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>> THERE ARE AROUND 11 MILLION UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS IN THE
UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS IN THE UNITED STATES ACCORDING TO THE
UNITED STATES ACCORDING TO THE PEW HISPANIC CENTER AND ABOUT
PEW HISPANIC CENTER AND ABOUT 110,000 OF THOSE LIVE IN
110,000 OF THOSE LIVE IN INDIANA.
INDIANA. NOW CONGRESS IS SEEKING TO
NOW CONGRESS IS SEEKING TO PROVIDE THOSE IMMIGRANTS A
PROVIDE THOSE IMMIGRANTS A PATHWAY TO LEGAL STATUS.
PATHWAY TO LEGAL STATUS. WE'LL DISCUSS WHAT OPTIONS ARE
WE'LL DISCUSS WHAT OPTIONS ARE BEING CONSIDERED AND WHAT
BEING CONSIDERED AND WHAT INTEGRATION REFORM COULD MEAN
INTEGRATION REFORM COULD MEAN FOR INDIANA ON THIS EPISODE OF
FOR INDIANA ON THIS EPISODE OF "InFOCUS."
>> THANKS FOR JOINING US FOR THIS EDITION OF "InFOCUS."
THIS EDITION OF "InFOCUS." I'M STAN JASTRZEBSKI.
I'M STAN JASTRZEBSKI. A GROUP OF EIGHT LAWMAKERS ARE
A GROUP OF EIGHT LAWMAKERS ARE WORKING TO CREATE AN IMMIGRATION
WORKING TO CREATE AN IMMIGRATION REFORM PROPOSAL TO BE VOTED ON
REFORM PROPOSAL TO BE VOTED ON IN CONGRESS WTIU'S GRETCHEN
IN CONGRESS WTIU'S GRETCHEN PHRASE EA HAPHRASY HAS MORE.
PHRASE EA HAPHRASY HAS MORE. >> THE GAING OF EIGHT IS
>> THE GAING OF EIGHT IS PROPOSING LEGISLATION WOULD THAT
PROPOSING LEGISLATION WOULD THAT PROVIDE A PATHWAY TO LEGAL
PROVIDE A PATHWAY TO LEGAL STATUS.
STATUS. INDIANA CENTER DAN COATS SAYS HE
INDIANA CENTER DAN COATS SAYS HE SUPPORTS THE GROUP'S EFFORTS BUT
SUPPORTS THE GROUP'S EFFORTS BUT EMPHASIZES IT MUST INCLUDE
EMPHASIZES IT MUST INCLUDE TOUGHER PENALTIES FOR THOSE WHO
TOUGHER PENALTIES FOR THOSE WHO VIOLATE THE LAW.
VIOLATE THE LAW. >> WE TRIED TO DO IT IN THE
>> WE TRIED TO DO IT IN THE MID-'80s.
MID-'80s. IT DIDN'T WORK.
IT DIDN'T WORK. LET'S LEARN LESSONS FROM THAT.
LET'S LEARN LESSONS FROM THAT. LET'S TIGHTEN UP THE BORDERS,
LET'S TIGHTEN UP THE BORDERS, TIGHTEN UP THE EMPLOYMENT
TIGHTEN UP THE EMPLOYMENT VERIFICATION SYSTEM AND DO A
VERIFICATION SYSTEM AND DO A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS BEFORE WE
NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS BEFORE WE RUSH TO JUDGMENT ON WHO OUGHT TO
RUSH TO JUDGMENT ON WHO OUGHT TO BE ADMITTED AS CITIZENS.
BE ADMITTED AS CITIZENS. >> AND IMMIGRATION ATTORNEY WITH
>> AND IMMIGRATION ATTORNEY WITH INDIANA LEGAL SERVICES SAYS AT
INDIANA LEGAL SERVICES SAYS AT ITS FACE THE PROBLEM IS A
ITS FACE THE PROBLEM IS A PROCESS TO OBTAIN LEGAL STAT US
PROCESS TO OBTAIN LEGAL STAT US IS TOO COMPLICATED AND LENGTHY.
IS TOO COMPLICATED AND LENGTHY. >> I HAVE ONE CLIENT WHO IS
>> I HAVE ONE CLIENT WHO IS FROM -- I JUST LOOKED UP THE
FROM -- I JUST LOOKED UP THE VISA PROCESSING TIMES FOR HER.
VISA PROCESSING TIMES FOR HER. SHE WOULD LIKE TO SPONSOR HAD
SHE WOULD LIKE TO SPONSOR HAD YOU BRUR ENTHUSE FROM MEXICO.
YOU BRUR ENTHUSE FROM MEXICO. RIGHT NOW THE PROCESSING TIMES
RIGHT NOW THE PROCESSING TIMES FOR HER TO SPONSOR HER BROTHER
FOR HER TO SPONSOR HER BROTHER ARE ABOUT 20 TO 22 YEARS.
ARE ABOUT 20 TO 22 YEARS. >> AT A RECENT SOCCER GAME
>> AT A RECENT SOCCER GAME BETWEEN MEXICO AND UNIVERSITY,
BETWEEN MEXICO AND UNIVERSITY, THIS WOMAN HELPED HER FATHER
THIS WOMAN HELPED HER FATHER SELL T-SHIRTS AND SOUVENIRS.
SELL T-SHIRTS AND SOUVENIRS. SHE SUPPORTS AN IMMIGRATION
SHE SUPPORTS AN IMMIGRATION OVERHAUL BUT HAS CONCERNS.
OVERHAUL BUT HAS CONCERNS. >> MY PARENTS WILL HAVE AN
>> MY PARENTS WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO STAY HERE LEGALLY
OPPORTUNITY TO STAY HERE LEGALLY BUT IT'S A RISK BECAUSE SOME
BUT IT'S A RISK BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE GETTING SENT BACK
PEOPLE ARE GETTING SENT BACK UNTIL THEY GET THEIR PAPERS.
UNTIL THEY GET THEIR PAPERS. THEN THEY CAN COME BACK.
THEN THEY CAN COME BACK. BUT THEN SOME OF THE PEOPLE ARE
BUT THEN SOME OF THE PEOPLE ARE LIKE -- THEY ONLY SEND THEM BACK
LIKE -- THEY ONLY SEND THEM BACK BUT THEN THEY DON'T GIVE THEM
BUT THEN THEY DON'T GIVE THEM THE PAPERS.
THE PAPERS. IT'S LIKE CONFUSING.
IT'S LIKE CONFUSING. >> COATES RECENTLY ATTENDED A
>> COATES RECENTLY ATTENDED A NATURALIZATION CEREMONY IN
NATURALIZATION CEREMONY IN INDIANAPOLIS WHERE 82 PEOPLE
INDIANAPOLIS WHERE 82 PEOPLE TOOK THE OATH.
TOOK THE OATH. HE SAYS NO MATTER WHAT COMES OUT
HE SAYS NO MATTER WHAT COMES OUT OF IMGAITION REFORM IT WILL
OF IMGAITION REFORM IT WILL IMPACT IMPACT.
IMPACT IMPACT. >> WE'RE FAR FROM THE BORDER BUT
>> WE'RE FAR FROM THE BORDER BUT WE'RE STILL A STATE OF
WE'RE STILL A STATE OF IMMIGRANTS AND WE SEE A NUMBER
IMMIGRANTS AND WE SEE A NUMBER OF IMMIGRANTS.
OF IMMIGRANTS. WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE FROM 36
WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE FROM 36 DIFFERENT COUNTRIES HERE IN
DIFFERENT COUNTRIES HERE IN INDIANA TAKING THE OATH TO
INDIANA TAKING THE OATH TO BECOME A CITIZEN.
BECOME A CITIZEN. AND THAT IS A STORY WHETHER IT'S
AND THAT IS A STORY WHETHER IT'S INDIANAPOLIS OR ANY OF A NUMBER
INDIANAPOLIS OR ANY OF A NUMBER OF OUR LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT
OF OUR LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT INDIANA.
INDIANA. SO WE ALL HAVE A STAKE IN
SO WE ALL HAVE A STAKE IN GETTING THIS DONE RIGHT.
GETTING THIS DONE RIGHT. >> THOSE WHO ATTENDED THE
>> THOSE WHO ATTENDED THE CEREMONY CAN ATTEST TO THE NEED
CEREMONY CAN ATTEST TO THE NEED FOR GETTING IT RIGHT.
FOR GETTING IT RIGHT. FOR THEM EARNING CITIZENSHIP WAS
FOR THEM EARNING CITIZENSHIP WAS A MAJOR ACHIEVEMENT AND THEY
A MAJOR ACHIEVEMENT AND THEY HOPE IMMIGRATION REFORM WILL
HOPE IMMIGRATION REFORM WILL ALLOW MANY OTHERS TO DO THE
ALLOW MANY OTHERS TO DO THE SAME.
