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so i'm mark checking with konzi pop dot com
since conductor richard kaufman
and uh... let your very business personal and i really have to go on
appear kapil men's work is never got that right
but and
if i get my fax right you are
pops conductor laureate yet so if the net for fourteen years
with chicago's you're with the chicago symphony and you're also principal pops
conductor orange county pacifica
pacific symphony
pacific suppressor
uh...
lot of responsibility so how do you fit it all and leave start what's your
schedule here at these things called airplanes
me take you where you need to pro
uh... unless of course uh... your los angeles and there's a tornado when you
have to get to dallas
so that they can see the flight
um...
i love conducting and um...
and I started out
job plane studios
film scores
and uh...
always loved
listening to the scores that are playing on also watching film my whole life like
you probably
and uh... was in the film music
and early on i'd the beethoven brahms and bought some
world news of yurman
steiner in vermont
permanent rested
franz waxman
so
my my career should have went along and i ended up working at ways to treat
foxes
ended up working
m_g_m_ for about nineteen years
supervising music and uh...
i was also conducted themselves just natural
that some people said
would like to do to a concert what would you like to do
well like
figured this you know music from silverado and
ben-hur and you know and all its worth
so it just sort of
began that way
uh...
unfortunately audiences love motion pictures
and would love to hear the music motion pictures
um... without hearing the car chases in our hearing the gunshots and
you know and all the other
sound effects and all
adjuster really love doing
doing this and
bringing film music
to the symphony orchestra were
corn gold oracle think we're both that music is music whether it's for the
movie theater of the culture
very interesting
ethical so as a violinist through when did you start
seven years old
uh... i was uh... outside playing them
walked into my house and my mother said that this is mrs hewitt feature violin
teacher my from is that what the violence
she was sitting there and i started playing violin
and i love that and i look at for strangely time i'd love the music but
even more i love the camaraderie
young musicians
and the idea that when you
play a recital
they took you beat me
and and might and we had to be good restaurants nearby and so i actually
i would be playing a recital women's club whatever it might be thinking about
hope consistent
things rate sheets per jab so
could barely pathetic
that's ok you know
one thing that's on the other investors was about eleven or twelve
i thought it would be great to not just
played the melody
on the instrument but also to
be involved in everything going
sort of badgered teachers in the letting the conductor had no idea how to conduct
their wave your arms and stamina boxing
power over of the human beings
what more could have gotten bhagwat
uh... dot
so uh... so that's what
like that and just kept on
and doing that collagen
you know that's a pretty good breaks
plaza a violent stringed instrument
transitions to multitude of strange met
try anything else on explain things
uh... what i was thirteen years old
and found out that were approached him here
this was going to
all of the junior high schools
in los angeles
and asking them
to send their
a best percussionist
woodwind players and brass players to addition to be in the movies and music
and i played the violin there were no violence in the music and so i went to
uh... mister number of my junior high school
and i said i need to there's an audition on saturday i need to play a brass
instrument
and he said well there's no way you can
learn to play an instrument i said i know that the studio orchestra plays
music which is needed know-how
he said well i have a trumbo
so he handed me a trombone
and showed me how to do this
and uh... the following week i was at warner brothers with all these other
great musicians from the junior high schools i couldn't win over her
i could use some kind of you know concern
but i had red hair
and i could market
didn't study margin
and i got in the movie
i wasn't here a little boys abandoned
and then went on to
not study trumbull had to learn how to play a little bit
and as i a you know is discovering conducting a life
sort of learned
pianos and percussion you know
i know how the instruments were
wields bridge that anti composing
when you're when something
you'll understand instrument that's one thing but if you're trying to write some
music but you don't play the instrument
for the purpose to get a great question
uh...
and i'm not really composer i've written music and written songs
but
uh...
