society will be different
in its transportation means.
If forty or fifty people
have to leave the train,
we slow up to 100 miles an hour,
lift off the passenger section,
or slide it off and slide on a section
with the passengers getting on.
You don't have to stop the
whole plane or the train.
Today, when three
people are getting off,
you land the airplane and
three or four people get off.
In the future, we will just shove
off those passengers getting off
and that freight, leaving.
- How will this go from,
say, Miami to London?
- We then have an
underwater project
in which tunnels are
suspended 125 feet
beneath the surface of the
sea, therefore you eliminate
most of the ocean-going
transportation systems.
You're not subject to the
weather or anything else.
This is part of the
linear acceleration train
that can take you anywhere in
the world in just a few hours
safely, without snow,
rain, being lost at sea.
- Are all these things you're
saying, Jacque, could they be built
with what we know today?
Or are some of these things,
are you guessing, based on
what we know today? - No
All of these things can be
built with what we know today.
It would take 10 years to change
the surface of the Earth,
to rebuild the world into
a second Garden of Eden.
The choice lies with you.
The stupidity of a nuclear arms race,
the development of weapons, trying
to solve your problems politically
by electing this political
party or that political party,
that all politics is immersed in corruption.
Let me say it again:
communism, socialism, fascism,
the democrats, the liberals-
we want to absorb human beings.
Women's Lib-...
ALL organizations that believe
in a better life for Man!
There are no *** problems,
or Polish problems,
or Jewish problems,
or Greek problems,
or women's problems.
They're Human problems!
To come into socio-cyberneering,
and take your part, and function.
We are not concerned with the
divisions of segments of society.
- No ...
control of the population?
- Population control is
dependent upon education.
We feel an educated
population needs no control.
- You wouldn't stop sex.
- No, sir.
- Good move, Jacque.
What's this?
- Some individuals may want
to live in a "way out" house.
How far way out- how far
out you want to live-
will be determined by your value
system, and your lifestyle.
It is not a restricted society.
It is not a "1984".
It is not a "Brave New World".
But it is something brand new.
We would like you to investigate
socio-cyberneering.
- Now, I'm going to give the address
out for people who would like
to know more about...
oooh, the next one looks really weird.
- Some people may want to live
in a different kind of home.
I myself am interested in world
affairs, ecological changes,
therefore the walls would
have panoramic screens,
giving me the kind of information
that I am interested in.
Your home may be different,
designed to fit your needs.
The homes will be molded.
- Now, nobody will pay the builder
of the home? He won't receive money?
- No.
- Why will he build the home?
- "He" doesn't build the home.
The homes are built through
systems engineering
in which we can form a
home every half hour
by blowing the floor up out
of the ground so that we have
-up out of a plastic unit which
the floor is comprised of-
we blow and shape the furniture,
and then spray the furniture.
In other words, if
you're going to be here
-if the United States is going to
be here- for the next 20 years,
you can't have a plumber install
the toilet bowl, and the sink,
and the shower in the same
old hand-tool fashion
that was done forty years ago.
We've got to make a quantum jump.
Mold maybe fifteen different
types of bathrooms.
You pick out that which you like,
the bathroom is self-cleaning,
self-drying and we install
it in your architecture,
based upon your selection.
- What, uh... uh-...
It will be so hard
to change, you know.
- How do we change humans?
- A lot of these things sound fascinating but
in order to accomplish any
of this, you require, to me,
a change of the human.
- The human value system. - How?
- We feel that if enough
human beings are exposed
to socio-cyberneering,
through information,
and they question things about
human behavior, the new schools-
I'd be happy to describe all things.
We don't have enough time now
to go into that.
But it doesn't take very long
for Americans to change.
Americans have been conditioned
in their kind of society to get a
different kind of car next year,
to buy a new television
set or a tape-recorder.
We are radical as hell.
But our political and social institutions
have not changed.
And this is where we are stagnating:
because we always
equate any new idea
with communism or regimentation.
