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>>> IF YOU DON'T MEAN BEING
CALLED A RADICAL --
>> YES, I DO.
>> NO, I AM A RADICAL.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'RE SO
DEFENSIVE, RUSH, WHAT IS
WRONG --
>> BECAUSE I TAKE MY BUSINESS AS
SERIOUSLY AS YOU TAKE YOURS AND
THE TERM RADICAL IMPLIES
IRRESPONSIBLE.
IT IMPLIES DANGEROUS --
>> ONLY TO YOU.
>> FROM 1990 THAT'S CROSS FIRE
WITH A YOUNG RUSH LIMBAUGH.
HE SAYS HE'S NOT BACK ON CROSS
FIRE.
HE'S TOO OLD AND TOO BORING.
INSTEAD CNN IS BRINGING BACK THE
CROSS FIRE FORMAT WITH FOUR
INCREDIBLE CO-HOSTS, VAN JONES,
STEPHANIE CUTTER, VAN JONES,
WELCOME TO YOU-ALL.
FOR THE FIRST TIME, WELCOME
CROSS FIRE.
VERY LIVELY.
LET'S GET STRAIGHT INTO THIS.
NEWT GINGRICH YOU MUST BE
ABSOLUTELY THRILLED ABOUT THE
SUPREME COURT'S DECISION TODAY.
>> I WAS THRILLED YOU'RE MISSING
THE CORE POINT THAT 8 MILLION
CALIFORNIANS VOTED A PARTICULAR
WAY.
THE GOVERNOR AND THEIR ATTORNEY
GENERAL REFUSED TO DEFEND THEM,
AND AS A RESULT, THE COURT
DIDN'T ACTUALLY DECIDE THE
SUBSTANCE OF THE CASE.
DAVID WAS CLEAR.
THE COURT SAID THERE IS NOBODY
HERE WHO IS STANDING TO DEFEND
THE CASE, THEREFORE THE CASE IS
REMITTED BECAUSE OF THAT OR
AMENDED BECAUSE OF THAT.
IT STRIKES ME THAT THE 8 MILLION
PEOPLE IN CAM CAL HAVE A REASON
TO BE AL NATED FROM WASHINGTON
THAN THEY WERE YESTERDAY.
>> LET ME ASK YOU QUICKLY BEFORE
WE GO TO THE REST OF THE PANEL,
WHY ARE YOU SO OPPOSED TO GAY
PEOPLE HAVING THE SAME RIGHTS TO
GET MARRIED AS YOU, WHY?
>> FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT OPPOSED
TO GAY PEOPLE HAVING THE RIGHT
TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP --
>> TO GET MARRIED I SAID.
>> MUCH LIKE CARDINAL, I DO
BELIEVE AS A CHRISTIAN THE MARCH
RIG BETWEEN --
>> CARDINAL DOLAN IS DESCRIBED
IT AS A TRAGEDY FOR AMERICA, A
TRAGEDY TWO LOVING PEOPLE OF THE
SAME SEX CAN GET MARRIED LIKE
YOU AND ME, THAT'S A TRAGEDY FOR
AMERICA?
>> I THINK IF YOU WANT TO REJECT
THE RIGHT OF THE CATHOLIC
BISHOP'S COLLECTIVELY, NOT JUST
HIM, TO ACTUALLY STAND UP FOR
THEIR VALUES AND YOU WANT TO SAY
THAT'S -- AND YOU WANT TO DO
THAT, THAT'S YOUR RIGHT, BUT IN
FACT, I DO BELIEVE STATES ARE
MAKING ARRANGEMENTS.
WHAT I OBJECT TO IN THIS CASE IS
VERY CLEAR CUT.
YOU HAD A 5-4 DECISION TO REJECT
8 MILLION CALIFORNIANS ON THE
GROUND THAT 8 MILLION PEOPLE
HAVE STANDING BEFORE THE SUPREME
COURT --
>> NO, I HEAR THAT.
LET'S GO TO VAN JONES, IT SEEMS
YOU WANT TO GET IN THERE.
IS THIS A TRAGEDY, VAN?
>> AS A CHRISTIAN, IF YOU'RE
CONCERNED ABOUT TRADITIONAL
MARRIAGE, KIM KARDASHIAN HAS
DONE MORE HARM TO TRADITIONAL
MARRIAGE THAN ANY GAY PERSON.
THE INSTITUTION OF MARRIAGE IS
SCREWED UP BECAUSE OF THE THE
STRAIGHT PEOPLE.
THEY ARE VIEWING UP AND
CHEATING.
