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JF MUSIAL: It is 8:00 PM in New York.
LEO PARENTE: Freakin' Wayne's World over there.
JF MUSIAL: I know.
8:00 PM in New York.
This is the 25 hours of the 24 Hours of Le Mans
livestream-a-thon here on the Drive network,
youtube.com/drive, as well as the front page of YouTube for
the next seven hours, I do believe.
If you want to contact us, we have a chat
as well as a Twitter--
twitter.com/drive or on Facebook--
facebook.com/drivetv.
I'm JF Musial, Leo Parente, we are going through
the night at Le Mans.
It's--
LEO PARENTE: And we have Mike Musto--
JF MUSIAL: 2:00 AM.
2:00 AM.
Yeah, we've got Mike Musto on the line.
Mike, say hi for the fans.
MIKE MUSTO: Yo.
How's everybody doing?
I wish I was there, not in California for once.
JF MUSIAL: We just witnessed the number 73
Corvette in the wall.
Let's go through a run down of everything that's
happened in the race.
I think it's time for that time.
I think it's time for that-- time.
LEO PARENTE: And I'm going to start with the easy one.
JF MUSIAL: You want to start with the Toyota crash
[INAUDIBLE].
LEO PARENTE: Oh.
Are we gonna recap the whole thing?
JF MUSIAL: Start [INAUDIBLE].
MIKE MUSTO: [INAUDIBLE].
JF MUSIAL: We got nothing but time to burn right now.
So--
LEO PARENTE: Wow.
OK.
So LMP-1, Toyota versus Audi.
Four cars versus two.
Two hybrids versus two hybrid Toyotas.
And it looked like a heads-up battle.
The lap times were showing competition.
They were all running in that top three, four.
And then in the six-hour mark, Anthony Davidson in the Toyota
hybrid, Molsanne straightaway, high speed, coming to the king
before the brake zone for the hairpin, tangled with a slower
GT Ferrari.
Very similar to last year's Rockefeller scenario, where
the two cars came together as they were at full chat.
And this time it was a big enough impact that it
separated one of the tires from Davidson's Toyota--
the rear tire.
But it turned the car enough that, fins and aerodynamic
holes over the fenders or not, the car went airborne,
flipped, did a full rotation, landed back on his wheels and
impacted the tire wall slash Armco barrier.
They both hit.
But Davidson went in pretty much front 3/4, a little bit
of side impact, at a very, very high speed.
Definitely 100 plus, 120, 150 miles per hour.
JF MUSIAL: Side impact, no less.
LEO PARENTE: Yeah.
The Ferrari hit and did a rotation, like McNish did last
year, and landed on its roof.
Both drivers eventually got out of their cars.
The Ferrari driver seemed to be more OK.
They took Davidson to the hospital for a checkup.
He had complained of some pain.
And then as it turns out, Mike found the Twitter feed that
showed that he was saying he has a broken back.
And very similar, unfortunately, to the testing
accident we saw with Audi at Sebring where Timo?
JF MUSIAL: Timo Bernhard went in very hard at turn 17 after
a wheel dislodged from the side impact.
LEO PARENTE: Same thing.
So the car protects the driver, but
to only some extent.
That reduced Toyota's challenge to one car.
But then mechanical problems for the remaining number seven
Toyota turned this into a showcase for Audi.
They're running one-two-three.
JF MUSIAL: Well, before that, the seven car actually was
involved in another incident with the DeltaWing.
LEO PARENTE: Oh, yes.
Sorry, you're right.
JF MUSIAL: That was the incident that put the
DeltaWing out of the race.
LEO PARENTE: So if we segue to that, on the restart from
Davidson's crash.
All the cars were grouped.
The two Audis were leading, e-tron and an ultra, chased
very close right behind by the Toyota.
They were working their way through traffic, GT traffic.
And as it turns out, Delta traffic.
And the last part of the Porsche curves, as they're
getting toward the start-finish, the Toyota was
being very aggressive--
appropriately aggressive--
to make a move that was there for the second
place against the Audi.
But did not see, apparently, the Delta.
Hit the Delta.
It basically dodgeballed off the track, hit the tire wall,
hit the hard wall, and the driver Motoyama, if I'm
pronouncing that right?
JF MUSIAL: Think so, yeah.
LEO PARENTE: Was apparently, from reports, working very,
very hard to repair the car to get it back to pit lane.
Suspension front and rear was damaged, and that led to the
retirement of the Delta.
JF MUSIAL: And then we had the flying lizard car, the numbers
80 pro car, went off as well.
They're out of the race at this point.
LEO PARENTE: Lizards have had a tough time.
The amateur car was in one of the Molsanne chicanes.
And one of the earlier Audis came up on it and--
almost felt it was brake checked-- fell off into the
marbles and went into the tire wall.
And the driver, one of the drivers of the day, was
getting out of a car.
JF MUSIAL: Romain Dumas.
LEO PARENTE: Romain Dumas.
And he was karate kicking the fenders--
JF MUSIAL: Of the R18, I'm sure.
LEO PARENTE: Off the car to get the car rolling again and
back to pit lane for repair.
JF MUSIAL: That's awesome.
LEO PARENTE: One of the front suspension sides was damaged.
So he basically kicked the car apart to get it rolling.
MIKE MUSTO: I got a question for you guys
when you get a moment.
JF MUSIAL: Sorry, yeah, one second, Mike.
LEO PARENTE: Drove it with half the steering and is back
in competition.
I don't think it's one of the top three cars.
But four Audis are still running.
JF MUSIAL: Yup.
And I just got word that the number 24 Morgan is gone.
LEO PARENTE: DNF.
JF MUSIAL: DNF.
LEO PARENTE: It looked like in the [INAUDIBLE]
it went into the tire wall.
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
The tire wall did it.
It did him in.
Musto, what were you going to say?
MIKE MUSTO: So really quick.
When these guys run at Le Mans, you've got so many
different classes between the LMP1 and 2, and the GT
classes, is there any animosity between the guys
[INAUDIBLE] the prototype cars and the LMP1 cars against the
slower drivers?
Or do they find it difficult to get around them?
Or how does that generally work?
LEO PARENTE: It becomes an individual thing.
Everyone recognizes the sport, having the different classes.
But if a driver repeatedly violates the code of what a
slower car should be doing, or violates the code as the
faster car-- being too aggressive and too arrogant--
you remember that.
But it's not so much the fact that we're racing together, or
the class, or a team.
It becomes driver to driver.
JF MUSIAL: Watching the number 51 Ferrari 458 Italia
Fisichella in the AF Corse leading, long run
on tires right now.
They've only pitted nine times.
That's the least amount in the entire category.
Really pushing the limits of their car.
Their best lap time is a 3:56.9.
Only comparable time would be the 73 Corvette in third
position, which is running relatively the same lap times.
That's a good observation, there.
They're clearly doing something with their pit
strategy to try to maintain the lead.
JF MUSIAL: It looks like someone just went off in the
first chicane.
It looked like a Ferrari 458.
LEO PARENTE: A lot of smoke.
JF MUSIAL: A lot of smoke.
Oh, that was the into Molsanne.
Looks like maybe just a brake lockup from one of the
Ferraris in front of the R18 right there.
Oh, no.
That's an Aston Martin.
OK.
I think we recapped everything we could.
I'm going to go to sleep.
No, I'm just kidding.
MIKE MUSTO: Now guys, max speed.
Are they nudging the 200-mile-an-hour barrier here?
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
Looks like the R18s are most certainly nudging 200 at the
end of the Molsanne.
51 is in the pits, just went in the pits quickly.
LEO PARENTE: I should look.
I'd be shocked if they're not over 200.
JF MUSIAL: Very interesting to see everything
going on right now.
Aston Martin was really strong out of the gate, now down to
the fourth.
Only about two laps down in GT, which is not that bad when
you consider everything.
Just saw one of the LMP2 cars go off right
after the fourth corner.
Well, it's night, no rain.
That's a change for Le Mans.
LEO PARENTE: From that standpoint, we've been--
look at the lights on that--
lucky this race so far.
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
Well, we had rain at the top of the first
hour during the start.
But now it looks all good.
Oh man, I wish I was there.
ALEX ROY: Me too.
I wish you were there, too.
JF MUSIAL: Thank you, Alex.
Alex, you wanna get up here?
ALEX ROY: Sure.
I'm just setting up a game.
LEO PARENTE: Am I on camera?
Do they see that?
JF MUSIAL: I love the look you just gave me.
LEO PARENTE: So now paybacks are gonna be [INAUDIBLE].
JF MUSIAL: Telemetry is showing 318 kilometers an
hour, 197 miles an hour, Musto, looks like.
They're topping 200 sometimes.
But I think the gearing limits that a little bit.
MIKE MUSTO: Gotcha, OK.
It
LEO PARENTE: So which Corvette Racing is this in the pits
where they're working on the air restrictors?
JF MUSIAL: I'm not too sure.
If anyone wants to follow on what we're doing, the official
ACO feed is--
MIKE MUSTO: I've got a question.
How many speed trannies are they running?
JF MUSIAL: Sorry.
What was that, Musto?
MIKE MUSTO: How many gears are there?
How many speeds are the trannies?
JF MUSIAL: In the R18s?
MIKE MUSTO: Yeah.
JF MUSIAL: I do believe it is a six-speed.
Six-speed.
MIKE MUSTO: Gotcha.
JF MUSIAL: If you want to follow along,
live.lemans-tv.com, they've got the feed, as well as live
timing and scoring.
Alex, got a lav on?
ALEX ROY: Yeah.
[INAUDIBLE].
LEO PARENTE: Catching up on the comments.
I'm not sure what you mean, "we do see it, Leo." I wonder
what that was.
No.
Ford does not have any cars in this race, no private entries,
nothing to my knowledge.
JF MUSIAL: I think the 74 is in the garage now.
74 Corvette.
LEO PARENTE: Corvette?
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
LEO PARENTE: I would hate to see that race
fall apart for them.
But--
JF MUSIAL: They were running strong.
Very strong.
LEO PARENTE: So that must be the car they're working on the
restrictors.
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
LEO PARENTE: And then someone said a Ferrari crashed?
MIKE MUSTO: Wouldn't it be cool if it was just an actual
'73 Corvette?
JF MUSIAL: I know you'd love that.
ALEX ROY: In the comments it was stated that Musto will
obviously ask whether you can enter vintage cars.
JF MUSIAL: It's all you.
ALEX ROY: Oh, you're letting me sit here, now?
JF MUSIAL: Did you put a lav on?
ALEX ROY: Not yet But I need one.
But you'll notice I brought a girth concealment shirt.
LEO PARENTE: There's no girth involved.
ALEX ROY: It's a two-layer process, much like the outfits
worn in the race.
LEO PARENTE: So you're gonna have to translate to Mike,
because you can't hear me.
So if you two had your choice of driving a car at Le Mans,
which cars would each of you pick to race at Le Mans?
ALEX ROY: Mike?
LEO PARENTE: You have to tell him.
JF MUSIAL: You gotta speak into the--
ALEX ROY: Into the what?
MIKE MUSTO: I can hear you.
But you're breaking up.
JF MUSIAL: Put the lav on.
ALEX ROY: Can I have the lav, please?
JF MUSIAL: Yes.
I put it in front of you.
ALEX ROY: All right. hang on a second.
Hold on a moment.
What's happening here?
LEO PARENTE: We're waiting on you.
MIKE MUSTO: If I could drive any car it would probably be
the 'Vette or the DeltaWing.
ALEX ROY: The-- no.
LEO PARENTE: And if you had any chance to drive anything
of any generation, forget competitiveness and that, how
far back would you go?
What would you drive?
What would you like?
MIKE MUSTO: Oh, probably one of the Ferraris from back in
the early '60s, I think.
LEO PARENTE: Well, Michael, you surprise me.
I didn't know you'd go that direction with the whole
Ferrari thing.
MIKE MUSTO: I like old-schools cars, man.
I like cars that have like six moving parts.
ALEX ROY: All right.
Mike, can you hear me now?
MIKE MUSTO: Yeah.
But you've got such a [INAUDIBLE].
I'm literally catching every third word.
ALEX ROY: Should I pick up?
LEO PARENTE: Yeah.
Go ahead.
ALEX ROY: Musto, can you hear me now?
MIKE MUSTO: Now I can hear you.
ALEX ROY: OK.
MIKE MUSTO: I'm getting four words and then
I'm getting a delay.
ALEX ROY: OK, I'm gonna ask you a question and then I'm
gonna put you back on speaker so you can answer, OK?
MIKE MUSTO: All right, love it.
ALEX ROY: All right.
If you're a real man, why would you not be driving say,
a Porsche 908 or 917.
[INAUDIBLE].
Also, thank God you're not here to break my arm.
MIKE MUSTO: Because at six-four, 250 pounds, there's
no way my big *** would fit in that car.
ALEX ROY: I see.
MIKE MUSTO: That work?
ALEX ROY: Yeah.
I guess that answers it.
I'd have to say I would definitely pick a Porsche 917
over anything else.
Steve McQueen drove it, that means men drove it and
everything else is a lady-boy car.
JF MUSIAL: [LAUGHING].
ALEX ROY: I know that what you just said, and I
couldn't hear it.
You just said, I just broke your arm.
MIKE MUSTO: [LAUGHING]
I would never say that to you.
Come on, bud.
[INAUDIBLE CONVERSATION]
ALEX ROY: What's the best way to do this?
LEO PARENTE: Ask him a question, put
the phone on speaker.
ALEX ROY: All right.
What's the question you want me to ask him?
JF MUSIAL: If you're not gonna respond, then--
MIKE MUSTO: Because I'm actually, I'm seeing you on a
time delay by like twelve seconds.
LEO PARENTE: OK.
So here's my question.
ALEX ROY: All right, hang on.
I'm gonna give you Leo's question.
MIKE MUSTO: You got it.
LEO PARENTE: OK.
So DeltaWing only has 300 horsepower.
ALEX ROY: And DeltaWing only has 300 horsepower.
But hold your thought on arm-breaking.
LEO PARENTE: Can you have a big muscle car with low
horsepower like the Delta?
ALEX ROY: How do you reconcile wanting to drive a big
horsepower car with a low-horsepower lady car like
the DeltaWing.
LEO PARENTE: I didn't say lady car.
ALEX ROY: Hold on a second.
Speakerphone.
MIKE MUSTO: It's just power-to-weight like
anything else, man.
You could put a 250 horsepower in something like a Miata, go
out on the track and have a blast all day long.
LEO PARENTE: Thank you.
ALEX ROY: Man enough to tell the truth.
I like what I'm hearing from Musto.
Musto, but let's talk.
I feel like I'm on a submarine and it's like a captain
hailing the engine room.
And in the engine room Musto is always the guy who answers.
Engine room, Musto speaking.
In fact, you ought to rename your show Engine Room.
MIKE MUSTO: Nice.
LEO PARENTE: Engine room, we hit an iceberg.
What do we do now?
ALEX ROY: It's OK.
[INAUDIBLE]
iceberg, as long as you got the power-to-weight ratio
[INAUDIBLE]
just right.
MIKE MUSTO: That's all right.
We'll do a joint episode between that and Road Finger.
ALEX ROY: So--
[LAUGHING]
He wants to do a joint episode between that and Road Finger.
ALEX ROY: Now, Musto.
Here's my question to you.
All right?
This DeltaWing thing, no matter how cool it looks and
in theory is, don't you think that it's not the best-looking
DeltaWing a DeltaWing could be?
MIKE MUSTO: Yeah.
I mean, I'd love to see something--
I mean, it looks just like something out
of Battlestar Galactica.
But I like it because it'll give
everybody out their ideas.
And it'll start sparking imagination,
and it'll be cool.
You know?
ALEX ROY: OK.
Wait a second.
You just raised a really interesting issue, which is it
does look like a colonial Viper, but somewhere like
between gen one and gen two.
But if we're going to go down this road--
MIKE MUSTO: Oh, boy.
ALEX ROY: There was a book that recently came
out called Area 51.
Where they were discussing all the different theoretical
flying vehicles you could have.
And I read an article with Gordon Murray talking about
how if he was starting with a clean sheet design, it would
look something like a train but it would be articulate
like a caterpillar.
And if it wasn't that, it would look like a flying
saucer with just wheels--
two in the back and one in the front about to take off.
So is what you're really saying that a Cylon raider is
the next generation competitor to the DeltaWing?
MIKE MUSTO: Absolutely.
In fact, if they brought the DeltaWing back and painted it
like a Cylon raider it'd be the greatest thing ever.
ALEX ROY: Mike Musto, everybody.
Is there anything else you want to ask the master?
LEO PARENTE: No.
I think this is great.
ALEX ROY: Anyone else, any questions?
JF MUSIAL: Alex, I just want to point that
they can hear him.
ALEX ROY: Oh.
MALE SPEAKER: [INAUDIBLE].
JF MUSIAL: No, but you--
but--
[LAUGHS]
ALEX ROY: I just want to make sure that Leo
can hear what's happening.
I'm wearing my engine room naval shirt.
LEO PARENTE: I think it's great.
I think this is perfect.
ALEX ROY: OK.
Anything else to ask Musto?
JF MUSIAL: I know you must have one more question.
ALEX ROY: No, I don't.
I need to relax and figure out what's [INAUDIBLE]
for two hours.
MIKE MUSTO: What?
ALEX ROY: Um, to be clear, engine room.
I had to go home and get headphones and a pedal set for
the Forza set up.
And because you know, that's my value-add.
MIKE MUSTO: OK.
Well, if you've got
headphones, I've got a headphone.
What's your name on Forza?
Because I might have to chime in there.
ALEX ROY: Oh.
Are we friends?
He wants to connect.
He has a Forza account and wants to go head-to-head.
So I'm POLIZEI ARoy.
So send me a friend request.
And what's your handle?
I shouldn't be--
JF MUSIAL: It's case though, isn't it?
MIKE MUSTO: It's real simple.
It's TheRealMrAngry.
ALEX ROY: OK.
Hang on a second.
Is that uppercase, lowercase?
It's case sensitive, isn't it?
MIKE MUSTO: I don't know what it is.
I'm not even logged onto it yet.
ALEX ROY: OK.
Well, then let me give you mine.
Because mine's easier.
It's capitalized, the word "polizei" all capitalized,
space, capital A, capital R, lower case O-Y.
LEO PARENTE: Wow.
MIKE MUSTO: All right.
When are you going on?
ALEX ROY: I'm logged in now.
So send me a friend request, I'll OK it.
And then I'll call you back and we can go head-to-head.
MIKE MUSTO: This is gonna be so disappointing for you.
OK, no problem.
ALEX ROY: I cannot believe what I was just told.
Engine room says, Mike "Engine room" Musto said, this will be
so disappointing for me.
It's OK, I haven't played in a while but
that's not an excuse.
MIKE MUSTO: What are you driving?
ALEX ROY: Well, I'm gonna drive an Audi R18.
MIKE MUSTO: Oh.
ALEX ROY: What did you think I was going to drive?
MIKE MUSTO: I don't know.
I thought maybe it'd be an M5 or something.
[INAUDIBLE].
ALEX ROY: No, no.
We're doing Le Mans.
And we're sticking to Le Mans rules and the whole thing.
MIKE MUSTO: Uh--
All right.
That sounds fun.
ALEX ROY: OK.
Bye.
LEO PARENTE: There's a huge delay.
Good job.
ALEX ROY: [INAUDIBLE]
engine room.
That really is a great name.
MALE SPEAKER: I love it.
ALEX ROY: No one's used that before.
MALE SPEAKER: Let's go with it.
ALEX ROY: I think my new outfit has given me a new
lease on Le Mans coverage life.
LEO PARENTE: That's starting to feel like Adam Carolla
"Loveline."
ALEX ROY: You don't like my shirt?
LEO PARENTE: I like your shirt.