SAME. >> IT'S A GREAT UNYOU ARE FOR ME
>> IT'S A GREAT UNYOU ARE FOR ME TO BE A -- HONOR FOR ME TO BE A
TO BE A -- HONOR FOR ME TO BE A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES.
CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES. IT'S A LONG JOURNEY, STARTING
IT'S A LONG JOURNEY, STARTING WAY BACK IN 1998 FOR ME.
WAY BACK IN 1998 FOR ME. >> I AM VERY FORTUNATE BECAUSE I
>> I AM VERY FORTUNATE BECAUSE I AM MARRIED TO AN AMERICAN
AM MARRIED TO AN AMERICAN CITIZEN.
CITIZEN. FOR ME IT WASN'T A PROBLEM
FOR ME IT WASN'T A PROBLEM NECESSARILY.
NECESSARILY. BUT THE QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU
BUT THE QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU MAKE IT FAIR AND EASIER FOR
MAKE IT FAIR AND EASIER FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO DON'T
THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO DON'T ENJOY THE SAME PRIVILEGES AND
ENJOY THE SAME PRIVILEGES AND WEREN'T AS FORTUNATE AS I WAS.
WEREN'T AS FORTUNATE AS I WAS. >> I THINK THIS IS THE BEST TIME
>> I THINK THIS IS THE BEST TIME FOR ME BECAUSE MY KIDS, THEY
FOR ME BECAUSE MY KIDS, THEY GREW UP, AND I HAVE SOMETHING TO
GREW UP, AND I HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD FOR MYSELF.
LOOK FORWARD FOR MYSELF. MOST OF THEM ARE IN COLLEGE AND
MOST OF THEM ARE IN COLLEGE AND MY DAUGHTER IS IN HIGH SCHOOL.
MY DAUGHTER IS IN HIGH SCHOOL. SO I THINK IT'S TIME FOR ME TO
SO I THINK IT'S TIME FOR ME TO GO TO STUDY AND DO SOMETHING FOR
GO TO STUDY AND DO SOMETHING FOR THE COUNTRY.
THE COUNTRY. >> WE'RE JOINED IN STUDIO
>> WE'RE JOINED IN STUDIO TONIGHT BY FORMER REPUBLICAN
TONIGHT BY FORMER REPUBLICAN LAWMAKER AND CURRENT SENIOR VICE
LAWMAKER AND CURRENT SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT MIKE MURPHY, ALSO
PRESIDENT MIKE MURPHY, ALSO IMMIGRATION GROUP DIRECTOR
IMMIGRATION GROUP DIRECTOR ANGELA ADAMS AND TIM WYNN,
ANGELA ADAMS AND TIM WYNN, MANAGER OF IMMIGRATION LEGAL
MANAGER OF IMMIGRATION LEGAL SERVICES FOR THE ARCHDIOCESE OF
SERVICES FOR THE ARCHDIOCESE OF INDIANAPOLIS.
INDIANAPOLIS. THANKS TO ALL THREE FOR BEING
THANKS TO ALL THREE FOR BEING HERE.
HERE. LET ME ASK A GENERAL QUESTION TO
LET ME ASK A GENERAL QUESTION TO START AND WE'LL GET A RESPONSE
START AND WE'LL GET A RESPONSE FROM ALL OF YOU STARTING WITH
FROM ALL OF YOU STARTING WITH MIKE AND GOING DOWN.
MIKE AND GOING DOWN. GIVE ME IN YOUR OWN WORDS THE
GIVE ME IN YOUR OWN WORDS THE STATE OF IMMIGRATION IN INDIANA
STATE OF IMMIGRATION IN INDIANA AND WHERE IT MIGHT NEED SOME
AND WHERE IT MIGHT NEED SOME CHANGES IF AT ALL.
CHANGES IF AT ALL. WE'LL START WITH YOU.
WE'LL START WITH YOU. >> IT'S HOPEFUL.
>> IT'S HOPEFUL. I THINK IT'S GETTING BETTER.
I THINK IT'S GETTING BETTER. SOMETIMES OUT OF DEFEAT COMES
SOMETIMES OUT OF DEFEAT COMES HOPE.
HOPE. I THINK WHEN THE REPUBLICANS
I THINK WHEN THE REPUBLICANS WERE TROUNCED IN THE NATIONAL
WERE TROUNCED IN THE NATIONAL ELECTIONS IN 2012, ALL OF A
ELECTIONS IN 2012, ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY REALIZED THEY WILL
SUDDEN THEY REALIZED THEY WILL NEVER WIN ANOTHER NATIONAL
NEVER WIN ANOTHER NATIONAL ELECTION WITHOUT THE HISPANIC
ELECTION WITHOUT THE HISPANIC VOTE, OR AT LEAST A GOOD PORTION
VOTE, OR AT LEAST A GOOD PORTION OF IT.
OF IT. SO YOU SAW A LOT OF WHAT I CALL
SO YOU SAW A LOT OF WHAT I CALL DEATHBED CONVERSIONS, LEADERS IN
DEATHBED CONVERSIONS, LEADERS IN OUR STATE LEGISLATURE, LEADERS
OUR STATE LEGISLATURE, LEADERS IN OUR CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION
IN OUR CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION AND LEADERS IN THE REPUBLICAN
AND LEADERS IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NATIONWIDE ALL OF A SUDDEN
PARTY NATIONWIDE ALL OF A SUDDEN SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, NOW WE'RE
SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE PRO IMMIGRANT
GOING TO BE PRO IMMIGRANT WHEREAS TWO YEARS AGO, FOUR
WHEREAS TWO YEARS AGO, FOUR YEARS AGO, SIX YEARS AGO WE
YEARS AGO, SIX YEARS AGO WE WEREN'T.
WEREN'T. SO THERE HAS BEEN A SEA CHANGE
SO THERE HAS BEEN A SEA CHANGE IN THE POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT
IN THE POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT HERE IN THE UNITED STATES THAT
HERE IN THE UNITED STATES THAT REPUBLICANS ARE FINALLY
REPUBLICANS ARE FINALLY RECOGNIZING THEY HAVE TO GET
RECOGNIZING THEY HAVE TO GET WITH IT IN THE IMMIGRANT
WITH IT IN THE IMMIGRANT POPULATION IS GOING TO OUTPACE
POPULATION IS GOING TO OUTPACE THE GROWTH OF THE SO-CALLED
THE GROWTH OF THE SO-CALLED WHITE POPULATION OVER THE NEXT
WHITE POPULATION OVER THE NEXT 20 TO 30 YEARS.
20 TO 30 YEARS. AND YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO BE
AND YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO BE WITH IT OR LEFT BEHIND.
WITH IT OR LEFT BEHIND. >> ANGELA?
>> ANGELA? >> I THINK MIKE IS RIGHT.
>> I THINK MIKE IS RIGHT. WE'VE SEEN A HUGE SHIFT THIS
WE'VE SEEN A HUGE SHIFT THIS YEAR FROM LAST YEAR AND IN GREAT
YEAR FROM LAST YEAR AND IN GREAT PART TO THE ELECTION.
PART TO THE ELECTION. THIS ISSUE HAS HISTORICALLY AND
THIS ISSUE HAS HISTORICALLY AND RECENTLY BEEN POLARIZED AND BEEN
RECENTLY BEEN POLARIZED AND BEEN DOMINATED BY THE EXTREMES, BY
DOMINATED BY THE EXTREMES, BY THE EXTREMIST GROUPS ON BOTH
THE EXTREMIST GROUPS ON BOTH SIDES ON THE FAR LEFT AND THE
SIDES ON THE FAR LEFT AND THE FAR RIGHT.
FAR RIGHT. AND NOW I THINK FOR THE FIRST
AND NOW I THINK FOR THE FIRST TIME WE'RE REALLY SEEING A SHIFT
TIME WE'RE REALLY SEEING A SHIFT BACK TO THE MIDDLE.