THE PROBLEM WE HAVE NOW IS JUST
BECAUSE YOU PUT SOMETHING ON THE
BALLOT, IF YOU PUT IT ON THE
BALLOT IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF
1950, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THEM.
THE COURT HAS THE JOB TO PROTECT
PEOPLE.
I'M GLAD THEY DID THE JOB.
>> THIS IS STARTLING, I THINK
YOU'LL AGREE WITH VAN JONES.
>> WHEN IT COMES TO PROPERTY
EIGHT I AGREE WITH NEWT.
THAT'S A SHAME.
I'M A CONSERVATIVE WHO HAPPENS
TO SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS.
I'M A CONSERVATIVE WHO SUPPORTS
MARRIAGE.
I'M A CONSERVATIVE WHO SUPPORTS
GAY MARRIAGE.
SO ON DOMA I THINK THERE WAS A
VICTORY, BUT TO ME THE
SIGNIFICANT RULING IN DOMA
WASN'T JUST THAT THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT HAS TO ACKNOWLEDGE
THE RIGHT OF GAY PEOPLE TO MARRY
BUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS
TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE RIGHT OF THE
STATES.
AS A SMALL GOVERNMENT
CONSERVATIVE WHO SUPPORTS
FEDERAL LIST M, I THINK THIS WAS
A HUGE VICTORY FOR FEDERAL LIST
M AND IF YOU BELIEVE IN IT WITH
A C THEN YOU HAVE TO SEE THAT AS
AT LEAST A SILVER LINING.
>> STEPHANIE CUTTER, YOU'RE
PUTTING A FACE LIKE YOU'VE EATEN
A VERY, VERY BAD ONION OR YOU
DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
>> NO, NOT AN ONION.
I WAS JUST WAITING TO SPEAK.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS A SURPRISE
WHERE I STAND.
I AM VERY HAPPY ABOUT THE
SUPREME COURT'S DECISION TODAY
ON DOMA.
A LOT OF US HAVE BEEN AGAINST
DOMA FOR A LONG TIME AND
FIGHTING TO OVERTURN IT.
IN TERMS OF THE DECISION ON
CALIFORNIA, YES, 8 MILLION
PEOPLE VOTED FOR A BALLOT
INITIATIVE.
BUT AS VAN SAID, PEOPLE HAVE
VOTED BEFORE AND HAVE BEEN
WRONG.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE CHECKS AND
BALANCES IN THE GOVERNMENT.
WE HAVE THREE BRANCHS OF
GOVERNMENT AND THE COURTS
PERFORM A CHECK ON PEOPLE AND
VICE VERSA.
I THINK TODAY THERE WAS A CHECK
ON ENSURING THAT PEOPLE HAVE
EQUALITY IN CALIFORNIA.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY --
>> OKAY --
>> WHAT WE SAW IN THE BACKGROUND
OF TED AND DAVID WAS A HUGE
CELEBRATION.
PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA ARE
EMBRACING THIS.
>> YOU GOT A LOT OF HAPPY
AMERICANS ON THIS TRAGIC DAY FOR
AMERICA.
LET'S MOVE ON TO TEXAS BECAUSE
TEXAS IS FASCINATING TO ME RIGHT
NOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS
EXTRAORDINARY SCENE LAST NIGHT
WITH WENDY DAVIS DOING THIS
13-HOUR FILIBUSTER.
SHE WAS THREE HOURS SHORT.
THIS IS ACT THE FACT RICK BERRY
AND OTHERS WANT TO BRING IN
TOUGHEST ABORTION LAWS IN
AMERICA WHICH SHUT DOWN ABORTION
CLINICS IN TEXAS.
RICK PERRY SAID TEXANS VALUE
LIFE.
THAT'S WHEN HE SAID.
THIS WAS HIS ARGUMENT FOR
BRINGING IN THESE INCREDIBLE
ABORTION LAWS.
THIS IS THE SAME TEXAS THAT
TODAY CELEBRATED THE 500th
EXECUTION SINCE 1982.
>> 500.
>> AS A VALUED LIFE, IT ALSO HAS
SOME OF THE MOST LAXED GUN LAWS
THAT LED TO SOME OF THE MOST GUN
DEATHS IN AMERICA.
AGAIN, I QUESTIONED HOW FAR THIS
VALUING LIFE GOES IN TEXAS.
OVER TO YOU NEWT, EXPLAIN TO ME.
>> FIRST OF ALL, THE TOTAL
NUMBER OF EXECUTIONS YOU CITED
FOR TEXAS OVER THE YEARS IS
ABOUT THE SAME OF THE NUMBER OF
PEOPLE KILLED IN CHICAGO LAST
YEAR WITH AMONG THE MOST
RESTRICTIVE GUN LAWS IN AMERICA.
