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WELCOME TO "INTERCHANGE."
I'M DAN JONES.
THANKS SO VERY MUCH FOR JOINING
US.
GOOD STUFF TO TALK ABOUT TODAY.
THE RECOVERY OF THE MULTIMILLION
DOLLAR STRADIVARIUS VIOLENCE AND
THE GUYS WHO TOOK IT.
LET ME INTRODUCE EVERYONE.
LONGTIME NEWSPAPER COLUMNIST
JOEL MCNALLY.
KEVIN FISCHER, FORMER BROADCAST
JOURNALIST, POLITICAL ANALYST,
AND OFTENTIMES A FILL-IN HOST
OVER ON WISN TALK RADIO.
DENISE CALLAWAY, COMMUNITY
AFFAIRS AND PUBLIC RELATIONS
PROFESSIONAL.
AND RICK HOROWITZ WILL BE ALONG
WITH COMMENTARY AT THE END OF
THE SHOW.
LET'S ABOUT THE RECOVERY BY THE
MILWAUKEE POLICE FOR THE
MULTIMILLION DOLLAR STRADIVARIUS
VIOLIN.
LAST WEEK, WE WERE SPECULATING
WHETHER THIS WAS AN
INTERNATIONAL CRIME OR A BRAZEN
ACT BY A COUPLE OF LOCAL IDIOTS.
ALL IN ALL, GREAT WORK BY THE
MILWAUKEE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND
THE F.B.I., WOULD YOU AGREE?
>> YES, BUT THEY HAD HELP AND AS
I STATED ON THE PROGRAM LAST
WEEK, THEY'RE STUPID, MOST OF
THEM ARE.
THEY'RE NOT REAL SOPHISTICATED
AND THAT THIS WOULDN'T TAKE REAL
LONG AND IT DIDN'T.
WAS IT THE F.B.I. THAT CAME UP
WITH THIS CONNECTION WITH THE
TASER, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT
SAID THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO
TRACE --
>> I LAY LAW ENFORCEMENT KNOWS
ABOUT THAT.
WE DON'T, BUT THEY DO.
>> THE CONFETTI RESIDUE.
OK, SO THEY GET CREDIT FOR THAT.
BUT THE MILWAUKEE POLICE
DEPARTMENT AND POLICE WILL
ALWAYS TELL YOU, THEY REALLY
RELY ON COOPERATION FROM THE
CITIZEN TREMENDOUS.
WELL, THEY -- CITIZENRY, BECAUSE
THEY GOT IT, BECAUSE THE ONE
YAHOO WAS BRAGGING ABOUT IT WHEN
HE WAS GETTING HIS HAIRCUT AND
HE WENT TO THE POLICE AND THEY
GOT THEM ON THE TRAIL.
LET'S NOT PIN MEDALS ON LAW
ENFORCEMENT, THEY SOLVED IT BUT
HAD SOME HELP.
ED FLYNN CANNOT TAKE TOTAL
COMPLIMENTS OR WHAT HAVE YOU FOR
THIS.
I KNOW HE WOULD LIKE TO.
THE VIOLINIST IS GOING TO GIVE A
CONCERT WITH THAT VIOLIN ON
MONDAY NIGHT.
LET'S HOPE HE HAS SOME HELP
AROUND HIM WHEN HE WALKS TO HIS
CAR.
>> DENISE, I'M NOT CRITICIZING
THE MILWAUKEE POLICE DEPARTMENT,
BUT DO YOU THINK THEY PUT THIS
MUCH TIME AND EFFORT INTO THE
REPORT OF A MISSING KID?
>> A MISSING CHILD.
I THINK THAT THEY ABSOLUTELY DO.
I THINK -- CAPITOL TO THINK THAT
BECAUSE THERE WAS MORE MEDIA
COVERAGE ABOUT THIS, THAN THERE
MIGHT BE UNFORTUNATELY IN THE
CASE OF A MISSING CHILD, THAT
THAT MEANS THAT MILWAUKEE POLICE
DEPARTMENT PUTS LESS OR MORE
ENERGY IN TO THOSE TYPES OF
CASES.
I THINK THEY DID A GREAT JOB, I
ADMIT, SOMEBODY HAS TO ROLL THE
TAPE BACK, I THOUGHT THIS LINK
WAS LAST GONE, THE LAST PLACE
SHE WOULD FIND IT WAS IN BAY
VIEW.
>> IN AN ATTIC, IN A SUITCASE.
>> BUT I GUESS IT GOES TO SHOW
THAT THAT THE REASON THERE ARE
REPEAT CRIMINALS IS BECAUSE
SOMETIMES PEOPLE AREN'T VERY
THOUGHTFUL ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE
DOING.
I THINK MPTV DID A GREAT JOB.
IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT THINGS TO
TRACK THE LEADS DOWN, TO USE THE
RESOURCES THAT YOU HAVE, TO HAVE
THE COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BY LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES THAT REALLY
ALLOWS THIS TO NOT ONLY BE
RECOVERED, FOR IT TO BE
RECOVERED RECOVERED WITH NO
SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE DONE DO IT,
FOR IT POSSIBLE PLAYED ON MONDAY
NIGHT AND TO HAVE ALL THE PEOPLE
WHO ARE INVOLVED BEHIND BARS.
I THINK IT WAS A GREAT PIECE OF
POLICE WORK AND KUDOS TO THEM.
KEVIN, THEY FOUND THE GUYS, THEY
FOUND --
>> NORMALLY, I'M THE BIGGEST
CHEERLEADER FOR THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT ON THIS PROGRAM, BUT
IF THE CRIMINAL DOESN'T SHOOT
HIS MOUTH OFF IN THE BARBERSHOP,
WHO KNOWS, WE MAY -- WE MIGHT
STILL BE LOOKING FOR THE
STRADIVARIUS.
>> LET'S NOT DIMINISH THIS HAT
ALL.
THERE WAS ALSO A $100,000 REWARD
FOR IT.
>> WHICH MAY HAVE HAD SOMETHING
TO DO WITH IT.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYONE WOULD
WANT TO FIND ANY FAULT WITH THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT.
>> LET'S JUST NOT CALL IT GREAT
POLICE WORK.
>> I THINK SOME PEOPLE COME ON
THE SHOW TO ARGUE ABOUT THINGS,
BUT WHY WOULD ANYONE QUESTION,
YOU KNOW, WITHIN DAYS OF, YOU
KNOW, THE BIGGEST CASH CRIME
THAT'S EVER BEEN COMMITTED IN
THIS COMMUNITY, THEY ARREST SOME
PEOPLE.
I MEAN -- AND I'M SURE THEY HAD
THE F.B.I. AND THEY HAD -- AND
YES, YOU KNOW, CITIZENS USUALLY
COOPERATE WITH POLICE.
THAT'S HOW THEY CLEAR MOST OF
THEIR CASES.
AND YOU KNOW, SORT OF THIS, ONE
OF THE SUGGESTIONS TO YOUR
QUESTION IS, WELL, IT WAS
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OF
CONCERN TO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF
THE ELITE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND
YOU KNOW, IT'S WORTH $5 MILLION
OR $6 MILLION AND WE ALWAYS PAY
MORE ATTENTION TO, YOU KNOW,
CRIMES THAT AFFECT, YOU KNOW,
VERY -- THE ELITE IN OUR
COMMUNITY.
WELL, YOU KNOW, A GOOD FRIEND OF
MINE, IN FACT, HER SON WAS
MURDERED IN THIS COMMUNITY.
AND YOU KNOW, THE VERY FIRST
TIME THE POLICE TALKED TO THEM,
THEY SAID WE'RE GOING TO SOLVE
THIS, AND THEY SAID, AND THE
PHRASE THEY USED WAS THE STREETS
TALK.
AND IF THE PEOPLE ARE IN THE
COMMUNITY, THAT DID IT, KEVIN IS
RIGHT TO SOME EXTENT, AND BY THE
WAY, THEY DID SOLVE THAT CASE AN
THEY SOLVED IT PRETTY QUICKLY.
>> IN HOMICIDES, THEY HAVE AN
INCREDIBLY HIGH RATE.
90%.
>> I THINK THEY DESERVE ALL
KINDS OF PRAISE.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD THE
F.B.I., YOU KNOW, HAS AN ART
CRIMES DIVISION, YOU KNOW, THEY
USED TO, YOU KNOW, MOSTLY BE
HARASSING ANTI-WAR DEMONSTRATORS
OR PEOPLE THAT WERE IN FAVOR OF
CIVIL RIGHTS, YOU KNOW, AND
THEY'RE ACTUALLY -- THEY HAVE
SOME USEFUL SKILLS TO BRING IN
THIS SITUATION, AND I THINK
EVERYONE INVOLVED DESERVES
PRAISE.
>> THE ACLU AND FOUR GAY COUPLES
HAVE FILED A LAWSUIT IN FEDERAL
COURT CHALLENGING THE LEGALITY
OF WISCONSIN'S 7-YEAR-OLD
CONSTITUTIONAL BAN ON SAME-SEX
MARRIAGE.
VOTERS OVERWHELMINGLY SAID A FEW
YEARS AGO THAT IN WISCONSIN,
THEY WANT MARRIAGE CLEARLY
DEFINED AS SOMETHING BETWEEN A
MAN AND A WOMAN.
BUT IN MANY PARTS OF THE
COUNTRY, THESE LAWS ARE BEING
BOTH CHALLENGED AND CHANGED.
DENISE, DO YOU THINK THAT'S A
GOOD THING OR NOT?
>> I DO.