i think
it's one thing to know how to write a novel
another new and to write a beat
but know how to like an artist and take the colors of the orchestra
the power colors
continues in the solos
to to get it three together
all of them together
is really a skill that
is it's very difficult to learn that
uh... especially in film it's because
once you've learned what what you right now and what you write the rhythm
do the orchestration the instrumentation all the rest of it
and you know how to do that
and suddenly you're staring
at a movie with no music and some empty
management favors and now we're away
and it's all about timings and all that so
so i i can answer your question though i think that
the colors of the orchestra
how to use them
isn't part into itself
even aside from writing melodies
sp film composers have demonstrated bernard herrmann
in the movie psycho
solely strings there's news any other part of the orchestra
and uh...
which john williams you know
uh... i'm
i was very fortunate plan a number of john's films and one of them was close
encounters
the third time and
we we were
we had recorded some of the music when they were brothers
when we were dismissed the worst was dismissed
but they had more to do
and as i was packing up on trial and i noticed
five or six tuba players right
and i looked once though about my state and of course
it was you know open bottle dot help on this one field
which i sat there thinking well this is really in human
you know how does somebody come up with that idea
and it was just brilliant
knowing those colors and knowing
how to use them
is sort of the next step of your gonna write music
you know
long answer maxis came inside second a process i think that's a lot of notebook
was moved to your time and can and and fox
net sound so
by virtue of you living in l_a_ at the time
you were you know
precludes studios born raised in west los angeles
when i was brought home from
hospital
who's just born
powerhouse over the back fence of our house was the fox battle
and truth
and as a child i remember i didn't see any films being done but i remember at
night that would be bright light
where they work sheet
i remember that and then
we moved when i was about two or three years old
couple miles away and um...
michael childhood
was surrounded by
show business
uh... pony league baseball
uh... my coach was burt lancaster
billy lancaster his son
was a friend of mine and we were all
uh... and then billy lancaster
went on to write the screenplay for the bad news bears
sort of about our team
so it was just like this
spider web of connection
and uh... it was fascinating
to be a part of that in west l_a_ and i remember as a kid driving past m_g_m_
studios
and
sing these walls and
you know we paris with tickets to movies and on
what's going on behind
and eventually
my office before
we'll talk to us about that what's what's behind the gates a lot of crazy
people
note you know uh... i do
and started at fox
first about two and a half years
uh...
there there was a movie being done
uh... called unfaithful e_u_ words with deadly more an armada sound
i might have to look like a violinist so i was hired to
makeup look like that and uh... but more
and so
after i did that the head of music lionel newman one of them
members of the newman them
one woman
uh...
you have a lot of
television
that was about to start ten or eleven shells and he needed help
and so i became his assistant and then after that two-and-a-half years
manning carry law yes d
and in g_m_ a set of music and g_m_
i had known he read
when i was a violinist
playing on session
and harry and i would talk
about
musical theater and all that sort of thing
because hairy started out
as fred ssrs rehearsal pianist
so perry called me and
there wasn't much going on at fox after a couple of years
anike coming lionel and assign me to do a film
called the men with one red shoe teach tom hanks to look like a violinist and
jim belushi look like it's going to be player and
carrie fisher looked like a flute player david stars with what the doctor
appointed dr
but there really wasn't going to be anything after that
and i was panicking my daughter
about to be born
navajo big trouble here you called and said listen
the music ordinator friend g_m_
is
commitment nine
and couldn't climb stairs to the dog
r_u_ interested
i said well
i've got a movie to do
and
i'm i was asked
by below to go to london to conduct a film score for him
and this was in july
and i said so i really won't be free until like the end of october he said
well
can you call when you get back from england so
three months go by
i got back no work
and i call it a read on a friday november fifth
nineteen eighty-four i said well
what you know and back in
just in case he says well what can you start
you held the job open for me three months
and i start the following monday
as music were date for the studio
and then he retired
disposition
was there for about nineteen years
and initially question the other side of the world in general
of the was exciting
it was a city
i mean there was a barber shop
couple restaurants and shoe shine placed
stored all the sort of thing
and sound stages and of course if you're a fan of motion
pictures to be on the m_g_m_ lot's wife
no fall
and i would finish work
leak in the evening
and sometimes i would just walked by myself to the lofty law
we've reduced our voices gene kelly
you need to go
elizabeth taylor
stands
really a magical
and that was
ted turner and everything
well so some
everyone trying to be an actor someone trying to be a film personality
and before so many people who can make
even tougher for musicians to make it in hollywood or to make their name
any part of the business is difficult because there are a lot of people who
would like to be doing
more and more the craft
making movies has disappeared
uh...