You stay here.
I want to drive your car tonight.
ALEX ROY: OK.
You don't expect me to cover this alone.
I have no idea what's happening.
I don't know anything about racing.
LEO PARENTE: Yes, you do.
That's BS.
That's BS.
ALEX ROY: [INAUDIBLE] from shakedown.
LEO PARENTE: No.
Here's what you need to know about racing.
They're changing a lot of parts right about now.
A ton of Cars.
Are coming in and out of the garage, ton of repairs.
There may not be rain on Le Mans, there certainly seems to
be mistakes happening in the dark.
ALEX ROY: Tell me what happened with the Morgan car.
Oh, there's two Morgan cars.
LEO PARENTE: There's two Morgan cars.
Let's check.
One of them went into the tire wall and ended up resulting in
a DNF, even after it got back to the pits.
ALEX ROY: That sucks.
LEO PARENTE: And I may have lost the whole--
no, here it is.
ALEX ROY: [INAUDIBLE] grab this iPad cable.
LEO PARENTE: Sure.
Mike is back.
MIKE SPINELLI: Hey.
Hi.
I'm back.
LEO PARENTE: Hi, Mike.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah.
They closed down Fort Man-***.
LEO PARENTE: Why?
MIKE SPINELLI: Zoning issues.
LEO PARENTE: Zoning issues?
But I'm sure you've got another-- you know, you're
getting very creative here today.
MIKE SPINELLI: I really just need to defend this area.
Because there's nobody left over here,
unless Alex comes back.
LEO PARENTE: What happened?
MIKE SPINELLI: No.
Anyone can sit down here.
I'm fine with it.
LEO PARENTE: So the P2 class is having a ton of turnaround.
Because now we've got a Honda in P1, same lap,
followed by a Nissan.
Am I talking too loud?
MIKE SPINELLI: No, the echo's back.
And the reason is that something just happened.
I don't know.
[INAUDIBLE].
LEO PARENTE: And suddenly all the Judds have fallen off the
radar here.
MIKE SPINELLI: I know, especially Ashley.
LEO PARENTE: And all the--
[LAUGHS]
No, she's a camera hound.
I'm surprised she's fallen off anything.
MIKE SPINELLI: Who's the sister?
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah.
You know, for the longest time, I didn't realize Ashley
was part of the Judd singing family.
MIKE SPINELLI: I know.
She's the non-embarrassment.
ALEX ROY: Are you serious?
LEO PARENTE: I swear to God.
I did not know that.
ALEX ROY: You didn't know that?
LEO PARENTE: I did not.
I don't follow the Judd family.
ALEX ROY: But you followed her in the [INAUDIBLE] movie with
Morgan Freeman, right?
LEO PARENTE: Which one?
MIKE SPINELLI: Oh, it's fantastic.
LEO PARENTE: Which movie?
MIKE SPINELLI: The whole thing about the girls.
Uh--
Kiss the Girls.
Right?
Kiss the Girls?
MIKE SPINELLI: Yes.
That's what it was.
And what was the one where her husband is framed for ***?
ALEX ROY: That was a dirty one.
MIKE SPINELLI: My husband is framed for *** and I'm--
ALEX ROY: Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
[LAUGHTER]
LEO PARENTE: I can't find a Morgan here on the list.
Are they no longer running?
ALEX ROY: Wow, that echo really is becoming a problem.
LEO PARENTE: Is that what they said?
ALEX ROY: No, now it's fine.
Now it's fine.
LEO PARENTE: Yeah.
A, if anyone knows what happened to the Morgans, the
second Morgan is==
MIKE SPINELLI: Wait a minute, Morgan
Freeman and Ashley Judd?
ALEX ROY: What a coincidence.
MIKE SPINELLI: Hmm.
ALEX ROY: That was bad.
That was bad.
LEO PARENTE: Look how long it took me to catch up.
MIKE SPINELLI: I'm just saying.
I think there's a movie there.
LEO PARENTE: Oh, no.
I thought you were talking about the car?
MIKE SPINELLI: I was.
LEO PARENTE: Morgan Judd?
MIKE SPINELLI: That's right.
LEO PARENTE: OK.
[INAUDIBLE]--
MIKE SPINELLI: Kiss the Girls.
Sorry.
Alex was already there.
I'm sorry.
I've been away too long in Fort Man-***.
ALEX ROY: Just stop bringing it up.
MIKE SPINELLI: I haven't been with people.
ALEX ROY: Just stop bring it up like Nixon and people will
forget it happened.
LEO PARENTE: Have you been been monitoring the comments?
And do they want to talk about anything?
ALEX ROY: Not what he just brought up.
MIKE SPINELLI: Well, let's put it this way--
they--
LEO PARENTE: There's no chocolate in these.
MIKE SPINELLI: Have nothing.
Well, they, um-- let me see here.
Well, that's the thing with something pieces.
We can't say it, by the way.
We can't say it because it's a brand.
LEO PARENTE: Oh, really?
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah, yeah.
But the something pieces, you would think that it had
chocolate and peanut butter.
But that's always been the case,
they're just peanut butter.
So they're just sort of--
LEO PARENTE: This is not good.
MIKE SPINELLI: Well, you're supposed to eat them with
M&Ms. And then they're--
LEO PARENTE: You're supposed to mix them?
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah.
LEO PARENTE: And by the way, isn't M&M a brand name?
Didn't you just screw up?
MIKE SPINELLI: Well, we're not showing it here.
LEO PARENTE: Oh, I see.
OK.
MIKE SPINELLI: And M&Ms have become kind of generalized,
like Kleenex.
LEO PARENTE: They're like aspirin.
MIKE SPINELLI: Or aspirin.
LEO PARENTE: Like aspirin, as in generic.
MIKE SPINELLI: Like Bayer Aspirin.
Kleenex brand Kleenex.
LEO PARENTE: Alex, how much for that shirt?
ALEX ROY: A lot of people are asking.
We used to sell--
LEO PARENTE: 22nd place for Morgan.
Sorry.
ALEX ROY: It's OK.
Dare I say, this shirt would be expensive.
JF MUSIAL: Alex, your Forza [INAUDIBLE].
ALEX ROY: It's working?
Public?
Public?
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
I just created a race.
ALEX ROY: Did you create it as a public race?
JF MUSIAL: [INAUDIBLE].
ALEX ROY: All right, guys.
We're just minutes away from me testing the Forza setup.
Would you pay $50 for this shirt?
Let me know in the comments now.
LEO PARENTE: You trying to dig up money for dinner?
ALEX ROY: These shirts, by the way, I--
LEO PARENTE: Do you have a supply of them?
ALEX ROY: I do have a supply of these shirts.
And I also have a supply of these patches, all customized.
What I don't understand is why these racing teams sell such
bad merchandise.
You know?
It's a big moneymaker in Formula One.
LEO PARENTE: I had a client in the design business that was
all over that, oh my God, why is the
racing apparel so boring?
And two things seem to sell.
If you sell 100% accurate of a famous team,
you can make money.
But if you sell something that has more fashion design, you
make money too.
But you go down the midway of any of these races, it's the
most horrific stuff I've ever seen.
MIKE SPINELLI: By the way, speaking of--
LEO PARENTE: Horrific stuff?
MIKE SPINELLI: Horrific stuff.
LEO PARENTE: The Drive TV t-shirt you're wearing?
MIKE SPINELLI: No.
I just want to promote the Drive t-shirt with--
LEO PARENTE: Hold it above the *** so we can--
MIKE SPINELLI: With *** inserts.
It's actually *** inserts.
I actually weigh 115 pounds.
This is an entirely--
LEO PARENTE: That is heavy cotton.
That is a heavy--
MIKE SPINELLI: Oh, yeah, yeah.
No, it's all sewn in.
$12.
By the way, $12 for these shirts.
ALEX ROY: Well, my shirt--
MIKE SPINELLI: How do we get them, Josh?
ALEX ROY: This shirt would be about $75.
LEO PARENTE: So that's $2 a font over there.
MIKE SPINELLI: $2 a thought, exactly.
LEO PARENTE: Not thought, font.
MIKE SPINELLI: Oh, font?
LEO PARENTE: See the slash, Drive, $2.
MIKE SPINELLI: Josh, how would someone get a shirt like this?
Wait a minute, where are the cameras pointed?
Where should I be looking?
Oh, over there?
All right.
Josh, where would someone who would want a shirt like this
with man-*** inserts--
MALE SPEAKER: Actually the man-*** are extra.
It's $19.99 with man-***.
MIKE SPINELLI: This is a custom version of this shirt.
So it's $12--
MALE SPEAKER: They're very lifelike.
LEO PARENTE: Lifelike?
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah.
MALE SPEAKER: Yeah.
But we're only doing those on special order.
We only have 200 pieces.
ALEX ROY: Actually, that's 100 sets, 200 ***.
LEO PARENTE: Right.
ALEX ROY: But in a case, relatively soon we're gonna
get cleared by Amazon for distribution on the shirts.
MIKE SPINELLI: Right.
ALEX ROY: We have them in stock.
Their priced at just above cost to sell, really as a gift
to our fans.
I wish we could give them away.
But we will give some away.
LEO PARENTE: Order now.
Delivery just in time for Christmas.
MIKE SPINELLI: By the way--
LEO PARENTE: No?
Sooner than that?
MIKE SPINELLI: I'm going to bring up another thing that
all the commentators who are kind of new tend to do this.
All the Apple product they see, they sort of assume that
it's some kind of product placement.
And I just want to say, I appreciate that people would
think that we would actually get Apple product placement.
You know what?
Because it's--
LEO PARENTE: At this juncture, who's to say we didn't?
MIKE SPINELLI: Who's to say it?
LEO PARENTE: Who's to say?
MIKE SPINELLI: Exactly.
We did get an--
MALE SPEAKER: Actually, but Microsoft sponsored our
curtain rigging set design.
LEO PARENTE: Oh, I get it.
I get it.
For those of you hanging around here.
Let's remind everyone we're not broadcasting the race,
we're commenting and hanging out watching
the race with you.
MIKE SPINELLI: By the way, what's going on with Ferrari?
Which Ferrari is out?
LEO PARENTE: The Ferrari that crashed was a pro-am car.
And I don't mean to diminish the category, but we still
have in the pro side, I believe, the two
Ferraris one, two.
MIKE SPINELLI: I just got a comment that Ferrari's out.
And I haven't--
LEO PARENTE: Somehow I'll try catch up.
MIKE SPINELLI: The feed's a little wonky.
So I haven't seen it.
And of course Speed isn't showing it at the moment.
LEO PARENTE: What are they showing?
MIKE SPINELLI: Commercials.
LEO PARENTE: And every time I go to Radio Le Mans it's like
listening to a United Nations French translator.
No, I got Ferrari is one and two and I'm pretty sure.
And I think the car that crashed was a pro-am car.
MIKE SPINELLI: OK.
LEO PARENTE: So Fisichella still in the lead in his AF
Corse Ferrari 458.
Luxury Racing, Dominik Farnbacher, in second place.
And Jan Magnussen, who was the second of the two Corvettes,
has elevated himself into position three.
And guess what, they're all on the lead lap.
So Corvette's never give up, never say never--
their attitude.
JF MUSIAL: Some people are asking what happened to
Corvette and also where are you guys
getting your feed from?
ALEX ROY: Before we answer that, [INAUDIBLE]
some questions.
This is a response to [INAUDIBLE], I own a
PlayStation and I own Gran Turismo.
And I don't enjoy playing it.
The car selection's poor.
It's a hassle.
And if you look at some of these public statements on
sales of the game, you'll see that the marketplace bears out
my reaction to the game.
Whereas the Forza franchise has been a consistent seller.
It's repeat playability is there.
And although I will concede that it's not as absolutely
rigid in its physics model as GT5.
It's infinitely more playable.
At the end of the day, it's a game.
I know it.
I want it to be fun as a game should be.
If I wanted a sim, I'd get Sim Racing.
So--
JF MUSIAL: What's Sim Racing?
I've never heard of that.
LEO PARENTE: IRacing, you mean?
ALEX ROY: Simraceway.
LEO PARENTE: Simraceway?
ALEX ROY: Yeah.
LEO PARENTE: Got it.
ALEX ROY: Which I don't have.
But when I have the time and money to invest in a real rig,
that's where I'm gonna go.
And not just because I met Gus.
JF MUSIAL: I couldn't believe how fun, though, and addicting
that karting track [INAUDIBLE].
ALEX ROY: [INAUDIBLE].
And Allan McNish agrees.
LEO PARENTE: Go ahead.
ALEX ROY: He agrees.
In any case, we are going to do--
[INAUDIBLE], GT5's the highest-selling racing game.
LEO PARENTE: And McDonald's sells more hamburgers than a
good place.
ALEX ROY: I can't say.
What I read was that GT5 was a disappointment to Sony.
Is it the highest-selling racing game overall?
Sure.
But did GT5 do as well as everyone thought it would?
No one I spoke to.
But let's get back to what's going to happen here.
I don't dislike Gran Turismo, it's just not what we're going
to be playing today.
We're going to be playing Forza.
So if you'd like to play me, then please post your gamer
tag here and I will be parsing them in the next 15 minutes
and making a list and send you invitations soon.
LEO PARENTE: What were the two questions you had, JF?
Where were we watching the feed?
Are you referring to the Audi TV?
So the live in-car behind us is from AudiTV.com.
MALE SPEAKER: Audi.tv.
LEO PARENTE: Audi.tv.
There you go.
Google.
That's what Google's for.
But it is the Audi official feed and they're carrying the
in-car camera for the entire race.
And speed.com has the online feed, as well as they are
on-air right now.
And then there are a couple of other feeds
to carry the live--
which basically, lemans.org when you go to the live
timing, they've got broadcasts up above the live timing and
scoring, if that helps.
And that is where we are picking up our live timing and
scoring right now.
I must say, it's not as good as the F1, which gives me
segment times through a given lap.
And you can really see who's making time and who is not and
where they're strong in a track where they're weak.
So we're kind of doing the best we can with timing and
scoring from the official lemans.org feed.
Really do want to see more comments and we'll try to
answer your questions.
Besides the fact that Alex, why do you have a Swedish flag
on your shoulder?
JF MUSIAL: And why is your name in the GT5 credits?
LEO PARENTE: Me?
JF MUSIAL: I'm asking.
LEO PARENTE: Oh.
Well, you go first.
ALEX ROY: Your name's in the GT5 credits?
LEO PARENTE: Yes.
ALEX ROY: Why?
LEO PARENTE: Why do you have a Swedish flag?
Go first.
ALEX ROY: Before I answer that, it's because--
LEO PARENTE: Answer something.
ALEX ROY: OK.
A $50 shirt, which now costs $75 because you asked that
question, comes with full Velcro removable patches.
Every country, everything fully customized.
In this case, for my modest achievement of having the
Guinness Book of World Record cross-country driving time.
And you can have a selection of Siberian
border police patches.
Or in this case, Kamchatka border police patches.
And any country you want.
Sure Juggles26 Is the first on my list of drivers, not
because his name is Sure Juggles.
But because he's the first response to
post his gamer tag.
For all the people out there who say they want to play me,
I don't see a lot gamer tags coming down the pipe.
Except for Matt Pastromney.
MIKE SPINELLI: And The Gent5.
ALEX ROY: Wow.
JF MUSIAL: Key rule.
Don't leave that there.
ALEX ROY: I don't seem to be able to reach it.
JF MUSIAL: I know you.
ALEX ROY: Can you bring it back, please?
JF MUSIAL: No.
ALEX ROY: Well, then I'm leaving the
set to go drink it.
All right, gamer tags.
What else do you see there, Spinelli?
MIKE SPINELLI: Uh--
Ew Velcro.
[LAUGHS]
That's not somebody's gamer tag.
That's just somebody saying "ew, velcro."
LEO PARENTE: How many competitors
do you need to race?
ALEX ROY: One.
There you go.
LEO PARENTE: So, finally?
ALEX ROY: But I'm not driving yet, I'm relaxing.
I just got back.
I'm marinating and psyching myself up.
LEO PARENTE: Oh.
Oh, you know what?
I thought you guys were kidding.
OK, the question of why my name was in GT5.
I didn't realize it was going to be in there.
Someone actually told me after the fact.
But apparently they put my name in there because I helped
them put their deal together with General Motors and--
remember the Corvette ZR1 and all those hot cars?
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah.
LEO PARENTE: So I helped get them together, one of their
partnership things from PDCAmarketing.com.
Sales pitch.
But yeah, much to my surprise.
Literally, someone emailed me saying do you know your name
is in there?
And they sent me the screen capture.
And I called the people.
I said, why'd you do that?
And they said, well, besides the money, thanks.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah, there you go.
ALEX ROY: Most people would be really proud of being listed
in the credits of Gran Turismo.
LEO PARENTE: I didn't do any-- well, I did--
ALEX ROY: Yeah, you did.
MIKE SPINELLI: Oh, come on.
You put them together.
You're a network, what do they call, a networker?
A dot connector?
ALEX ROY: He's a connector.
MIKE SPINELLI: A connector, yeah.
ALEX ROY: Now, I'm not in the credits.
But I'm in a much more unexpected place.
If you go to, what is it?
The Class B Automated Race Team Management in the game.
You know what I'm talking, Spinelli?
MIKE SPINELLI: Yes.
Yes.
ALEX ROY: And you select among the drivers, you know,
[INAUDIBLE] driver selection?
And there's like 20 or 30 stock names.
And they're ranked by speed, charisma, reliability, I don't
know what the criteria are.
And A. Roy is one of the drivers.
MIKE SPINELLI: You're kidding?
ALEX ROY: It's totally bizarre.
MIKE SPINELLI: So I'm only in one weird spot.
I'm in a death metal zine from 1988.
But a Brazilian one.
It's a Brazilian death metal zine circa 1998.
ALEX ROY: Yes.
MIKE SPINELLI: That's all.
That's all I got.
ALEX ROY: That's very interesting.
Let's talk about me again.
So the comments here, [INAUDIBLE],
Simraceway is free.
Yes, it is free.
But you pay for cars.
And if I had to pay.
MIKE SPINELLI: Wait a minute.
Audi off, Audi crash, Audi spun.
What happened?
LEO PARENTE: Where?
Are you watching Josh?
Or are watching the real show?
MIKE SPINELLI: I'm watching the comments.
Because my feed has been acting up.
LEO PARENTE: And for what it's worth, I guess the Corvette is
back in P8 coming out of the pits after repair.
So I know I'm being maybe too aggressive with
timing so much left.
But it's down to Magnussen to save the day for Corvette if
they're going to win at Le Mans this year.
MIKE SPINELLI: What do we got here?
LEO PARENTE: Yeah.
I don't see anything on the feed yet.
I see car number three in the pits.
MIKE SPINELLI: Audi off, number three off.
LEO PARENTE: Well, it's in the pits right now.
MIKE SPINELLI: It was on the live stream behind you.
While we were blabbing.
LEO PARENTE: Really?
Is that what they said?
MIKE SPINELLI: That's what they said.
[LAUGHTER]
LEO PARENTE: So stop asking me about my name in Gran Turismo.
MIKE SPINELLI: This is what happens on hour 10 and 1/2.
LEO PARENTE: No, you know what?
I'm not using that as an excuse.
We just screwed up.
Who cares about your Swedish flag and me being in Gran
Turismo, let's watch the race.
MIKE SPINELLI: It's Dumas.
LEO PARENTE: Sorry.
He's in the pit right now, though?
MIKE SPINELLI: Is that a spin?
Wait, what's on there now?
LEO PARENTE: Pit stop.
Geez, a car was just coming into the pits.
Dumas, car number three?
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah.
LEO PARENTE: Oh.
So Dumas is the car that's trying to catch up.
He was in P6, at least on timing and scoring right now.