I THINK THAT IF WE TAKE A LOOK
AT WHAT PEOPLE IN WISCONSIN,
PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY, THOUGHT
SEVEN YEARS AGO, ABOUT THE IDEA
OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, THEY WERE
AGAINST IT.
BUT I THINK WHAT HAS HAPPENED,
WHAT OFTEN HAPPENS IS PEOPLE, AS
SITUATIONS DEVELOP AND PEOPLE
HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, ACTUALLY
LEARN MORE, AND BETTER
UNDERSTAND THE IMPACTS OF THESE
TYPES OF LAWS, PEOPLE FIND THAT
IT'S NOT AS BIG OF A DEAL AS
THEY WERE LED TO BELIEVE OR AS
THEY PERHAPS BELIEVED EARLIER,
SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING.
I DON'T THINK THAT IN WISCONSIN,
WE WANT TO BE IN A POSITION
WHERE, IF YOU HAVE A COUPLE
THAT'S COMMITTED TO EACH OTHER,
AND THEY WANT TO MAKE THAT
COMMITMENT TO EACH OTHER, OR
SOMEONE ONCE SAID TO ME, THERE'S
NO REASON THAT SAME-SEX COUPLES
SHOULDN'T BE AS MISERABLE AS
HETEROSEXUAL COUPLES THAT CAN
GET MARRIED, BUT IN ALL
SERIOUSNESS, IT IS A CIVIL
RIGHT, AND I DO THINK THAT THESE
COUPLES ARE DOING THE RIGHT
THING WITH CHALLENGING THIS LAW,
I THINK AS WE TAKE A LOOK AT
POLLS THAT COME OUT, EVEN IN
THIS STATE, ABOUT HOW PEOPLE
FEEL ABOUT THE IDEA OF SAME-SEX
MARRIAGE, THOSE IDEAS ARE
CHANGES AS WELL.
SO I THINK THAT IT IS
APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO DO THIS,
THE TIMES HAVE CHANGED, PEOPLE'S
ATTITUDES HAVE CHANGED.
YOU KNOW, NOT THAT MANY YEARS
AGO, WITHIN OUR LIFETIME, OR MY
LIFETIME ANYWAY, IT WAS ILLEGAL
FOR AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND
CAUCASIANS TO MARRY.
IF WE SAID THAT TO PEOPLE TODAY,
MOST PEOPLE WOULD FIND THAT WAS
SOMETHING THAT WAS RIDICULOUS
AND WHY SHOULD THAT LAW EXIST
AND I THINK THAT OVER A
PROGRESSION OF TIME AND
UNDERSTANDING, THAT WE'RE COMING
TO SOME OF THOSE SAME DECISIONS
ABOUT SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.
PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE STATE OF
WISCONSIN SHOULD NOT -- A PLACE
WHERE THEY LIVE, THEY WORK, THEY
PAY PROPERTY TAXES, THEY SHOULD
NOT HAVE TO LEAVE THIS STATE TO
PARENT-TEACHER SOMEONE THEY LOVE
JUST BECAUSE THAT PERSON IS OF
THE SAME-SEX.
>> SHOULD WE MAKE THIS A FEDERAL
MATTER RATHER THAN LET EVERY
SINGLE STATE DECIDE WHAT THEY
WANT IN THAT STATE?
>> I THINK IT SHOULD BE LEFT TO
THE STATES, BECAUSE IT IS THE
STATES -- IT'S A SOCIAL ISSUE,
IT'S ALSO A STATES RIGHTS ISSUE.
AND WE CAN'T, NO MATTER HOW WE
FEEL ABOUT THIS AND I WILL ADMIT
THAT THERE HAS BEEN A PUBLIC
SHIFT, GENERALLY SPEAKING, ON
THIS MALT TERRITORIAL DISPUTES,
YOU CANNOT NEGATE WHAT'S ON THE
RECORD, YOUR CANNOT NEGATE THE
VOTE THAT WAS TAKEN WITH A
RATHER LARGE MAJORITY OF
WISCONSINITES SAYING THAT THEY
WANT MARRIAGE DEFINED IN A
CERTAIN WAY.
IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE
STATE'S CONSTITUTION, THERE IS A
PROCESS IN PLACE TO DO THAT.
IT WOULD TAKE SEVERAL YEARS, BUT
THERE IS A PROCESS, YOU HAVE TO
CONVINCE BOTH HOUSES OF THE
STATE LEGISLATURE TO PASS A
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT IN TWO
CONSECUTIVE SESSIONS OF THE
LEGISLATURE, AND THEN HAVE IT GO
BACK TO THE VOTERS, AND THEN WE
CAN SEE JUST HOW MUCH CHANGE
THERE IS, IF THE MAJORITY OF
PEOPLE IN WISCONSIN FAVOR
SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.
THAT'S THE PROCESS IN PLACE,
THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT SHOULD
BE USED, AND UNTIL THE
CONSTITUTION IS AMENDED, THEN WE
MUST UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION AS
IT NOW STANDS.