if somebody even if you're an actor and you're in a big yet then they will sign
into direct
why
would you be signed to do that
i don't know it's just very strange is like if you're
on the street and some because of a bicycle you run over and
you pull over to the side and uh... you know you run inside it's a band-aid you
put it on and somebody comes and says oh wait now we'd like to give you some
brain surgery next week
you know because you just help dispersed
end and that's it
radical example but
the craft
of being a musician whether it's a studio musician or a composer
for music editor
music supervisor
there's a lot to know
and it begins
with the low
the art form
took a lot of it so that
you see movies
constant you listened every film score you get your hands up
for no other reason than you love doing it and you want it
so pretty
when i was playing kansas city musician
breaks a ten minute breaks in sessions who would be one of two members every
hour
i would stay in the studio i would go in the booth and stand in the back and
listen to the director told me that the boys
watch the playback so i just
and and i think that today
it's one thing to be able to close the is it
living who's filming
report technique
of writing music
all with them
sub-prime
although i would have liked working with mozart
if you've been given them
it since wonderful question pontiac
yeah but gets difficult there's a lot of competition
a lot of wonderful
musicians to play in the studios
and and less work than they used to be
and film composing
a lot of people would like to be doing
and it's it's
it's tough to do
well you've written since uh... understand chart you've written some
music for a
pink panther clinton series all thoughts what happened
and uh... in here tonight t_v_ show
what's that like i mean with
the amount of music that you played your past when you get up to you
skates with me on paper
word at what where does your personal preference life can you have a personal
preference when you're
as far as the music that
i'd like to remind job
i would never would wanna be a composer
difficult to do
and how people
i mean elmer bernstein once told me
with regard to kill a mockingbird
and he said he gave in the work print
you know film cut
but no support
and he set for six weeks
trying to figure out
seven them
all these great films
and so here's one of the great composers and where y right defiantly
told me he said
he discovered that the point of view of the film was through the content of
children
and he said
wrote the melodies beautiful little you know
but it's really hard to do and when i wrote
it was because
of necessity
if there was if the composer was running out of time and there were couple small
cues i would write them
in the heat of the night
the series we didn't show up on the series
we had no money
for song
so they're in the scripts there were always songs in this jukebox at this
called me since *** signaling for
and this trip would say you know to read this fight over a woman has the music
plays out of the jukebox
we got it music we don't we don't have money to buy
i started writing country songs i thought no from west los angeles before
solely qualified
so uh... i wrote a song once
country so-called mylove gave you a reason to live your about gave me a
reason to doubt
mean is that a country star answers
i wrote a song once called i love my truck
doesn't get more countrymen and lyrics are
some guys love there when this kind of an up to beat bill
some guys love their women give mall they've got money can be hearts in
jewelry glowing in the dark
dinners by the
candlelight
brings in lots of luck with me i'm happy as a client
i love my truck i love my truck
it takes me where i want to be right up to the mountain tops and right down to
the sea
uh... cnf someday some woman goes in falls in love with me
i will look at it in the eye and tell her lovingly
that it takes me where i want to go and get sleep back from their takes me to
the hardware store to the county fair
other guys and they live their lives as lonely as can be with me if i live
let me i never all alone
highly in referee
i love my truck to take care of the right direction on thompson right down
to the scene
it throws my heart and overdrive and takes me to the stars
and it will never
dumped me for some crummy foreign car
as that country song
what my next question is
how much of that casts in the bar scene
it played in the jukebox
a couple years later mysteries went on for mine
couple years later a script comes in my office
caldwell
when the music stuff
and carroll o'connor wrote the script was valid country-western singer
who accidentally kills
hughes arranger
and the guy who also helped him write songs
because the guy
felt that he need to be paid
and singer and poet
and in the script
singer the character sings
all through the show
in the club
one country song after the end
and we have in week money song so i
was talking with carroll o'connor
and eyes and said
what are we going to do
for the songs and he said well
we've had a lot of songs for the jukebox
what about those i said
i wrote though i can play and forty-one here so i playtime for carol
values means
you know i love my truck to take you were a lot of all these things
and he said when the gates and get some really great countries
home correct
i mean i'm going to have like an chesney whoever tum ghar somebody you know
financings