BACK TO THE MIDDLE. AND SO THAT MODERATES,
AND SO THAT MODERATES, CONSERVATIVES, PEOPLE WHO MAYBE
CONSERVATIVES, PEOPLE WHO MAYBE DON'T FIND THEMSELVES SIDING OR
DON'T FIND THEMSELVES SIDING OR AGREEING WITH THE EXTREMES BUT
AGREEING WITH THE EXTREMES BUT AGREE THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE
AGREE THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THE ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION
DONE ON THE ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION ARE REALLY FINDING THEIR VOICE,
ARE REALLY FINDING THEIR VOICE, AND I THINK THAT'S VERY
AND I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU ARE SEEING
IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU ARE SEEING A GROUP OF WE CALL BIBLES,
A GROUP OF WE CALL BIBLES, BADGES AND BUSINESS, FAITH
BADGES AND BUSINESS, FAITH LEADERS, LAW ENFORCEMENT LEADERS
LEADERS, LAW ENFORCEMENT LEADERS AND BUSINESS LEADERS COMING OUT
AND BUSINESS LEADERS COMING OUT WHO REALLY IN THE PAST HAVEN'T
WHO REALLY IN THE PAST HAVEN'T BEEN VOCAL ON THE ISSUE, AND NOW
BEEN VOCAL ON THE ISSUE, AND NOW ARE REALLY COMING OUT AND
ARE REALLY COMING OUT AND SAYING, HEY, WE DO WANT
SAYING, HEY, WE DO WANT IMMIGRATION REFORM, AND WE NEED
IMMIGRATION REFORM, AND WE NEED A COMMON SENSE SOLUTION TO THE
A COMMON SENSE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM THAT EXISTS TODAY AND WE
PROBLEM THAT EXISTS TODAY AND WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE AND SUPPORT
WANT TO ENCOURAGE AND SUPPORT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ON BOTH
MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE TO GET IT
SIDES OF THE AISLE TO GET IT DONE.
DONE. >> WHAT ABOUT FROM THE
>> WHAT ABOUT FROM THE CHARITABLE AND SOCIAL SERVICE
CHARITABLE AND SOCIAL SERVICE SIDE, WHAT DOES IMMIGRATION LOOK
SIDE, WHAT DOES IMMIGRATION LOOK LIKE TO YOU AS FAR AS INDIANA IS
LIKE TO YOU AS FAR AS INDIANA IS CONCERNED?
CONCERNED? >> I WOULD AGREE WITH THE TWO
>> I WOULD AGREE WITH THE TWO THAT I FEEL LIKE OFTEN BOTH
THAT I FEEL LIKE OFTEN BOTH SIDES, PEOPLE ARE COMING
SIDES, PEOPLE ARE COMING TOGETHER TO BRING ABOUT
TOGETHER TO BRING ABOUT IMMIGRATION REFORM.
IMMIGRATION REFORM. FROM THE SERVICE PROVIDER
FROM THE SERVICE PROVIDER STANDPOINT, WE ARE -- WE
STANDPOINT, WE ARE -- WE CONSTANTLY SEE THOSE TYPES OF
CONSTANTLY SEE THOSE TYPES OF PEOPLE COMING IN ASKING, WHAT
PEOPLE COMING IN ASKING, WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME?
CAN YOU DO FOR ME? HOW CAN I GET LEGAL STATUS AND
HOW CAN I GET LEGAL STATUS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THERE'S DEFINITELY A NEED OUT
SO THERE'S DEFINITELY A NEED OUT THERE.
THERE. WHAT I WOULD ALSO BRING TO THE
WHAT I WOULD ALSO BRING TO THE TABLE IS WHAT I'M NERVOUS ABOUT
TABLE IS WHAT I'M NERVOUS ABOUT IS THAT IMMIGRATION REFORM WILL
IS THAT IMMIGRATION REFORM WILL BE PASSED, BUT THE BENEFITS THAT
BE PASSED, BUT THE BENEFITS THAT ARE PROVIDED TO THE IMMIGRANTS
ARE PROVIDED TO THE IMMIGRANTS WITH THIS NEW LEGAL STATUS, THAT
WITH THIS NEW LEGAL STATUS, THAT THE SERVICE PROVIDERS ARE NOT
THE SERVICE PROVIDERS ARE NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO BE EQUIPPED OR
ACTUALLY GOING TO BE EQUIPPED OR READY FOR IT, DRIVER'S LICENSE,
READY FOR IT, DRIVER'S LICENSE, COLLEGES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
COLLEGES, THINGS LIKE THAT. I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS THAT
I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE PREPARED
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE PREPARED AND KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, AND
AND KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, AND WE'RE ALREADY STARTING TO SEE
WE'RE ALREADY STARTING TO SEE THAT WITH THE DEFERRED ACTION,
THAT WITH THE DEFERRED ACTION, THE LEGISLATE THAT PASSED LAST
THE LEGISLATE THAT PASSED LAST YEAR.
YEAR. >> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT AND
>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT AND GET A GENERAL RESPONSE FROM ALL
GET A GENERAL RESPONSE FROM ALL OF YOU.
OF YOU. IF YOU ARE SOMEONE WHO IS
IF YOU ARE SOMEONE WHO IS WATCHING THIS SHOW AND YOU'RE A
WATCHING THIS SHOW AND YOU'RE A HOOSIER, WHY SHOULD YOU CARE
HOOSIER, WHY SHOULD YOU CARE ABOUT IMMIGRATION REFORM?
ABOUT IMMIGRATION REFORM? HOW DOES IT AFFECT THE AVERAGE
HOW DOES IT AFFECT THE AVERAGE PERSON WHO IS NOT TRYING TO COME
PERSON WHO IS NOT TRYING TO COME TO THIS COUNTRY OR DOESN'T HAVE
TO THIS COUNTRY OR DOESN'T HAVE A RELATIVE WHO IS TRYING TO DO
A RELATIVE WHO IS TRYING TO DO THAT?
THAT? I'M CURIOUS WHAT EACH OF YOU
I'M CURIOUS WHAT EACH OF YOU THINK IS A REASON THAT SOMEONE
THINK IS A REASON THAT SOMEONE SHOULD CARE WHO IS WATCHING THIS
SHOULD CARE WHO IS WATCHING THIS PROGRAM.
PROGRAM. TIM, WE'LL START WITH YOU AND
TIM, WE'LL START WITH YOU AND WE'LL COME BACK THIS WAY.
WE'LL COME BACK THIS WAY. >> IT MATTERS BECAUSE THOSE ARE
>> IT MATTERS BECAUSE THOSE ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS.
YOUR NEIGHBORS. THOSE ARE THE RESIDENTS OF
THOSE ARE THE RESIDENTS OF INDIANAPOLIS AND INDIANA.
INDIANAPOLIS AND INDIANA. I MEAN, THEY AFFECT NOT ONLY THE
I MEAN, THEY AFFECT NOT ONLY THE PUBLIC BENEFIT, THEY AFFECT
PUBLIC BENEFIT, THEY AFFECT EMPLOYMENT.
EMPLOYMENT. YEAH, SO I WOULD JUST SAY IT IS
YEAH, SO I WOULD JUST SAY IT IS YOUR NEIGHBOR PRETTY MUCH.
YOUR NEIGHBOR PRETTY MUCH. >> ANGELA?
>> ANGELA? >> IMMIGRATION AFFECTS EVERYONE.
>> IMMIGRATION AFFECTS EVERYONE. WE ALL COME FROM SOMEWHERE, AND
WE ALL COME FROM SOMEWHERE, AND I THINK ALSO LOOKING AT THE
I THINK ALSO LOOKING AT THE BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE AS TIM
BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE AS TIM SAID, THIS IS YOUR NEIGHBOR,
SAID, THIS IS YOUR NEIGHBOR, THESE ARE -- THE STRANGER AMONG
THESE ARE -- THE STRANGER AMONG US, WE MUST WELCOME THEM.
US, WE MUST WELCOME THEM. FROM THE BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE,
FROM THE BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, YOU HAVE EMPLOYERS WHO THESE ARE
YOU HAVE EMPLOYERS WHO THESE ARE THEIR EMPLOYEES.
THEIR EMPLOYEES. THEY'RE VERY VALUED EMPLOYEES
THEY'RE VERY VALUED EMPLOYEES THAT THEY CAN'T DO WITHOUT.
THAT THEY CAN'T DO WITHOUT. AND IT'S FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE,
AND IT'S FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, IT'S REALLY AN ECONOMIC
IT'S REALLY AN ECONOMIC ARGUMENT, AND SO WHEN YOU SAY,
ARGUMENT, AND SO WHEN YOU SAY, WHAT ABOUT ME, HOW DOES
WHAT ABOUT ME, HOW DOES IMMIGRATION AFFECT ME, YOU KNOW,
IMMIGRATION AFFECT ME, YOU KNOW, BACK TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, ANOTHER
BACK TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS JUST PUBLIC SAFETY IN
EXAMPLE IS JUST PUBLIC SAFETY IN GENERAL AND WANTING TO BE ABLE
GENERAL AND WANTING TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE.
