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IT'S INTERESTING THAT THEY WOULD
FLOAT SOMETHING SO SERIOUS.
>> YEAH.
IN THE INTERVIEW -- I'LL PUT IT
UP ON THE SCREEN, HE ALSO TOLD
YOU THIS -- HE SAID, NO ONE HAS
CREDIBLY SHOWN ANY HARM TO
NATIONAL SECURITY.
THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF ADMITTED
BOTH THAT CHANGES ARE NECESSARY
AND THAT HE IS CERTAIN THE
DEBATE MY ACTIONS STARTED WILL
MAKE US STRONGER.
ALTHOUGH THE PRESIDENT IN THAT
LONG INTERVIEW IN YOUR MAGAZINE
DID SAY THERE WAS MAJOR DAMAGE
TO NATIONAL SECURITY.
>> HE BASICALLY SAID THAT THERE
WAS MORE DAMAGE THAN GOOD THAT
CAME OUT OF IT.
BUT HE HAS, AS MR. SNOWDEN IS
SAYING, SAID THAT IT HAS
PROVOKED A DEBATE THAT HAS BEEN
USEFUL IN THIS COUNTRY.
AND WHAT SNOWDEN SAID TO ME WAS,
I'VE BROUGHT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC
TO THE TABLE.
AND HE ALSO SAID, IF IN FACT
HE'S SMEARED AND HIS REPUTATION
IS RUINED, HE SAID, IF I END UP
IN A DITCH AT THE END OF THE DAY
AND REFORM COMES OUT OF THIS, IT
WILL BE WORTH OF IT.
>> WHAT MIKE ROGERS SAYS, HE
SAYS IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE
STUFF SNOWDEN STOLE, SOME OF IT
DOES DEAL WITH THE PRIVACY
RIGHTS OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.
BUT MOST OF IT, HE SAYS, DEALS
WITH MAJOR MILITARY-RELATED
ISSUES THAT ONLY A COUNTRY LIKE
RUSSIA OR CHINA WOULD REALLY
FIND BENEFICIAL, HAD NOTHING TO
DO WITH NATIONAL SECURITY
ISSUES, IF YOU WILL, PRIVACY
ISSUES, IF YOU WILL.
DID YOU GET INTO THAT AT ALL
WITH HIM?
>> WELL, THE OTHER THING IS THAT
WE DON'T KNOW -- I'M NOT SURE
HOW HE KNOWS.
BUT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW
EVERYTHING THAT SNOWDEN TOOK.
WHAT'S BEEN RELEASED SO FAR
REALLY IS FOCUSED ON THE PRIVACY
ISSUE AND HAS OBVIOUSLY BROKEN
INTO A TREMENDOUS DEBATE ALL
AROUND THE WORLD.
>> ROGERS SAYS A LOT OF IT DEALS
WITH MILITARY HARDWARE,
SENSITIVE INFORMATION.
ANOTHER QUOTE FROM YOUR
INTERVIEW WITH SNOWDEN ABOUT HIS
OWN FATE -- AT LEAST THE
AMERICAN PUBLIC HAS A SEAT AT
THE TABLE NOW.
I END UP DISGRACED IN A DITCH
SOMEWHERE BUT IT HELPS THE
COUNTRY, IT WILL STILL BE WORTH
IT.
>> HE REALLY CASTS HIMSELF AS
KIND OF A MARTYR AND A REFORMER.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME TO
FIGURE OUT WHO HE REALLY IS.
BUT I THINK THERE IS NO EVIDENCE
THAT I KNOW OF OR THAT HAS BEEN
PRESENTED TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC
THAT HE IS A SPY OR WORKING WITH
ANOTHER COUNTRY.
HE SAYS, I'M WORKING ALONE, I
DID THIS BY MYSELF, CERTAINLY
NOT WITH ANOTHER GOVERNMENT.
>> DID HE SAID UNDER WHAT
CIRCUMSTANCES HE WOULD COME BACK
TO THE UNITED STATES?
>> YOU KNOW, I THINK HE PROBABLY
WOULD LOVE TO COME BACK IF HE