>> SHOULD WE LIVE IN WISCONSIN
THE WAY THAT THE PEOPLE IN
WISCONSIN SAY THEY WANT US TO
LIVE?
>> WELL, IF YOU DID, RIGHT NOW,
YOU WOULD APPROVE OF SAME-SEX
MARRIAGE, BECAUSE PEOPLE IN
WISCONSIN, ACCORDING TO POLLS
RIGHT NOW, SAY THEY FAVOR
MARRIAGE EQUALITY.
YOU KNOW, MAKING THIS VOTE SEVEN
YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE
END ALL OF THIS DISCUSSION, TO
ME IS ABSURD.
I REMEMBER THAT VOTE SEVEN YEARS
AGO.
I REMEMBER, IT WAS ENGINEERED ON
THE BALLOT, MAINLY BECAUSE JIM
DOYLE WAS RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR
AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THOUGHT
IF THEY PUT THAT ON THE BALLOT,
IN THAT ELECTION, IT WOULD BRING
OUT A LOT OF HATERS, A LOT OF
RIGHT WINGERS, AND THAT
THEREFORE, THEY COULD DEFEAT JIM
DOYLE IN THAT ELECTION.
IT DIDN'T WORK, JIM DOYLE GOT
REELECTED AND THE SAME YEAR THAT
WISCONSIN PASSED THAT IN THEIR
BALLOT, A LOT OF OTHER STATES
ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAD IT ON
THEIR BALLOT, BECAUSE KARL ROVE
PROMOTED THESE STATE ELECTIONS
THAT WOULD INCLUDE SAME-SEX
MARRIAGE ON THE BALLOT TO BRING
OUT THE RIGHT WING VOTE.
AND YOU KNOW, AS A MATTER OF
FACT, BY I THINK AN EVEN LARGER
MARGIN, IN VIRGINIA, AN EVEN
LARGER MARGIN VOTED AGAINST
SAME-SEX MARRIAGE AND THERE'S
NOW A LAWSUIT IN VIRGINIA AND
BOTH THE GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA
AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF
VIRGINIA REFUSE TO EVEN GO TO
COURT TO DEFEND THAT VOTE
BECAUSE THEY SAY IT'S CLEARLY
UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW
IS A FEDERAL RIGHT, AND THE U.S.
SUPREME COURT IS PRETTY MUCH
SAID THAT SAME CONTINUING.
THEY LEFT THE INDIVIDUAL VOTES
UP TO THE STATE, YES, BUT NOW,
ALMOST HALF OF THE STATES IN
THIS COUNTRY ARE SOON GOING TO
APPROVE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.
>> THAT'S WHY IT SHOULD BE LEFT
UP TO THE STATES TO DECIDE.
>> AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT
SHOULDN'T BE.
EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW
MEANS EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE
LAW.
IT SHOULDN'T DEPEND WHERE YOU
LIVE WHETHER YOU GET EQUAL
PROTECTION AND WHETHER YOUR
RIGHTS ARE UPHELD.
THAT IS WHY THIS SHOULD HAVE
NEVER BEEN PUT IN A
CONSTITUTION.
IT WAS AN UGLY, UGLY VOTE THAT
DID THAT.
AND IT --
>> NO.
HERE'S WHAT'S DISTURBING ABOUT
THIS.
>> WHAT'S DISTURBING IS YOUR
ATTITUDE.
>> IS THAT WHENEVER LIBERALS
DON'T LIKE THE -- WHAT IS
EXERCISED BY THE WILL OF THE
PEOPLE, THEY TAKE A PLAY OUT OF
THEIR PLAYBOOK AND THAT'S TO RUN
TO THE COURTS.
>> BUT --
>> PEOPLE ARE VOTING --
>> THE STATE OF WISCONSIN, WHERE
60% OF THE PEOPLE VOTED THAT
THEY BELIEVE THAT MARRIAGE
SHOULD BE DEFINED IN A CERTAIN
WAY.
IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE HATERS,
IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE
PEOPLE.
IT IS BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN
THE -- IN THE LONG TRADITION OF
THAT DEFINITION.
>> IF YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU JUST
SAID --
>> I THINK IF YOU WENT BACK AND
PUT IT TO THE POLLS, TO VOTERS,
THAT YOU WOULD SEE THAT GO FROM
60% TO UNDER 50%.
I REALLY DON'T BELIEVE THAT.
>> IN TERMS OF THE FACT THAT THE
LAW IS THE LAW IS THE LAW IS THE
LAW.
>> UNTIL YOU CHANGE IT.
>> BUT IF YOU -- IF YOU FIND
THAT THERE IS A LAW THAT IS
UNJUST --
>> THAT YOU DON'T LIKE.
>> NO, IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF
WHETHER OR NOT YOU DON'T LIKE
IT.
IT IS A LAW THAT IS UNJUST.
>> IT'S WHETHER IT'S UNEQUAL
TREATMENT.