So this did not affect the top three positions in the race,
which are the top three Audi.
All right, I guess I have to ask the obvious.
Are the fans getting bored that it's going to be another
Audi domination?
ALEX ROY: I have to say right off the bat, I would be bored
to tears with more Audi domination.
LEO PARENTE: Really?
ALEX ROY: I remember my dad would watch Le Mans, he didn't
really follow Formula One.
He cried when Senna died, and then maybe more than ten years
ago I started following Formula One.
And this was at the end of Schumacher's reign.
And I wanted desperately to get into it.
And I couldn't get into it.
Because even my friends who were giving me the background
were bored to tears and couldn't draw any enthusiasm
for what was going on.
So if you're a new fan of racing, Formula One today is
what you want to be watching.
LEO PARENTE: I was really bothered by people criticizing
that Vettel was dominant.
He deserved it.
He earned it.
ALEX ROY: Yeah.
Also, he just started.
What?
Someone's not allowed to have a reign?
It should be random every time?
LEO PARENTE: But here's Audi.
They're having a reign.
They've earned that.
ALEX ROY: Yes.
They've earned it.
[PHONE RINGS]
ALEX ROY: Audi calling.
[SIDE CONVERSATION]
ALEX ROY: I am reading off gamer tags.
And I've got Sure Juggles, Matt Pastromney, JDM Falcon,
XXXP3, LTZ Viper, [INAUDIBLE], [INAUDIBLE], Defcon Luke, K2
the Mog, Colvic, Muffin 11, Phantom, Ali Baba,
and You're Own Power.
LEO PARENTE: How are you going to make this decision?
ALEX ROY: Well, I can fit I think 10, 12, 15 people.
So if you guys hang out, it's going to take me a little bit
to actually set all that stuff up.
LEO PARENTE: Hey, Josh?
Are we going to cover his race?
ALEX ROY: Well, I don't know how much we're
going to cover it.
MALE SPEAKER: Let's see how well [INAUDIBLE].
ALEX ROY: And people are asking what the race--
MALE SPEAKER: If he [INAUDIBLE] just terribly, I'm
gonna point the camera that way.
ALEX ROY: Asking what the race rules will be for the race
we're gonna do in Forza against me.
LEO PARENTE: What type of rules?
What do you mean?
ALEX ROY: Well, the rules are going to be-- we're going to
do four laps, in the Le Mans circuit, the current one.
It's going to be restricted to R1 class, so LMP1 cars.
It's going to be forced ABS off, traction on, forced
manual gear box, allow upgrades, allow tuning
upgrades, and allow suspension upgrades.
LEO PARENTE: Oh, I see what you're doing.
You're setting the specs.
ALEX ROY: Yeah.
LEO PARENTE: How about crash damage?
How are you treating that?
ALEX ROY: We're gonna do full crash damage.
LEO PARENTE: Oh.
ALEX ROY: OK.
And that's the way it is.
LEO PARENTE: In sim racing--
I'm serious, I'm not as versed in this--
if you go full crash damage does that clean up the quality
of driving.
Do people realize you can't ***?
ALEX ROY: No.
In fact, what often happens is right off the starting line,
somebody just rams all the other cars and hopes that he's
still running sufficiently to keep going.
And that's not going to be looked kindly upon by me.
And I will insult you for the next 12 hours.
So while we are working on downloading some things on the
XBox, some updates, so standby.
Jason Bordeaux, I just got your message and I'll add your
tag to the list.
So, do me a favor.
Don't add any more tags to the list for now.
Because I've already got 15, 16 people.
But I will answer two quick questions.
The status of my M5?
It's largely garaged.
And I try drive a Citroen SM as my daily driver.
And I just bought a Morgan three-wheeler.
So that's about it.
Eventually, someday if I have kids, [INAUDIBLE]
M5.
If not, I will give it to an automotive museum that doesn't
consider me a criminal.
LEO PARENTE: There are five of those left, right?
ALEX ROY: I had to [INAUDIBLE] some automotive
museums in the past.
And I spoke at the FBI Academy and brought the car there and
put it on display.
Oh, my goodness.
We have the return of Raphael Orlove.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Hi.
MIKE SPINELLI: By the way, just want an update on Anthony
Davidson's condition.
He sustained fractures to his T11 and T12 vertebrae, which
you know what?
Means that as bad as it is, he's lucky.
He's very lucky.
ALEX ROY: He is.
I had an offer for my shirt of over $100.
And I do have badges and patches and other items.
If you are interested in a shirt, please send me a
private message on YouTube.
My account is AlexRoy144.
Send me a private message and I'll be glad to talk about it.
LEO PARENTE: Jan Magnussen's car is number 73, for the
person asking.
And JF was sending me a pit board.
What was the signal there, I missed it?
JF MUSIAL: Break.
LEO PARENTE: Break right now?
We can go to break.
JF MUSIAL: Soon.
Not right now, soon.
LEO PARENTE: Do you have the list of videos?
Or am I looking at the remaining list?
ALEX ROY: Black Shinigami says I forgot about him last year.
And I presume that you mean that I did not get around to
racing against you.
So I will add your name to the list.
And is your gamer tag Kuroshine?
Please let me know.
And if it's something else I didn't get back to you on,
then please send me a private message.
YouTube, my account's AlexRoy144.
ALEX ROY: Leo, here's a question.
I've always wanted to know this.
How did you first get involved with
automotive racing and marketing?
LEO PARENTE: Wow.
So the short answer is, my mom and dad are college
professors, I was going for my MBA, I was teaching part time,
but the school that I was going to Babson in Wellesley,
Edsel Ford was going to undergraduate.
So Ford interviewed me.
And I'd always thought that marketing was kind of BS and
the auto industry, or the business, was whatever.
In the auto industry, the only company that interested me at
the time was Ford.
So it became an interview that was put up or shut up.
They made an offer.
And rather than go teach, I joined them.
They put me in their management training program,
which ended up being basically sales and marketing.
And off we went.
Nine years with them, nine years with Toyota.
Ended up in corporate advertising.
Started our own practice.
ALEX ROY: You make this sound all just so simple and
pedestrian.
LEO PARENTE: I never was a VP of anything, it was just a
corporate food chain.
And we went on and somewhere in there we were exposed to
racing. and somewhere in there I got a chance to drive.
And I raised money to sponsor myself and off we went.
ALEX ROY: That kind of explanation, if I was younger
and I heard that, I would not ever get into racing or
marketing based on that.
LEO PARENTE: Good.
And we're going to--
[LAUGHTER]
LEO PARENTE: Here's the deal.
It ain't about me.
And we're going to break.
ALEX ROY: OK.
LEO PARENTE: And for another time, people.
ALEX ROY: When JF raises the purple paper in his hand.
[MUSIC PLAYING]
MIKE SPINELLI: By the way, what are we going to talk
about now that I finally get the big chair.
And now what?
What do we talk about?
ALEX ROY: Well, as Ned Stark learned when he received the
pin of the Hand of the King.
Sitting in the big chair--
MIKE SPINELLI: Oh, Leo's back.
LEO PARENTE: I'm going to the bathroom.
Is this?
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah.
That's off.
Yeah.
Make sure that thing is off.
MALE SPEAKER: Race update?
Race action?
MIKE SPINELLI: Race action.
By the way, now that I left my laptop over there, I have to--
Well, Audi's still--
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Do you want me to read off what's going on?
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah.
Could you take care of that?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Happily.
So with 184 laps, the e-tron quattro of Fassler is up in
position one, followed by the e-tron quattro of Kristensen
just down on the same lap.
Again, followed by the third Audi R18 ultra and then the
two Lola-Toyotas.
And so that's P1.
So the plain R18 ultra is two laps down.
The Lolas are six and eight down.
On to LMP2.
It is the Honda which is up at 172 laps.
They're in first place for LMP2.
Followed by a brace of Nissan Orecas running the
next, what is that?
Five cars.
On to the GT cars, GTE Pro.
It is, wow, it's the 458s are in the first three positions,
each on the same lap.
And just behind them on the same lap is the Corvette of
Magnussen and then Aston Martin Racing is a
lap down from them.
Then in GTE Am, it is the IMSA Performance Porsche 911 RSR
followed by a Corvette and then two Ferrari 458s.
MIKE SPINELLI: Cool.
ALEX ROY: I would like to just interrupt the flow of that
topic by reading my nominee for comment of the day.
Comment of the day--
Hey, Drive guys.
Do you have any experience running Lexan rear
windshields?
Specifically, can you mount it with adhesive to carbon fiber,
or do you need screws?
This is for an illegal street car.
Thanks a lot.
That's from F1 Villain.
Back to the race car action.
MIKE SPINELLI: Well, F1 Villain, I tend to go with
epoxy for these circumstances, or these needs.
Your needs will be taken care of by epoxy.
And I'm sorry to use the passive
voice in that sentence.
ALEX ROY: The peasant voice?
MIKE SPINELLI: The passive--
passive peasant voice.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Just remember to take out your armrests to
save weight.
MIKE SPINELLI: Just don't forget to
take off your armrests.
ALEX ROY: I say you should remove the driver's seat all
together and go for more dynamic--
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: You could be like the Fastest Indian and
just lie down, steer like that.
MIKE SPINELLI: I say use chicken wire.
It always worked for me.
ALEX ROY: And I see that The Corn Tower has just remarked
that Alex has truly raised the level of discourse.
MIKE SPINELLI: Thank heavens.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: [INAUDIBLE] which are not true.
ALEX ROY: OK.
Corn Tower.
Back to racing coverage.
MIKE SPINELLI: Racing coverage.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I've been out for the past hour and 1/2.
Can you guys tell me what happened?
MIKE SPINELLI: Well, I made a fort.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Did anything interesting
happen in France, Mike?
MIKE SPINELLI: There was an accident.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Really?
What happened?
MIKE SPINELLI: I peed in my pants.
ALEX ROY: No, seriously.
If you're gonna sit here, you're gonna sit in Leo's
chair, you--
MIKE SPINELLI: You mean I have to actually do stuff?
ALEX ROY: You actually have to do--
MIKE SPINELLI: All right.
All right.
All right, all right.
Let's talk about racing.
ALEX ROY: Now, give us everything that's
happened up until now.
I'll start.
This is the 25 Hours of the 24 Hours of Le Mans.
Mike Spinelli of Jalopnik, Raphael Orlove who knows more
than the other two people sitting on camera right now.
MIKE SPINELLI: Combined.
ALEX ROY: Alex Roy here for comic levity.
Now the DeltaWing's out, which is sad.
Because I wanted to see it finish just to prove a point.
We have one of the Toyotas is out.
They're both out.
MIKE SPINELLI: Both out.
ALEX ROY: They're done.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: What?
The other Toyota's out?
MIKE SPINELLI: That was the news.
ALEX ROY: Do you even know what's going on here?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I thought he was just down?
MIKE SPINELLI: Down and out.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Just down many laps.
MIKE SPINELLI: Hey, Leo?
LEO PARENTE: Uh, yeah?
MIKE SPINELLI: Toyota.
What happened to the the number seven Toyota?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: They're still in it, just
30 laps down, right?
MIKE SPINELLI: They're 30 laps down?
LEO PARENTE: No.
They're out.
Both Toyotas--
MIKE SPINELLI: No.
They're out.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Both Toyotas are out?
MIKE SPINELLI: See, I told you.
I told you I knew what I was doing.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: This is what happens when I go eat dinner.
LEO PARENTE: [INAUDIBLE].
I'm over here.
MIKE SPINELLI: No, no, no.
You come over here.
LEO PARENTE: Why?
My mic is not on.
MIKE SPINELLI: Your mic should be on.
No.
Because I need to go back to the chair of levity.
I need to--
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Do you want this chair?
ALEX ROY: I've been asked what's
happening at 32:07, guys.
LEO PARENTE: I literally was going to take a break, but OK.
MIKE SPINELLI: Oh, you wanted to take a break?
All right, no.
So we'll actually--
You want me to get serious?
I'll be serious.
I'll be serious.
ALEX ROY: Leo, just walk away.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Can you hear me now?
MIKE SPINELLI: I'll be serious.
LEO PARENTE: Yeah.
There was a cooling mechanical problem with the
number seven car.
They've been in and out of the pits.
MIKE SPINELLI: But it's DNF.
LEO PARENTE: Finally retired, both cars are done.
MIKE SPINELLI: Both cars are done.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: No way.
LEO PARENTE: Too much
glad-handing, but they're done.
ALEX ROY: We've been told, enough of
Audi-dominated Le Mans.
Move on.
Well, great.
We can talk about whatever we want for the next nine hours.
MIKE SPINELLI: Well, that's kind of why we started with
all the other stuff, is that it--
ALEX ROY: Well, wait.
Who else is there in LMP1 still running?
MIKE SPINELLI: Oreca?
LEO PARENTE: You're [LAUGHING]
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: No, in LMP1 it's the 'Yotas.
LEO PARENTE: [INAUDIBLE].
P1 is also gas-powered.
So you've got the [INAUDIBLE].
MIKE SPINELLI: I know.
I--
LEO PARENTE: There probably is an Oreca somewhere.
JF MUSIAL: [INAUDIBLE] now or Toyota now?
LEO PARENTE: They're DNF.
DNF.
JF MUSIAL: Oh, they're done?
LEO PARENTE: They're done-done.
MIKE SPINELLI: Oh, wait.
You didn't know, either?
JF MUSIAL: No, I thought they were down, like we said the
race was over as in there's no hope for them.
But I didn't know they were out.
LEO PARENTE: Yeah, they're both retired.
JF MUSIAL: Oh, man.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Yeah, that sucks.
[PHONE RINGING]
Wow.
ALEX ROY: I believe this is Sean Heckman of the Media
Barons, the oldest PR firm in automotive racing in the
world, from the days of unicycle jousting, Sean
Heckman, of the Media Barons.
SEAN HECKMAN: Dude, this is sad.
ALEX ROY: Who is this?
SEAN HECKMAN: Who do you think it is?
ALEX ROY: This is Sean Heckman?
SEAN HECKMAN: Yes.
ALEX ROY: Why is it sad?
Are you referring to the race or what I
said about your company?
SEAN HECKMAN: No, you, specifically.
ALEX ROY: Oh, sorry.
SEAN HECKMAN: No.
That's all right.
No, I'll forgive you.
ALEX ROY: No, really.
People love it, though.
SEAN HECKMAN: No.
That's fine.
Look, I know nothing about entertaining
as much as you do.
So I will just sit back and enjoy.
ALEX ROY: Can [INAUDIBLE] hear what he's saying?
MALE SPEAKER: What?
ALEX ROY: Can anyone hear--
Heckman's not--
MALE SPEAKER: Yeah.
ALEX ROY: He can be heard on the--
MALE SPEAKER: Yes.
ALEX ROY: On the engine room phone?
MALE SPEAKER: Right, yes.
ALEX ROY: Sean, I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to make light of your
company, the Media Barons.
SEAN HECKMAN: Well, that's [INAUDIBLE].
It's very sad.
Because we are both mostly global.
And we have a staff of thousands ad we've been around
for centuries, as you said.
So--
ALEX ROY: Oh.
So he did hear me say they've been around for centuries,
since the days of unicycle jousting.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yes, [INAUDIBLE].
ALEX ROY: Well, if you were called the Media Chamberlains,
I might have taken you more seriously.
Hey, listen, Heckman.
You're one of my favorite folks.
You, unlike everyone else here except Leo, actually did race
professionally.
And so you know, obviously, way more than the founder of
Jalopnik over here, Mike Spinelli.
MIKE SPINELLI: No, it's--
continue.
ALEX ROY: Now that the Toyotas are out, do you really intend
to stay up all night and watch this race?
SEAN HECKMAN: Oh, God, no.
No, not at all, to be honest.
I got to be honest, and I'm a little bit biased out here,
but to me there was never going to be an issue
[INAUDIBLE].
There was no question as to whether or not the Audi's were
gonna win it anyway.
The Toyotas always made it public that they were making a
valiant effort but they knew this was their first year and
it wasn't gonna be a year they could win.
So when the Peugeots pulled out six months ago, we all
knew this was what the race going to be.
And to be honest, sort of GT.
It appears this is a race that's gonna be, I hate saying
it, but a fairly average race.
ALEX ROY: So you're telling me that you were waiting for both
Toyotas to DNF so you could go to sleep?
SEAN HECKMAN: Both the factory Toyotas have pulled in.
Now there are gas-powered Toyotas still
in there from Rebellion.
And if there's a story in P1 to watch, it's actually the
Rebellion team.
Rebellion is actually a really--
I don't mean to sort of make it about racing here, because
I know we're talking about unicycle
jousting and man-***.
But Rebellion is actually a really, really quality team.
And right now [INAUDIBLE]
to run on what we call a petrol-powered car is almost
impossible to be competitive.
And the fact they're sort of knocking on the door to the
podium, that alone would be a win.
And in the second car, right now, Jeroen Bleekemolen is one
of the drivers.
He's actually got a lot of cousins out here in the US
running ALMS, and Grand Am.
And he's really, really talented.
So stateside, those of us who've been following ALMS and
Grand Am should definitely be rooting for that
car, the number 13.
ALEX ROY: So the next question then, is you obviously think
Davidson was innocent in that bump he had earlier today?
SEAN HECKMAN: I have to apologize.
I could barely hear a word you were saying.
You're breaking up.
ALEX ROY: Davidson.
And the Davidson crash.
SEAN HECKMAN: Davidson, yes.
Go ahead.
ALEX ROY: What is it with the Ferrari Am drivers
hitting LMP1 cars?
SEAN HECKMAN: Yes.
Here's the thing.
I have two very strong opinions on this.
There are a lot of people who are very critical of GT Am.
And the bottom is, I think people who are critical aren't
necessarily aware of the business reality of 2/3 of the
paddock in sports car racing right now.
The truth is, 2/3 of the paddock are funded simply
because we have drivers who can quite frankly
afford to do it.
And they're not always the fastest.
But they keep it going.
And they keep a lot of guys employed beyond just
entertaining fans.
So the GT Am category is definitely a necessary evil.
But at the same time, I mean, this is the second year in a
row where we've had massive accidents.
We're lucky no one has been seriously injured.
Because we're essentially just waiting for that to happen
before we do something about it.
And that's the thing that concerns me.
What I would be in favor of, moving forward, is I would see
some sort of minimum speed, or minimum percentage, or
something to that effect.
So that if a GT Am driver is gonna be out there-- and
again, that's an evil we all have to embrace, because
that's just the nature of this kind of racing--
but it would be really nice to see them uphold themselves to
a certain standard.
And if they can't maintain a certain pace, chances are
they're probably not safe enough to be out there.
And maybe we can avoid some of the
incidents we've been having.
ALEX ROY: What happened to the guy last year who had the
[INAUDIBLE]
Rockenfeller.
SEAN HECKMAN: Again, I'm sorry.
We're gonna have to go back to the engine room.
ALEX ROY: Sorry.
What was the name of?
I forget his name.
I'll have to look him up.
But last year there was the--
LEO PARENTE: Kaufmann, Kaufmann.
ALEX ROY: Kaufmann?
LEO PARENTE: Yeah.
He's racing this year.
SEAN HECKMAN: Rob Kaufmann.
Yeah.
Rob Kaufmann is a perfect example of sort of the
necessary evil.
But Rob Kaufmann, as a gentleman driver so to speak,
he's a big part of a lot of organizations stateside.
Not just with the AF Waltrip Corse team, but also he's a
big part of what's keeping NASCAR going
with the two teams.
Obviously, with the Michael Waltrip connection.
But he's a perfect example of you need him in the sport like
this to keep it funded, to keep it exciting.
But there needs to be some sort of rule set where if he
can't maintain a certain pace, or does anything that's
demonstrable to somebody that's sort of driving
recklessly or with a lack of awareness of what's coming up
behind him, then again we need to regulate that.