Because we've been brought up
to fear that which is new.
And I think that
Christ was a radical.
He brought new ideas.
But it took time,
thousands of years, for people
to really appreciate ideas.
- They still haven't bought them.
- Exactly.
Our ideas- ...
- What's this giant foot?
- What looks like a giant
foot is really a wind tunnel
in a vertical position.
We feel, by building six of these
in the Los Angeles area
and the New York area,
and accelerating air
down through this tunnel
by means of turbines, and
electrostatic filters
and a low temperature base,
we can clean the air of the
solid particulate matter, gases,
and all suspended particles
within a period of one year,
clean the air in the Los Angeles
and New York area, and then
remove these structures
and build garden cities again.
Let's not wait for
nature to do it.
We loused it up.
We're going to have to clean it up,
like the war program.
- You know, people- before I
show this last one- people,
just so you know, you
know that, ah-...
a lot of this is wondrous to you,
and it is to me, of course, but
Dr. Fresco is a respected social
engineer, industrial designer,
designer and inventor, Ph.
D in Human Factors Engineering,
and has worked on many things
from anti-icing systems to
prefabricated aluminum houses,
designed systems for noiseless
and pollution-free aircraft, wrote
the book "Looking Forward".
He has lectured at the
Department of Sociology
in Princeton on sociology
of the future,
guest at the College Editors
Environmental Conference in Washington,
lectured at Queens
College, New York,
University of South Florida,
University of California,
designed various items, ranging from
drafting instruments to X-ray units.
And, so you know, don't
just dismiss this.
If he says it's possible, it's possible.
What's this?
- Well, in times to come, most of
you are probably familiar with
the giant units that are
used to move the rockets
onto their launching platform-
tremendous tractor systems.
In the distant future, perhaps
the next 15 or 20 years,
huge tractors may be built,
with a nuclear reactor built-in
that can fuse the Earth into
canals, and transportation ways.
We can shape the Earth
by nuclear energy
without mixing concrete, without
having trucks and human beings
leveling the concrete.
We can do this today,
at 20 miles per hour,
if we wanted to.
Shape the Earth into highways,
waterways, flood control systems,
in a totally different
reorganized technology.
- Alright, now:
technicians working now
in this present setup in the
private industry concept,
why haven't we seen
more things like this,
if they are feasible?
If for, just for example:
the Japanese, or everybody's
working on a high speed train.
And you can't tell me that the
Japanese wouldn't like to have
-the Seaboard Railroad
wouldn't like to have-
a train that could get you
to New York in 20 minutes.
Even for a profit.
Why don't they?
- As far as I know, at present,
there is really no integrated
transportation system.
Integrating a transportation system,
you'd have to design, it's
just like designing a heart
of a human being- if
God did it this way-
and then he decided to
put some lungs nearby,
and then he built another
structure to hold our arms.
All of these are after-thoughts.
What we have to do is design
a city as a living system.
As an organism. As a university.
That all of the cities of the
future will be university cities
that grow, that continue
to exchange ideas.
The city will have a built-in
transportation system,
so there are no accidents, and no
un-thoughtout areas of technology.
Medicine, botany, agriculture, the total system.
One planning system.
Our cities have been
designed a long time ago.
The area like Miami-
downtown Miami,
may put in a couple of pots
and a couple of trees,
and this kind of simulating
an intelligent approach
to an environment which
costs thousands of dollars.
And these little intrusions
on Flagler Street
only cause the buses and the fire
engines and the emergency vehicles
to become further tied up.
They are no solutions.
They are clumsy, academic
approaches by people
immersed in this kind of
society, coming up with
their cop-out solutions that have
no relationship to the problems.
You cannot be a conventional
architect, a conventional engineer,
work for the telephone company, or
any other of the old establishment
and come up with an idea that
is a radical innovation.
The space program takes new
thinking; to save our country,
to save our land, to
save our environment,
to save our youth.