>> BUT KEVIN, IT IS NOT SIMPLY A
QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU
LIKE SOMETHING OR YOU DON'T LIKE
IT.
IT'S WHETHER OR NOT A LAW IS
UNJUST.
TO USE YOUR LINE OF REASONING,
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ABSOLUTELY
WRONG FOR MARTIN LUTHER KING AND
FOR PROTESTERS IN THE SOUL,
DON'T SHAKE YOUR HEAD, BECAUSE
IT IS THE SAME THING, BECAUSE IT
IS A CIVIL RIGHT.
IT'S ABOUT A CIVIL RIGHT.
USING YOUR LAW, IT WAS WRONG FOR
DR. KING, IT WAS WRONG FOR
PROTESTERS TO PROTEST INEQUITIES
AND UNFAIRNESS IN THE SOUTH.
>> NO, NO.
>> -- RIGHT TO TURN THE HOSES
AND DOGS ON CHILDREN IN THE
STATE OF ALABAMA BECAUSE IT --
>> LET ME BRING UP THE OTHER
PART OF THE LAWSUIT.
THE OTHER PART OF THE LAWSUIT,
WHICH IS THAT THE ACLU IN THESE
LAWSUITS IS ALSO CHALLENGING THE
PART OF THE LAW THAT SAYS, NOW
THAT ABOUT HALF THE STATES HAVE
LEGALIZED SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, IF
YOU LEAVE THE STATE TO GET
MARRIED IN ANOTHER STATE, YOU
CAN ACTUALLY BE IMPRISONED AND
FINED IN THIS STATE FOR GETTING
MARRIED IN ANOTHER STATE.
THAT IS JUST OUTRAGEOUS AND I'M
SURPRISED YOU'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF
TAKING THAT OFF THE BOOKS.
>> WELL, THEN GET A STATE
LAWMAKER TO INTRODUCE A
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT AND
WORK, IF YOU'RE SO RIGHT ON
THIS, AND THAT ALL -- THERE'S
BEEN THIS TIDAL WAVE OF SHIFT OF
OPINION, THEN WORK TO CHANGE THE
WISCONSIN CONSTITUTION THE WAY
THE LAW BOOKS SAYS YOU SHOULD.
>> HATERS WILL PREVAIL.
>> THE WISCONSIN PRO-LIFE
MOVEMENT SENT OUT A MESSAGE THE
OTHER DAY THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE
ANTI-ABORTION SHOULD THINK TWICE
BEFORE BUYING GIRL SCOUT
COOKIES.
THEY SAY THE NATIONAL GIRL
SCOUTS ORGANIZATION IS TOO CLOSE
TO PRO-CHOICE GROUPS LIKE
PLANNED PARENTHOOD.
IS IT WEIRD TO THINK THAT NOW
EVEN SOMETHING WE THOUGHT WAS SO
INNOCENT SUCH AS GIRL SCOUT
COOKIES SALES IS POLITICIZED AND
POLARIZING?
>> OH, BOY.
YEAH, I MEAN, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW
THE RIGHT WING KNEW, YOU KNOW,
COULD FIND THESE KINDS OF DEMONS
AROUND.
YOU KNOW, THESE EVIL GIRL SCOUTS
TRYING TO SELL THEIR COOKIES.
YOU KNOW -- ANOTHER THING, IT'S
KIND OF, I THINK IRONIC, THAT
APPARENTLY THIS WHOLE MOVEMENT
AGAINST THE GIRL SCOUTS IS
COMING OUT OF TEXAS AS A
PRO-LIFE, YOU KNOW, ISSUE.
TEXAS, WHICH IS ONE OF THE MOST
ANTI-LIFE STATES IN THIS UNION,
YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS MURDERS AND
EXECUTIONS, AND THERE IS -- THE
GIRL SCOUTS IS NOT A POLITICAL
ORGANIZATION.
AND THERE ABSOLUTELY IS NO
CONNECTION BETWEEN PLANNED
PARENTHOOD OR FREEDOM OF CHOICE
FOR WOMEN.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVEN'T EVEN
SHOWN A CONNECTION.
THEY CITED SOME WEB SITE WHERE
SOME, YOU KNOW, THE GIRL SCOUTS
WERE ACTUALLY SUGGESTING THAT
PEOPLE COULD SUGGEST GREAT WOMEN
IN HISTORY, NOMINATE PEOPLE THEY
THOUGHT AND THEY REFERRED PEOPLE
TO A WEB SITE, IT WASN'T THEIRS,
WHICH NOMINATED A LOT OF GREAT
WOMEN IN HISTORY, INCLUDING
MARGARET SANGER AND PEOPLE WHO
HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN WOMEN'S
RIGHTS ISSUES, ABSOLUTELY, BUT
THE GIRL SCOUTS DON'T TAKE A
POSITION ON ABORTION, AND
NEITHER DOES THAT LITTLE GIRL
THAT COMES TO YOUR DOOR.