But it's easier said than done.
Because we can't do away with that kind of category.
Because we need those guys to keep the [INAUDIBLE]
teams healthy.
ALEX ROY: Well, Kaufmann and Parazini.
It looked like these guys are actually pretty experienced
drivers, even if they are technically Am drivers.
And so by any standard of minimum speed you think
necessary, these guys would probably have met it.
Is that not true?
SEAN HECKMAN: You know?
I don't actually know that that's true.
Because experience, to me, when it comes to older
drivers, doesn't always mean a whole lot.
I don't really want to name any names, just for the sake
of my own business.
But I know guys who have been racing for a long time.
But yet they still can't manage to keep
the car on the road.
And so there should be a rule that if they manage to go off
the road a couple of times during their stint, or if they
can't maintain a minimum speed-- and there are guys,
there are guys that we are watching right now who are
actually doing very well in the Am category--
who quite frankly are a danger, still.
And it's only going to take one of the instances to go
horrifically bad that we're finally gonna realize the
danger in that.
But I don't necessarily that all these guys would be able
to maintain a minimum speed.
But it doesn't have to necessarily be that.
I'm not saying a minimum speed is the answer.
I'm saying some sort of policing system, where if they
go off the road X number of times or if they do X number
of maneuvers that are considered dangerous, or not
in the best interests of a faster field coming up, then
we have to bench them.
Or we have to sit them down for an hour or two and force
them out of the car and come back.
Again, I'm not saying these are the right answers.
I am saying there needs to be something that we can do to
keep these guys here but make sure we're keeping a certain
level of safety in mind.
MIKE SPINELLI: We got to do a top-of-the-hour break.
So--
ALEX ROY: OK.
We have to do a top-of-the-hour break.
But I actually, am feeling very embarrassed suddenly.
Because having known Sean Heckman through work, and a
little bit socially, I was hoping to have more of a
freewheeling chat with him.
But in the absence of Leo, Heckman becomes the most
knowledgeable and helpful person we could possibly have.
MIKE SPINELLI: Absolutely.
ALEX ROY: So I'm hoping that we can reconnect with you
sooner rather than later.
Are you gonna be around the next hour or two?
Keep him on the phone?
SEAN HECKMAN: I'm happy to take it off about racing.
We don't have to talk about racing, [INAUDIBLE].
Whatever you guys want.
ALEX ROY: No, I would like very much
to talk about racing.
Could you do a recap?
MIKE SPINELLI: We're breaking for Drive's 25 hours of the 24
Hours of Le Mans.
Stay with us.
We're just breaking a little while.
[MUSIC PLAYING]
MIKE SPINELLI: Hey, you're watching 25 Hours of the 24
Hours of Le Mans with Drive.
I'm Mike Spinelli.
JF MUSIAL: Hey, Mike.
LEO PARENTE: Hi, JF.
JF Musial's here.
JF MUSIAL: It feels like [INAUDIBLE] right here.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah.
It does feel a lot like [INAUDIBLE].
We sort of took over.
Leo's taking a break to play a little bit of Gran Turismo.
I mean, I'm sorry, Forza.
JF MUSIAL: Forza.
Watch the [INAUDIBLE].
MIKE SPINELLI: Alex is taking a pee break.
But he's coming back.
ALEX ROY: He took took my coffee and
now JF took my seat.
JF MUSIAL: It's over there.
MIKE SPINELLI: JF took his seat.
So there's a little bit of a problem.
ALEX ROY: Heckman's on the phone.
And I wanted to ask him about signalling systems.
JF MUSIAL: Come on in.
MIKE SPINELLI: Come on in.
Let me just recap.
Toyota is out.
Audi's dominating LMP1.
Rebellion Racing's down a few laps.
But do they have a shot at taking one
of the podium spots?
ALEX ROY: They have no shot.
Let's talk to Heckman.
It's more interesting.
He knows what he's talking about.
MIKE SPINELLI: I'm just wrapping it up.
Now you talk to Heckman.
ALEX ROY: If we have the best racing [INAUDIBLE].
MIKE SPINELLI: All right.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
ALEX ROY: [INAUDIBLE].
Sean, hello.
SEAN HECKMAN: That's a complete lie.
I'm a PR guy, I'm just good at making it up as I go.
ALEX ROY: Sean Heckman claims he's only a PR guy.
But he's not.
He raced professionally himself.
So he knows what it's like to get behind the wheel.
And he actually knows how to shoot content about racing and
has many clients to prove it, including TRG, which is a
whole 'nother operation.
SEAN HECKMAN: TRG, actually not true anymore, by the way.
ALEX ROY: Oh.
Well, that doesn't matter right now.
So Sean, the accident last year with Rockenfeller and the
accident today with Davidson.
So we were talking earlier about the rules of basic
passing, the protocols of race craft and getting
through race traffic.
What, if any, improvement has taken place in terms of
signalling in such situations, other than
installing brighter lights.
Because the case could be made that in the Rockenfeller
accident last year, the lights were so bright that when the
Audi was approaching the Ferrari--
[INAUDIBLE] was approaching, that it was so bright that the
car he was approaching could not discern distance of the
approaching car.
So other than installing brighter lights or flash
systems, is there anything to be done about this?
Is there a technological solution that's been
considered and rejected?
Is there anything else to be done here?
Harsher judgements--
SEAN HECKMAN: It's easy for me to say this because I'm not
the guy driving the car.
But no.
Lights are lights, and they work.
There could be [INAUDIBLE] has a light that's too bright,
[INAUDIBLE] maybe wouldn't know it was coming.
Or if something was completely off, but then that becomes the
problem the guy behind you.
But I mean Rockenfeller's case was a perfect example.
As was the one that happened today with Davidson.
Which is, we call it in racing a predictable line.
It is both the responsibility of the guy that's coming but
also the guy that's getting passed to drive in a
predictable fashion, then everybody knows
where you're going.
So Davidson, for example, heading into the Mulsanne
corner, was clearly inside of the Ferrari.
And the Ferrari still seemed to move over and hit him in
the left rear.
And that's a case of not driving a predictable line.
Davidson sort of made it clear, in the way that he
juked to the inside that he was going there.
The Ferrari gave him the room and then cut in for no
explicable reason.
That was, of course, during daylight.
So you can't really blame headlights for it.
But in the case of Rockenfeller's
accident last year, no.
It just comes down to the fact that you've got--
it's a little bit of both people's responsibility--
essentially Am drivers.
Because if you notice in all of these incidents they've
come from the GT Am category and never from a quote-unquote
pro driver within that lineup.
So in the case of the Ferrari here that crashed.
It was one of their amateur guys.
It was not the guy who is a designated pro.
Because the pros, even though they're in treacherously slow
cars compared to some of these P1 cars, the rate of
difference approaching isn't so bad, so long as you drive
in a predictable fashion.
If you make it very clear as a GT car that you're turning, or
that you're leaving room, or [INAUDIBLE] that
you're going to brake.
[INAUDIBLE] doesn't come to putting a hand signal up,
putting a light or something like that on there.
It becomes clearly to just driving in
a predictable fashion.
Everybody here knows this track.
Everybody knows the line.
Everybody knows more or less what GT cars do, what P1 cars
do, what P2 cars do.
And therefore, they know how to act accordingly, if they
are able to maintain a certain speed and a certain amount of
sensibility as they drive.
So it really comes down to what I call that predictable
line and making sure you have drivers who understand how to
make it clear that they're going to stay wide or that
they're going to cut to the inside, or
whatever the scenario.
ALEX ROY: I have another question for you.
And I hope you don't mind these questions.
But there's no one to ask but you.
SEAN HECKMAN: Sure.
ALEX ROY: So--
Oh, look at the [INAUDIBLE].
SEAN HECKMAN: We can make more Steve Coogan jokes.
MIKE SPINELLI: The number 74 'Vette's been in
the pits for a while.
[INAUDIBLE] having it's--
ALEX ROY: Hold that thought.
Because I have Heckman now and I want hear
his answer to this.
Sean, when you have an accident--
SEAN HECKMAN: Sure.
ALEX ROY: Well, No, in fact, I will let facts get in the way.
MIKE SPINELLI: No.
Would you like to ask him about the Corvette situation?
Is he on the ground?
ALEX ROY: What would you like me to ask?
He's in LA right now.
MIKE SPINELLI: All right.
Then continue.
ALEX ROY: When you have a serious accident and there is
some question over the responsibility of a driver.
What exactly happens in terms of a hearing, or reevaluation
of the racing license?
And when has there been a repercussion that changed the
course of a driver's career?
SEAN HECKMAN: It's probably not fair for me to answer that
relative to the ACO and the 24 Hours of Le Mans because I've
never been in that situation.
Nor do I know anybody who's gone through it.
But the short answer to that is every
series is very different.
NASCAR, for example, does have a very clear review policy.
If somebody's out of line, you do what's called getting
called into the hauler.
Grand Am and ALMS have their own procedures.
IndyCar has a different procedure.
There's two things that a guy never wants to hear
that he's bad at.
And racing is the other thing, or driving is the other thing.
And so you're never gonna hear a guy admit responsibility for
the fact that he should have done something different when
it comes to an accident.
And that's why we have officiating, to be there.
But the specifics to what the ACO should do with
respect to Le Mans.
How to justify who was at fault, who should have backed
off, who should have not backed off, or whatever?
There's no easy way to police that.
That's up to the series and the track marshals to do that.
[AUDIO GLITCH]
SEAN HECKMAN: And literally every series
has something different.
NASCAR from Formula One to IndyCar, they all have their
own different policies.
Some work better than others.
But [INAUDIBLE]
different dynamic, which I know it's not really
answering it per se.
But there is no easy way to judge that.
ALEX ROY: Actually, you did kind of answer it.
Because the whole time, I couldn't stop thinking about
the greatest disservice that racing fans have been served
by Hollywood and racing films is not the quality of the
special effects, which are crap, or the plots, which are
mostly crap, but the depiction of the
personalities of the drivers.
Because invariably, it seems like every Hollywood racing
movie it's always, he just can't dial it back.
Rubbing is racing.
Let's get whatever, and blah blah blah.
But if anyone actually drove like Tom Cruise in Days of
Thunder, would he keep his racing license?
SEAN HECKMAN: Well, in fairness, I actually learned a
lot about driving from Days of Thunder.
For example, if you need to pass a guy, you just need to
shift gears.
[LAUGHTER]
ALEX ROY: Yeah That's very interesting.
SEAN HECKMAN: I mean, if you want to go wide or go high on
a guy-- hopefully [INAUDIBLE] the tire there.
But the truth is, you just have to put your foot all the
way down on the floor and you'll get
around him quite easy.
ALEX ROY: Yeah.
It's amazing.
My last question has to do with the movie Le Mans, which
I just watched.
And after watching it, I watched Truth in 24 II.
And then I was looking up Audi's historic drivers and I
saw that Frank Biela, right?
Frank Biela, I'm pronouncing it correctly?
That he had an accident where he struck another car in 1995
that had already spun out.
And he struck it and killed the other driver.
Do you know the story of that?
SEAN HECKMAN: I do know the story, actually.
ALEX ROY: And I had never heard that story before.
But Biela went on to win many races.
And that seemed to be an honest racing accident.
Has anything like that occurred at
Le Mans since 1955?
Not that I know.
SEAN HECKMAN: No.
Well, we did lose a driver at Le Mans in a testing
accidental.
We lost--
crap, I can't think of his name now.
But it was in an Audi actually, the old R8.
A tire went down at [INAUDIBLE].
This was like 1999 or 2000.
And I for the life of me, of course as soon as I'm on the
air, I can't think of who it was.
[INAUDIBLE]
a very talented driver.
I don't think we've had a fatal
accident during the race.
And we certainly haven't seen anything in terms of side
impacts or two guys getting together that led
to something fatal.
But having said that, the closing rates and the
differences in speed between some of these P1 cars and
these GT Am cars is so high that we are asking for it.
I mean, it's no different than if you look at IndyCar for the
last 10 years and them racing on the one and 1/2 mile ovals.
We knew there was gonna be a tragic accident coming.
And it wasn't until we actually had one last October
that we did anything about it.
And I really feel like we're seeing something very similar
right now, where we know these big accidents are coming.
We've already seen a few.
And it's not gonna be until something really bad happens
that we're gonna finally do something about it.
ALEX ROY: Well, Sean, thank you so much for bringing
reason and lucidity to our proceedings.
I will now lower level the discourse by thanking you and
ending this call.
SEAN HECKMAN: Go for it.
ALEX ROY: But we'll be in touch with you to maybe chat
it up with you a little later tonight if
you are still awake.
SEAN HECKMAN: If I'm awake and not [INAUDIBLE].
ALEX ROY: You're the king.
Thanks.
And I will not make too much more fun of you.
I promise every reference will be in the
context of Game of Thrones.
SEAN HECKMAN: [LAUGHING]
Well, you can always make fun of me, Roy, I'll just come
right back.
ALEX ROY: But Heckman, but I love you.
SEAN HECKMAN: All right.
Love you too.
ALEX ROY: Thanks so much.
So Sean Heckman, president of Media Barons and all-around
great guy who ran-- didn't he drive in F3 or
what'd he drive in?
MALE SPEAKER: Japan.
ALEX ROY: In Japan?
MALE SPEAKER: Yeah, I think so.
ALEX ROY: That's why he's not playing sims with us because
he will kick our fracking ***.
MIKE SPINELLI: He is out of our league.
Or we are out of his league.
ALEX ROY: So what happened while I was gone?
MIKE SPINELLI: Well--
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: In the Game of Le Mans.
MIKE SPINELLI: Westbrook's Corvette--
ALEX ROY: In the Game of Le Mans, you pass or you die.
MIKE SPINELLI: So Corvette's in the pits.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I also watch that show.
MIKE SPINELLI: Hey, hey, hey.
Race.
Race is on.
Corvette's in the pits.
The steering rack.
ALEX ROY: Really?
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah.
But it's--
ALEX ROY: Oh, yeah.
No, they're-- wow.
MIKE SPINELLI: It's the 74 Corvette.
ALEX ROY: Yes.
Oh, they're down.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah.
They're way down and they've been in the pits for about at
least as long as Alex was on the call with Heckman.
ALEX ROY: And what's up with 73?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: The Magnussen car?
It went down with a disc.
[INAUDIBLE] they replacing a disc?
MIKE SPINELLI: 73 is now--
73 is in the pit, too.
You right.
You're absolutely correct.
And then we've got Fisichella's
Ferrari driver change.
He apparently spun but we didn't get the feed on that.
But that's what's happening.
ALEX ROY: OK.
Guys, Forza.
As you could see, I was on the phone.
Now I'm off the phone.
I'm going to go to the fire escape to do what a man does
when the bathroom's locked.
And when I return, we will settle into Forza.
And we will see manhood defined by--
JF MUSIAL: You're 15 minutes into your hour.
[PHONE RINGING]
ALEX ROY: What hour?
JF MUSIAL: You gotta do a sting.
ALEX ROY: What?
What?
JF MUSIAL: [INAUDIBLE].
ALEX ROY: Why don't you relax?
So I see we're having clips of old Le Mans races being shown
on Speed and footage from Le Mans the film.
And in an amazing coincidence I just saw that the Ford GT40
used as the camera car in the movie Le Mans is up for sale.
And actually, what's really interesting about that film is
that you don't see any GT40s in it anywhere.
And it's never said that what year the race or the movie's
supposed to be taking place.
Obviously it's 1971, 1970, but it's Ferrari and Porsche.
MIKE SPINELLI: Now is it the same GT40 that was used in the
filming of Grand Prix.
ALEX ROY: I don't believe--
MIKE SPINELLI: Because that was a GT40 also.
ALEX ROY: I don't know.
However, the car, which has an incredible history, including
a lot of wheel time for Steve McQueen in it, clearly saw
some of the coolest driving action of all time.
And in an indication of how much it's going to
cost to buy the car--
You can't believe that I know anything about anything?
JF MUSIAL: No.
I was not even saying anything about you.
I was talking about the chat.
ALEX ROY: Is that I will now see if they're
talking about me.
Oh.
I have to admit, they're paying more attention to the
live stream after I took the pilot seat.
Anyway, so the car was used not just for the filming but
was owned and restored to its original spec.
So it might be, other than one of the race-winning cars, one
of the most valuable GT40s ever built.
And today, if you want to buy that car, and I'll go find the
link somewhere, they will not quote you a starting bid.
Serious inquiries only.
MIKE SPINELLI: If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
ALEX ROY: Will it be you?
Will it be you?
MIKE SPINELLI: It won't be me.
ALEX ROY: Anyway.
MIKE SPINELLI: Unless I could unload Fort
Man-*** for a profit.
MALE SPEAKER: [INAUDIBLE] has walked into the room with
Dunkin Donuts.
ALEX ROY: Is that Jordan Vega?
Who is that?
We right now have Jordan Vega just entered, who is an old
friend, a member of Team Polizei, and the Drive team.
And more importantly, who's also a [INAUDIBLE]
kick boxer.
So if you have any comments that--
MIKE SPINELLI: And he apparently brought donuts,
which is the official meal of Fort Man-***.
Oh, look at comments.
For the love of the break, please break out the whiskey.
No one has any idea what Alex is talking about.
Girth concealment check.
And that's why Alex is the best.
MIKE SPINELLI: Girth concealment check.
Am I gonna have to go and build another fort?
I'd like to build a fort over here.
But there's just not enough material.
Materiel.
MALE SPEAKER: We have a red velvet curtain behind you.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah, we have a curtain.
I mean, I could--
MALE SPEAKER: No, no.
Below the TV.
ALEX ROY: Wait.
There's a great quote from MP4F1.
Great quote from Speed.
Excuse me, I was speaking.
You should listen to my wisdom.
OK?
David Hobbs just said the following--
we are charged with bringing in the non-racing fan.
So we don't get to do anything really
interesting with racing.
MIKE SPINELLI: What?
ALEX ROY: That's unbelievable.
JF MUSIAL: David Hobbs did not just say that.
ALEX ROY: Yeah he did.
JF MUSIAL: Is he in our comments right now?
ALEX ROY: What happened to the guys who were on an hour ago?
You mean Leo Parente, who is the Donald Rumsfeld of racing
coverage in that every time he sits down and looks at who's
across the table, he says to himself, I guess you cover
racing with the hosts you have.
MIKE SPINELLI: Not the hosts you wish you had.
He's dealing with a lot of known unknowns.
ALEX ROY: Well, you have to say that my presence, right or
wrong, is both controversial and--
what are you scratching your head-- every time I look over
it's like looking at the guys in Muppet show in the box.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: We're just here to give you questionable
looks so you doubt everything you've ever done in your
entire life.
ALEX ROY: [INAUDIBLE] we ask for fictional
histories of Le Mans.
MIKE SPINELLI: Mike, we're saying sit under the table.
That's your fort.
MIKE SPINELLI: Well, did you know that Thomas Jefferson was
actually the very first person ever to race at Le Mans?
You know that?
He--
ALEX ROY: But not in a car, though?
MIKE SPINELLI: No, really.
Thomas Jefferson did not drive a car.
JF MUSIAL: This is going
somewhere, let's pay attention.
MALE SPEAKER: Was it like a foot race?
MIKE SPINELLI: [INAUDIBLE] in a foot race with Benjamin
Franklin over a woman.
ALEX ROY: That's not true.
MIKE SPINELLI: Her name was Cherie.
MALE SPEAKER: Dude, if this is some made-up history--
MIKE SPINELLI: No.
I'm serious.
ALEX ROY: Made-up history must be based in reality.
MIKE SPINELLI: No, no, no.
Not on this side of the desk.
ALEX ROY: The truth is that Voltaire was the first.
MALE SPEAKER: Voltaire was the woman.
