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Erik: How have you learn to adapt when things have not worked out as planned?
Joe: I think there's a couple of things that I've learned over the years. I used to be
much more hot-headed than I am now and I think that -- I think I've done a lot better job
of recognizing that when you're in a bad situation or things have kind of went off the rails
of accepting that and triaging and moving forward. Like I can't -- the phrase is don't
cry over spilt milk. You can't do anything about the fact that the milk spilled. The
only thing you can do now is go and get a mop and clean it up. And I think embracing
that has been really important because quite frankly I mean, the last couple of years,
I probably would have gone back to Michigan and just bought a farm, bought some sheep
or some ***. I don't know.