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17:15:55:06 �� 17:29:58:18 >>> Coming up next on "Arizona
17:29:59:18 Horizon," an update and 17:30:02:09 historical perspective on
17:30:03:27 flooding conditions in the 17:30:04:24 Valley.
17:30:05:06 Also tonight we'll try to figure 17:30:06:18 out why job creation has slowed,
17:30:09:18 and we'll learn about an effort 17:30:11:12 to inform Arizona teachers about
17:30:13:12 Asperger's syndrome. 17:30:14:15 Those stories next on "Arizona
17:30:15:03 Horizon." 17:30:16:24 >>> "Arizona Horizon" is made
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17:30:23:27 Thank you. 17:30:26:12 >>> Good evening, and welcome
to 17:30:26:21 "Arizona Horizon," I'm Ted
17:30:28:03 Simons. 17:30:28:24 Cleanup efforts continue around
17:30:30:21 the Valley after yesterday's 17:30:32:15 record rainfall.
17:30:33:15 For an update of flooding 17:30:35:03 conditions, and to put those
17:30:36:09 conditions into historical 17:30:37:21 perspective, we welcome Steve
17:30:39:00 Waters, the flood warning branch 17:30:43:06 manager for the Flood Control
17:30:43:21 District of Maricopa County. 17:30:44:24 Welcome to "Arizona Horizon,"
17:30:45:27 I'm sure you're a busy man these 17:30:47:27 days.
17:30:48:06 >> Very busy. 17:30:49:00 >> What are we seeing around the
17:30:50:15 county now? 17:30:51:15 >> We're seeing water recede and
17:30:54:21 Indian Bend Wash is almost dried 17:30:58:00 out.
17:30:58:12 Salt River is storing a little 17:31:00:21 bit of water.
17:31:01:24 Most of the channels that were 17:31:03:15 doing their jobs yesterday are
17:31:05:15 emptying out and getting back to
17:31:07:12 normal. 17:31:07:27 Unfortunately we do have more
17:31:09:09 storms coming in tonight. 17:31:10:18 We'll have to play it by ear but
17:31:12:27 it won't be anything like 17:31:15:03 yesterday.
17:31:15:15 >> Have you seen anything like 17:31:17:06 yesterday?
17:31:19:06 >> We have seen storms like 17:31:20:18 that.
17:31:21:00 They don't always hit right in 17:31:23:06 the urban area.
17:31:25:18 We have had storms of that 17:31:27:09 magnitude in the past.
17:31:29:12 When it hits right on 17:31:30:27 everybody's house, it's kind of
17:31:32:12 a different deal. 17:31:33:15 >> When the buildout continues
17:31:35:12 where there were no houses, 17:31:38:06 there are now, flooding.
17:31:40:18 >> Very much so. 17:31:41:09 In a storm like this we get
17:31:43:12 rainfall amounts that overtax 17:31:44:21 the drainage systems put in
17:31:46:18 place. 17:31:47:00 And then people say, well, you
17:31:49:06 know, this huge storm and 17:31:53:06 retention basins are not working
17:31:56:00 and storm sewers are not 17:31:57:24 working.
17:31:58:12 Those are designed to carry a 17:31:59:24 certain load based on the money
17:32:01:27 available for them. 17:32:02:24 In a storm like this they are
17:32:04:09 going to be overtaxed. 17:32:05:27 >> As far as the areas hit
17:32:06:27 worst, what have you seen? 17:32:10:06 In terms of flooding.
17:32:12:21 >>> In terms of flooding, 17:32:13:24 probably Southeast Valley, areas
17:32:15:15 around Chandler and Gilbert and 17:32:18:00 Mesa.
17:32:19:03 There was flooding of course on 17:32:20:09 the freeways.
17:32:21:09 And again there are some 17:32:22:27 structures that were overtaxed,
17:32:24:18 weren't able to do their jobs 17:32:26:12 quite like they should.