ALEX ROY: And he subsequently--
MIKE SPINELLI: Is who they were fighting over.
Reason.
They were fighting over the-- the-- the--
JF MUSIAL: This never happened.
This never happened here.
Are we gonna waste the time to handle that?
MALE SPEAKER: Hey, hey.
Did you really start to Google that?
MALE SPEAKER: Of course.
MALE SPEAKER: Thomas Jefferson, Le Mans, race.
MIKE SPINELLI: Foot race.
Thomas Jefferson ran Le Mans in a foot race.
MALE SPEAKER: How's the feed going?
ALEX ROY: The comments here are, "did you know Abraham
Lincoln was a vampire hunter?"
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: No way.
ALEX ROY: Yes.
And Raphael Orlove, never heard of that guy, said, "Alex
Roy's wisdom--
questionable."
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I would never say that.
Obviously, it's an impersonator.
ALEX ROY: [INAUDIBLE], "Yes, it's true Jefferson owned
slaves, which is why it's offensive that you suggested
he was the first racer at Le Mans.
Because as you know, the French- and I lived in France
for a time--
will tell you that they never lost a war and no great
American who loved France ever owned a slave.
So--
MIKE SPINELLI: Except for Thomas Jefferson.
ALEX ROY: Can Leo please return and take my seat?
MIKE SPINELLI: No, no.
But do you k now that there is a racing connection?
Thomas Edison--
Thomas Edison.
Thomas Jefferson lived in Monticello.
ALEX ROY: What a coincidence.
MIKE SPINELLI: It's a different pronunciation of
Monticello--
ALEX ROY: Which is where they have the track today.
MIKE SPINELLI: Which is a racetrack in upstate New York.
ALEX ROY: For the first time ever, I can honestly say that
my knowledge of racing has diminished.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: [INAUDIBLE] actually listening
[INAUDIBLE].
ALEX ROY: I'm going to go over there and let JF
take the seat over.
Because I've been asked by the fans to go to the fire escape.
JF MUSIAL: Really?
ALEX ROY: Yes.
MIKE SPINELLI: Alex Roy.
[SIDE CONVERSATION]
JF MUSIAL: Hey, Jordan Vega, join us.
MALE SPEAKER: [INAUDIBLE] watch the race, Vega?
JORDAN VEGA: Parts of it.
Then NASCAR came on, I had to tune.
And then caught the updates from you, saw the crashes
online with the highlights.
And now [INAUDIBLE]
over at Dunkin Donuts before coming over here.
MIKE SPINELLI: By the way, that deserves some applause.
Donuts being, as I mentioned, the official meal of the
Man-*** kingdom.
JORDAN VEGA: It's an annual occurrence.
This is much better than your apartment setup [INAUDIBLE]
last year.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yes.
Well--
JORDAN VEGA: I feel like I'm at my apartment right now.
MIKE SPINELLI: This is sort of apartment-like.
But--
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: It's pretty wonderful.
JORDAN VEGA: Is this real pleather?
MIKE SPINELLI: It was pleather until Raphael peed on it.
And now I don't know what it is.
MALE SPEAKER: You're sitting real close over there.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Should I not sit this close?
MIKE SPINELLI: Look at the monitor.
[LAUGHTER]
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I've [INAUDIBLE] never met this man
before in my life.
JORDAN VEGA: Jordan Vega.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Raphael Orlove, it's a pleasure.
JORDAN VEGA: How you doing?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I do very well.
[SIDE CONVERSATION]
MIKE SPINELLI: All right.
Here's a question.
How quick are the pit stops in Le Mans, generally?
JF MUSIAL: So many comments.
It depends on if it's a driver change with fuel--
MIKE SPINELLI: Just driver change.
JF MUSIAL: With fuel or without fuel?
Because you cannot--
MIKE SPINELLI: Driver change, no fuel.
What?
JF MUSIAL: You can't do a driver change
while fueling the car.
You have to do--
MIKE SPINELLI: OK.
Driver change, no fuel.
How many seconds?
JF MUSIAL: Depends on how good they are.
MIKE SPINELLI: Good to average?
Come on.
JF MUSIAL: Eight seconds.
MIKE SPINELLI: Eight seconds?
Driver change?
I doubt that highly.
JF MUSIAL: What?
MIKE SPINELLI: 10 seconds.
JF MUSIAL: OK.
MIKE SPINELLI: Those two seconds, that's when you plug
the transponder back in, the last two seconds.
JF MUSIAL: OK.
So maybe 15 seconds.
MIKE SPINELLI: All right.
So how about with fuel?
No tires.
JF MUSIAL: 40 seconds.
MIKE SPINELLI: 40 seconds.
MIKE SPINELLI: Fuel and tires?
JF MUSIAL: Probably a good 60 seconds.
The Delta will probably be a 90-second window.
MIKE SPINELLI: Right.
Because they've got the--
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
MIKE SPINELLI: Fuel, tires, and half shaft.
Go.
JF MUSIAL: Hold on--
MIKE SPINELLI: No, I'm kidding.
JF MUSIAL: Fuel, tire, and half shaft?
MIKE SPINELLI: I don't know.
I don't know what I'm saying.
Raph, can you look that up please?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Length of pit stops?
MIKE SPINELLI: Yep.
Beer pong is the next topic of discussion.
ALEX ROY: Now when return we're gonna be discussing car
livery versus camouflage--
theories on future strategies for victory.
JORDAN VEGA: Still?
This is two years in the making.
This should have been a ShakeDown topic last week.
MIKE SPINELLI: By the way, Buccaneer is correct.
25 seconds for a driver change.
10 seconds would be like two jackrabbits having very, very,
very, very quick sex.
ALEX ROY: [INAUDIBLE] would be like changing the helmet
livery to pretend.
JF MUSIAL: OK.
MIKE SPINELLI: 25 seconds.
JF MUSIAL: The recapping of what everyone's position is.
As I scratch my poison ivy on my ankle.
MIKE SPINELLI: Did you say poison ivy?
JF MUSIAL: Hey, want some?
Poison oak, actually.
MIKE SPINELLI: You just had sumac or
something, didn't you?
JF MUSIAL: That was three years ago, I
ended up in the hospital.
MIKE SPINELLI: Didn't you just have it recently.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Routine pit stop, no scheduled maintenance
generally lasts 30 to 40 seconds.
That's without a driver change.
MIKE SPINELLI: 30 to 40 seconds, routine maintenance?
What is that?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: No.
OK.
So if nothing is going, no routine maintenance, no driver
change, 30 to 40 seconds.
Add another 10 seconds for a driver change.
JF MUSIAL: 73 Corvette leaving the pits just
had a left disc change.
Front rotor replaced out.
Is that your guy?
MIKE SPINELLI: Lucas Ordonez, yeah.
[SIDE CONVERSATION]
JF MUSIAL: We're going to do an update here on who's where.
Let's start off with--
with one do you want to do?
GT or LMP?
MIKE SPINELLI: Let's do GT.
Because LMP is sort of--
JF MUSIAL: I'll start off with LMP.
You go to GT, all right?
LMP, the Audi R18 e-tron quattro, the
number one is in P1.
With the number two in P2 with Allan McNish behind the wheel.
And the Audi Sport North America R18 ultra number four
is running third.
The other ultra with Romain Dumas is 10 laps back.
So that's where we stand right now in LMP.
MIKE SPINELLI: All right.
Well right now Corvette is kind of rebounding from two
very long pit stops.
They had a disc change on one of the cars.
The other one had a steering rack change.
Apparently the 73 car--
JF MUSIAL: The 51, the AF Corse Ferrari 458 Italia is 22
laps behind the P1 leaders but is running P1 in GT Pro.
While the 458 Italia of Luxury Racing, number 59, is P2.
With the Aston Martin Vantage with Turner behind the wheel
is P3, one lap back.
Looks like the 74 Corvette C6.R of Milner and Westbrook
is in the garage right now.
Let's see what's going on here.
Speed has just turned their coverage back
on for us in America.
If you care anything about that.
MIKE SPINELLI: [INAUDIBLE] could
figure out the Corvettes.
But definitely Ferraris are still leading, Aston Martin in
P3 as you mentioned.
JF MUSIAL: So exiting pit lane right now is one of the
Ferraris, I think it's the 61.
Yeah.
61.
It's the Waltrip Racing.
I'm just making this up.
MIKE SPINELLI: Flying Lizard's out, right?
Because they haven't updated the live timing.
JF MUSIAL: The number 80.
MIKE SPINELLI: The 80 car is out?
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
80 car is out.
The Pro car is out, while the Am car is not.
So looking back, I'm trying to figure out why the 74 is
currently in the pits.
MIKE SPINELLI: I gotta tell you, that 458 looks--
JF MUSIAL: I believe the 74 needs a steering rack.
And the 73--
ALEX ROY: The 458 looks awesome.
MIKE SPINELLI: The 458 is a great-looking car.
And I'm glad they last year went to 458
instead of the 430.
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
Totally.
Audi crew chillin out over there.
74, why is 74 in there?
Gotta figure this one out.
MIKE SPINELLI: I believe it's the steering rack, is the one
that's taking the longest.
I believe.
And the 73 was the discs.
But I'm trying to get confirmation on that.
Somebody had said it.
JF MUSIAL: Well, right now in the paddock, in the garage on
the 74, everyone's just standing around
looking at the car.
No action being done, at this point.
So it looks like they're trying to figure out
what's going on.
Rear end is coming off.
Doesn't look like the front-end
steering rack at all.
MIKE SPINELLI: Well, The 74 came back out.
Let's see here.
JF MUSIAL: So what are they doing?
ALEX ROY: It went out and now is right back in?
Or it never--
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
I think it went out, came right back in.
Anybody have any information on what's going on with the
74, please advise.
We would like to know.
MIKE SPINELLI: It's really annoying when Speed jumps off
of its coverage.
JF MUSIAL: So at this point, Le Mans, it's dark.
Not much going on other than the Corvette in the back.
We don't really have much to say.
The DeltaWing is out.
The Flying Lizard 80 Pro car with Patrick Long and Jorg
Bergmeister is out.
But there's still a race to be had between the Audis.
The Toyotas are out of the race, both the
seven and eight car.
It was really [INAUDIBLE] for the Toyotas, a lot to go.
But the real news right now, the real news is Leo Parente.
ALEX ROY: I'm sitting back here watching Leo drive.
JF MUSIAL: Wait, wait, wait.
You gotta be [INAUDIBLE].
Don't say his name so he doesn't turn around.
ALEX ROY: He's not listening.
JF MUSIAL: So let's actually--
ALEX ROY: Shh.
Leo is currently driving the Porsche RS Spyder in Forza 4
on Sebring.
He's really smooth.
JF MUSIAL: Leo's on the RS Spyder, where is it?
Sebring?
ALEX ROY: Here's really fast.
JF MUSIAL: He's coming up to turn 17.
Let's see how well he does.
On the bumps.
And he's in the wall.
Leo Parente puts himself into wall at Sebring.
Oh, let's not say his name so that does not realize that--
ALEX ROY: Leo, you know you can't restart in real life?
LEO PARENTE: [INAUDIBLE].
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Man, which Corvette are we watching now?
JF MUSIAL: This is the 73.
MIKE SPINELLI: 73's out, 74 is still in the garage.
I
JF MUSIAL: Hey, Jordan.
How are you?
JORDAN VEGA: I'm excellent, JF.
How are you?
JF MUSIAL: I'm good.
JORDAN VEGA: How are your worldly travels going?
JF MUSIAL: Eh.
Too much.
Too much traveling.
JORDAN VEGA: The only guy I know who works 26 hours a day.
JF MUSIAL: Eh.
I leverage [INAUDIBLE] for those two.
Thank you for bringing the coffee and everything.
JORDAN VEGA: Anytime I feel like this my second-- no, my
third family.
JF MUSIAL: If you want to know what this is, this is Audi.tv.
They've got in-car footage, in-car feeds with telemetry
that you can follow along.
It's actually pretty intense to be watching this throughout
12 hours so far to see how fast these guys are going.
How far these guys are going.
Looks like the 74 car is getting it's
back end worked on.
I just saw two oil cans being put into the car.
The 73 sister car is still out there.
[SIDE CONVERSATION]
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: [INAUDIBLE] there's a Corvette stream up,
too, isn't there?
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah.
It's one of the Speed--
you know what?
Can you pass my laptop up here, too?
Because that's where all my goodies are.
JF MUSIAL: So the 73 is right in front of the 74.
But they're both seventh and eighth place-- sixth and seven
place at this point.
Nope, sorry.
Seventh and eighth place.
I was right the first time.
With the AF Corse 458 Italia number 51 up front.
That's the Fisichella car.
One lap up on the Luxury Racing 458
Italia at this point.
MIKE SPINELLI: By the way, the Corvette stream is off because
Speed is on.
That's what they do.
Right.
So when Speed goes to something else, Corvette's
supposed to come on.
MALE SPEAKER: That's very patriotic of them.
MIKE SPINELLI: It is.
It is.
So now both of the cars, number 74 and 73--
well, 74 is now technical difficulties.
So there's nothing coming through the feed.
JF MUSIAL: "JF, should more races begin with the
traditional Le Mans start?"
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Can I answer that one?
JF MUSIAL: Sure.
Go ahead.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Le Mans starts are the worst ideas ever.
And they should be done.
It's the worst idea.
JF MUSIAL: It's dangerous.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: It's horrifically dangerous.
You've got racers who are doing everything they can to
win the race and you give them--
JF MUSIAL: Throwing wrenches at each other.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: And you have an opportunity where they
would potentially get good position by not putting on
their seat belts.
And they will happily not do that.
The idea is that they run out to the other car, jump in, and
drive out as fast as possible.
And the problem with this is that they save time by not
putting on their seat belts.
And they don't.
And then they crash.
And then they die.
And it's a terrible idea.
Don't ever do it.
It sounds awesome, it's terrible.
JF MUSIAL: Wide words, from Orlove.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: In other news, just a bone to pick.
Formula One of the 1970s, gnarly stuff.
Not super amazing.
People crashing and dying.
Also--
MIKE SPINELLI: By the way, to your point, John Woolfe
crashed a privateer Porsche 917 in 1969.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: That's the one everyone remembers.
MIKE SPINELLI: Is the one that everyone remembers.
And apparently when he jumped in, he didn't
strap in well enough.
And when he went off, he went off and the
first or second lap?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: No.
It was like the first lap.
MIKE SPINELLI: Or the first lap.
OK, there you go.
The first lap.
OK, first or second lap equals first lap of the first or
second lap.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I'm pretty sure it was the first lap.
MIKE SPINELLI: I think it was the first lap, too.
But crashed in a way that shouldn't have killed him.
But he didn't have his straps on.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Yes.
MIKE SPINELLI: So that's it.
That's why they don't do it.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: No.
It's pretty terrible.
I don't know what's so great about people
running at their cars.
I mean, it's sort of cool.
MIKE SPINELLI: Then again, that's kind of cool.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Why don't they park their cars at the last
lap and have a foot race to the end?
Same thing.
MIKE SPINELLI: Actually, that's genius.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Why not?
JF MUSIAL: Or maybe you have to push your car?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Sure.
JF MUSIAL: Or do a tire change.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Yeah.
MIKE SPINELLI: You have to stop in the
middle of the race.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: These are all significantly better ideas
than Le Mans stop.
MIKE SPINELLI: Everyone has to stop where they are at 2:00 AM
and run a mile.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: OK.
No, no, no.
It's they all pull up and then they go swimming and they get
on their bicycles.
MIKE SPINELLI: And then bicycles for 10 miles.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: And then the 10 miles and then they get
back to their car.
MIKE SPINELLI: It's the 24 Hours
of Le Mans and Triathlon.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Exactly.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yes.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: No, no.
It's the premier endurance racing event of the year.
It should mix it up a bit.
MIKE SPINELLI: Right.
Why should it all be about the cars?
Make the drivers do some enduring.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: They should do some javelin
throwing, as well.
I feel like that would add to some of the--
MIKE SPINELLI: That's a very heavy, American
Motors muscle car.
I don't know how they would be able to throw it.
JF MUSIAL: Both Corvettes are back on track.
MIKE SPINELLI: Both Corvettes are back on track says Mr.
Lollollol XD.
[SIDE CONVERSATION]
MIKE SPINELLI: Strap on, save lives, says RoyWhite05.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I wish this isn't gonna be an Audi sweep.
MIKE SPINELLI: I know.
Me too.
I think that's why we're getting kind of punchy.
Because what are we going to talk about?
All right, so it's Corvette and Ferrari.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I wanted Toyota to be there.
MIKE SPINELLI: Its Corvette and Ferrari, Aston Martin eh,
kind of hail Mary.
And then it's Audi.
And then, OK, we can see how well Rebellion does.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: It's like it used to be back before Peugeot
was in here, Pescarolo was running.
MIKE SPINELLI: The Peugeot is-- you're actually
pronouncing like the Brits, so they're going to be very happy
that you're pronouncing it that way.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: What do we call them then?
"Pee-oh-gee-oh"s?
MIKE SPINELLI: Poo-geot.
Poo-geot because we're from friggin New York.
That's right.
Poo-geot.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: OK, whatever.
MIKE SPINELLI: But you can say Peugeot.
It's fine.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I will.
MIKE SPINELLI: Per-geot.
Pu-geot.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Per-gee-aht.
MIKE SPINELLI: Whatever.
Say Pergeeaht.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: So before Peugeot was in it and everyone
started watching, there was Pescarolo.
And they were running in these really cool PlayStation
green-white-blue cars.
And Pescarolo's an old head.
He raced a bunch of stuff in the 1970s,
got a bunch of wins.
He had a team and basically everyone who watched Le Mans
was just like, oh, well, you know, the Audis will win but
maybe Pescarolo will come close and that will be
interesting.
And they never won.
Pescarolo's team never beat the Audis.
And that's sort of what we're watching right now.
I'm still rooting for all the Audis to crash into each other
and go out.
[INAUDIBLE]--
JF MUSIAL: Oh, come on.
You know that's not gonna happen.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Stranger things have happened.
But no, it's not gonna happen.
JF MUSIAL: We're doing it all wrong.
We gotta find a battle and rename one position
in a class as P1.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: OK.
JF MUSIAL: So let's ignore the top part.
MIKE SPINELLI: Let's see who's got the closest gap.
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
What's a very close gap.
MIKE SPINELLI: We've got Honda HPD.
JF MUSIAL: Let's go to GT.
Let's go to GT.
35 seconds between the number 77 Porsche 997 and the 458 AF
Corse number 71 right now.
MIKE SPINELLI: [SNORT].
Yeah, good luck making that one interesting.
All right.
Let's--
All right.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
We got it.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Why don't we do LMP2?
MIKE SPINELLI: You know what, let's do the Am.
The Am rally.
Let's see who's close.
Nobody is anywhere near each other.
Oh, wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
JF MUSIAL: No, no, no.
I must take a screenshot of this one.
The number 58 of Luxury Racing is 5,035,134 laps down,
according to live timing and scoring.
MIKE SPINELLI: Where is this?
Oh.
You got to take a screenshot of that.
Nice, 5 million laps down.
JF MUSIAL: 5 million laps down.
MIKE SPINELLI: They obviously did not bribe the judges.
MIKE SPINELLI: No.
That's someone who's running the wrong way down pit lane,
back and forth over the sensor.
With the sensor in his hands.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: [INAUDIBLE] that's 129 laps down.
MIKE SPINELLI: Somebody from [INAUDIBLE] hacked that.
JF MUSIAL: And it still does not show him in last place.
That's the best part of that.
MIKE SPINELLI: Maybe he did bribe the judges.
All right.
So wait a minute here.
So here we go.
So we got the Aston Martin GT Pro with Turner.
Let's see, the gap between him and Henzler in the Felbermayr
Porsche is let's see, 1:36.