so that was later the casting
woman calls me
in my office
and uh... very joe slater
uh... sarcastic person whose son was christians or jews christians without
anyway mary jo called says
we've got the time to play the country singer
greg who is it
at robert goulet
and i said don't be
marriage aggressively
robert goulet
it's a very took months to recent scott cut
robert goulet and he wants to hear the saw
i fly las vegas was house the next day irrevocably is not confusing bronstein
and what
and ifi today's play the songs
daybreak song let's look this is going to be great
fade out fade in were in atlanta which are controlled senate letter
we pre-recorded
the songs that here's robert releasing
love my truck
it goes in the show
all of it in the club scene
goulet calls me
few weeks later and says i've been asked to do it be a guest on the arsenio hall
show
works for you
they talk ***
i want to say i love my truck and you do arrangement for five p span
organic
through the arrangement
he called a few months later
you know i'm going back to beg us to do my act in a new i want to add i love my
truck in the actor needed arrangement for a fifteen p span
or cake
yet and stick
well it's ok system
a lot collect my thoughts what's this guy i mean i can
right now just let you go on and on but let let's get the while you're here so
kassebaum was iconic its time
it's it's it's it's a love story it's
it's one of the greatest my personal
off many people feel it's the greatest of not one of the recruitment
how do you approach that extract his dad came
treasure the sierra madre sits on
twenty five films a year how do you approach something
my job
used to
levy orchestra
recreate what mister
only the music is law
and so rather than hearing it
or even stereo you're hearing it
every single color of the orchestra
everything next enter into it
uh... fewer you're hearing
what he intended
and i and that's where approach it
it's very important
that the audience
seen the film
in addition the story lot of people and i think that's one blue
and those who have may have seen these are some small t_v_ screen
well here they are sitting at home
and not only that
here's a look at what's simply playing the school
and it's a unique experience
and so another part of my job is to make sure that there is
fortress balance
with the soundtrack so people can hear the works
with a great sound and restricted
be handling that
and so it's basically recreating what was originally done
as i told somebody it's sort of like casablanca on steroids
and it's so bigger and
beautiful prints
and and that's it and ah...
me a lot of people absolute
why do you look
usage of paperwork
why do you play book
well reclaim
i mean humphrey bogart as one of the coolest anti-hero
there's also the dynamic of
how he fell in love with else uh... but she was sort of just
she was under different pretenses
she thought
chief of ecological instead
g five decades and it's means for you know going after something that you want
do you think you have it's taken away and vouchers ethical people are ethical
obviously sir
cornucopia
frames and
that there's not one real reason but
let's say for this
i was in high school
first-time my jacket
soundtrack
thousand awesome
while so i i got nothing but julie wilson sing and you know
not on word
and hello amala ma say yes that once seemed pretty into the film right
that just
i can't stand it
uh... i just love
musical most
as much as the movie itself
this kind
taken aback my
it brought things that were
yeah at that's one amount
but what makes it
convenient what makes casa blanca
one of the greatest occurs
because one of them
you've touched on a couple things personal revolver
ingrid bergman
uh... the story of a love story
there are several stories going on
and the wavy we
themselves together
is extraordinaire
uh... beyond bogart
and
ingrid bergman you've got
cast of the greatest character actors who ever played points-of-view greenspan
gloria jeans bridge st
received a call
makings couples with yet
and uh... cover of the
and every single scene
it's like watching
these masters what they did
meet always with the film it isn't like going to bring to boil drug problem
or or intro
and birdman and uh... the nurse mother sita here they are again
dislike
and then you have the cinematography in black and white
the shadows in the way the shooting angles and all that sort
uh... you have
the story of course of world war two
words that way
world war two your friends skate but that's what they're going to pass walk
ticketless strike there's either the in this scene where in the club the germans
are singing the national international and and and then
the the patrons french patriots saying uh... mom i say yes
and they shot it and several of the ninety-four do several of those people
have experienced in real life what went on
and i had
but the good accounts of houses when you see the tears of those people when
they're singing in the field
those are real tears conrad vite
incredibly effective
by the nazis
and here is playing you know
the bad guy and yet his life was totally on the other side
just really
really extraordinary and then you take the music yeah
if you take any of those elements
it don't think that exist as casablanca being you know
great-great for my wife right
we we've watched it from time to time and every single time we see
accompli noticed that
do you would use it
so it's uh...