17:32:27:18 So people suffered as a result. 17:32:29:27 >> Were any of the areas that
17:32:31:03 flooded of note, unusual? 17:32:33:24 Are these the places that
17:32:35:00 usually get flooding when we 17:32:36:24 have hard rain, or was this that
17:32:39:03 and then some? 17:32:41:12 >> Well, when we get hard rain
17:32:44:18 we identify always new areas 17:32:46:06 that are prone to flooding.
17:32:47:27 We can't plan and model every 17:32:49:27 area of the Valley.
17:32:52:06 So when we have a storm that 17:32:54:03 hits on the north-south of South
17:32:56:06 Mountain or the urban areas, we 17:32:58:06 identify new areas that are
17:32:59:21 prone to flooding. 17:33:00:24 >> Basically you learn with each
17:33:02:12 storm, don't you? 17:33:04:03 >> Oh, very much so.
17:33:05:18 We have project managers and 17:33:07:09 planners whose job it is to
17:33:09:24 design facilities that are new 17:33:12:27 and taking care of new water.
17:33:14:24 And when we good and the storm 17:33:16:06 like this they are out in the
17:33:17:21 field. 17:33:18:03 They are looking at their
17:33:19:03 project areas and seeing where 17:33:20:21 those problems are.
17:33:21:18 >> And in general, then, the 17:33:23:06 retention basins did what they
17:33:25:06 were supposed to do? 17:33:26:18 >> Let's talk about that for a
17:33:28:00 second. 17:33:29:06 There are detention basins with
17:33:33:00 little developments. 17:33:34:18 There are neighborhood sized
17:33:36:03 detention basins, regional 17:33:38:12 detention basins and they are
17:33:39:21 all sized to different storms. 17:33:41:27 Again, depending on the amount
17:33:43:12 of money people want to spend on
17:33:45:03 those. 17:33:46:18 Detention basins designed for
17:33:48:21 two or 10-year storms, yeah, 17:33:51:06 they were overtaxes and probably
17:33:53:09 spilled and did all kinds of 17:33:54:24 stuff.
17:33:55:00 The newest detention base we 17:33:57:06 have out at Levine on the North
17:34:01:21 side did its stuff. 17:34:06:06 >> Levine is hit all the time.
17:34:08:09 >> It has been this summer, 17:34:09:18 other summers, no.
17:34:11:09 >> Storms have been coming a lot 17:34:12:21 from the west, it seems and new
17:34:14:18 spots breaking out all the time. 17:34:16:09 >> We've had a couple of very
17:34:17:21 early season low pressure 17:34:20:12 systems coming off the Pacific
17:34:22:00 that have interacted with 17:34:23:24 moisture coming from the South.
17:34:25:03 That's caused the events of 17:34:26:18 August 19th and the one
17:34:28:00 yesterday to just be way worse 17:34:30:12 than they usually are, because
17:34:32:09 most of the time we have the 17:34:34:12 moisture that comes from the
17:34:35:18 northeast. 17:34:35:27 As it comes downslope from the
17:34:38:18 mountains, the air falls with 17:34:41:15 it.
17:34:41:27 But when it goes the other way, 17:34:43:21 the air lifts up as it's moving
17:34:46:03 and drops that much more rain. 17:34:48:06 >> So it looks like things are
17:34:49:18 getting back to normal here. 17:34:51:00 We'll see what happens with
17:34:52:27 storms tonight and maybe a touch 17:34:55:12 or so tomorrow.
17:34:56:06 We hope the folks in Mesa -- 17:34:59:03 they are really -- and that was
17:35:00:12 again regarding freeway stuff 17:35:03:06 and, again, just a freak of
17:35:05:21 geography? 17:35:06:27 >> There may have been a little
17:35:08:00 bit of influence from the 17:35:09:12 upcoming El Nino.
17:35:11:12 Early in the season we had one 17:35:13:00 of the earliest ever category
5 17:35:17:03 storms in the East Pacific.
17:35:19:03 We've had Hurricane Norbert come 17:35:21:00 up and peel moisture into the
17:35:25:03 southern U.S. 17:35:26:09 >> Before you go, we have a
17:35:28:18 couple of shots just to prove 17:35:30:00 these storms do happen.