No, that's even too far.
There's no gaps short enough to make a good race right now.
JF MUSIAL: DeltaWing's out.
MIKE SPINELLI: DeltaWing's out.
JF MUSIAL: Toyotas are out.
The number 24 Morgan is out.
We do have some action on--
MIKE SPINELLI: Is Farah gonna Skype in at some point?
JF MUSIAL: Probably not.
MIKE SPINELLI: He decided not to?
So that's the deal with Farah, yeah.
This shirt people are asking about.
Eventually they're going to go on sale.
We're just dealing with--
JF MUSIAL: Sitting in our studio right now are 500
shirts about be shipped out to Amazon.
You're going to be able to buy them on
Amazon.com within two weeks.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah.
And they won't be that expensive.
They'll be like $12.99 or something.
JF MUSIAL: We're not gonna make money off of them.
MIKE SPINELLI: In American dollars, which as we all know
are worth just a little bit more than--
MALE SPEAKER: 1.26.
MIKE SPINELLI: Exactly.
MALE SPEAKER: 1.26 Euro.
MIKE SPINELLI: 1.26 Euro, exactly.
MALE SPEAKER: The shirts are priced such that we can give
away half of them and not lose any money.
And sell the other half, not lose any money.
So we're breaking even on the shirts.
But it will be fun.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yes.
All right, good.
It's interesting.
I didn't realize the Euro was that far down against
the buck right now.
And it could actually go lower?
But $1.26.
The last time I was in Europe, it was like $1.60
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: You think the the Euro
is down on the dollar?
MIKE SPINELLI: Isn't it?
You said what? $1.26.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: That is so far behind the news.
JF MUSIAL: Josh, check your email.
We're getting an image in from the track from George.
It's a funny one.
MIKE SPINELLI: Sorry.
Yes.
Aston Martin is third not fourth.
MALE SPEAKER: FTP?
JF MUSIAL: No, email.
MIKE SPINELLI: Misspoke on the Aston Martin
position right now.
ALEX ROY: Any shirt size bigger than the Simon Cowell
size you're wearing, Mike?
MIKE SPINELLI: Simon Cowell size?
Is that a man-*** joke?
I'm the one who makes the man-*** jokes around here.
Simon Cowell size.
I like it, though.
That's good.
That's a good one.
Simon Cowell size.
You know what?
It just needs to be a V. I just need a V.
JF MUSIAL: Shipping to Canada?
Sure, why not?
MIKE SPINELLI: Shipping to Canada?
Yeah, what the hell?
JF MUSIAL: You're paying for it.
ALEX ROY: Someone said [INAUDIBLE]
know who's leading.
Who do you think is leading?
MIKE SPINELLI: Uh--
Audi?
JF MUSIAL: No, no.
It's the 2014 prototype for Porsche.
ALEX ROY: Yeah.
The Porsche LMP car is actually leading.
JF MUSIAL: They just decided to come out and win the race.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: It's actually a 2034 time travel car.
MIKE SPINELLI: Unfortunately, this is an answer to it's
either Agin at 5 or [FRENCH ACCENT]
Aginat5 in French, we can not pre-order the shirts.
Because we don't have any way to--
MALE SPEAKER: We'll let everyone know.
MIKE SPINELLI: We'll take money.
But--
JF MUSIAL: We're not going to give you anything.
MIKE SPINELLI: We may end up forgetting to send it and then
we'll get arrested and then Josh will take the rap.
Because I'll be out of town.
JF MUSIAL: If you want to be watching this stream, Audi.tv.
If you want to be watching the ACO feed, it is
live.lemans-tv.com.
Also, live timing on there as well.
MIKE SPINELLI: Apparently, the man-*** inserts for the
shirts are not as popular with our
commenters as I was hoping.
MALE SPEAKER: Really?
There was a few guys who said they were willing
to pay up to $50.
And one guy--
MIKE SPINELLI: No.
I think that was for Alex's shirt.
Yeah.
Not the man-*** shirt.
MALE SPEAKER: On guy asked us if he could have a discount
for a regular shirt.
He was going to take the man-*** shirt without the
inserts and then give it to his girlfriend and then have
real *** in the shirt.
Which, I told him I was willing to work something out,
I gave him my email address.
MIKE SPINELLI: I think that makes perfect sense.
You know, I'm actually more thick.
I'm just kidding.
Just a joke.
And the double entendre was the joke.
But don't worry about it, it's fine.
MALE SPEAKER: Orlove on couch, what have you learned in your
Windows Mac--
Windows Laptop.
MALE SPEAKER: [INAUDIBLE] call it Windows Macbook.
MALE SPEAKER: Windows Mactop.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: My Windows Macbook?
I'm finding wonderful comments.
"Still I'm having trouble keeping track of all of these
cars which are doing something interesting in France
apparently."
MALE SPEAKER: That's [INAUDIBLE].
MALE SPEAKER: Keep going.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Yeah.
Any historical period of Le Mans you'd like to talk about?
How awesome Alfa Romeo was in the 1930s?
Hiyo.
MIKE SPINELLI: Wait.
Too much excitement.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: What about that Bugatti touring car that
ran whenever that was, '39?
Oh, man.
That thing was awesome.
MIKE SPINELLI: What did that go for at Goodwill?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: That was awesome.
JF MUSIAL: I think we're about to show a photo from the press
room at Le Mans.
Josh, do we have that ready?
MIKE SPINELLI: Is anybody in there?
Can we show that?
Can we show something?
Wait a minute.
Can I play Forza?
JF MUSIAL: Go play Forza.
MIKE SPINELLI: I'm going to go play Forza.
Listen, I just need a little break and I'm
gonna go play Forza.
JF MUSIAL: [INAUDIBLE]
Lola Pescarolo, right?
MIKE SPINELLI: Lola Pescarolo.
I dated her.
JF MUSIAL: Is that the Judd?
LEO PARENTE: [INAUDIBLE]
JF MUSIAL: Oh.
Rebellion.
Toyota.
Sorry.
[SIDE CONVERSATION]
[MUSIC PLAYING]
JF MUSIAL: Sorry about that guys.
OK.
We're going to now show what they action is like at the
press room at Le Mans.
Oh, man.
I love technology.
MALE SPEAKER: There it is.
JF MUSIAL: So that is our true reporter in crime.
What does that mean?
What am I saying?
MALE SPEAKER: Is he under like a pile of stuff?
JF MUSIAL: I don't know.
That's [INAUDIBLE] sleeping in the press room at the south
circuit at Le Mans.
MALE SPEAKER: You getting a little tired JF?
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
It's an interesting sleeping position.
MALE SPEAKER: It really is.
JF MUSIAL: I'm surprised he can actually sleep like that.
Thank you, George, for taking that.
George took that shot.
So we've dwindled down.
Just me now, which is probably the worst thing possible.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: What are you talking about?
I'm here.
JF MUSIAL: Well, you want to take [INAUDIBLE]--
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: [INAUDIBLE].
JF MUSIAL: Come take the seat, Orlove.
But don't spill that coffee.
We have a huge problem in this office with
people spilling coffee.
[SIDE CONVERSATION]
JF MUSIAL: Orlove, how are you?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I'm doing great.
JF MUSIAL: You know how to put one of those on?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I've never done this before.
[SIDE CONVERSATION]
JF MUSIAL: Welcome to the show.
How are you?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I do quite well.
JF MUSIAL: I can't believe you shouted [INAUDIBLE]
at Sebastian Vettel at a press conference.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I can believe I did that.
JF MUSIAL: That's horrible.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: That was a terrible idea.
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: No.
It was a great idea.
JF MUSIAL: Were you embarrassed when Vettel said
your German was the worst possible he could imagine?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I was not embarrassed in the least bit.
JF MUSIAL: In front of the world's press?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: No.
Why would I be embarrassed?
German's not my first language.
[SIDE CONVERSATION]
JF MUSIAL: OK.
We're going to do now an update on what's going in the
track action.
LMP2.
The number 24 Morgan is out of the running.
The number 44 LMP2 is at the top.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: So Morgan's are still up?
JF MUSIAL: No.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: What's up?
What's up in LMP2?
JF MUSIAL: The number 35 Morgan is eighth place.
They were leading the pack with the 24.
The number 44 is the Starworks Motorsport Honda HPD.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: So Honda's up?
JF MUSIAL: Honda's up top in LMP2.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Well that's kind of cool, I guess.
JF MUSIAL: Then we've got Oreca, Oreca, Oreca, Oreca,
Oreca, Oreca, Honda.
Level five.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: And then some Zyteks and then Morgan is way
down there.
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
So that's your update on LMP2.
How many computers have died in this
studio because of coffee?
Not many.
But--
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I wish I had my laptop here.
Because I would love to look up what the the
history of Oreca is.
Because I vaguely know that they ran
Vipers back in the day.
And apparently they ran the 91 Mazda car.
JF MUSIAL: I don't know.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: But I don't know who they are.
Commenters chime in.
They're French, aren't they?
JF MUSIAL: Oh, Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
They actually won Sebring.
They came close to winning Le Mans like last year or the
year before?
Right, Alex?
ALEX ROY: I'll look it up.
JF MUSIAL: OK.
Thank you, Alex.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: What do you mean they came close to
winning Le Mans?
[INAUDIBLE]?
JF MUSIAL: Yeah, like two years ago, right?
Or, no, it was Sebring.
They won Sebring.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: They won Sebring.
JF MUSIAL: They won Sebring two years ago in the old
Peugeot before they updated it.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Oh, that's right.
They ran that awesome Peugeot with the weird PlayStation--
wasn't there PlayStation livery?
JF MUSIAL: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
With the orange font.
It was the full orange font.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: That was a great moment when the old
Peugeot beat the new Peugeots.
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
That was very cool.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Yeah.
I think everyone was happy when that happened.
Except for, obviously, the people who
were running the Peugeots.
JF MUSIAL: We've had a lot of interesting ALMS action
throughout the years, especially Porsche, Corvette.
I want to hear what some of favorite action
bits are of the fans.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: What are you talking about?
There's always the ending ending of the race between the
Porsches and the Ferraris or the Ferraris and the
[INAUDIBLE].
JF MUSIAL: That's what I'm saying.
I want to know what their particular--
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: As someone who actually has to write about
it, it's actually quite cliche.
You're just like, oh, no, it's another end of the race and it
was amazing.
JF MUSIAL: Checking in on the GT Pro at this point, we've
got the AF Corse 458 Italia, the number 51, at the top of
the GT Pro field, with the 458 Italia of the 59 Luxury Racing
one lap behind.
Comparable lap times, 1.2 seconds off.
Oh, that's a Mazda?
What's?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: No, that's a Dome.
JF MUSIAL: Dome just went off.
Whoa.
That's a nice pop.
He covered it over, though.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Can we talk about Dome?
Because is this their first run at Le Mans with this car
that got shelved during the financial crisis?
JF MUSIAL: I guess so.
I'm not going to be helpful with this.
I don't follow Dome.
Sorry.
Yeah?
ALEX ROY: Would you like the background on Oreca?
JF MUSIAL: Sure.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Are you kidding?
Of course I would.
ALEX ROY: All right.
It's a French racing team.
And was one of teams that brought to some notoriety
Alain Prost, Laffite, and Jean Alesi.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: No way?
When did Prost race for them?
ALEX ROY: Back in Formula Three.
The owner, a Hugues Chaunac, interestingly was also the
progenitor of the Formula One team AGS, if you remember them
from the late '90s.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I don't.
ALEX ROY: OK.
Well, I do.
Because I went to AGS Formula One school, some years ago.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: No, you did not?
ALEX ROY: I did.
And was instantly kicked out of the car by judge and
instructor Eddie Irvine, who said I was a coward and should
wear a dress and get out.
And even though the car at that point was about five
years old, I've never experienced such raw terror.
JF MUSIAL: We got an update on the 74.
Who's just said it?
Oliver Gavin just tweeted that after an incident they have a
high-speed oscillation.
So they changed the entire drive train.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Gavin is, of course, a driver of the car.
JF MUSIAL: 74.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: So who's still in it?
The 73 is still racing?
Fill me in.
JF MUSIAL: Sorry, what was that?
They're both still racing.
It was just a drive-train change that they--
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: But they're both out of the pits?
JF MUSIAL: The 73 is still out there, I do believe.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: But they are hopelessly far behind?
JF MUSIAL: No hopelessly.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: OK.
JF MUSIAL: Looking at the board right now, not hopeless.
Really sad for the Corvettes.
They were up front and they both ran into problems.
Aston Martin led the race at the beginning in GT
Pro and is now third.
They dropped back to sixth at one point.
And now they are two laps off the lead of the 51 AF Corse.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: You know, I really should be happy that
Ferrari is up there.
Because Corvette and Aston have been up in leading the GT
cars in Le Mans for so long that you would think you'd
want a change in sort of how things are going.
But I don't like them.
I don't like the Ferraris.
I don't know why.
JF MUSIAL: I think they look good.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Well, obviously, they--
JF MUSIAL: I think they look great.
Well, I don't know.
Either way, Josh, we got to take a break.
Top of the hour coming up shortly.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to cut you off.
I think you're doing a great job.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I'm not.
But that's fine.
[MUSIC PLAYING]
JF MUSIAL: I think we are actually on the air right now.
We are 11 hours left in the race?
Yes.
It is 10:00 PM here and approaching 4:00 AM at the
track at Le Mans.
This is the Drive 25 Hours of the 24 Hours of Le Mans.
I'm joined by Alex Roy of Live and Let Drive.
ALEX ROY: And I'm joined by JF Musial of the Drive network.
And I would like to address-
JF MUSIAL: Hold on.
We got to do a recap of everything that's happened.
ALEX ROY: Recap.
JF MUSIAL: OK.
At the top of the hour, well, we we were discussing the
Corvette 73 and 74.
74 was having some trouble with some high-speed
oscillation.
So they had to change their drive train out.
73 is still out there.
The Ferraris lead GT at this point.
The Audis lead P1.
So how did we get here?
Well, the Toyotas were strong out of the box.
Until about five hours in, when the number eight Toyota
collided with a Ferrari on the Mulsanne straight.
Huge accident, caused about an hour of safety car period.
Both drivers were got out of the cars
under their own power.
Davidson seems to have fractured
vertebrae in his back.
He's in the hospital as we speak.
He seems to be OK.
He's tweeting, so I guess that's OK.
After that, we had a run in with the DeltaWing.
The remaining Toyota, the number seven, knocked the
DeltaWing off track.
The DeltaWing, of course, is the Box 56 experimental class.
They were knocked out.
They tried for an hour to get the
prototype back out on track.
I guess you call the DeltaWing a prototype, right, Leo?
Yeah.
OK.
Either way.
Then after that, we had an onslaught
of issues and problems.
Romain Dumas in the number four Audi R18 ultra almost hit
the back end of the number 79 Flying Lizard RSR in the first
chicane on the Mulsanne straight--
[SIDE CONVERSATION]
JF MUSIAL: Almost hit the back end of the number 79 Flying
Lizard Am GT car.
Romain Dumas then proceeded to karate kick the R18 into
submission until he was able to get it back on track and
bring it all the way back to pit row, where--
ALEX ROY: It was more of a suplex on the Audi, but go on.
JF MUSIAL: Whatever it may be.
From there, we went into the dusk hours.
The number 24 Morgan actually crashed out.
Morgans were leading LMP2 for quite some time.
We spoke to Charles Morgan earlier.
He had some great things to say.
But I think only one of them is left in LMP2.
And Audi now leads LMP1 with two e-trons up top and one
ultra in third.
And the number 80 Flying Lizard is
also out of the race.
That's my recap.
Down to you.
ALEX ROY: That was really impressive.
JF MUSIAL: All from memory.
ALEX ROY: I'm going to ask a question of a cohost who
almost certainly can answer it intelligently.
After which, Orlove can speak.
Which is, you said that you didn't like Ferrari.
Now, I've been accused of being a Ferrari hater.
Been accused of being a Mercedes hater.
And someone asked a question of both of you.
Is the reason that you just have this instinctively less
than loving feeling for Ferraris
presence here because--
Ferrari being a racing manufacture that only builds
road cars to finance racing, or at least
the mythology goes--
should not Ferrari be competing at the
top level at Le Mans?
And if not, why should we care?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I'm sort of with you because you get the
feeling from Ferrari that their heart's not in it.
And that's what turns me off about them.
ALEX ROY: Well, clearly not, because
there's no factory effort.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Yeah.
ALEX ROY: JF?
JF MUSIAL: I think the stigma with Ferrari is that it's
gentleman drivers.
And of course last year with the Mike Rockenfeller accident
[INAUDIBLE]
Waltrip Racing, the gentleman driver was actually asked to
not get back in the car.
Because it was such a potentially deadly accident.
Ferrari as a whole is a great racing
company with a huge legacy.
And of course they deserve every bit of it.
But at the same time, it's a car brand,
like all these others.
And you have good and bad drivers in each one of these
brands and each one of these cars on the road.
So I don't think the brand itself should suffer because
of a few bad drivers.
ALEX ROY: Well, I'm going to say something I can't believe
I'm gonna say about missing the days of Schumacher in
Formula One.
Because Ferrari left Le Mans in the early '70s.
And if you look at their history, after Ford tried to
buy Ferrari, Ferrari said no.
Ford said fine, we're going to show you what it's all about,
came in, told them what Ford means in Italian.
And then after that, Ferrari had some mixed years and then
left in the early '70s.
And since then, the company, which is supposed to define a
race manufacturer for whom road cars are a sideshow, has
only under Schumacher in F1 stated their dominance there.
And only for a few years.
And the mythology of Ferrari is a very powerful one.
But it has not always been borne out, except during the
Schumacher years in the last 40.
JF MUSIAL: And that's our recent memory, this is what
most people think about these days.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I hate to--
Actually, I love to argue with you.
But you can't the Ferrari 333 SP, which they ran--
JF MUSIAL: 333 SP?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Yeah.
And they ran in the late '90s, competing for the win.
And never got higher than sixth.
Which is a lot like, to use another F1 comparison,
Mercedes today.
You know it's a full money effort, and
they're not doing it.
And it's just sad.
And you want them to go away.
ALEX ROY: But you know, the thing about
Mercedes is their brand--
I mean, yes they have a racing history.
But it's such an old racing history, like the days of
Mercedes dominance are so ancient that if Mercedes
dropped out of all high-end motor sports, I don't think it
would have any effect on their sale of road cars.
Because Mercedes road cars are not meant to be defined by
being race-winning cars.
And it's almost ironic that Mercedes packs their cars with
incredibly powerful engines.
And yet, in at least the road car space, have ceded the
handling mythology to BMW.
Whether it's true or not.
So Mercedes almost, I don't think, need even to make the
effort they make in F1.
And their absence here?
Well--
JF MUSIAL: Just want to say, we're coming up on 14 hours of
our live broadcast on the Drive 25 Hours of the 24 Hours
of Le Mans.
ALEX ROY: As evidenced by the level of discourse.
JF MUSIAL: [INAUDIBLE]
I believe we passed the point of the longest YouTube live
stream in history.
ALEX ROY: Is that true?
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
ALEX ROY: Interesting.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: [INAUDIBLE].
JF MUSIAL: I think so, yeah.
Could be making this all up, but there's no one to disprove
me at this point.
ALEX ROY: Actually, what we really interesting, and I'm
sorry that Leo's not here to discuss it, is that in terms
of what endurance racing does for a brand presence.
I'm gonna use Peugeot as an example.
Even in the years where Peugeot won, it was pretty
hard to find anybody--
even in Europe, that I know--
who said, oh my God, Peugeot's winning Le Mans, I
got to buy a Peugeot.
That's the irony here.
And that comes back to whether or not the technology of the
winning car translates into road cars.
And as we see from Audi and TDI, it really does is.
There's a direct relationship.