Our stupidity, our conflict-
we've got to reorganize
our way of thinking
and reconsider our social aims,
toward the brotherhood of man.
We do that or we perish.
- What do you think Frank Lloyd
Wright would have thought of this?
- I think that Frank Lloyd
Wright was establishment.
I think that his
architecture was radical.
But I think it was radical
in a limited way.
And we've got to get
away from this limited
"I did this" and "I did that
," and the self-centeredness
that dominates our
society today.
It must be a privilege to
serve members of society.
Not that we want rewards
or medals or honor
for what we do, because it
is just an honor to do it.
And if you cannot work for that,
then you missed the boat.
You don't understand the teachings
of the wisest men that ever lived.
- In your society there
are no mayors of cities
- There are no mayors,
there are no politicians,
and you don't have to
fill out any forms
to go to the arts
center or music center
and you go to a university whether
you can afford it or not.
If you want a suit of
clothes how do you get it?
Well, most suits of
clothing are designed by
anatomists and physiologists
to be comfortable.
Most of your shoes will
breathe as you walk.
They'll be very different
from the shoes
that dominate your
society today.
Most of your clothing will
be organically designed,
in that if you move your arms
it'll aerate and breathe.
And most of your clothing will
be washed by ultrasonics.
No detergents. No washing machines.
No centrifugal separators.
We can knock all of the fluid off
clothing today, by vibration.
We can knock fluids off clothing.
In other words
if you could move a piece
of fabric from position A
to position B rapidly enough,
the fluid will remain behind.
Ultrasonically vibrating the
fabric can remove the fluids.
And you need not
contaminate your waters.
You don't have to use any of the systems today.
Let me briefly say this:
You have a bumper in front of
your car and behind your car.
But in your society, your car
is hit on the side also.
You have safety belts and
harnesses in your car.
But that assumes that you're going
to be hit by the rear or in front.
If you're hit on a side you go right
through the side of the windshield.
What good are these approaches?!
They are designed by men that
are cerebral insufficients!
You've got to design a society
with a bumper all around the car,
phase out human drivers, put
electronic guidance systems in cars,
or eliminate the automobile, design
a holistic transportation system.
We must put our mind to this as
we do to put a man on the moon.
We must put our mind
to the social problem.
We wish to get away from politics.
We wish to get away from
the old world method
of solving problems.
If you can barely understand
what it is I'm trying to say
in this short period of
time, please investigate
socio-cyberneering.
- Are you saying that
General Motors could
build a safe car today?
Totally safe car, with
the knowledge at hand?
- Yes, if they're given
that assignment.
They're not given
that assignment.
- No, because they're working on their
own initiative to make more money.
- They're only interested in...
Look, if General Motors had
to service their own cars
I can tell you for certain
that they would have two
levers that you turn down and
pull out the engine, shove
it in a service unit.
And you know, to change a $3
spring in a car or a $2 part,
you gotta do a $45 job on a small
car just to pull the engine out.
But if they had to
service the car
I can assure you that whole
engine would slide out.
You know they put a race-car
wheel on with one turn?
That's the way your wheels would go on.
You'd have bumpers all around.
You'd have no chromium,
no ornament.
The chromium would be in the engine
where you have chrome-steel;
tougher engine. In other words,
the automobile companies have
total- actually they have contempt.
Let me say this again: All
manufacturers have contempt for you.
To sell you the toothpaste...
the products that they
sell you are deliberately,
deliberately designed to
wear out, break down,
so you have to continually
service those things.
You notice that your telephone
is pretty reliable?
Well, we here in
America can think.
We can design things
that don't wear out
and don't break down and don't
require maintenance, at all!
- Yeah the instrument, the phone,
that stays forever. -You bet.
If the automobile companies
had to maintain their cars,
it would be a forever-
- The phone company has to maintain the phone.
- You bet! - That's why it's good.
- That's why your units hold up.
- I never thought of that.
