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it's cell tell me about the the evolution in the sales pitch that went
on essentially to employers because it was quite effective in terms
of of and
i guess it because
uh... my
uh... work history
ever run into any of this uh...
purses which may be just a reflection of the type of work that i've had to go
over my career but students percentage
uh... american workers are subjected to this yes
yannick historically primarily targeted low-wage workers
unlike and people if you want to get a job working at wal-mart if you want to
get a job working at a fast-food restaurant
your often objected when you apply cute some form of drug testing
so it's a very clock it always be a very classy based uh... regime
where a lot of professional don't get drug tested
by blue collar workers
are often but want to work or at the court really at the part one
and uh... any any kind of and it goes to the top of the but that problematic
regime for drug testing really it merely it really goes hand-in-hand with
hand-in-hand with
with other problems in inm confidently in american workplace reflect that the
lack of protection from being fired pretty open heart so
in you it you know if you get tested by your blog and
you are found to ab to be positive meaning you may have smoked pot at a
party on saturday night
again you can be implemented be fired
frame and
so this is an independent pickens dickens there nothing new about that
there could be in said the clerk nameplate
since the late nineteen eighties
on and now what we have a republican lawmakers proposing is too
and testing to people who have lost their jobs and armed are applying for
unemployment benefits
still applying for support through a program that they've paid into through
their paychecks
and what what republican lawmakers are increasingly advocating for
if the people should have to c_n_n_ copy before they can collect benefit
and i think what what work done
and already we had that we've had allotted we've had many many like that
have been propose eight
they'll have a lot on the books requiring
people applying for for for welfare to uh...
beneath the deck they could prompt the *** laude and and not off-peak but a
path it like require everybody piper welcome back
it become part of the population applying for welfare in in intake state
is in from
hotmail going to be subjected to q to drug traffic
and addictive expanding impact the into the um... area of unemployment insurance
as well yet you write that sixteen states have considered laws uh...
nine unemployment insurance benefits to drug test now
from a legal perspective how is it debt uh... if the u_s_ government couldn't
randomly do it um... to test everyone in the country uh... of for
discourse everyone to be the couple's u
musicology um... how is it what what is the legal justification to be able to do
this uh... for uh... welfare recipients
or uh... women to insurance recipients
well i would be and you don't get legal expert but be packed the american civil
liberties union get what they want one and do they have been particularly
fighting this in the courts
and what we'd what we seen emerges the pattern whereby state that have past
lives
that mandated that everybody applying for these programs
data broadcast
we keep that had not had picked up
in inhalt holding up in the court
bumping up florida
there was no law that was enacted alone
by
that the state governor bootleg happens to own uh... drug-testing company with
drug test
in but could not contact info but it was a tremendous coincidences profit from
from its waterfront rick scott
yes and and it would and it did not last are very long prepare were that warm
many while protecting in florida
that were forced to go to private drug testing company to pay out of their own
pockets to be tested and then the state would then reimburse them if they tested
if they can't get negative
if they were found to be
drug-free uh... and
the a_c_l_u_ launched a lawsuit and successfully armed force the stated code
ted to dropped program
and
what we feel that what we see now there are speak of politicking that play in
the florida model also georgette passed a bill on which is now uh... on hold
ending what
reported that like to do given that
very similar program in florida with found to be on computational
bucket what we're seeing it is that there are other states like and that
there's been most recent state to a pastor drug-testing la petite pocket
that target
welfare applicant and also unemployment insurance applicants
and it eight on eight
station there
deficiency testing model
which really means a lot of relocating fluid opened to a interpretation by un
by just a test of whether somebody is uh... it edu seems to be at risk for
being a drug users to it can be if you were fired for your from job because you
can't tested positive we already know that
the regime of workplace protecting is extremely problematic but that could be
completed grounds for
you haven't read
piana cop before you collect unemployment insurance or before you
before you collect any welfare benefits
hello wilson constitute some type of suspicion and if you come in with
i don't know you're wearing a tie-dyed shirt i mean what everyone else at that
point
one are they claiming wooed
create the
legally justified suspicion
well thank you know if you had eight anything put it past drug conviction
uh...