TO IDENTIFY PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE WHO
WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE WHO DON'T HAVE ANY FORM OF
DON'T HAVE ANY FORM OF IDENTIFICATION BECAUSE THEY'RE
IDENTIFICATION BECAUSE THEY'RE UNDOCUMENTED.
UNDOCUMENTED. WE CAN'T IDENTIFY THEM.
WE CAN'T IDENTIFY THEM. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW.
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW. WE CAN'T TRACK THEM.
WE CAN'T TRACK THEM. SO WE NEED THAT STEPPED UP
SO WE NEED THAT STEPPED UP ENFORCEMENT, THE TRACKING
ENFORCEMENT, THE TRACKING MECHANISM, BUT WE ALSO NEED A
MECHANISM, BUT WE ALSO NEED A WAY FOR EMPLOYERS TO -- A PASS
WAY FOR EMPLOYERS TO -- A PASS FOR EMPLOYERS WHO WANT -- PATH
FOR EMPLOYERS WHO WANT -- PATH FOR EMPLOYERS WHO WANT TO DO
FOR EMPLOYERS WHO WANT TO DO SOMETHING FOR EMPLOYEES TO GET
SOMETHING FOR EMPLOYEES TO GET THEM LAWFUL STATUS.
THEM LAWFUL STATUS. THE ECONOMIC ARGUMENT IS REALLY
THE ECONOMIC ARGUMENT IS REALLY THE STRONGEST AND REALLY RELATES
THE STRONGEST AND REALLY RELATES BACK TO EVERYUN, U.S. CITIZENS
BACK TO EVERYUN, U.S. CITIZENS AS WELL, IS IMMIGRATION IS GOOD
AS WELL, IS IMMIGRATION IS GOOD FOR THE ECONOMY.
FOR THE ECONOMY. IT'S GOOD FOR EVERYONE.
IT'S GOOD FOR EVERYONE. IT ACTUALLY HAS BEEN SHOWN TO
IT ACTUALLY HAS BEEN SHOWN TO INCREASE -- INCREASE JOBS, TO --
INCREASE -- INCREASE JOBS, TO -- AND OVER TIME WE'VE SEEN STUDIES
AND OVER TIME WE'VE SEEN STUDIES THAT SAY BY HAVING A COMMON
THAT SAY BY HAVING A COMMON SENSE IMMIGRATION REFORM WE
SENSE IMMIGRATION REFORM WE COULD INCREASE THE GDP BY 1.5
COULD INCREASE THE GDP BY 1.5 TRILLION DOLLARS OVER THE NEXT
TRILLION DOLLARS OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
10 YEARS. IT COULD BE THAT SHOT IN THE ARM
IT COULD BE THAT SHOT IN THE ARM THAT OUR ECONOMY NEEDS TO KIND
THAT OUR ECONOMY NEEDS TO KIND OF GET BACK TO GOOD AGAIN.
OF GET BACK TO GOOD AGAIN. >> STAN, I WOULD JUST PARAPHRASE
>> STAN, I WOULD JUST PARAPHRASE JEB BUSH.
JEB BUSH. JEB BUSH SAYS THAT THE STRENGTH
JEB BUSH SAYS THAT THE STRENGTH OF OUR COUNTRY HAS HISTORICALLY
OF OUR COUNTRY HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN IN IMMIGRATION AND THE
BEEN IN IMMIGRATION AND THE TALENT THAT IT BRINGS TO OUR
TALENT THAT IT BRINGS TO OUR SHORES AND WE ARE CRAZY TO TURN
SHORES AND WE ARE CRAZY TO TURN ONE OF OUR STRENGTHS INTO ONE OF
ONE OF OUR STRENGTHS INTO ONE OF OUR GREATEST WEAK NUTSZ AND
OUR GREATEST WEAK NUTSZ AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS.
OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS. WE NEED TO GET BACK TO HAVING
WE NEED TO GET BACK TO HAVING IMMIGRATION AND THE TALENT THAT
IMMIGRATION AND THE TALENT THAT IT BRINGS WITH IT TO BE ONE OF
IT BRINGS WITH IT TO BE ONE OF OUR CORE STRENGTHS.
OUR CORE STRENGTHS. >> ANGELA, YOU, WE SHOULD POINT
>> ANGELA, YOU, WE SHOULD POINT OUT, WERE A LAWYER ON THE CASE
OUT, WERE A LAWYER ON THE CASE THAT RECENTLY CAME DOWN THAT
THAT RECENTLY CAME DOWN THAT STRUCK DOWN PART OF INDIANA'S
STRUCK DOWN PART OF INDIANA'S WARRANTLESS SEARCH LAW AND YOU
WARRANTLESS SEARCH LAW AND YOU SAID, WE NEED TO TRACK PEOPLE.
SAID, WE NEED TO TRACK PEOPLE. WE NEED TO KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
WE NEED TO KNOW WHO THEY ARE. YET THAT SEEMS TO KIND OF GO
YET THAT SEEMS TO KIND OF GO AGAINST IN SOME WAYS WHAT YOU
AGAINST IN SOME WAYS WHAT YOU WERE ARGUING WHEN INDIANA PASSED
WERE ARGUING WHEN INDIANA PASSED THE LAW THAT MIRRORED SB1070 IN
THE LAW THAT MIRRORED SB1070 IN ARIZONA THAT SAID YOU COULD STOP
ARIZONA THAT SAID YOU COULD STOP PEOPLE AND ASK THEM TO SEE THEIR
PEOPLE AND ASK THEM TO SEE THEIR IDENTIFICATION.
IDENTIFICATION. IS THERE A DISCONNECT THERE
IS THERE A DISCONNECT THERE BETWEEN NEEDING BE ABLE TO
BETWEEN NEEDING BE ABLE TO FOLLOW PEOPLE AND TRACK THEM AND
FOLLOW PEOPLE AND TRACK THEM AND BEING ABLE TO SAY, SHOW ME YOUR
BEING ABLE TO SAY, SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS, AS IT'S BECOME KNOWN IN
PAPERS, AS IT'S BECOME KNOWN IN ARIZONA?
ARIZONA? >> I THINK THAT'S A GREAT
>> I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
QUESTION. AND I THINK THERE'S A HUGE
AND I THINK THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SHOW ME YOUR
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS AND DEPUTIZING LOCAL LAW
PAPERS AND DEPUTIZING LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO ENFORCE THE
ENFORCEMENT TO ENFORCE THE IMMIGRATION LAWS IS VERY
IMMIGRATION LAWS IS VERY PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY
PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY UNDERMINES THEIR ROLE OF WHAT
UNDERMINES THEIR ROLE OF WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY THERE TO DO, TO
THEY'RE ACTUALLY THERE TO DO, TO KEEP THE PUBLIC SAFE AND BUILD
KEEP THE PUBLIC SAFE AND BUILD COMMUNITY, BUT I THINK, YES, I
COMMUNITY, BUT I THINK, YES, I THINK WE NEED TO IDENTIFY PEOPLE
THINK WE NEED TO IDENTIFY PEOPLE BUT ALSO HAVE KIND OF A
BUT ALSO HAVE KIND OF A NATIONAL -- WE CAN'T JUST HAVE
NATIONAL -- WE CAN'T JUST HAVE PATCHWORK LEGISLATION ALL OVER
PATCHWORK LEGISLATION ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES.
THE UNITED STATES. WE HAVE TO HAVE FRAMEWORK --
WE HAVE TO HAVE FRAMEWORK -- FRAMEWORK A -- A CONSISTENCY
FRAMEWORK A -- A CONSISTENCY ACROSS THE BOARD.
ACROSS THE BOARD. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT
SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE PEOPLE IDENTIFIED, BUT
TO HAVE PEOPLE IDENTIFIED, BUT YOU CAN'T -- PART OF THE LAWSUIT
YOU CAN'T -- PART OF THE LAWSUIT WAS IT ALLOWED THEM TO ARREST
WAS IT ALLOWED THEM TO ARREST PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT COMMITTING
PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT COMMITTING CRIMES, WHO WERE NOT CRIMINALS.
CRIMES, WHO WERE NOT CRIMINALS. THE THREE PLAINTIFFS, AND THE
THE THREE PLAINTIFFS, AND THE CLASS THAT THEY REPRESENTED,
CLASS THAT THEY REPRESENTED, WERE NOT COMMITTING ANY CRIMES.
WERE NOT COMMITTING ANY CRIMES. THAT WAS WHY THE LAWSUIT WAS SO
THAT WAS WHY THE LAWSUIT WAS SO POWERFUL, BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T
POWERFUL, BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T DOINDOING ANYTHING WRONG.