constant discovery
completely agree there's there's actually one
thing that uh...
if you were going to take it out it was what max steiner one
he didn't like it's time for the spa yet and yet this year or calico but
window composer
wants to have to use somebody else's amusing
you know and you know the colonel bogey march
you know uh... when sir malcolm arnold was writing the
the score for colonel william large they said
we're going to use uh...
differently march
and so he actually wrote the boating march in when you listen to colonel
bogey march in the movie the french warns are playing this totally
abnormality
that is the boat we did the uh...
require much
anton ta da da da da da da is going on here listening to know
there's the composer
but i think that when max steiner did
one of the greatest examples
of arranging orchestration
in using
in history of film
because when you hear what how he molded
vaccine heard the term upto scene
into his score
it's just seems
in israel extraordinaire
krabi began inside next i was pretty glad he didn't have to come up with such
a great
for that there are there are so many things that were already system
that he was able to
school him and i think that switchboard speak
states
kinda capture the the mindset of the people of the era and it was
he kinda did not commit all up-and-down deftly
it's cat happy st
old story consists of the film benefits of the month twenty
between twenty and twenty five song
uh... it had to get you in the east coast on on every time you hear
something
there's another song playing in the background
putting its stamp on time here
yeah the music music's extraordinaire
if you take the story
can you look at the film without any music and somebody says ok we need a
song
revolver and bird
what touch them
that brings them together mean what a difficult thing
depends time was black
so so so speaking of that uh...
when it comes to
points in the film
planned to labels explain
how does that compare
someone to play the piano and saying or just
to keep
the reality
all of the source music and
and orderly please do reply
some of the leading the charge playing she's planning
when the band is playing knock on wood
uh... read we have some strings that are
we've kind of put underneath a little bit just a for a little bit
uh... but i think you'll be surprised with the work she was doing during the
cold war
and uh...
uh... but all of the source music is in there just isn't worth
if anything
other than the underscore we had to have a little bit
system
but still as you said kassebaum
on steroids
absolutely note for note
and it was lovely didn't play the piano
and that they had a pianist on the set off to the side
julie welch was coming
would look at his age gap and that your view mention that
remember spurred mine here
uh... one of these attributes
julie wilson was the only member of the cast
whoever actually win
to passable
major fans of the party
with a lot i would i would say mister murdoch often told me do we will stand
and to gossip about that
well arm
this is not your first time play
you keep taking this across the country and that's why i do think that this with
the chicago symphony
uh... in january and with the civic symphony uh... few weeks ago
some california
as part of the
naps with chicago that's the friday night
citeseer is we do is former simply called friday night movies blue
separately
you three
three nights season
i will usually be too
john williams will be one
some of the time
composer
uh... you know we we
would love that series it's been sold out for seven years and
do all sorts of things about
retooling stuff we recorded the entire parts of the carribean
or support with the film
all two hours and twenty minutes of it
it was it was daunting and we've had a great time
an absolutely
but audiences love them and i think when you have
listening to music it's also a visual you see the workshop
and all that it's an exciting
exciting thing to watch
and in a movie
to hear that music mon
casa blocker was boswell
mexicans dash
opencube dried and this orchestra
twenty-two please symphony orchestra rather than via sip another thing to be
a symphony orchestra the complex film school
and with the passion and really
really getting into the drama
this orchestras
so did u the score with
really inspection
so i'm excited
for me to make it to do it and for the audience to know to experience the film
you know that you get my tickets for tomorrow night explicit sex jack of all
you'll see something different
everything
thanks isn't great