17:35:31:06 We have a shot from 1905, the 17:35:33:15 state capitol.
17:35:33:27 This looks like it could be an 17:35:35:24 old photograph from a day or two
17:35:37:27 ago, as far as the state capitol 17:35:39:15 just absolutely being inundated
17:35:41:12 with rain. 17:35:42:09 >> Right.
17:35:42:21 The state capitol is in the 17:35:43:15 historic floodplain of Cave
17:35:45:09 Creek. 17:35:46:12 And Cave Creek now has a nice
17:35:49:06 big dam up at Joe Max road. 17:35:51:24 But back then, Cave Creek flowed
17:35:56:00 to the Salt River. 17:35:57:00 And the state capitol was in the
17:35:58:06 way when. 17:35:58:18 They had a big storm on upper
17:36:01:00 Cave Creek, the state capitol 17:36:02:09 would get flooded and actually
a 17:36:04:18 flooding of the capitol in the
17:36:06:06 1950s is what caused the 17:36:08:09 legislature to create flood
17:36:09:24 control districts in Arizona. 17:36:11:09 >> Isn't that interesting?
17:36:12:24 We have another shot of the 17:36:14:06 capitol underwater during a
17:36:16:06 flood. 17:36:16:12 I think it was the same flood
in 17:36:18:21 1905.
17:36:20:12 >> Right, horse-drawn buggies, 17:36:23:12 but still don't cross flooded
17:36:25:15 recognize even with your horse. 17:36:27:12 >> In the 1930s we have a lot
of 17:36:30:00 folks in Gilbert, Arizona, doing
17:36:32:03 what's coming naturally. 17:36:33:24 >> This was a storm in the
17:36:34:18 '30s. 17:36:35:21 There was also a big storm in
17:36:37:03 the Southeast Valley in 1954. 17:36:39:00 But the Corps of Engineers used
17:36:40:27 to design the big dam that we 17:36:44:03 see now.
17:36:44:24 >> For this storm, coming up at 17:36:46:15 9th and Northern there was a
17:36:48:21 canal break. 17:36:49:24 This is 9th street and
17:36:52:15 Northern. 17:36:54:15 >> Wow.
17:36:55:00 >> And this produced all this 17:36:57:00 rain, they still weren't as much
17:36:58:06 as yesterday, were they? 17:37:01:09 >> Nope.
17:37:01:18 In some places, no. 17:37:03:03 For instance, the storm of June
17:37:04:27 1972, there were recorded 17:37:06:27 amounts of five inches.
17:37:08:21 But not quite in as large of an 17:37:11:09 area as we saw yesterday.
17:37:13:03 >> Those are some historical 17:37:15:06 photos there to put it all into
17:37:16:27 perspective. 17:37:17:21 When we have storms, how -- is
17:37:19:27 there a temptation to go too far 17:37:22:09 to protect from these kinds of
17:37:24:18 things? 17:37:25:15 You know what I mean?
17:37:27:06 You to build 100-year or 17:37:30:06 thousand-year -- but even you
17:37:32:00 were saying these weren't made 17:37:34:18 for those.
17:37:35:15 How do you work into the future 17:37:37:12 with something like this?
17:37:39:15 >> Well, you keep doing what 17:37:41:06 you're doing.
17:37:41:27 As the flood district for 17:37:44:15 Maricopa County, we look at a
17:37:45:24 region flatly nal approach. 17:37:47:27 We've been building structures
17:37:49:06 over the years, dams and 17:37:50:21 channels that protect large
17:37:52:03 areas of land. 17:37:53:24 The developers, they can do what
17:37:57:09 they can do. 17:37:57:27 Every city in the county has a
17:38:00:27 little different drainage 17:38:02:09 standard of how they want things
17:38:04:03 built. 17:38:04:15 But you're right, there can be
a 17:38:06:15 tendency to overdesign.