DOINDOING ANYTHING WRONG. THEY WERE ACTUALLY GIVEN
THEY WERE ACTUALLY GIVEN PERMISSION BY THE FEDERAL
PERMISSION BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO BE HERE.
GOVERNMENT TO BE HERE. THE WAY THE LAW WAS WRITTEN IT
THE WAY THE LAW WAS WRITTEN IT WOULD HAVE GIVEN LAW ENFORCEMENT
WOULD HAVE GIVEN LAW ENFORCEMENT THE ABILITY TO ARREST PEOPLE FOR
THE ABILITY TO ARREST PEOPLE FOR NONCRIMINAL OFFENSES WHO WERE
NONCRIMINAL OFFENSES WHO WERE PERFECTLY CAPABLE TO BE HERE.
PERFECTLY CAPABLE TO BE HERE. IT WAS GOING BEYOND WHAT THE
IT WAS GOING BEYOND WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ALLOWED LAW
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ALLOWED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO DO.
ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO DO. >> LET ME GO BACK TO YOUR
>> LET ME GO BACK TO YOUR STATEMENT A SECOND AGO, AND
STATEMENT A SECOND AGO, AND YOWRN TALKING ABOUT JEB BUSH
YOWRN TALKING ABOUT JEB BUSH POINTING OUT ONE OF THE STRENGTH
POINTING OUT ONE OF THE STRENGTH HISTORICALLY OF THE COUNTRY IS
HISTORICALLY OF THE COUNTRY IS WE ARE A NATION OF IMMIGRANTS
WE ARE A NATION OF IMMIGRANTS AND I THINK IT WOULD BE HARD TO
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE HARD TO DENY THAT.
DENY THAT. SO LET ME ASK YOU, HAVE WE GONE
SO LET ME ASK YOU, HAVE WE GONE FROM A SITUATION WHERE, LIKE IT
FROM A SITUATION WHERE, LIKE IT SAYS IN THE STATUE OF LIBERTY,
SAYS IN THE STATUE OF LIBERTY, GIVE ME YOUR POOR, YOUR TIRED,
GIVE ME YOUR POOR, YOUR TIRED, YOUR HUDDLED MASSES TO A POINT
YOUR HUDDLED MASSES TO A POINT WHERE IT SAYS WE NEED TO KEEP A
WHERE IT SAYS WE NEED TO KEEP A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE OUT, AND
LOT OF THESE PEOPLE OUT, AND THERE SEEMS TO BE A SEA CHANGE,
THERE SEEMS TO BE A SEA CHANGE, A SHIFT FROM THE FORMER TO THE
A SHIFT FROM THE FORMER TO THE LATTER, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE
LATTER, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING THE LATTER IS KIND
YOU'RE SAYING THE LATTER IS KIND OF A DANGEROUS PLACE TO BE.
OF A DANGEROUS PLACE TO BE. >> WELL, THE HISTORY OF HIM
>> WELL, THE HISTORY OF HIM CONGRATULATION OF THE UNITED
CONGRATULATION OF THE UNITED STATES HAS ALSO BEEN A HISTORY
STATES HAS ALSO BEEN A HISTORY OF IGNORANCE, AND WHEN WE ARE
OF IGNORANCE, AND WHEN WE ARE IGNORANT OF A GROUP, WHETHER
IGNORANT OF A GROUP, WHETHER IT'S IRISH PEOPLE OR POLISH
IT'S IRISH PEOPLE OR POLISH PEOPLE OR AFRICAN AMERICANS OR
PEOPLE OR AFRICAN AMERICANS OR HISPANICS, WE TEND TO
HISPANICS, WE TEND TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THEM.
DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THEM. IN THE LATE 1800s YOU HAD THE
IN THE LATE 1800s YOU HAD THE CHINESE EXCLUSIONARY ACT WHICH
CHINESE EXCLUSIONARY ACT WHICH ESSENTIALLY ASSUMED ALL WOMEN OF
ESSENTIALLY ASSUMED ALL WOMEN OF ASIAN ORIGIN WERE PROSTITUTES
ASIAN ORIGIN WERE PROSTITUTES AND SO IT BANNED ASIAN WOMEN
AND SO IT BANNED ASIAN WOMEN FROM COMING TO THE UNITED
FROM COMING TO THE UNITED STATES.
STATES. IN THE EARLY 1900 FS THERE WAS A
IN THE EARLY 1900 FS THERE WAS A LARGE INFLUX OF EASTERN
LARGE INFLUX OF EASTERN EUROPEANS, SERKZ SERBS, CROATS.
EUROPEANS, SERKZ SERBS, CROATS. THERE WAS A LEGISLATION ACTION.
THERE WAS A LEGISLATION ACTION. ALL I SHALL ISSUE MEN WERE
ALL I SHALL ISSUE MEN WERE THOUGHT TO BE DRUNKS.
THOUGHT TO BE DRUNKS. THERE WAS ACTION AGAINST IRISH
THERE WAS ACTION AGAINST IRISH PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. WHENEVER YOU HAVE A LARGE INFLUX
WHENEVER YOU HAVE A LARGE INFLUX LIKE THAT, YOU HAVE IGNORANCE.
LIKE THAT, YOU HAVE IGNORANCE. HERE THE FACE OF IMMIGRATION,
HERE THE FACE OF IMMIGRATION, LIKE IT OR NOT, IS HISPANIC,
LIKE IT OR NOT, IS HISPANIC, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S MANY
EVEN THOUGH THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF PEOPLE FROM
DIFFERENT TYPES OF PEOPLE FROM MANY DIFFERENT COUNTRIES WHO ARE
MANY DIFFERENT COUNTRIES WHO ARE HERE BOTH LEGALLY AND ILLEGALLY.
HERE BOTH LEGALLY AND ILLEGALLY. AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO
AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT, FIRST OF ALL,
UNDERSTAND THAT, FIRST OF ALL, THE ANTIIMMIGRANT CROWD IS A
THE ANTIIMMIGRANT CROWD IS A MINORITY IN ITSELF.
MINORITY IN ITSELF. THEY TEND TO BE, AS ANGELA SAID,
THEY TEND TO BE, AS ANGELA SAID, THEY SEND TO BE EXTREME, BUT
THEY SEND TO BE EXTREME, BUT THEY ALSO TEND TO BE VERY VOCAL,
THEY ALSO TEND TO BE VERY VOCAL, AND THE GREAT MASS OF AMERICANS,
AND THE GREAT MASS OF AMERICANS, QUITE FRANKLY, THE GREAT MASS OF
QUITE FRANKLY, THE GREAT MASS OF HOOSIERS, BELIEVE IN ORDERLY,
HOOSIERS, BELIEVE IN ORDERLY, WHAT I WOULD CALL
WHAT I WOULD CALL CONSTITUTIONAL, HUMANE
CONSTITUTIONAL, HUMANE APPROACHES TO IMMIGRATION, AND
APPROACHES TO IMMIGRATION, AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN, AND THANKS TO
WHAT WE'VE SEEN, AND THANKS TO PEOPLE LIKE ANGELA AND OTHER
PEOPLE LIKE ANGELA AND OTHER ATTORNEYS, IS WE'VE SEEN A
ATTORNEYS, IS WE'VE SEEN A CHANGE SINCE 2006 TO JUST TWO
CHANGE SINCE 2006 TO JUST TWO MONTHS AGO WHEN THE SUPREME
MONTHS AGO WHEN THE SUPREME COURT REREFUSED TO TAKE UP THE
COURT REREFUSED TO TAKE UP THE ALABAMA APPEAL, WE'VE SEEN A
ALABAMA APPEAL, WE'VE SEEN A SLOW PROGRESSION OF WHAT I WOULD
SLOW PROGRESSION OF WHAT I WOULD CALL COMMON SENSE PRAGMATIC
CALL COMMON SENSE PRAGMATIC RULINGS BY THE FEDERAL CORDS
RULINGS BY THE FEDERAL CORDS THAT ARE COMING TO THE POINT
THAT ARE COMING TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE DEFINING WHAT IS
WHERE THEY'RE DEFINING WHAT IS CONSTITUTIONAL AND THEY'RE
CONSTITUTIONAL AND THEY'RE COMING DOWN ON THE SIDE OF
COMING DOWN ON THE SIDE OF SAYING ACROSS THE BOARD THAT
SAYING ACROSS THE BOARD THAT IMMIGRATION IS A FEDERAL AREA
IMMIGRATION IS A FEDERAL AREA FOR PURVIEW, NOT FOR THE STATES,
FOR PURVIEW, NOT FOR THE STATES, AND I THINK THAT IS ANOTHER SIGN
AND I THINK THAT IS ANOTHER SIGN OF HOPE.