it can be some at their other states that had thereof started giving people
questionnaire if you could if you hit the elantra series of questions
that are supposed to determine whether you might be a drug user um...
and but given that the other definite an area where
and area where things that we're really seeing a correlation need between them
bulgaria unfair and discriminatory
regime of workplace drug testing
and uh... and alleged that what he could that affect if in the area of a
unemployment insurance
because i don't there would be a it would be extremely difficult for any
state to come out and say a all unemployment insurance applicants are
going to now have to start picking a cop before they can get that effect
which would be extremely costly etc that with a actually abducting proposals like
that look exempted examined in and and disgusted that access aram
in the texas uh...
after a month texas legislators and various eight budget office came up with
uh... an estimate of how much it would cost senate within them in the realm of
on
at millions and millions tens of millions of dollars that it would be
extremely extremely costly
and fill by thick dub proposals that seem to be moved
and moving forward now are
hiking trip if you best there a number that tying
your eligibility catherine friend employment benefits q a record of that
uh... to basically your your record in in the area of workplace drug testing
so for instance if you were to go and applied for a job at wal-mart
and they have a policy of making everybody
and take a drug test
and if you are found kept confidential
then that you could if you could potentially lose fuhrer your uh... your
benefit
mathematical disenchantment support to be able to look for work
collected their debt collector basically the the victoria out forcing ***
extremely problematic
uh...
on what would be unconstitutional for them and felt the duke to be investing
workplace drug testing retain do with an
in the event of uh...
a situation where you need to test before you get a job
and you failed that test is that information kept by that corporation it
is that's and soul
the centrally to the to the government in the event that uh... to the state
government the event that the
uh... down the road a year later let's say you'd find another job that doesn't
require testing you get fired you get laid off whatever disney go for
unemployment turns is that problematic for you
currently buried secretary kantor ally database yet with this information
uh... and that's good that what who someone maker income state that have
been pushing for these kinds of measures are now proposing that were that
employers shed where port people critical kayla drug test
to restate unemployment agency gift code at the state again
cut off the hook but the potential workers benefit
releases
it prevents them from getting too early to keep
it brought it back and i think we need continue to look at this as as in in
part and that's all on
a population that in the context of what it
what is being considered at the greatest economic recession since that the great
depression
it made the party of blaming the victims right the more that we talked about
potential drug users amongst the unemployed or amongst welfare applicants
the more debt the less pressure there is on lawmakers to find real solutions to
defeat and on the crisis but it's pretty extremely
are harmful to a lot of american families so i think there's a there's
that import that's attacking a very important part of the context of that
there is a ideological insult but is that his it'd be tied to this agenda of
making
the unemployed and poor americans p_m_ cops success the other day i think we
heard uh... we heard uh...
pennsylvania governor
claim that the reason why there's such joblessness in pennsylvania is because
there are few people who can't pass a drug that stimulate early i he was a
really blamed
the rise in unemployment in his state because there are people
there's not enough people who
are drug free to work essentially uh... it so we were we're we're already seeing
the the the surf the political value of of
uh... of of these drug test but we're talking about an industry here we talk
about these drug test industries in this is what is is also a scary because it
has been delayed
lose some of these court cases um... and it's more difficult for them to get that
prize of every person who is going to apply for unemployment insurance they
have to seek out others how big of an industry is this i mean how many
hundreds of millions of dollars we're talking about annually
you angry article as technical cap harm are arm up permanent uh... google uh...
when their record evocam important go chronicle
maybe
eight-year would go up the great put the industry had
to billion dollars two billion dollar industry on
and if they don't fit what are we talking about um a multi-billion dollar
industry uh... and a lot of the companies that are that are big players
in drug testing are also major
major uh... pharmaceutical companies are also major uh...
yet may have major players in the private health industry in america
thirty income wait karta separate out what his drug testing to get the purely
drug-testing component of this these companies work
and being acting that had been collected
two billion dollar that was probably a couple that with several years ago st