And Peugeot, I didn't feel that relationship.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Yeah.
But here's the weird thing.
I'm sure that people are buying Ferraris because they
have Ferraris running Le Mans right now.
ALEX ROY: I do not believe that at all.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I believe that.
ALEX ROY: I believe people buy Ferraris because the Ferrari
brand is based on a mythology of superiority.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Well--
JF MUSIAL: 52-hour live stream.
Well, All right.
I was wrong.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Let's say 348s doing
absolutely nothing for anyone.
No one cared.
And people were buying Lambos.
ALEX ROY: I think Ferrari has established their dominance
sufficiently that they only need to win big once every
five years to maintain it, which is pretty
much where they are.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Yeah.
ALEX ROY: If that.
JF MUSIAL: Let's ask the question, Le Mans or
Nurburgring 24?
ALEX ROY: I'll ask the question of you.
Because it's really one only you can answer.
I've never been there.
But you stated to me recently that many drivers that you
know personally--
I think you named even Patrick Long as one of them, but there
are others that we know--
have stated that they enjoy racing the 24 Hours of
Nurburgring more than Le Mans.
And that that's where there's better racing.
JF MUSIAL: It's not enjoy.
I think what Patrick had said was that it was the
Nurburgring made him feel mortal.
ALEX ROY: OK.
How long is the Le Mans course?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I got it.
JF MUSIAL: In kilometers it's eight
kilometers, I think, right?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: [INAUDIBLE].
ALEX ROY: And how many major turning decisions are made in
the Le Mans course.
This is actually a fun exercise.
The number of turn decisions--
JF MUSIAL: 8.5 miles, sorry.
8.5.
ALEX ROY: All right.
So 8.5.
Let's do the math now.
JF MUSIAL: Thank you, George.
ALEX ROY: This is an interesting exercise.
So how long is the Nurburgring course?
JF MUSIAL: 14.--
something.
I have that guy here.
Orlove?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Uno momento, senor.
ALEX ROY: How many turns in Nurburgring?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Debatable.
JF MUSIAL: Debatable.
They've got 144 so somewhere around there.
ALEX ROY: Let's call it--
JF MUSIAL: Stop asking facts.
This is making us look stupid.
ALEX ROY: Well, at least let's see if we can be approximate
because I believe at Le Mans, we know
there aren't 144 turns.
There's what?
10?
15?
JF MUSIAL: Sorry, where?
ALEX ROY: Le Mans.
JF MUSIAL: Le Mans?
ALEX ROY: Yeah.
JF MUSIAL: Well, let's go through them.
So we've got the Dunlop chicane, so one, two, three.
Mulsanne--
four, five, six with the chicane, seven Mulsanne.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: 38 turns on there.
JF MUSIAL: 9, 10, 11 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 with the four
chicanes I guess.
ALEX ROY: 17.
Well, she says 38.
Who said 38 turns?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Vicky listed it as 38.
ALEX ROY: OK.
JF MUSIAL: In Le Mans?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Yeah, the Circuit de la Sarthe.
JF MUSIAL: Really?
ALEX ROY: They're going to consider each chicane as one,
two, three, four.
[INAUDIBLE].
I'm talking about decisions.
I mean, turning decisions.
So a single chicane may have four decisions in it.
That doesn't include braking decisions or even throttle
decisions, just turning decisions.
So no matter how you slice it, the 24 Hours of Nurburgring is
going to have something like at least three times more
turning decisions.
I see Leo's looking over here at where I'm
trying to get with this.
LEO PARENTE: No, I'm just listening.
ALEX ROY: And so if you want to, there's many ways to
factor in, to calculate, the difficulty of a course to the
driver and the excitement factor for a fan.
And when people insult NASCAR, and I have long been someone
who didn't paying attention to NASCAR.
I had a very interesting interaction with Andy Lally,
who used to drive for TRG, and went from--
JF MUSIAL: Went to Magnus.
ALEX ROY: Went to Magnus.
And so he's experienced in Grand Am
racing and NASCAR racing.
And Lally said--
JF MUSIAL: By the way, the 74 is still in the pits.
ALEX ROY: So Andy Lally said something really
interesting to me.
And he was one of the few Grand Am drivers who didn't
think I was a clown when he heard about the
cross-country record.
And he was very, very curious and really respectful.
And I said to him, I said, Lally, would you ever do
something like what I did?
He's like, absolutely not.
I'm like, well, Lally, I think NASCAR is silly.
He's like, what could be more exciting for a driver than to
be in a crowded pack at 200 miles an hour where the
slightest mistake could kill multiple people?
And prior to that, it hadn't even occurred to me that
racing excitement could be judged for the driver or the
fans as anything but braking zones and turns.
And for him it was defined by the holistic situation, which
included the speed and danger factor, even in a passive--
the absence of a decision is as important as the
commitment to action.
So Nurburgring--
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: There are cars streaming down at
200 miles an hour.
Even though there isn't like a complex [INAUDIBLE].
JF MUSIAL: Mike, come on in.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: The corners are complex, but--
JF MUSIAL: What's up?
MIKE SPINELLI: I just wanted to--
ALEX ROY: Interrupt?
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah.
I'm just going to interrupt you, grab some stuff here.
ALEX ROY: So let's round out the math here.
Because it's an interesting exercise.
I've always wanted to know the answer.
What is total mileage?
In 24 Hours of Nurburgring how many miles are covered by the
winning car?
LEO PARENTE: 165 laps.
[INAUDIBLE].
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
165.
So 165 times the 14 miles?
With the Grand Prix circuit?
Is that correct?
LEO PARENTE: Yeah.
But 15.1.
JF MUSIAL: 15.1?
Let's get some facts on this.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: So 15.5 for each lap.
JF MUSIAL: With the Grand Prix circuit?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Yeah.
This is on the 24 Hours of Nurburgring.
JF MUSIAL: OK.
So 15.5 times 151 laps with [INAUDIBLE]?
LEO PARENTE: 165.
JF MUSIAL: 165 times--
let's get the mileage for the last year's victor.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: What is that?
That's something over 2,500 miles.
JF MUSIAL: 2,500 miles.
And then check Wiki for what was the longest distance run
at Le Mans, which I think was two years ago.
LEO PARENTE: It better be more, they go faster.
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
No, no.
It will be more.
ALEX ROY: All right.
And I'm gonna do one final calculation if I could find
the calculator app on my iPad.
JF MUSIAL: What are you looking for?
ALEX ROY: All right.
So you said 2,500?
Let's just do it like this.
If one lap is 144 decisions, 165 times 144.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Present record is 3,360 miles two years ago.
ALEX ROY: Multiply this for me.
165 times 144.
JF MUSIAL: 23,760.
ALEX ROY: OK.
Now, Le Mans.
What's the total highest number of
laps at Le Mans ever?
Or just give me an approximate number.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I can give you length, but I don't
know how many laps.
ALEX ROY: Just give me a total laps of last year's winner.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I'm sorry?
JF MUSIAL: Total laps of last--
ALEX ROY: [INAUDIBLE].
JF MUSIAL: Spin, you're out?
MIKE SPINELLI: Not yet.
I can hang around a little longer.
JF MUSIAL: Hey, it's Ian.
Sorry for screaming.
I just pissed off Josh by saying hey.
Sorry.
Ian has joined us from Fast Lane Daily.
ALEX ROY: I can't wait for Leo to come back and--
JF MUSIAL: You hear for the night shift?
ALEX ROY: Critique--
JF MUSIAL: As far as you can go?
ALEX ROY: I can wait for Leo to return and critique the
metrics by which I'm judging the relative difficulty of
these races.
Shoot.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: So last year, the the winning
number of laps was 355.
ALEX ROY: So multiply 355 by 38.
JF MUSIAL: 13,490.
ALEX ROY: OK.
So Nurburgring--
23,760 turning decisions, versus 13,490.
JF MUSIAL: I think Leo--
well, Leo's busy-- but I think the most
astonishing thing ever.
This is back at the Nurburgring 24 documentary we
did, was the number of gear shifts was
something like 130,000.
ALEX ROY: For Nurburgring?
JF MUSIAL: For Nurburgring.
ALEX ROY: Well--
JF MUSIAL: Because if then you're equating a gear shift
into the equation of a turning decision.
ALEX ROY: Right.
How many cars enter the Nurburgring 24?
JF MUSIAL: Over 300.
ALEX ROY: 300 cars?
Versus Le Mans's
JF MUSIAL: You've got something like 18, 19 classes.
ALEX ROY: So in terms of raw excitement--
JF MUSIAL: There are four cars per pit stall at Nurburgring.
ALEX ROY: [LAUGHS]
JF MUSIAL: And even a few cars in a spill-off area outside
the pit lane.
Because there wasn't enough room.
ALEX ROY: Interesting.
I'm gonna pay more attention to the
Nurburgring 24 next year.
JF MUSIAL: But why does this get more attention?
Why does Le Mans get more attention?
ALEX ROY: The historicity of it.
History.
JF MUSIAL: Historicity?
ALEX ROY: Historicity.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Historicity, history, and money, I'm sure.
ALEX ROY: Well, a race legacy is defined by the
participants.
A car is just a brick without a driver.
And the history is here.
JF MUSIAL: OK.
Great job, Speed, throwing the microphone into the face.
ALEX ROY: Why don't you just take a
cigarette and go with him?
Oh, it's [INAUDIBLE] who hit [INAUDIBLE]
last year.
And according to Sean Heckman of the Media Consiglieris, a
very important figure in the financing of many teams,
therefore forgiveness is granted for the double-clutch
performed on Audi last year.
[LAUGHTER]
JF MUSIAL: Oh, boy.
All right.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Historicity is a real word, someone's
claiming you used--
ALEX ROY: It is.
JF MUSIAL: [INAUDIBLE] sorry.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Historicity is a real word.
There are people who study it.
JF MUSIAL: I went to an engineering school.
What do I know?
156 laps last year at the Nurburgring ring [INAUDIBLE]
the 165.
ALEX ROY: For those who are asking when I'm going to get
onto the Forza game.
As the night grows long, and the knives are removed from
sheaths, and less people are awake and my competition will
be weaker, I shall grow more closely interested
in the idea of racing.
JF MUSIAL: Question for you.
Would you want to be there right now?
ALEX ROY: Absolutely.
Oh, my God.
What's happening?
JF MUSIAL: [INAUDIBLE] another accident into
the Mulsanne corner?
That's a rough one.
ALEX ROY: That's the exact same location that the Toyota
eight hit earlier.
That's exactly the same location.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: See?
This is really good because like 40 years ago no one would
have replaced that Armco.
They were like, oh, we'll--
ALEX ROY: They didn't have to because the
chicane wasn't there.
JF MUSIAL: So again.
Would you want to be there right now?
ALEX ROY: Absolutely.
My dream in life--
JF MUSIAL: Even though at races you're notorious--
and not just you--
it's notorious that you don't really see the race?
ALEX ROY: Oh.
You mean would I want to be there as a fan?
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
ALEX ROY: Absolutely.
JF MUSIAL: [INAUDIBLE].
ALEX ROY: Yeah.
Because it's--
JF MUSIAL: I had no idea what was going on at
the race last year.
ALEX ROY: Yeah.
You have no idea what's going on right now.
JF MUSIAL: Oh, I sure do.
Ask me anything.
ALEX ROY: Well, OK.
Yeah, you do.
But I mean, I'd want to be there with--
JF MUSIAL: It was so easy for you to back down.
MIKE SPINELLI: I would want to be there with a laptop, with
wi-fi, and the whole business.
Sure.
JF MUSIAL: Are we gonna stay on his [INAUDIBLE]?
ALEX ROY: Is there anything greater than standing within
two miles of a top-class prototype or
F1 car at full throttle.
And then hearing two of them and knowing, even without
seeing, which two cars have just passed.
Race cars are the highest form of the last piece of creation.
It's the final manifestation of so many arts that have been
developed for one purpose--
to move a person from A to B.
And it's the most democratizing
creation of all mankind.
Because not only can it be beautiful and
functional, but it moves.
You can bring it with you.
A house is as important, yet it's an isolating thing.
But a race car, it's the end of creation.
Until we build spaceships and whatnot.
And so who wouldn't want to hear that in person?
It's why people who'll never own a Ferrari wear the shirt.
JF MUSIAL: Very good point.
Very good point.
Well, how's our chat doing?
ALEX ROY: Are they commenting on my false intellectualism?
JF MUSIAL: So question.
MALE SPEAKER: Someone said, "Alex, you just blew my mind."
ALEX ROY: Is that true?
MALE SPEAKER: I think he meant blew his brains out.
ALEX ROY: In the words of Simon Cowell, unbelievable.
Did you like it?
JF MUSIAL: So question to the crowd, or
question to you Alex.
And Orlove.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: What's up?
JF MUSIAL: How do you improve the viewing experience of the
fans at a race?
ALEX ROY: Ah.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Super [INAUDIBLE].
ALEX ROY: Jumbotrons.
Jumbotrons.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: No, you--
JF MUSIAL: Actually, I think that's one of the biggest-
ALEX ROY: And I'll tell you another thing, Google Glasses?
One of the most important things Google Glasses will
bring to people has nothing to do with shopping.
JF MUSIAL: What's Google Glasses?
ALEX ROY: Google Glasses is the glasses which have the
wireless unit attached which will deliver augmented reality
and superimpose data.
JF MUSIAL: Is this real?
ALEX ROY: Yeah.
It exists now.
It's just not for sale.
People wear them.
[SIDE CONVERSATION]
ALEX ROY: Google Glasses will change the way we
live in many ways.
But I want to talk about it only in the
context of car racing.
But really sports in general.
Obviously, a lot of the interest behind Google Glasses
will be to get people to see ads as they
walk down the street--
JF MUSIAL: Hold on.
We have an Audi off.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Yeah.
Number one Audi off.
ALEX ROY: Is that what that is?
JF MUSIAL: Number one Audi just--
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Was that the Audi that went off?
JF MUSIAL: Was that the Audi?
ALEX ROY: The lights did not look like Audi lights.
JF MUSIAL: Hold on.
It's the number one.
Yeah, number one.
Heading for the pits right now.
Alex, that was great.
I wasn't trying to cut you off.
ALEX ROY: It's OK.
We'll come back to it.
JF MUSIAL: We'll come back it.
OK?
Let's try to figure out--
in the pits right now.
The number one is pulling into the pits.
ALEX ROY: It's in, actually?
JF MUSIAL: Yep.
It's there.
It's right here, Alex.
Let's see what they do.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: So this is of Lotterer,
Treluyer, and Fassler.
JF MUSIAL: What are they doing?
Looks like there's confusion there.
This is the number one Audi e-tron hybrid.
Leading the race at this point.
Doors are open.
Doors are open.
Confusion in the Audi tent as to what the hell's going on.
They're checking everything out, I guess, to make sure
it's all good.
Just want to make sure nothing is broken.
Looks like the back is a little damaged.
They're deciding as to whether or not to take the back off.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Man, that driver just leaped in.
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
Stand by everyone.
And they're off.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Where'd they go?
JF MUSIAL: Well, one feed is faster than the other.
But they're about to get off right here.
Yep.
He's gone.
No changes.
And Leo?
Oh, Leo crashed.
OK.
So the number one Audi e-tron quattro, the new flywheel
hybrid from Audi has just went off, gone to the pits, and is
back now out on track.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Look at those stands, so full of people.
MIKE SPINELLI: When's our second dinner happening?
JF MUSIAL: I don't know.
I'm getting hungry.
MALE SPEAKER: I'm ready for second breakfast.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: We still have pizza.
[INAUDIBLE]--
MALE SPEAKER: [INAUDIBLE].
It looks like zombie pizza now.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Oh, I'll eat it.
MALE SPEAKER: It looks like ghoul pizza.
[SIDE CONVERSATION]
JF MUSIAL: Dude, he was lucky.
Whoever was driving, Marcel I think, was driving [INAUDIBLE]
and was very lucky.
He came probably about three feet from the wall.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Fassler.
LEO PARENTE: I'll be a spectator.
What happened?
JF MUSIAL: The number one Audi e-tron went off.
Welcome back, Leo.
LEO PARENTE: The three [INAUDIBLE] back in fifth or
fourth or something?
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
ALEX ROY: Leo, I'll give you your seat back in a moment
after I finish my thought.
LEO PARENTE: No problem.
JF MUSIAL: OK.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: You're so calm and relaxed.
JF MUSIAL: "This is the best I've ever seen JF Musial
dressed." Thank you.
OK.
What were just talking about?
ALEX ROY: The Google Glasses--
JF MUSIAL: Also, the number two Audi is now leading.
LEO PARENTE: McNish and Kristensen?
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
Looks like it.
LEO PARENTE: Oh, God.
Here we go.
ALEX ROY: This is gonna be good.
JF MUSIAL: They're not gonna want to give that up.
LEO PARENTE: Oh, here's the off.
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
It was just a-- he got very lucky.
Look at how close this was.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I mean, if you actually happen to be watching
this race, it's crazy.
These cars are cornering real hard, all the time.
JF MUSIAL: Very lucky right there.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: And it's no surprise that there would be--
you know, you could spin.
JF MUSIAL: Let's see if McNish, hold on.
I think McNish may not be P1.
But the gap is very close.
Oh, no.
McNish is P1.
OK.
LEO PARENTE: By the way, he wasn't that lucky.
There's a back of the car.
JF MUSIAL: It could have been much worse.
LEO PARENTE: Looked like he missed the
turn in just enough.
[INAUDIBLE]
after the Porsche curve, the [INAUDIBLE]?
JF MUSIAL: Maybe turned in too early?
I don't know.
LEO PARENTE: Late.
And there we go.
JF MUSIAL: The number two Audi e-tron quattro hybrid is
leading the pack with Allan McNish up front.
[SIDE CONVERSATION]
JF MUSIAL: Allan McNish.
All right.
Alex, you want to finish your thought?
Also, 53 second lead right now.
So this is still tight.
ALEX ROY: The question was how could the race coverage be
improved for people at a race.
When Google Glasses becomes widely available and
reasonably priced--
augmented reality, which is a technology that when you see
Minority Report, you see Tom Cruise walking in
the shopping center.
You see as he passes windows and ads are served to him that
are customized to him.
That is to me a nightmarish future for us.
But augmented reality, and Google Glasses is the first
iteration of this, will be awesome for race coverage.
Because if you look at Speed's coverage.
And if you look at Speed's coverage of Le Mans versus
Speed's coverage of NASCAR, you see that each race series
has its own set of data that they offer on screen.
Whether it's say, in NASCAR, the arrows and bubbles that
are over the vehicles as they move.
Which is wonderful.
If you look at football games, and you see the logos
companies pay to have superimposed over the field.
When Google Glasses becomes widely available, you're gonna
see all the teams that separately have separate cams,
separate telemetry, separate overlays, in addition,
overlapping but sometimes not overlapping with what, say the
ACO offers with their coverage.
You're going to see all these things combined into a data
overlay that the fan can select from in terms of what
he wants to see.
So if I was a Toyota fan [INAUDIBLE]
Google Glasses at Le Mans and augmented reality was
available, I could select the features.
I would only want to see three competitors' overlays as I
watch the cars go past.
And I would want to be able to see the Audi approach, the
Toyota approaching.
And I'd want to see their relative positions.
And that is when racing will take an enormous leap forward
in, I guess, information and enjoyment for the fan who
really cares.
And it will be possible for someone who knows nothing to
go to a race for the first time and select the amateur
instructional data overlap.
The pro can go and get his overlay.
And that is going to be an awesome future
for lovers of racing.
And every form of professional sports will benefit from that
technology.
So that's my answer as to how to make it improved
JF MUSIAL: So this is Google Glasses?
ALEX ROY: Google Glasses.
If I were the ACO, of if I were an individual team, if I
were Audi, I'd contact Google tomorrow and say we would like
to be the beta tester for augmented reality systems.