>> SHOULD THE ORGANIZATIONS LIKE
THE BOY SCOUTS, GIRL SCOUTS,
SUSAN KOMEN FOUNDATION, SHOULD
THEY STAY AWAY FROM POLITICS?
>> I WISH THEY WOULD.
I BEG TO DIFFER.
>> THE RADICAL GIRL SCOUTS.
>> PLEASE, PLEASE.
THE TIES THAT SOME GIRL SCOUT
COUNCILS ACROSS AMERICA HAVE TO
PLANNED PARENTHOOD IS WELL
DOCUMENTED.
THEY -- THEY HAVE BEEN ALLOWED
TO BRING SPEAKERS IN, TO CAMPS
AND RETREATS, AND TALK ABOUT
ABORTION AND CONTRACEPTION AND
HE CAN POLICE IT'S *** ITEMS.
NOW, I'M SORRY -- AND EXPLICIT
*** ITEMS.
IF I AM THE FATHER OF A YOUNG
GIRL SCOUT, I DON'T WANT YOUNG
INNOCENT GIRLS HEARING THAT
STUFF.
THAT STUFF SHOULD BE TAUGHT IN
THE SCHOOLS, OR DISCUSSED IN THE
HOME, BUT IT HAS NO PLACE IN THE
GIRL SCOUTS OF AMERICA.
NOW, I -- I WILL ADMIT, YOU
KNOW, I DON'T BELIEVE IN
BOYCOTTS, I BOUGHT, AS I DO
EVERY YEAR, SEVERAL BOXES OF
GIRL SCOUT COOKIES.
BUT I DON'T THINK THIS KIND OF
ISSUE IS APPROPRIATE FOR YOUNG
GIRLS TO BE EXPOSED TO IT, AND
THE GIRL SCOUTS SHOULD JUST END
IT.
>> IT IS A BUNCH OF MULARKEY.
>> IT IS NOT.
>> IT ABSOLUTELY IS.
FOR YEARS, I WAS A GIRL SCOUT
PARENT, FOR YEARS, I WAS A GIRL
SCOUT LEADER OF MY TROOP AND
THERE WAS NOTHING LIKE THIS THAT
EVER, EVER, EVER CAME FORWARD OR
HAPPENED.
>> NOT ALL GIRL SCOUT COUNCILS
DEAL WITH PLANNED PARENTHOOD,
BUT FAR TOO MANY DO.
AND WHEN PARENTS FIND OUT, HOW
DO THEY REACT?
THEY TAKE THEIR GIRLS OUT OF THE
GIRL SCOUTS BECAUSE THEY DON'T
WANT THEIR DAUGHTERS EXPOSED TO
THIS.
>> THIS HAS ONCE AGAIN AND IT
HAPPENS ON THE RIGHT SO MUCH,
THAT IT IS A LITTLE TINY HALF
KARAT OR NUGGET OF TRUTH THAT
THEN BECOMES A GENERALIZATION
ABOUT GIRL SCOUTS ACROSS THE
COUNTRY.
I WONDERED JUST WHAT ARE THOSE
GIRLS DOING WHEN THEY'RE WEARING
THE GIANT COOKIES.
>> IT IS NOT FUNNY.
>> YOU SHOULD NOT CALL OUR SIDE
LIARS EVERY WEEK ON THIS
PROGRAM.
>> THE FACT OF THE MATTER HERE
IS THIS IS BLOWN UP INTO
SOMETHING THAT IS A BUNCH OF
MULARKEY.
>> IT IS NOT BLOWN UP WHEN
THEY'RE TALKING TO 6, 7, 8, 9,
12-YEAR-OLDS ABOUT ABORTION AND
CAN'T EXCEPTION AND EXPLICIT
*** STUFF.
THEY SHOULD NOT BE EXPOSED TO
THAT STUFF.
>> HOW MANY OTHER PHONY STORIES
DOES THE RIGHT HAVE TO MAKE UP
TO JUSTIFY THE ABSURD --
>> THE TILES THE GIRL SCOUTS --
TIES THE GIRL SCOUTS HAVE TO
PLANNED PARENTHOOD, INCLUDING
SHIPPING SOME OF THEIR RESOURCES
TO THAT GROUP ARE WELL
DOCUMENTED.
>> -- RIGHT WING WEBSITES ARE
MADE UP.
>> NEXT TOPIC.
>> LET'S SPEND A FEW MINUTES TO
TALK ABOUT THE DECISION BY
DRUGSTORE GIANT CVS TO STOP
SELLING CIGARETTES AS IT TRIES
TO POSITION ITSELF AS MORE OF A
HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.
GRANTED, MOST PEOPLE BUY THEIR
CIGARETTES AT GAS STATIONS AND
CONVENIENCE STORES, BUT DO YOU
THINK THIS IS ONE BIG STEP
CLOSER TO CIGARETTES BECOMING
LESS AND LESS SOCIALLY
ACCEPTABLE?