OF HOPE. >> SO LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT.
>> SO LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT. I AM CURIOUS ABOUT ALL THREE OF
I AM CURIOUS ABOUT ALL THREE OF YOUR OPINIONS ON THIS.
YOUR OPINIONS ON THIS. THERE HAVE DEFINITELY BEEN
THERE HAVE DEFINITELY BEEN PEOPLE WHO HAVE SAID THIS IS A
PEOPLE WHO HAVE SAID THIS IS A FEDERAL ISSUE, WE NEED TO LET
FEDERAL ISSUE, WE NEED TO LET THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HANDLE IT
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HANDLE IT AND THE STATES STAY OUT.
AND THE STATES STAY OUT. THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE IN
THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE IN INDIANA WHO HAVE SAID, I THINK
INDIANA WHO HAVE SAID, I THINK INCLUDING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
INCLUDING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS SAID, CLEARLY THE FEDERAL
HAS SAID, CLEARLY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ISN'T DOING ENOUGH SO
GOVERNMENT ISN'T DOING ENOUGH SO WE IN INDIANA NEED TO STEP UP.
WE IN INDIANA NEED TO STEP UP. SO YOU HAVE THESE TWO GROUPS
SO YOU HAVE THESE TWO GROUPS THAT SEEM TO BE ADD AT ODDS
THAT SEEM TO BE ADD AT ODDS ABOUT WHOSE JOB IT IS TO FIX
ABOUT WHOSE JOB IT IS TO FIX WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE.
WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE. HOW DO WE GO ABOUT SOLVING WHO
HOW DO WE GO ABOUT SOLVING WHO IS GOING TO FIX IT IN THE FIRST
IS GOING TO FIX IT IN THE FIRST PLACE?
PLACE? AND THEN
AND THEN WAS ONE FOR 16 YEARS, TRUE EYE
WAS ONE FOR 16 YEARS, TRUE EYE TO LISTEN TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS,
TO LISTEN TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS, AND IT'S NO COINCIDENCE THAT A
AND IT'S NO COINCIDENCE THAT A LOT OF THE BACKLASH AGAINST
LOT OF THE BACKLASH AGAINST IMMIGRANTS HAS COME DURING BAD
IMMIGRANTS HAS COME DURING BAD ECONOMIC TIMES.
ECONOMIC TIMES. WHEN PEOPLE FEEL THREATENED,
WHEN PEOPLE FEEL THREATENED, THEIR PERSONAL SAFETY, THEIR JOB
THEIR PERSONAL SAFETY, THEIR JOB SECURITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT,
SECURITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THEY TEND TO LASH OUT AGAINST
THEY TEND TO LASH OUT AGAINST PEOPLE THEY DON'T KNOW AND
PEOPLE THEY DON'T KNOW AND PEOPLE THAT DON'T LOOK LIKE
PEOPLE THAT DON'T LOOK LIKE THEM.
THEM. I MEAN, LAST TIME I CHECKED
I MEAN, LAST TIME I CHECKED THERE WERE 55 TO 60,000 ILLEGAL
THERE WERE 55 TO 60,000 ILLEGAL IRISH MEN IN THE UNITED STATES,
IRISH MEN IN THE UNITED STATES, BUT I WOULD NEVER BE PULLED OVER
BUT I WOULD NEVER BE PULLED OVER AND ASKED TO PROVE THAT I WAS A
AND ASKED TO PROVE THAT I WAS A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES
CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES EVEN THOUGH MY NAME IS MURPHY
EVEN THOUGH MY NAME IS MURPHY AND I'M IRISH.
AND I'M IRISH. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS PEOPLE REACT
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS PEOPLE REACT AGAINST THAT.
AGAINST THAT. LEGISLATORS ARE REACTING TO THAT
LEGISLATORS ARE REACTING TO THAT REACTION.
REACTION. AND SO THEY ARE FRUSTRATED WITH
AND SO THEY ARE FRUSTRATED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND IT'S
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND IT'S CLEAR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS
CLEAR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS FAILED.
FAILED. SO THEY ARE REACTING TRYING TO
SO THEY ARE REACTING TRYING TO LEGISLATE IN AREAS THAT THEY
LEGISLATE IN AREAS THAT THEY HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO LEGISLATE.
HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO LEGISLATE. AND THE FEDERAL COURTS ARE
AND THE FEDERAL COURTS ARE SLOWLY REINING THEM IN.
SLOWLY REINING THEM IN. >> YOU MENTIONED A WHILE AGO IT
>> YOU MENTIONED A WHILE AGO IT WAS A VOCAL MINORITY OF PEOPLE
WAS A VOCAL MINORITY OF PEOPLE WHO WERE IN THE SEND THEM BACK
WHO WERE IN THE SEND THEM BACK CAMP.
CAMP. I WONDER, WE TALKED EARLIER
I WONDER, WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT A LAW THAT WAS PASSED BY,
ABOUT A LAW THAT WAS PASSED BY, LET'S FACE IT, A REPUBLICAN
LET'S FACE IT, A REPUBLICAN DOMINATED LEGISLATURE IN THE
DOMINATED LEGISLATURE IN THE STATE OF INDIANA, SAME THING IN
STATE OF INDIANA, SAME THING IN ARIZONA.
ARIZONA. DO YOU GET BLOW-BACK FROM YOUR
DO YOU GET BLOW-BACK FROM YOUR FORMER COLLEAGUES, I WOULD BE
FORMER COLLEAGUES, I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW, WHO ARE
INTERESTED TO KNOW, WHO ARE STILL IN THE LEGISLATURE WHO
STILL IN THE LEGISLATURE WHO SAY, MIKE, HOW CAN YOU BE SO
SAY, MIKE, HOW CAN YOU BE SO FORWARD AND SO PUBLIC ABOUT
FORWARD AND SO PUBLIC ABOUT BELIEVING THESE THINGS THAT WE
BELIEVING THESE THINGS THAT WE DON'T SEEM TO AT LEAST AS FAR AS
DON'T SEEM TO AT LEAST AS FAR AS OUR LEGISLATION IS CONCERNED?
OUR LEGISLATION IS CONCERNED? >> WELL, I DON'T SEE -- I DON'T
>> WELL, I DON'T SEE -- I DON'T WANT TO CRITICIZE THEM
WANT TO CRITICIZE THEM PERSONALLY BECAUSE THEY ALL HAVE
PERSONALLY BECAUSE THEY ALL HAVE THEIR OWN REASONS FOR DOING WHAT
THEIR OWN REASONS FOR DOING WHAT THEY DO AND I DON'T QUESTION
THEY DO AND I DON'T QUESTION THEIR MOTIVES BECAUSE I THINK
THEIR MOTIVES BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE ALL HONORABLE GENERALLY
THEY'RE ALL HONORABLE GENERALLY SPEAKING BUT I WILL TELL YOU IN
SPEAKING BUT I WILL TELL YOU IN 2006 WHEN I BEGAN THIS FIGHT I
2006 WHEN I BEGAN THIS FIGHT I BEGAN IT FOR TWO REASONS.
BEGAN IT FOR TWO REASONS. ONE IS I KNEW I WAS RIGHT, AS
ONE IS I KNEW I WAS RIGHT, AS ANGELA WOULD SAY, ON THE MORAL
ANGELA WOULD SAY, ON THE MORAL SIDE OF THE LAW, IF YOU READ
SIDE OF THE LAW, IF YOU READ MATHIEU 25, IT'S VERY CLEAR WHAT
MATHIEU 25, IT'S VERY CLEAR WHAT CHRISTIANS AND ALL RELIGIONS ARE
CHRISTIANS AND ALL RELIGIONS ARE REALLY CALLED TO DO IN THE WAY
REALLY CALLED TO DO IN THE WAY THEY'RE CALLED TO TREAT THEIR
THEY'RE CALLED TO TREAT THEIR NEIGHBORS.
NEIGHBORS. IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A PURELY
IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A PURELY POLITICAL STANDPOINT, ALL YOU
POLITICAL STANDPOINT, ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS LOOK 10, 15 YEARS
HAD TO DO WAS LOOK 10, 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, 20 YEARS DOWN THE
DOWN THE ROAD, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AT THE DEMOGRAPHIC, AND I
ROAD AT THE DEMOGRAPHIC, AND I KNEW AS A POLITICAL BEING ALSO
KNEW AS A POLITICAL BEING ALSO THAT IF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND
THAT IF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE
THE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE DIDN'T GET ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF
DIDN'T GET ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE TRENDS, WE WERE GOING TO BE
THE TRENDS, WE WERE GOING TO BE LONG-TERM LOSERS.