17:38:08:27 And in my opinion, the big Corps 17:38:12:03 dams on the north side of town
17:38:14:06 were overdesigned. 17:38:16:03 They are huge, they hold tons
17:38:18:03 and tons and tons of water. 17:38:20:15 >> Some of them got tons and
17:38:22:12 tons of water yesterday. 17:38:25:15 >> Good to have you here.
17:38:27:03 >> My pleasure. 17:38:53:06 ��
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17:39:39:18 today. 17:39:40:00 >>> The nation's unemployment
17:39:41:09 rate fell in August but the job 17:39:44:18 growth rate did, too.
17:39:47:21 Theory help us make sense of all 17:39:49:21 this is Jim Rounds of the
17:39:51:21 Elliott D. Pollack & Company. 17:39:52:24 Good to see you.
17:39:54:03 >> Good to see you. 17:39:55:21 >> August jobless rate down.
17:39:58:15 Good, right? 17:39:59:12 >> We're seeing the trend but
17:40:00:27 it's due to a number of things. 17:40:03:15 What you mentioned, there are
17:40:05:00 some people leaving the 17:40:06:00 workforce, they are not looking
17:40:07:15 for work anymore. 17:40:09:06 Additional people are moving up
17:40:10:15 in terms of having a lower paid 17:40:12:03 job after the downturn.
17:40:13:24 They are getting into a more 17:40:15:27 normal job.
17:40:16:24 The one I like to look at at the 17:40:18:12 U.S. level is how many jobs have
17:40:20:27 been create. 17:40:21:27 Normally we'd like to see about
17:40:24:03 200,000 on a month over month 17:40:27:03 basis.
17:40:27:15 300, though, would be a 17:40:29:12 recovery.
17:40:30:03 142 was a little low but it 17:40:32:24 could be an anomaly, it could
be 17:40:35:12 back up within a few months.
17:40:37:15 >> Eight months or so, it's been 17:40:39:06 over 200,000 for quite a string.
17:40:42:03 >> Yeah, for six months 17:40:43:24 straight.
17:40:44:15 Sometimes this data gets 17:40:45:27 revised.
17:40:47:00 Don't rely too much on just one 17:40:49:09 data point.
17:40:50:00 I still think we're moving more 17:40:51:27 towards 200 to 250,000 on a
17:40:55:00 month over month basis and maybe 17:40:57:18 300,000 by next year.
17:41:00:00 >> On the months when it was 17:41:01:12 over 200,000, can you see
17:41:03:15 anything that may have happened 17:41:04:27 then that may not have happened
17:41:06:24 in August? 17:41:07:27 >> It's hard to tell.
17:41:09:06 Data gets revised, you go 17:41:11:03 through some seasonal effects.
17:41:13:12 We hear about a report but hates 17:41:15:00 to do with going into the summer
17:41:17:00 months and the education effect. 17:41:18:21 They try to make an adjustment
17:41:20:12 for the seasonal effects but 17:41:22:00 it's not always perfect.
17:41:24:18 Even in boom times we still see 17:41:26:21 the series kind of jagged.
17:41:29:24 If you look at the longer term 17:41:31:15 trend we're still improving,
17:41:33:21 just not at the rate that we 17:41:35:18 were hoping.
17:41:37:09 >> At a better rate than we 17:41:39:06 thought maybe year ago?
17:41:41:15 >> A year ago people talked 17:41:43:03 about whether or not we would
17:41:44:06 get another downturn. 17:41:45:27 Everybody got spooked when we
17:41:47:18 went through the first quarter 17:41:49:03 of the GDP decline.
17:41:52:12 We're entering a period when we 17:41:55:18 understand the data.
17:41:56:12 Half the data will make sense, 17:41:59:12 the other half you know
17:42:00:21 something's up but you can't 17:42:02:09 quite figure it out.
17:42:03:09 It's all weak and improving, but 17:42:05:27 it's all consistent.
17:42:07:12 We feel comfortable with the 17:42:08:24 long term forecasts that we're
17:42:10:03 getting better but we'd like to 17:42:11:24 see it improve a little more
17:42:13:15 than it has been. 17:42:14:18 >> When the recession hit, just
17:42:16:18 like when the flooding hits, you 17:42:18:21 learn something new every time.