- Right on, most people haven't.
- You know operators can be bad, they
can be bad, but the phone itself-
- It's the same for your
TV sets by the way.
- You mean if RCA, if everybody
had to maintain their own...
- You bet. They'd all be ...
automatic systems
which you pull out, shove
in a replacement unit.
If your engine breaks down,
they pull out the engine,
shove in a courtesy
engine, and you take off.
Why hold up the whole car
when you need a battery job?
If you did that in the Army Air
Force, you couldn't operate at all.
Your society is really
comprised of very stupid men.
Let me say it again: all
politicians, all lawyers,
all businessmen,
will be phased out.
I'm not going to do it, it's
not going to be a revolution,
you don't need it.
Our society cannot be maintained
by this type of incompetency.
It was great, the free enterprise
system, about 35 years ago.
That was the last
of its usefulness.
Now we've gotta change our
way of thinking or perish.
Our system is dying.
If Nixon remains in, it
will die in his lap.
If a liberal group gets in,
the society will fall.
Our cities are going broke,
we don't have the money
nor the type of
mentality required
to save our society in
politics or government.
I am not your enemy, I am not
trying to destroy things.
I do not believe in revolution.
I believe that ideas must be
presented to American people.
They have to make the decision.
- Now, Dr. Fresco is in the local
phonebook, am I correct? - Yes.
- Is that the number people would call to contact?
- Yes.
- That's F-R-E-S-C-O.
Dr. Jacque Fresco.
And we're going to do
some more with you,
because you're...
You know what I'd like to do one day?
- There's a hell of a lot
on socio-cyberneering.
- A Special.
- I want to do one on human behavior.
- Now, human behavior, how
about a human behaviorist?
And how about some engineers?
You know,
what if I get a guy form General Motors?
- Great. Love it.
Love it. - An engineer of a car.
- Love it.
Get me the biggest establishment
people you can get hold of.
I'd love 'em.
Bankers, ecologists, economists...
I can't use the kind of
language I'd like to use on TV,
but I'd like to talk to them.
I'd like to blow it up for
you to understand it.
Like the money system now, the
whole idea of devaluation.
Nobody knows what it's all about.
They all think it's very complicated.
Actually it's very simple.
I'll tell you what it is
if I have the time in a
nutshell, what's going on.
If an island, like Haiti
had about several
hundred million dollars
in assets.
But they went on, and they
printed more money than they had
things to back it up, or gold.
Then that money has no value.
If a little island, say like
St. Croix printed lots of money and
just came to the United States
trying to buy things- they ran their
printing presses night and day-
the money is not backed, that's
why it doesn't have anything.
Your whole banking system
is utterly corrupt.
Your lending institutions
have loused up the system.
But there's nobody out there
telling you what's wrong with it.
So it looks okay to you.
I'm not afraid of anybody,
I don't work for anyone.
No one can discharge me.
I have no boss.
The only thing that can happen
to me is I can be put in prison.
Well there're many books to write.
In other words
there are many things to be done.
I am not afraid.
I am afraid to live in the
society we live in today.
The direction we're
moving in gives us
25 years for total
environmental destruction.
We have 7 years to
mass starvation.
We don't have much time.
- The value of a nation
-dollar value, America's value-
the value of the dollar is
not based on gold reserves,
the value of the dollar is based
on faith in this country, right?
And it's output isn't it?
That's the truth.
- You can't build a nation on faith.
It has to be backed up by resources.
- But if the French respect
the dollar, it's backed
by respect for
American resources.
- Respect, it only means that it
serves France in some useful way.
A nation's interest in any other
nation is always self-interest.
When we send representatives
to any other country
our self-interest is first.
Whatever happens to that
nation is secondary.
We have nothing but
utter materialism
which dominates our
society today.
- You're talking about all countries?
- Yes. All countries.
- The science is
socio-cyberneering.
The man behind it is Dr.
Jacque Fresco.
- I'm Larry King.