LONG-TERM LOSERS. SO MINE WAS BOTH A MORAL FIGHT,
SO MINE WAS BOTH A MORAL FIGHT, AND QUITE SELFISHLY A POLITICAL
AND QUITE SELFISHLY A POLITICAL FIGHT AS WELL.
FIGHT AS WELL. WHATTIVE '' SEEN IS MY FORMER
WHATTIVE '' SEEN IS MY FORMER FELLOW LEGISLATORS SLOWLY COMING
FELLOW LEGISLATORS SLOWLY COMING IN OUR DIRECTION.
IN OUR DIRECTION. GUYS AND LAZY WHO YOU WOULD LADO
GUYS AND LAZY WHO YOU WOULD LADO BE FAR TO THE RIGHT COMING TO ME
BE FAR TO THE RIGHT COMING TO ME QUIETLY AND SAYING I DIDN'T
QUIETLY AND SAYING I DIDN'T AGREE WITH YOU 6 YEARS AGO, I
AGREE WITH YOU 6 YEARS AGO, I FOUGHT AGAINST YOU BUT NOW FOR
FOUGHT AGAINST YOU BUT NOW FOR THIS REASON OR THAT REASON,
THIS REASON OR THAT REASON, BECAUSE I'VE COME TO KNOW A
BECAUSE I'VE COME TO KNOW A MEXICAN FAMILY IN MY CHURCH, OR
MEXICAN FAMILY IN MY CHURCH, OR BECAUSE OF -- I'VE COME TO SEE
BECAUSE OF -- I'VE COME TO SEE THAT MY FRIEND WHO IS AN
THAT MY FRIEND WHO IS AN EMPLOYER CAN'T HIRE THE RIGHT
EMPLOYER CAN'T HIRE THE RIGHT KIND OF PEOPLE UNLESS HE HAS
KIND OF PEOPLE UNLESS HE HAS THESE -- IMMIGRANTS, THEY'RE
THESE -- IMMIGRANTS, THEY'RE COMING AROUND SLOWLY, AND I
COMING AROUND SLOWLY, AND I THINK THE FEDERAL JUDGES ARE
THINK THE FEDERAL JUDGES ARE PUSHING THEM THAT WAY AND
PUSHING THEM THAT WAY AND SAYING, STAY OUT OF IT, LET THE
SAYING, STAY OUT OF IT, LET THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TAKE CARE OF
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TAKE CARE OF IT.
IT. >> YOU MENTIONED THE POLITICS OF
>> YOU MENTIONED THE POLITICS OF THE ISSUE.
THE ISSUE. I WONDER WHAT WE THINK ABOUT THE
I WONDER WHAT WE THINK ABOUT THE IDEA THAT THIS HAS BECOME SUCH A
IDEA THAT THIS HAS BECOME SUCH A POLITICAL FOOTBALL THAT GOES
POLITICAL FOOTBALL THAT GOES BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND
BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE
FORTH AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THIS GANG OF EIGHT PEOPLE, 4
THIS GANG OF EIGHT PEOPLE, 4 DEMOCRATS, FOUR REPUBLICANS,
DEMOCRATS, FOUR REPUBLICANS, TRYING TO FIND SOME SORT OF
TRYING TO FIND SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE.
COMPROMISE. DO WE NEED TO DEPOLITICIZE THIS
DO WE NEED TO DEPOLITICIZE THIS TO ACTUALLY FIND A REASONABLE
TO ACTUALLY FIND A REASONABLE SOLUTION THAT WORKS BOTH FOR THE
SOLUTION THAT WORKS BOTH FOR THE IMMIGRANTS AND FOR THE ECONOMY
IMMIGRANTS AND FOR THE ECONOMY AND FOR THE INDIVIDUAL STATES?
AND FOR THE INDIVIDUAL STATES? ANGELA, YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD
ANGELA, YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD YES.
YES. >> DEFINITELY.
>> DEFINITELY. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DEPOLITICIZED, BUT I DON'T THINK
DEPOLITICIZED, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE.
IT WILL BE. I THINK THAT AS -- IT'S
I THINK THAT AS -- IT'S POLITICS, AND IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
POLITICS, AND IT'S THAT SIMPLE. I THINK THAT POLITICS SOMETIMES
I THINK THAT POLITICS SOMETIMES TRANSLATES INTO IT'S THE RIGHT
TRANSLATES INTO IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, AND WHEN BOTH
THING TO DO, AND WHEN BOTH COINCIDE, THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL
COINCIDE, THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING.
THING. HOPEFULLY THAT'S WHAT WILL
HOPEFULLY THAT'S WHAT WILL HAPPEN HERE IS WE'LL SEE PEOPLE
HAPPEN HERE IS WE'LL SEE PEOPLE DOING SOMETHING POLITICAL THAT'S
DOING SOMETHING POLITICAL THAT'S ALSO THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
ALSO THE RIGHT THING TO DO. BUT I WANT -- I WANT TO ECHO
BUT I WANT -- I WANT TO ECHO SOMETHING THAT MIKE SAID THAT I
SOMETHING THAT MIKE SAID THAT I THINK IN GOING BACK TO ALSO TIM
THINK IN GOING BACK TO ALSO TIM THE DEFERRED ACTION FOR
THE DEFERRED ACTION FOR CHILDHOOD ARRIVALS, A LOT OF
CHILDHOOD ARRIVALS, A LOT OF THINGS HAVE HAPPENED RECENTLY
THINGS HAVE HAPPENED RECENTLY WHICH HAVE BROUGHT PEOPLE OUT OF
WHICH HAVE BROUGHT PEOPLE OUT OF THE SHADOWS, AND WHAT MIKE
THE SHADOWS, AND WHAT MIKE ALLUDED TO IS OUR LEGISLATORS A
ALLUDED TO IS OUR LEGISLATORS A COUPLE YEARS AGO MAY NEVER HAVE
COUPLE YEARS AGO MAY NEVER HAVE MET AN UNDOCUMENTED PERSON,
MET AN UNDOCUMENTED PERSON, THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE
THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE CRIMINALS, THOUGHT THAT THEY
CRIMINALS, THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE BAD -- YOU KNOW, AND THAT
WERE BAD -- YOU KNOW, AND THAT IS SLOWLY -- THE PERSPECTIVE IS
IS SLOWLY -- THE PERSPECTIVE IS CHANGING BECAUSE, AGAIN, THEY
CHANGING BECAUSE, AGAIN, THEY HAVE COME TO MEET SOMEONE, THEY
HAVE COME TO MEET SOMEONE, THEY HAVE MET VICTORIA, THE
HAVE MET VICTORIA, THE UNDOCUMENTED STUDENT THAT CAN'T
UNDOCUMENTED STUDENT THAT CAN'T GET IN-STATE TUITION, THEY HAVE
GET IN-STATE TUITION, THEY HAVE MET AN EMPLOYER WHO CAN'T FIX
MET AN EMPLOYER WHO CAN'T FIX THEIR EMPLOYEE'S IMMIGRATION
THEIR EMPLOYEE'S IMMIGRATION STATUS.
STATUS. SO BY BRINGING PEOPLE OUT OF THE
SO BY BRINGING PEOPLE OUT OF THE SHADOWS, DEFERRED ACTION HAS
SHADOWS, DEFERRED ACTION HAS REALLY ENABLED A LOT OF YOUNG
REALLY ENABLED A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE TO DO IS COME OUT AND
PEOPLE TO DO IS COME OUT AND TELL THEIR STORY.
TELL THEIR STORY. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A STORY
>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A STORY WHERE IT SOUND LIKE YOU ARE
WHERE IT SOUND LIKE YOU ARE DEALING WITH LAWMAKERS ONE BY
DEALING WITH LAWMAKERS ONE BY ONE BY ONE.
ONE BY ONE. YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH INDIVIDUAL
YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH INDIVIDUAL LAWMAKERS AND GET THI THEM TO CE
LAWMAKERS AND GET THI THEM TO CE TO YOUR SIDE.
TO YOUR SIDE. WHY HAVEN'T THERE BEEN GOOD
WHY HAVEN'T THERE BEEN GOOD ENOUGH ARGUMENTS TO GET THESE
ENOUGH ARGUMENTS TO GET THESE PEOPLE TO COME TO SOME SORT OF
PEOPLE TO COME TO SOME SORT OF UNDERSTANDING ON THAT?