17:42:20:18 When the recession hit did we 17:42:22:27 learn something new about the
17:42:24:06 numbers, about the economy? 17:42:26:00 >> Yes, especially Arizona.
17:42:27:18 We learned we're not always in a
17:42:29:06 situation where we outperform 17:42:31:12 the U.S.
17:42:32:03 Every prior downturn we've done 17:42:36:15 better than the U.S.
17:42:37:18 This has been the first time 17:42:38:27 since around the 1940s that we
17:42:40:15 were more cyclical than the U.S. 17:42:42:15 Typically we do better.
17:42:44:09 It's because population flow 17:42:47:09 stopped.
17:42:49:09 If it really impacts people's 17:42:51:21 ability to move, all bets are
17:42:53:09 off. 17:42:53:18 We're talking about some of
17:42:54:24 those things that make the 17:42:56:00 economy tick, like
17:42:56:27 transportation infrastructure, 17:42:57:24 education, things like that.
17:42:59:15 >> And again, the labor 17:43:00:15 department is saying that
17:43:01:12 layoffs really aren't a problem, 17:43:05:09 manufacturing, construction,
17:43:06:18 auto sales, those things seem to
17:43:08:03 be okay. 17:43:08:24 Recent data suggests it's still
17:43:11:06 relatively healthy out there. 17:43:14:03 >> Yeah.
17:43:14:12 We're seeing -- when you go into 17:43:16:00 the recovery, you tend to see
17:43:18:18 lower paying jobs come first. 17:43:21:12 Then after a while you see the
17:43:23:12 higher paying jobs come. 17:43:25:27 There were reports that the
17:43:27:00 higher paying jobs were 17:43:28:15 outpacing the lower paying jobs.
17:43:30:18 That's now how it economy works 17:43:32:24 so I think there were some flaws
17:43:34:21 in earlier studies. 17:43:36:00 We're not seeing that as much
in 17:43:37:27 Arizona yet.
17:43:38:18 We still need to see some people 17:43:40:15 move here, some additional
17:43:41:27 improvement in construction 17:43:42:24 employment, and even some of the
17:43:44:06 lower paying ones first. 17:43:45:24 But it'll come.
17:43:47:00 Instead of null recovery in 2015 17:43:50:06 like we were forecasting two or
17:43:52:15 three years ago, full recovery 17:43:55:00 2016 maybe.
17:43:57:24 >> But as opposed to a year ago 17:43:59:21 when it looks like we were going
17:44:02:03 in the wrong direction. 17:44:04:03 >> We try to remind people we're
17:44:07:03 five years into this economic 17:44:09:03 recovery also.
17:44:10:18 There's nothing that we're 17:44:12:18 building up excesses and the
17:44:14:03 state is going to fall off a 17:44:15:24 cliff.
17:44:16:09 The recovery is getting long in 17:44:17:24 the tooth.
17:44:18:15 We're probably not going to see 17:44:20:09 a downturn right around the
17:44:22:09 corner. 17:44:22:21 Be prepared for the fact that
17:44:24:24 things might not be normal in 17:44:26:15 terms of the Arizona recovery,
17:44:27:27 we might not have that boom that 17:44:30:27 we're used to, but expect next
17:44:33:03 year to be better than last year 17:44:35:12 and the next year better than
17:44:37:03 that. 17:44:37:09 Be very careful going past two
17:44:39:12 or three years. 17:44:40:24 >> With wages stagnant, the
17:44:42:24 lower paying jobs seem to be the 17:44:44:27 ones coming back first.
17:44:46:09 If that's the case, folks won't 17:44:48:03 be buying as much as they
17:44:50:15 usually are. 17:44:51:21 >> Spot on.
17:44:52:18 Consumers aren't buying as much 17:44:54:24 and businesses aren't investing
17:44:57:00 as much. 17:44:57:21 If you look at numbers like we
17:44:59:06 do, it looks like things are 17:45:02:06 barely improving, Florida.
