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salameh flown award-winning journalist perhaps an author
he recently released the terror
or factory inside the f_b_i_'s manufactured war on terrorism trevor
welcome to the program
they cabinet assoc trevert now this came out of a series of uh...
pieces you wrote for mother jones your book did and
you know this is something that
assembly
the bush years and and and and and perhaps also
early into the
obama administration
uh... with
was quite clear that we are hearing sort of like a series of stories
tax that will supported
that upon closer scrutiny seemed
last incompetent as she said hey guess is really the best way to put that i
mean at the one that sticks out my mind was the uh... but it was a
accrue folks it down a florida who were prepared to take over the u_s_
government they just needed boots in uniform
um...
decipher member that correctly senate and is
um... e apparently it somewhat indicative
of what the f_b_i_ has been doing just laid out
what you have found it in your reporting
right there you go back about the the taken for a look at that would have done
at the liberty city seventy
and that that indicate that that first alerted me to go to what's happening at
lok
really one of the first cases found that the f_b_i_ used
speaking tactic in an apparent pancake
uh... enacted i happen to be a reporter down in miami
and i was there when they are not the charges
which with intel's uh... on the faith you know but i think very ridiculous but
with that the f_b_i_ accused seven men who lived in liberty city with a poor
african american and haitian american area by any
applauding a ground war against the i think government
now that the fed and i cant effectively applied a ground war yet through the
plot the f_b_i_ describe how they met in al-qaeda operative and al-qaeda
operatives going to
of obama fears power
and also the miami office of the f_b_i_
but i'm close inspection of that cases with clear that it wasn't all that seen
they they never had any weapon for all of the weapons would have been provided
by the government
they never knew anyone from uk height of the archive operative with actually
a feed f_b_i_ informant
and they'd really never had any means or opportunity for committing their crimes
were it not for the the f_b_i_ providing everything that they needed
and uh... and
you know what papa came out with that these men were
we're pretty much idiot you know one man the leader of many but not kill the
peace described how he had hoped the bomb the fears power and if it ballad
such a way it without at lake michigan and causes tanabe that would rather city
of chicago uh... obviously that
patently ridiculous but it's also indicative of
of many people who are part of the in operation
and two of my research o tried to deal with look at every terrorism prosecution
that come out of u_s_ court in a decade after nine eleven and try to figure out
how many involved really dangerous people and how many involved people like
the liberty city seven who were not for the f_b_i_ would never been able to
commit their crimes
and and what i found i think with with pretty striking which was that
in a decade after nine eleven there are a handful of cases involving truly
dangerous people uh... pfizer dot for example delivered up on the crime square
or not people about the tribe uh... dot that they probably your pickup with the
fam but you have the underwear bomber in the shoe bomber but except for about
five defendants the rest of the cases involve people who are caught in sting
operation that were it not for the f_b_i_ never would have been able to
afford a terrorist plot and in a decade after nine eleven hundred fifty people
were indicted and convicted who are like the liberty city seven who were it not
for the f_b_i_
never could have committed their crimes and for the most part b four people
on the fringe of the muslim communities mentally ill economically desperate
and even manipulated by f_b_i_ informant for undercover agent
okay well arts let's back up a little bit here
i wanna talk about the development uh... this
uh...
this status and low
words uh... rooting out
potential terror
and you've written that is you're right that it did it is essentially emanated
outta
the f_b_i_'s
movie into sort of street crime fighting
when it comes to keep the drugs
that's right you know if i think the everyone in that movie
where you know you have a copy looking undercover f_b_i_ agent in a
at hotel room and he's got a briefcase then
and two guys come in and day
they wanna buy that ticket because they believe that the plane and pride in
they hand over the cash in
the f_b_i_ to hand over the
the pre-k fan when the two men open-end fund empty f_b_i_ agent storm can enter
a correct them for conspiracy to purchased *** or whatever the drug
other with allegedly in the pre-k flippin uh... and if you look all the
new job but bennett
they've been used for decades
and what we see in paris and paying for the evolution of that tactic which is
that
instead of the empty briefcase
in inner bomb it's it something that the defendant believe that's going to
detonate or explode upon his action but when it that then f_b_i_ agents storm
and and and make their bat
uh... know the reason i'm critical of terror contained in a way that i'm not
critical drug gangs
that in united faith
tons of drugs available for pepper purchase from salem epic no one would
dispute that answer when the f_b_i_
and providing the means
an opportunity for someone to purchase drugs
they wouldn't be able to purchase
drug cartel drugs to someone else
we're not for the f_b_i_ providing the opportunity
parenting they're very different because it there's never been a case where you
have this kind of loan idiot who for whatever reason want but what about the
violence but
but doesn't have the means doesn't have the opportunity
but it's not contact with terrorists
who turned the corner
and there's nothing but not quite at agent is that pay you one upped two men
act of terrorism
i can provide the bomb um what's happening in the think it is that the
f_b_i_ is the only one providing the need for the opportunity
for these cases
and the really finding people who uh... nargis
incapable on their own of committing an act of terror the many are mentally ill
others economically desperate
and it is evenly
even targets low hanging fruit to manipulate in these kind of thing
operation
well obtain time the f_b_i_ really haven't finding
the truly dangerous people before they strike like the boston marathon bomber
for example
instead of finding the people who
uh... are kind of tuckers were easily drawn into the
terrorism sting operations and that allows for the f_b_i_ but very
convenient way of paying
hey look at a we're keeping you think you know the truth is that
that a lot of money to be spent on kind of terrible man
and not medicare is going around anti terrorism sting operation for a way for
the bein a bureaucratic way to stay
you know look it up measure our success
beat of the number of arrests we've made just like any long for page of the
measure to protect the rest
but the problem is that
the evident indicates clearly showed that were not for the f_b_i_ provide a
minivan opportunity
the men would have never lifted the on the fringes
uh... the position of their families and communities than and never would've
incapable of committing even minor crimes let alone these grand background
octave stereogum involving
weapons that even if it if the kid come organizational have difficulty obtaining