We'll provide Google Glasses to our VIP ticket buying fans
who come to the races.
And it will make the
experience of our team amazing.
Other teams will suffer for it.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Oh, sure.
Because when you're actually there, you can't perceive
what's really--
I mean, you just see sort of blurs.
ALEX ROY: At night.
If you're wearing a pair of Google Glasses and at night
you see lights approaching, and then you just flick on my
overlay and you see who's coming.
You see the closing rate.
Look at how hard it is for us to gather data here in New
York with 10 laptops, 18 people, and Leo, who knows
more than anyone I know.
And even I have a hard time gathering what goes on without
the hourly update.
And that's a great future for racing fan
and fans of all sports.
Alex is done with his second [INAUDIBLE]
remark of the 24 Hours of Le Mans.
I'll be back in a few hours after playing Forza.
Your time is approaching, as is my likely loss to one of
you out there.
JF MUSIAL: Bottom of the hour, 10:30 PM in New York, which
means it's 4:30 in the morning at Le Mans.
Middle of the night at Le Mans.
53 second lead for the number two.
At the wheel, Allan McNish in the Audi R18 e-tron quattro.
[SIDE CONVERSATION]
ALEX ROY: Leo didn't say a word about what I said, which
means I might have said something [INAUDIBLE].
[SIDE CONVERSATION]
JF MUSIAL: OK.
LEO PARENTE: So does Corvette have to go home to Detroit and
do some Ricky Ricardo with the board of directors?
JF MUSIAL: They were up front, too.
[INAUDIBLE] stuff.
LEO PARENTE: Well, and if this thing is picking me up already
while I'm doing this, it really was a snowball effect.
The wheel guy missed the nut.
JF MUSIAL: One thing
LEO PARENTE: And then it all tumbled home.
They had the problem that they had to repair.
The mechanical when they lost the wheel.
Then pushing too hard created more problems.
Now what happened to Magnussen in the 73?
Is he gone too?
JF MUSIAL: It says he's out and running.
LEO PARENTE: But they're not in the top three anymore?
JF MUSIAL: No, no, no.
I'm watching the Vantage now.
The Vantage is only two laps down from P1.
LEO PARENTE: Here comes Aston Martin.
JF MUSIAL: That's going to be an interesting battle.
A very interesting battle.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Oh, Leo, we have a question from the
commenters?
LEO PARENTE: Yeah.
Hi, by the way.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: So sunrise should be coming up in--
what is it?
JF MUSIAL: An hour and a half.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Hour and a half.
So can you just talk us through what's going to be
happening without from a driver's perspective what that
means about being on track?
LEO PARENTE: You're tired.
The windshield's dirty.
There's junk everywhere.
The glare's going to be in your eyes.
So the challenge, really becomes-- it's almost like
night racing.
You start to use your memory of where the track is.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: [INAUDIBLE]
who's number 48?
LEO PARENTE: One of the LMP2 cars.
I think the Murphy car.
And you start to anticipate where the track is.
Because you're not going to have a clear look at it.
I have not driven Le Mans, so I'm not going to pretend to be
that expert.
But I've driven at dusk, driven at dawn.
It ain't fun.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Is it easier to drive at night than it is
to drive at dawn?
LEO PARENTE: It's easier to drive without the glare.
So yes.
If that's your question.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: That's interesting.
LEO PARENTE: At least for me it was.
The night, there was that consistency.
And the glare?
We were out in Miami, late afternoon practice session.
Heading into turn one and all you had was glare.
I hated it.
You just had to imagine when it was time to turn.
And looking out at the side of the car, saying OK, here's the
wall, time to turn.
That was not fun.
That became religious.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: You had you're [INAUDIBLE] moment.
LEO PARENTE: Yeah.
The cursing in the car was amazing.
JF MUSIAL: Very interesting pit stop strategy for the 51
Corse in GT Pro.
12 stops, everyone else is 13 or 14.
LEO PARENTE: Yeah.
And I'm trying to figure where they snuck it in.
But they're getting it done.
So unless they did something early and stayed out on tires
when everyone went to some type of intermediate?
JF MUSIAL: Number 48 has spun according to quattroworld.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Yeah, they have.
LEO PARENTE: Which is a P2 car, right?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: They're one of the lower Oreca Nissans.
JF MUSIAL: Thank you Josh or whoever's tweeting from Le
Mans press room.
We have George from Fourtitude.
LEO PARENTE: Hey, George.
JF MUSIAL: Still awake with us.
And [INAUDIBLE], who hopefully has not been molested on the
floor of the press room.
Yeah.
We're looking at it.
The 48 has spun.
That's just shy of pit-in, I do believe.
Yeah, that's just shy of pit-in.
That's a dangerous place for everyone to be right there.
All those [INAUDIBLE].
I would not want to be doing their job right now.
That's an awesome shot there with the Ferris wheel.
LEO PARENTE: Yeah.
What did happen with the Rebellions?
They're in the pits an awful lot.
JF MUSIAL: I don't know.
LEO PARENTE: There we go.
So we still have a Rebellion P4 before I talk too fast.
They're four and six.
So I guess it's not as bad as I thought.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I will say that two of the top three
Audis have pitted more than the Lolas.
So that's something to go for you.
JF MUSIAL: They keep looking at this back bumper.
LEO PARENTE: I didn't realize that was an e-tron that spun.
JF MUSIAL: Yeah, it was an e-tron that spun.
[INAUDIBLE].
LEO PARENTE: I have a feeling I know what Alex would say.
But do we like this light hued white-and-silver paint scheme
for the e-tron versus something more dark or German?
Or typically Audi?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: No.
It's quite typical Audi.
That's the scheme they used to run in their tin-top years.
So that's what they'd run on all their like, whatever they
were, Audi 1000s.
Or their old quattro--
their quattro touring cars.
LEO PARENTE: Oh, OK.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Except that theirs were better because
they were a bit more linear.
And they had a darker gray, as well.
LEO PARENTE: I know what you're talking about.
Yeah.
The 5000s--
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: It's [INAUDIBLE].
Yeah.
JF MUSIAL: As George just pointed out, white was the
original German color.
LEO PARENTE: That's true.
That's true.
But you know how they became silver, right?
Everyone knows this story?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: That's a very controversial story.
But--
JF MUSIAL: [INAUDIBLE].
LEO PARENTE: So who wants to go?
Go ahead.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: No.
You go.
Because then I'm going to debate it.
LEO PARENTE: No, then I'm not going to let
that happen to me.
So you go first.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: OK.
Well, reportedly, it was the Mercedes cars were
running some race.
And I guess it was the '30s and whatever the hell his name
was, Hermann, you know, the great overbearing Mercedes
crew chief, saw that the cars were just slightly overweight.
[GERMAN ACCENT]
And so he ordered that the cars would have their paint
stripped away from them.
Now, this is what he wrote in his own book [INAUDIBLE]
account.
JF MUSIAL: You had to do it with a German accent?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I did have to do it with a German accent.
Because he's--
JF MUSIAL: Vettel already put you in your place.
And you--
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: Vettel failed to put me in my place.
LEO PARENTE: Wow.
Wow.
Please continue.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: So this is something--
and I'm very sorry that I'm blanking on this guy's name--
but this whole story comes from his own book that he
wrote accounting his years with the Grand Prix teams.
LEO PARENTE: I'm guessing, was it Neubauer?
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: That's who it is.
It's Neubauer, yeah.
LEO PARENTE: Neubauer.
Go ahead.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: So this is Neubauer, who is this
fantastic guy.
He's got one of the best lines about racing.
He said, the racing car driver is the
loneliest man in the world.
Really cool guy.
But he came up with this story.
He he writes this whole story about how they were just
barely overweight.
And in the night they buffed all the paint off their car,
took it back to be re-weighed, and it was just under weight.
But there are conflicting accounts on it.
And it may have just been him being typical Neubauer and
just sort of making a story when there wasn't one.
And just deciding that the cars were gonna be silver.
LEO PARENTE: Thank you.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I will provide a link to the historical
debate on this in the comments if you're tired of watching
cars go around in the nighttime.
JF MUSIAL: Interesting factoid, right now.
As of this point, we've streamed 14 hours and 30
minutes on the dot.
With over 8,589 hours streamed across the world individually.
LEO PARENTE: So it got picked up and kind of multiplied?
JF MUSIAL: Just by how many people.
We've already had 54,000 unique visitors.
LEO PARENTE: That's what I love about the internet.
We can take a 24-hour race and do 48 hours of programming.
JF MUSIAL: Well, if you count all the different people
watching there's been over 8,594 hours consumed of
content and 54,259 unique individuals
have tuned into this.
LEO PARENTE: Wow.
JF MUSIAL: Last year was 64,000.
LEO PARENTE: We're not done.
JF MUSIAL: I know.
LEO PARENTE: We're not done.
Because the race is--
Honestly, we're in the middle of this race.
JF MUSIAL: We're picking up viewers right now, actually.
LEO PARENTE: Yeah.
We're in the middle of this race.
And this thing's going to pick up at the end.
The Audi battle is actually gonna be allowed to go green
against each other.
I don't think the GT battle is done yet.
P2 could get exciting.
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
LEO PARENTE: And there are enough amateurs out that I
could do an amateur hitting a P1 joke.
But I'm not gonna.
JF MUSIAL: It's OK.
LEO PARENTE: Nah.
JF MUSIAL: No Red Bull or Five-Hour Energy drinks
consumed, at this point.
At least, on this desk.
I haven't had any.
LEO PARENTE: Coffee, though.
JF MUSIAL: I haven't had coffee since
8:00 AM this morning.
In face, I had half a subway sandwich and some M&Ms.
LEO PARENTE: Hey, who get's the credit for
bringing the coffee?
Who gets the public credit?
JF MUSIAL: Jordan Vega over there.
A good friend.
Jordan, you're always welcome to join us if you want to.
JORDAN VEGA: [INAUDIBLE].
JF MUSIAL: That's OK.
That's OK.
Well, where'd Alex go?
LEO PARENTE: I don't know I though he was gonna race.
JF MUSIAL: I thought so too.
LEO PARENTE: I was doing some laps of Sebring.
JF MUSIAL: I saw you crash an [INAUDIBLE].
LEO PARENTE: You know?
You can't turn in on six flat.
[INAUDIBLE].
JF MUSIAL: [INAUDIBLE].
LEO PARENTE: I know.
I know.
I like it when the parts guy comes over to the Porsche
teams at the end of the race to add up the bill.
And I said to him once, I said, you really shouldn't
show up here smiling.
The teams really don't appreciate that part of it.
He said, this is my happy time.
Yeah.
No kidding.
Oh, God.
More crew guys running down pit lane.
That can't be good.
JF MUSIAL: No, no, no.
This is the 4:00 AM job.
LEO PARENTE: The Murphy--
[LAUGHS]
JF MUSIAL: See?
They just gave up.
LEO PARENTE: I think that's the Murphy P2 people.
Because they--
Oh, they're going to go find their car.
JF MUSIAL: My joke was ruined.
There was a car that actually was in distress.
LEO PARENTE: And I shouldn't make fun of this.
these are not fun times.
JF MUSIAL: It's the number 48.
RAPHAEL ORLOVE: I'm going to come back to this
paint-stripping thing in five minutes.
JF MUSIAL: OK.
How's the Morgan doing?
LEO PARENTE: Well, I read the email from the press release
of the Morgan retirement in P2.
So we need to go check--
JF MUSIAL: The number 35 is still running.
LEO PARENTE: That's the Nissan.
Oh, that's the Nissan-powered one, yeah.
And to be frank--
JF MUSIAL: Oh, wheel.
LEO PARENTE: That is not gonna happen.
Last time I check we had a Starworks Honda in P2 being
chased by pretty much Nissan, Nissan,
Nissan, Nissan, Nissan.
So let's see where the Morgan version of it is.
Man, I don't find it.
I have, in P2, Starworks HPD, to your point, Oreca Nissan
from Pecom.
The Signatech Oreca with the little anime on the fin.
Oreca Nissa, Oreca Nissan, I think that's the Murphy car,
the 48, which was running fifth in class.
One, two, three, four, five.
It no longer is.
Scott Tucker's Level 5.
I'm sorry guys.
The Morgan is in the back of the P2 field.
193 laps against 201 leading the class.
JF MUSIAL: So we're getting a bit of daylight right now over
the circuit.
And Alex Roy, yes?
ALEX ROY: I just wanted to present to anyone watching,
how I want to execute the Forza race against me.
I have a list of gamer tags, probably about 25
tags at this point.
And I'm gonna set up the game in about 5, 10 minutes.
And then I'm going to start sending out invitations to the
list sequentially, based on who submitted first.
I wanted to do a race of 16 cars.
And we're gonna do four laps of Le Mans.
We're going to run the rules as real Le Mans.
So it's gonna be ABS off, traction on, R1 class,
upgrades allowed.
We're not going to force stock tuning.
And if people drop out and don't immediately jump back
in, when the race is over I'm gonna go sequentially down the
list of gamer tags and add the next person
who's not been involved.
I mean, I love doing this.
And I'm not going to pretend I'm the best driver.
But I'd like this to be as fun and realistic
for everyone as possible.
And I know it's Forza, so don't bother coming to me and
saying GT5 is better.
I don't have it here.
We're going to do damage on, full on, that's the way it's
going to go, with tire wear and the whole deal.
If you're going to start ramming people at the start
line and hope that you survive the damage model and then limp
to the finish to take the win, I'm gonna boot you.
And I'm not going to say that I'm gonna
follow a line correctly.
Because I'm just not that good.
But it's going to be very obvious to me if you're out
there ramming people, you want to go to war,
I'm gonna boot you.
And that's the way it's going to go.
So I'm gonna get up and set up the game.
And it's probably gonna take 10 to 15 minutes to
fill out the grid.
But when it's full, I've got 16 people, we're going to go.
If you don't get included, don't worry.
I'm probably going to play for about two hours, take a break,
and then start all over again.
So it would be very disappointing to have you
enter and then find that after two laps you're tired.
Sim racing is easy because we will all survive.
But four laps of Le Mans, if you're really serious about
it, can be pretty tiring.
And given my girth and health, I'll be sweating like
a pig by the end.
LEO PARENTE: You're kidding?
ALEX ROY: No.
LEO PARENTE: You're kidding.
ALEX ROY: I'm a sweaty mess.
So if you've got headsets, you can communicate.
[INAUDIBLE]
I will have a headset on and hopefully it will work.
So I'm gonna go set it up now.
And I'll probably pop back in in five minutes, let you know
when it's ready.
The game is gonna be called Drive Forza Race.
Drive space Forza Race.
Run a search for it.
All right.
I will be back.
JF MUSIAL: Great stuff.
LEO PARENTE: Have a good run.
JF MUSIAL: Looking at the number one Audi has surpassed
the number two.
Alex, can we film you?
ALEX ROY: Sure.
LEO PARENTE: Let me tell you how bad it is to be an
American team in GT racing at Le Mans this year.
There are nine cars running.
The bottom three are the American cars.
Corvette, Corvette, Flying Lizards.
Guys, guys, guys, guys.
JF MUSIAL: [INAUDIBLE].
LEO PARENTE: And Ferrari?
Where I was ready to mentally slam them for just running
private teams?
One and two.
The Vantage Aston Martin three, two more Ferraris.
It's close.
I mean, we've got one lap between first and second.
And second and third are on the same lap.
But then there's a gap.
[LOUD NOISE]
LEO PARENTE: Hey, he's your friend.
I just come here to work
JF MUSIAL: You all right over there, Alex?
ALEX ROY: Yeah.
Yeah.
LEO PARENTE: I was my fault.
I left it at Leo size.
I'm sorry.
Alex, win the damn race, whatever you do, OK?
JF MUSIAL: All right.
LEO PARENTE: I'm gonna ruin the surprise.
Are we going to [INAUDIBLE]?
JF MUSIAL: I don't know.
LEO PARENTE: Don't know yet.
MALE SPEAKER: About 50 minutes.
LEO PARENTE: In about 15 minutes we're going to--
MALE SPEAKER: 50.
JF MUSIAL: In 15 minutes we have a break.
LEO PARENTE: Are there any commenter questions we should
chat about?
[INAUDIBLE]
Stick with it.
MALE SPEAKER: That's actually the first on-camera yawn.
JF MUSIAL: Sorry.
Sorry.
MALE SPEAKER: Not even midnight.
JF MUSIAL: The number two R18 e-tron with McNish is four and
1/2 seconds behind Andre Lotterer in the number one.
LEO PARENTE: So they traded position in pit stops?
JF MUSIAL: No, I think it was on track.
LEO PARENTE: Wow.
JF MUSIAL: Correct me if I'm wrong, boys and girls.
[LAUGHTER]
JF MUSIAL: What's so funny?
MALE SPEAKER: People are all like, what was that?
What was that loud noise?
Alex is destroying ***.
LEO PARENTE: What?
Didn't he already do that earlier?
JF MUSIAL: Ian is here now producing the show with Josh.
LEO PARENTE: Oh, yeah, hey.
Hi, Ian Whelan, producer man.
JF MUSIAL: By the way, did you happen to see how the set was
destroyed earlier today?
IAN WHELAN: I heard about it.
JF MUSIAL: How did you hear about it?
MALE SPEAKER: I told him.
JF MUSIAL: Oh, OK.
Yeah.
Thank Alex Roy for that one, as well.
I just loved Alex's reaction.
He destroys it and then just sits there.
I think someone else--
MALE SPEAKER: He took out out his iPad and just started
carrying on like nothing happened.
JF MUSIAL: And just expected as if it was just gonna
magically come back to life.
And it didn't.
Gonna *** Derek off by destroying his--
If you want to join in to the live stream to see the feed,
the ACO feed live.lemans-tv.com.
We've got live timing there, as well as feeds throughout
some of the in-car cameras at the track.
Sunrise will be in officially about an hour.
But you're gonna start seeing the sunrise over Le Mans soon.
We're going into happy hour.
Let's start pumping this up.
Happy hour comes in about 10 minutes.
LEO PARENTE: Oh, because of the dawn?
JF MUSIAL: Yeah, that's happy hour.
LEO PARENTE: They call it happy hour?
JF MUSIAL: That's when the cars get the fastest.
LEO PARENTE: Really?
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
MALE SPEAKER: Explain that.
Why are the cars fastest at happy hour?
JF MUSIAL: Well, the tracks cool.
More light on the track so they can see.
And the track has rubbered in.
LEO PARENTE: I'm not debating you.
JF MUSIAL: Before it gets too hot, it's gonna be good.
Plus the drivers enjoy it.
MALE SPEAKER: And what are we gonna do at happy hour?
JF MUSIAL: I don't know What are we doing at happy hour?
MALE SPEAKER: I think we're gonna have a drink.
LEO PARENTE: What do you normally do at happy hour?
MALE SPEAKER: We're gonna get a little bit faster.
JF MUSIAL: All right.
OK.
LEO PARENTE: Oh.
MALE SPEAKER: Yeah, we might need to do a shot.
ALEX ROY: May I have a drink before I drive?
MALE SPEAKER: No.
JF MUSIAL: No, no, no.
MALE SPEAKER: Absolutely not.
What's the [INAUDIBLE] of James Hunt.
What's the third-to-last line of every
Drive credit sequence?
I will give a free t-shirt to the first commenter who
mentions this in any comment.
JF MUSIAL: What is the third-to-last comment in every
Drive episode in the credits?
Free t-shirt to someone that actually gets this right.
MALE SPEAKER: It's really easy.
JF MUSIAL: I'm looking at the comments.
LEO PARENTE: Always wear a ***?
Was that it?
No?
MALE SPEAKER: That should help them.
[INAUDIBLE CONVERSATION]
LEO PARENTE: I'm wearing one right now.
Just in case.