17:45:04:03 You can't just draw a line 17:45:05:24 between two data points and get
17:45:08:15 a ruler and do your forecast. 17:45:10:09 We try to put some thought into
17:45:12:06 it. 17:45:12:15 It's hard to hit those
17:45:14:15 inflection points when we ramp 17:45:16:18 up.
17:45:17:12 >> Last question, this is theory 17:45:19:21 rhetorical but I'll throw it out
17:45:21:21 anyway. 17:45:22:00 As an economist would you rather
17:45:23:21 see the ramp like this? 17:45:25:06 Or do you want to see it go like
17:45:27:15 this tomorrow? 17:45:28:06 >> We don't want to see a
17:45:29:18 bubble. 17:45:30:06 In housing we don't want to see
17:45:32:09 a bubble in the stock market. 17:45:35:00 If things are only going
17:45:36:27 naturally moderately improve, 17:45:38:24 I'd rather they did that rather
17:45:40:21 than create another bubble. 17:45:42:18 People stop spending, businesses
17:45:45:00 stop investing and it's really 17:45:47:15 going impact the economy.
17:45:48:24 >> Moderation in all things when 17:45:50:15 it comes to the economy?
17:45:52:03 >> That's right. 17:45:52:15 >> Jim, good to see you.
17:45:54:27 >> Good to see you. 17:47:00:27 ��
17:47:05:06 >>> Tonight's edition of "Giving 17:47:09:06 and Leading" looks at an effort
17:47:11:15 to educate teachers about 17:47:12:18 Asperger's syndrome.
17:47:13:18 It includes about 45,000 paper 17:47:17:03 fortune-tellers with information
17:47:17:03 about Asperger's to Arizona 17:47:19:00 teachers.
17:47:20:09 Patty Dion is cofounder of 17:47:21:24 Southwest Autism's Research and
17:47:22:15 resource center's "Think 17:47:23:12 Asperger's" campaign.
17:47:24:18 And Dr. Raun Melmed is the 17:47:26:06 center's cofinder and medical
17:47:28:21 director. 17:47:29:12 Good to have you both here,
17:47:30:15 thank you so much for joining 17:47:31:18 you us.
17:47:32:06 Let's talk about this campaign 17:47:34:00 September 15th.
17:47:35:06 What is that? 17:47:36:21 >> I don't know if you remember
17:47:37:12 this as a child, but I sure do. 17:47:40:03 We called them chatterboxes or
17:47:42:12 fortune-tellers and they gave us
17:47:44:09 information. 17:47:45:00 Primarily about who was going
to 17:47:46:24 kiss us.
17:47:47:12 But in this campaign we are 17:47:48:27 looking at some of the signs of
17:47:51:24 Asperger's. 17:47:53:09 On each fold of paper we have
17:47:56:03 some of the red flag, for 17:47:58:00 example playing alone.
17:47:59:06 As you then open the chatterbox 17:48:01:06 or fortune-teller, you get a
17:48:03:21 little more defined idea of what 17:48:05:18 that means.
17:48:06:18 And more importantly, you are 17:48:08:15 asked to go to the
17:48:09:06 thinkAspergers.org website and 17:48:12:27 sign up for a free webinar on
17:48:15:21 Asperger's. 17:48:16:12 >> And it is important for
17:48:17:18 teachers to understand 17:48:18:27 Asperger's, because those kids
17:48:20:27 are out there, aren't they. 17:48:22:15 >> They sure are.
17:48:23:15 >> I think more and are more 17:48:24:18 people are becoming aware of it
17:48:26:06 and becoming aware of the fact 17:48:27:21 that when you know someone with
17:48:29:21 autism or Asperger's disorder, 17:48:32:00 we say, you know, one person
17:48:34:03 with autism or Asperger's. 17:48:37:06 The big difference between most
17:48:39:15 individuals with autism spectrum 17:48:41:27 doored and Asperger's disorder
17:48:43:03 that is individuals with 17:48:44:06 Asperger's disorder, which falls
17:48:46:09 under the umbrella of autism 17:48:50:27 spectrum disorder, have normally
17:48:53:06 intelligence and normally 17:48:55:03 development.