KEEPING IN MIND THAT IT'S STILL
A LEGAL PROCESS?
>> THEY ARE LESS AND LESS
SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE AND THE FACT
THAT SOMETHING IS LEGAL DOESN'T
MEAN WE HAVE TO APPROVE OF IT,
OR THAT WE HAVE TO SELL IT, OR
THAT YOU KNOW, IT OUGHT TO BE,
YOU KNOW, AVAILABLE EVERYWHERE
YOU TURN.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT -- I THINK
IT'S A GREAT THING AND I HOPE
WALGREEN'S FOLLOWS AND I HOPE
MANY OTHER CHAIN STORES ACROSS
THE COUNTRY FOLLOW IT.
IT CAN ONLY IMPROVE THE HEALTH
OF THE COUNTRY.
IT'S FUNNY ENOUGH, YOU KNOW,
BECAUSE OF THE LAST
CONVERSATION, WHEN I WAS GROWING
UP, THE ONLY PLACE YOU COULD BUY
CONDOMS WERE IN GAS STATIONS.
NOW I CAN WALK IF WALL GREEN AND
BUY THEM, OK, AND THAT'S A GOOD
THING IN THE OTHER DIRECTION,
THAT SOMETHING IS -- GIRL SCOUTS
DON'T GET TO SELL THEM DOOR TO
DOOR, BUT IN FACT, THAT'S A GOOD
THING.
SOMETHING THAT WE NEED,
INCLUDING YOUNG GIRLS BY THE
WAY, TO AVOID PREGNANCY, THAT
SHOULD BE READILY AVAILABLE.
CIGARETTES, SOMETHING THAT KILLS
YOU, KILLS OTHER PEOPLE WHO
DON'T SMOKE WITH SECONDHAND
SMOKE, THAT'S NOT SO IMPORTANT
TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOLD WIDELY.
SO I HAVE TO PROBLEM WITH IT.
>> DOES IT MAKE SENSE, OK, YOU
WON'T BE ABLE TO GET A PACK OF
CIGARETTES AT CVS, BUT YOU CAN
STILL GO GRAB A BOTTLE OF ***?
>> I THINK CVS IS SMART, THEY'RE
A NATION CHAIN, THEY FIGURED OUT
HOW TO SELL THEIR PRODUCT AND
HOW TO MAKE MONEY.
I'M SURE THEY HAVE BEEN VERY,
VERY DELIBERATE, AND TAKING A
LOOK AT WHAT THEIR LOSS IS GOING
TO BE, THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS
ACT THAT'S GOING TO BE A COUPLE
BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, BUT I
THINK THEY'RE TAKING A LOOK AT
WHAT THE LONG-TERM OPPORTUNITY
FOR THEM IS, TO POSITION
THEMSELVES IN THE MARKETPLACE.
AND THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT
THEY FEEL IS GOING TO BE NOT
ONLY HEALTHIER FOR PEOPLE, WHERE
YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THIS,
WHERE MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE BIT
HARDER FOR A YOUNG PERSON WHO
SEES THOSE AND SAYS YOU KNOW
WHAT, GO AHEAD, LET ME TRY A
CIGARETTE, I'M HERE PICKING UP
POTATO CHIPS AND HOT DOGS, IN
ADDITION TO ASPIRIN AND OTHER
THINGS, I THINK IT'S ONE MORE
OCCASION WHERE IT TAKES IT OUT
OF THE MARKETPLACE AND WHERE IT
MAKES IT LESS DESIRABLE, LESS
ACCESSIBLE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE.
I THINK IT'S A FREE MARKET.
I MEAN, THEY HAVE FIGURED OUT
THERE IS A PLACE FOR THEM IN THE
MARKET, TO MAKE THIS EFFORT AND
THE FREE MARKET IS --
>> WHOA, WHOA, WHOA.
>> DOES THIS SHIFT THE SALE
SOMEWHERE ELSE?
>> YES, IT DOES.
THEY'LL GO TO WALGREEN'S OR
OTHER GAS STATIONS, AND IT
DRIVES TRAFFIC.
IT GETS SMOKERS IN THERE AND
THEN THEY BUY HOT DOGS AND THEY
BUY POTATO CHIPS AND LET'S NOT
GET ALL WARM AND FUZZY ABOUT CVS
AND THEY DID THIS FOR ALTRUISTIC
REASONS.
THEY GET THIS WONDERFUL
PUBLICITY AND GET DENISE AND
JOEL FALLING ALL OVER THEM.
THEY MADE $125 BILLION LAST
YEAR.
THIS IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET.
THIS IS ALL DONE JUST TO GET
WARM, FUZZY, POSITIVE PUBLICITY.
THEY COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THE
HEALTH OF THEIR CUSTOMERS.
>> ALL RIGHT.
WE MOVE ON.