SO I THINK YOU'RE DRAPING A RED
HERRING.
THIS LAW IS BASED ON WHEN BABIES
START TO FEEL PAIN, WHICH IS A
SCIENTIFIC FACT.
BABIES AROUND 20 WEEKS CLEARLY
FEEL PAIN AND THIS IS A BILL
WHICH SAYS THAT IF THAT'S -- IF
YOU HAVE NOT HAD AN ABORTION BY
THE 20th WEEK, THAT YOU'RE NOW
PUTTING THE BABY THROUGH PAIN,
AND THAT'S WHY THEY DREW THAT
PARTICULAR LINE.
NOW YOU CAN DECIDE YOU DON'T
CARE ABOUT BABIES HAVING PAIN
AND THE WOMAN'S RIGHT OVER RIDES
THAT BUT THE BILL IS BASED ON
SCIENTIFIC STUDIES WHEN BABIES
START TO FEEL PAIN.
>> VAN?
>> YOU KNOW, PART OF THE REASON
WE WANT TO HAVE THIS SHOW CROSS
FIRE BECAUSE THE SHOW WHICH WE
HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT MUCH
WILL BE A HALF HOUR LONG AND ONE
TOP PICK AT A TIME SO WE CAN GET
DEEP INTO THIS STUFF.
I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DO FEEL
ABOUT THE BALANCE HERE BETWEEN
THE FETUS AND THE MOTHER.
THE PROBLEM YOU'VE GOT, THOUGH,
IN TEXAS IS THIS RAILROADING
GOING ON FROM THE GOVERNOR AND
THIS NEW HERO.
THIS SENATOR DAVIS HAS STOOD UP,
SHE STOOD ON HER FEET FOR 11
HOURS, 13 HOURS AND WILL BE A
FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH.
WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT EVERY ISSUE
IN DEPTH -- I WANT TO SEE PEOPLE
LIKE HER COME ON YOUR SHOW,
CROSS FIRE --
>> I'D RATHER RIGHT NOW HERE THE
REACTION OF --
>> THANK YOU.
THIS LIONIZING --
>> GREAT LEADER.
>> SUSAN B ANTHONY AND FED DRIK
DOUGLAS AND ROSA B PARKS ROLL
OVER IN THEIR GRADES WHAT IS A
HERO TODAY ARE SO SHOCKINGLY
PATHETICALLY LOW.
NOT TO MENTION DEMOCRATS USED TO
WANT ABORTIONS TO BE SAFE, LEGAL
AND RARE.
THIS BILL WOULD INTRODUCE THOSE
SAFETY PRECAUTIONS, WHICH ARE
COMMON SENSE, HEALTHY SAFETY
PRECAUTIONS.
DEMOCRATS HAVE LOST THEIR R
RATIONAL COMMON SENSE AND IT
WILL SWING BACK IN THE OTHER
DIRECTION AS THE MAJORITY OF THE
COUNTRY WHO IS IN THE MIDDLE ON
THIS ISSUE REALIZES THESE
POSITIONS ARE EXTREME.
>> IF I CAN JUST JUMP IN FOR A
SECOND --
>> LAST WORD TO YOU, MAKE IT
BRIEF, PLEASE.
>> I THINK IT'S ALREADY SWUNG
AND IT'S BEEN AGAINST
REPUBLICANS, PUTTING THESE
INITIATIVES FORWARD TO RESTRICT
WOMEN'S ABILITY TO MAKE THEIR
HEALTHCARE DECISIONS.
IF THERE IS ANY BACKLASH, IT
WILL BE AGAINST REPUBLICANS.
WE'VE ACTUALLY ALREADY SEEN THAT
IN ONE ELECTION.
THEY ARE DIGGING THE HOLE AGAIN
AND WE'LL PROBABLY SEE IT IN THE
NEXT ELECTION.
>> I WANT TO SAY HOW EXCITED I
AM ABOUT THIS CROSS FIRE COMING
BACK.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
I THINK YOUR FOUR WILL BE
FANTASTIC BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE
LIKED TO KEPT YOU ON LONGER
TONIGHT AND I CAN'T.
THAT'S A GOOD SIGN.
THAT MEANS I'LL WATCH CROSS
FIRE.
MOST PEOPLE WILL WATCH IT TO SEE
NEWT GET WOUND UP EVERY NIGHT.
THAT ALONE WILL BE WORTH THE
ENTRANCE FEE.