17:48:55:15 They might not be identified as 17:48:57:00 early as for example the child
17:48:58:27 who is nonverbal. 17:49:00:06 It might only be when they enter
17:49:02:18 into the school system they 17:49:03:21 start to exhibit the signs of
17:49:05:12 social communication deficits, 17:49:07:21 commis the core deficit these
17:49:10:09 individuals have. 17:49:11:21 >> Indeed, is it similar to
17:49:13:06 autism in that there's fixation, 17:49:15:15 repetitive behavior, or is it
a 17:49:17:24 little bit different?
17:49:19:06 >> They can certainly have 17:49:20:27 fixated behavior.
17:49:22:12 But as Raun has mentioned, 17:49:25:03 because these children don't
17:49:26:06 have cognitive impairment or 17:49:28:00 language delays, it is very
17:49:30:21 difficult to note their 17:49:34:03 struggle.
17:49:34:24 It really isn't until you put 17:49:36:18 them in a social situation,
17:49:39:12 which our schools offer, that 17:49:41:00 that we can pick up on some of
17:49:43:06 the defining struggles of these 17:49:45:15 kids.
17:49:46:00 >> That is true? 17:49:47:00 So basically kind of a lonely
I 17:49:49:12 would imagine child in general,
17:49:51:21 put him in a crowd, a classroom, 17:49:53:21 maybe the warning flags start
to 17:49:55:24 show?
17:49:57:00 >> That's exactly right. 17:49:58:21 So the primary deficit is the
17:50:00:03 social communication challenges, 17:50:02:15 difficulty with reading social
17:50:05:00 are cues, sometimes having 17:50:09:15 unusual language, as well.
17:50:10:27 In addition, the restrictive and 17:50:14:06 repetitive behaviors are often
17:50:16:06 seen, as well. 17:50:17:00 Put them in a situation where
17:50:18:15 they have to learn in a group 17:50:19:24 context, children are divided
up 17:50:22:00 and say you work in this team
17:50:23:12 and you work in that team. 17:50:25:06 For the first time they might
17:50:26:21 have really difficulty in 17:50:28:00 adopting for example another
17:50:30:00 kid's perspective. 17:50:31:00 Yes, that's correct, we can
17:50:32:15 learn from that and include 17:50:33:18 that.
17:50:34:09 Often these children might be 17:50:36:06 more restricted in terms of
17:50:37:21 their social awareness and might 17:50:40:00 want their way or not at all
17:50:41:15 that. 17:50:41:21 Way they can become isolatery.
17:50:46:24 >> What are teachers being told 17:50:48:15 on these fortune-tellers when
17:50:50:06 they see a child and think, I 17:50:52:09 think that child might be under
17:50:54:27 this particular umbrella. 17:50:56:12 >> What do they need to know?
17:50:58:24 >> One of the particular things 17:50:59:24 is the social isolationism.
17:51:05:00 We have a tape where we went to 17:51:06:27 some of the schools and looked
17:51:08:12 for, what does Asperger's look 17:51:10:06 like.
17:51:10:21 And sometimes it looks like one 17:51:12:24 child walking along the
17:51:14:15 perimeter of a play yard all 17:51:17:09 alone.
17:51:17:21 That's what it could look like. 17:51:20:06 It is that social piece, that
17:51:22:12 missing social piece that really 17:51:25:03 determines the struggle of the
17:51:27:12 child. 17:51:28:15 These kids really have such a
17:51:30:18 difficult time, want to make a 17:51:33:15 friend.
17:51:34:09 And very earnestly are trying to
17:51:37:09 but don't have the social 17:51:39:09 language and the social
17:51:40:21 expertise that the rest of us 17:51:42:15 seem to just glean naturally.