>> WHO KNEW THAT A FEDERAL
AGENCY THAT MOSTLY DEALS WITH
NUMBERS WOULD SUDDENLY FIND
ITSELF IN THE MIDDLE OF A
BOILING CONTROVERSY OVER HEALTH
CARE AND JOBS?
IT ALL HAS RICK HOROWITZ
WONDERING IF CBO REALLY STANDS
FOR -- CONCOCT, BOGUS, OUTRAGE.
RICK?
>> READY FOR A LITTLE QUIZ?
OK.
YOU WORK AT THE FACTORY AND YOU
PLAY THE LOTTERY.
THIS WEEK, YOU WIN THE BIG
PRIZE -- HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS.
THE FIRST THING YOU DO IS CALL
YOUR BROTHER-IN-LAW, THE
ACCOUNTANT.
THE SECOND THING YOU DO IS HAND
IN YOUR RESIGNATION.
SO WOULD YOU SAY THAT POWERBALL
"DESTROYED" YOUR JOB?
THAT'S WHAT SOME REPUBLICANS
WOULD SAY.
SECOND QUESTION, YOU WORK AT THE
GROCERY.
YOU'VE GOT TWO YOUNG KIDS AT
HOME, AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE
WORKING FULL TIME JUST TO AFFORD
THE PRICE OF DAY CARE.
THEN YOUR UNCLE NED DIES AND
LEAVES YOU ENOUGH MONEY THAT YOU
CAN CUT YOUR WORK LOAD BACK TO
THREE DAYS A WEEK.
WOULD YOU CALL UNCLE NED A "JOB
KILLER"?
SOME REPUBLICANS WOULD.
LAST QUESTION.
YOU WORK ON THE LOADING DOCK.
YOU'RE ALSO A PART-TIME
INVENTOR.
YOU'VE GOT THIS GREAT IDEA THAT
COULD HELP TONS OF PEOPLE, AND
YOU'VE GOT A CHRONIC ILLNESS.
TO BRING YOUR IDEA TO MARKET,
YOU'D HAVE TO QUIT THE JOB AND
DEVOTE ALL YOUR TIME TO THE
INVENTION, BUT YOU'RE WORRIED
THAT YOU'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO BUY
NEW HEALTH INSURANCE.
THEN THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT
KICKS IN, AND THEY CAN'T TURN
YOU DOWN ANYMORE BECAUSE OF A
PREEXISTING CONDITION.
SO YOU QUIT THE LOADING DOCK AND
START TINKERING IN THE GARAGE.
WOULD YOU SAY THE AFFORDABLE
CARE ACT "FORCED" YOU FROM YOUR
JOB?
OF COURSE NOT.
BUT LOTS OF REPUBLICANS WOULD.
FLU ISN'T THE ONLY THING GOING
AROUND.
APPARENTLY WE'RE ALSO WITNESSING
A MAJOR OUTBREAK OF STUPID.
REPUBLICANS REACTING WITH TOTAL
OUTRAGE, OR SO AT THE CLAIM, TO
THIS WEEK'S REPORT FROM THE
CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE.
THAT'S RIGHT -- THE CBO ISSUES A
REPORT THAT PREDICTS THE
EMPLOYMENT EFFECTS OF MILLIONS
OF PEOPLE GETTING COVERAGE UNDER
OBAMACARE.
COVERAGE THAT, LIKE THE REST OF
THE CIVILIZED WORLD -- OR MAYBE
I SHOULD JUST SAY, LIKE THE
CIVILIZED WORLD.
COVERAGE THAT DOESN'T DEPEND ON
WHERE YOU WORK, OR HOW MANY
HOURS YOU WORK.
THAT DOESN'T COMPEL YOU TO STAY
AT THE SAME JOB FOR A LIFETIME
JUST SO YOU CAN AFFORD A CHEST
X-RAY EVERY FEW YEARS.
PEOPLE WILL HAVE MORE CHOICES,
SAYS THE CBO.
BETTER CHOICES.
SO SOME FOLKS MAY ACTUALLY
CHOOSE TO LEAVE THEIR JOBS, OR
CUT BACK ON THEIR HOURS.
MEANWHILE, OF COURSE, ALL THOSE
JOBS WILL NOW BE AVAILABLE TO
OTHER PEOPLE WHO NEED THEM.
IN ANY RATIONAL WORLD, THAT'S A
GOOD THING, NOT SOMETHING TO
RAIL AGAINST.
DID I MENTION WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT REPUBLICANS?
OBAMACARE'S DESTROYING THE
ECONOMY.
IT'S COSTING US MILLIONS OF
JOBS.
NOT EVEN CLOSE TO TRUE.
BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD CUT THEM
SOME SLACK ON THAT LATEST
"PLAYING DUMB" ACT.
SOME OF THEM MAY NOT BE PLAYING.
>> THANKS, RICK.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
JOINING US.
STAY WARM AND ENJOY THE REST OF
YOUR WEEKEND.