17:51:46:03 >> Please, please. 17:51:47:00 >> I think to take a step back
17:51:49:18 from that, the first job of a 17:51:51:09 teacher, we think it's the first
17:51:53:18 job of schools to screen all 17:51:55:24 children who are attending these
17:51:57:09 schools using a generic 17:51:59:27 screening from the newsroom
17:52:00:27 Asperger's disorder and that's 17:52:02:18 exactly what the "Think
17:52:03:03 Asperger's" program is. 17:52:04:12 And to provide that screening
17:52:06:06 opportunity to every single 17:52:08:24 child.
17:52:09:00 We think that schoolteachers 17:52:11:21 should be utilizing our program
17:52:16:06 which has been standardized and 17:52:18:00 evaluate through a screening
17:52:19:03 process to determine which 17:52:20:24 children might be at risk for
17:52:22:03 Asperger's disorder many that's 17:52:23:03 the primary role we feel for
17:52:26:06 teachers. 17:52:26:24 >> But again, I'm trying to put
17:52:28:18 myself into the position of a 17:52:30:03 teacher.
17:52:30:21 I've got the paper, the 17:52:32:00 fortune-teller.
17:52:33:15 I think I recognize it, I think 17:52:35:21 I've made a discovery, I'm
17:52:38:00 pretty positive on this. 17:52:39:00 What do I do?
17:52:40:15 >> Well there are a couple of 17:52:41:21 things to do.
17:52:42:27 First of all, on the chatterbox 17:52:45:24 our website, you can contact the
17:52:48:03 website, contact directly, as 17:52:51:21 well.
17:52:52:03 You can speak to the school 17:52:54:03 psychologist and say we have
17:52:55:18 concerns about this particular 17:52:57:03 child.
17:52:57:12 We don't think they are really 17:53:00:00 socially interacting with other
17:53:02:06 children, they are not 17:53:03:18 communicating effectively, there
17:53:04:24 are some unusual behaviors, can 17:53:06:24 you come and take a look.
17:53:08:27 It's an overall program, we can 17:53:10:27 actually perform that function
17:53:12:12 for the school. 17:53:13:00 Typically the teacher would then
17:53:14:15 go to the school psychologist. 17:53:17:03 >> Again, for teachers, I want
17:53:18:18 to get group activity, all 17:53:20:06 around the same table, I want
17:53:21:21 them interacting and 17:53:23:27 communicating.
17:53:24:06 But the one kid or these couple 17:53:25:27 of kids here, they may have
17:53:28:00 Asperger's. 17:53:29:03 How do you keep them from being
17:53:30:21 isolated when it seems they want 17:53:33:03 to be -- or they end up being
17:53:35:03 isolated. 17:53:36:03 >> I think at that point when
17:53:37:12 you do notice the difficulty, 17:53:40:12 you would then refer to serc and
17:53:45:21 possibly speak to the parents of
17:53:47:06 course. 17:53:47:21 And look to a professional
17:53:49:12 evaluation of your child. 17:53:51:03 And through that we have the
17:53:55:00 program, "Think Asperger's." 17:53:56:03 Through that program we offer
17:53:57:21 intervention therapies for these 17:53:59:24 children.
17:54:00:06 >> It might be pretty easy. 17:54:02:03 It might be as simple as going
17:54:04:21 up to Johnny, one of the leaders 17:54:07:03 of the class and saying, Janey
17:54:09:06 does not do that well on the 17:54:10:27 playground.
17:54:11:06 I would like to you be her 17:54:12:18 partner on the playground to
17:54:14:03 make sure she's introduced to 17:54:15:21 the other kids, that you stand
17:54:17:00 by her. 17:54:17:24 That kind of peer counseling,
17:54:20:06 peer tutoring is enormously 17:54:23:09 effective.
17:54:24:15 That wait child is in the 17:54:25:27 greatlied with the other
17:54:26:12 children more effectively. 17:54:28:00 They feel part of the act and
17:54:29:24 part of the show and hopefully 17:54:31:00 learn from the experience.
17:54:31:27 But there might be more formal 17:54:34:21 interventions to do, as well.
17:54:37:00 >> Good luck with the campaign, 17:54:38:03 sounds like a good one.
17:54:39:24 >> Thank you very much. 17:54:41:18 >> Thank you.
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