UNDERSTANDING ON THAT? WHY IS THERE THIS SLOW
WHY IS THERE THIS SLOW DELIBERATIVE PROCESS THAT TEAMS
DELIBERATIVE PROCESS THAT TEAMS TO BE THE ONLY WAY TO BHAIK THIS
TO BE THE ONLY WAY TO BHAIK THIS HAPPEN?
HAPPEN? >> THERE'S IMPORTANT ISSUES
>> THERE'S IMPORTANT ISSUES HERE.
HERE. AND NO SIDE IS COMPLETELY RIGHT.
AND NO SIDE IS COMPLETELY RIGHT. AND THERE HAVE BEEN BIG FAILURES
AND THERE HAVE BEEN BIG FAILURES EVER SINCE THE 1986 ACT.
EVER SINCE THE 1986 ACT. THERE HAVE BEEN FAILURES, AND
THERE HAVE BEEN FAILURES, AND THERE HAVE BEEN ABUSES OF THE
THERE HAVE BEEN ABUSES OF THE SYSTEM, AND AS ANGELA WILL TELL
SYSTEM, AND AS ANGELA WILL TELL YOU, THE SYSTEM HAS NEVER BEEN
YOU, THE SYSTEM HAS NEVER BEEN QUITE RIGHT.
QUITE RIGHT. YOU HAVE ENOUGH VISAS IN ONE
YOU HAVE ENOUGH VISAS IN ONE AREA OR ANOTHER THING.
AREA OR ANOTHER THING. GOING BACK 50 OR 60 YEARS, THIS
GOING BACK 50 OR 60 YEARS, THIS IS NOT A LOT DIFFERENT THAN THE
IS NOT A LOT DIFFERENT THAN THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT.
CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. LYNDON JOHNSON WAS VERY OPPOSED
LYNDON JOHNSON WAS VERY OPPOSED TO RIFL SITES UNTIL HE REALIZED
TO RIFL SITES UNTIL HE REALIZED HE COULDN'T BECOME PRESIDENT
HE COULDN'T BECOME PRESIDENT UNLESS HE WAS FOR CIVIL RIGHTS.
UNLESS HE WAS FOR CIVIL RIGHTS. THEN HE SWIMPED HIS POSITION AND
THEN HE SWIMPED HIS POSITION AND BECAME THE GREAT HERO OF THE
BECAME THE GREAT HERO OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT.
CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. GO BACK AND READ HIS SPEECHES
GO BACK AND READ HIS SPEECHES FROM THE LATE '40s AND
FROM THE LATE '40s AND MID-'50s.
MID-'50s. HE WAS RESISTANT OF CIVIL
HE WAS RESISTANT OF CIVIL RIGHTS.
RIGHTS. >> LET MA ASK THIS.
>> LET MA ASK THIS. YOU SAY PEOPLE ARE COMING TO YOU
YOU SAY PEOPLE ARE COMING TO YOU SLOWLY AND QUIETLY AND
SLOWLY AND QUIETLY AND INDIVIDUALLY.
INDIVIDUALLY. YOU SAY THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE
YOU SAY THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WERE AGAINST THIS BEFORE
WHO WERE AGAINST THIS BEFORE THEY WERE FOR IT.
THEY WERE FOR IT. IS THIS A DISINGENUOUS THING.
IS THIS A DISINGENUOUS THING. ARE PEOPLE POLITICIZING THIS
ARE PEOPLE POLITICIZING THIS MORE BECAUSE THEY'RE WORRIED
MORE BECAUSE THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT WINNING AN ELECTION DOWN
ABOUT WINNING AN ELECTION DOWN THE LINE AND NOT REFORMING
THE LINE AND NOT REFORMING IMMIGRATION FOR THE BETTER.
IMMIGRATION FOR THE BETTER. >> I DON'T THINK THEY'RE
>> I DON'T THINK THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT POLITICS DOWN THE
THINKING ABOUT POLITICS DOWN THE LINE, BUT POLITICS NEXT YEAR.
LINE, BUT POLITICS NEXT YEAR. BUT SET THAT ASIDE, I THINK
BUT SET THAT ASIDE, I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL
THERE ARE PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL WHO ARE SINCERELY CONCERNED WHO
WHO ARE SINCERELY CONCERNED WHO ARE SLOWLY HAVING THE VEIL OF
ARE SLOWLY HAVING THE VEIL OF IGNORANCE LIFTED FROM THEIR
IGNORANCE LIFTED FROM THEIR FACES.
FACES. AS ANGELA SAID IT'S BECAUSE THEY
AS ANGELA SAID IT'S BECAUSE THEY MEET A WOMAN LIKE VICTORIA WHO I
MEET A WOMAN LIKE VICTORIA WHO I THINK IS FROM ELLETSVILLE --
THINK IS FROM ELLETSVILLE -- >> BLOOMINGTON.
>> BLOOMINGTON. >> SHE FROM RIGHT NEAR HERE.
>> SHE FROM RIGHT NEAR HERE. SHE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS IN THE
SHE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS IN THE LEGISLATURE HAS BEEN A VERY
LEGISLATURE HAS BEEN A VERY POWERFUL, ARTICULATE VOICE.
POWERFUL, ARTICULATE VOICE. AND WE'VE SEEN VERY CONSERVATIVE
AND WE'VE SEEN VERY CONSERVATIVE LEGISLATORS LISTEN TO HER AND
LEGISLATORS LISTEN TO HER AND THEN GO BACK AND RETHINK THEIR
THEN GO BACK AND RETHINK THEIR POSITIONS WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE
POSITIONS WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE TO DO.
TO DO. THEY'RE THERE TO LISTEN TO ALL
THEY'RE THERE TO LISTEN TO ALL SIDES AND THINK THEIR POSITIONS
SIDES AND THINK THEIR POSITIONS THROUGH AND TO THEIR CREDIT THEY
THROUGH AND TO THEIR CREDIT THEY HAVE NOT LET THEIR PREVIOUS
HAVE NOT LET THEIR PREVIOUS POSITIONS OR ENTRENCHED
POSITIONS OR ENTRENCHED PHILOSOPHIES DICTATE THEIR VOTE
PHILOSOPHIES DICTATE THEIR VOTE IN THE LONG RUN.
IN THE LONG RUN. THAT'S ENCOURAGING.
THAT'S ENCOURAGING. I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE MORE
I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE MORE AND MORE OF THAT.
AND MORE OF THAT. >> AND ALSO, SORRY TO INTERRUPT,
>> AND ALSO, SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT THEY'RE REALIZING THAT
BUT THEY'RE REALIZING THAT PEOPLE IN VICTORIA'S FAMILY ARE
PEOPLE IN VICTORIA'S FAMILY ARE CONSTITUENTS.
CONSTITUENTS. SO VICTORIA'S PARENTS ARE
SO VICTORIA'S PARENTS ARE CONSTITUENTS.
CONSTITUENTS. HER FATHER IS A U.S. CITIZEN.
HER FATHER IS A U.S. CITIZEN. THERE ARE MANY MIXED STATUS
THERE ARE MANY MIXED STATUS FAMILIES WHO ARE A COMBINATION
FAMILIES WHO ARE A COMBINATION OF UNLAWFUL STATUS, PERMANENT
OF UNLAWFUL STATUS, PERMANENT RESIDENCY, IMMIGRATION --
RESIDENCY, IMMIGRATION -- WHATEVER.
WHATEVER. SO A COUPLE MEMBERS OF THE
SO A COUPLE MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY WILL BE VOTING, AND
FAMILY WILL BE VOTING, AND ARE -- THEIR VOICES NEED TO BE
ARE -- THEIR VOICES NEED TO BE HEARD.
HEARD. SO THEY'RE RECOGNIZING THAT THE
SO THEY'RE RECOGNIZING THAT THE VOTING POPULATION -- THEIR
VOTING POPULATION -- THEIR ACTUAL CONSTITUENCIES ARE
ACTUAL CONSTITUENCIES ARE IMPACTED.
IMPACTED. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO MENTION,
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO MENTION, TALKING ABOUT BRINGING PEOPLE
TALKING ABOUT BRINGING PEOPLE OUT OF THE SHADOWS, I ALSO THINK
OUT OF THE SHADOWS, I ALSO THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT JUST FOR
THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT JUST FOR THE CONSTITUENT BECAUSE, YOU
THE CONSTITUENT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, POLITICIANS ARE CONSTANTLY
KNOW, POLITICIANS ARE CONSTANTLY WORRIED THAT THEIR VOTERS ARE
WORRIED THAT THEIR VOTERS ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE THE CHANGE
NOT GOING TO LIKE THE CHANGE THAT'S GOING ON.
THAT'S GOING ON. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO ADVOCATE
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO ADVOCATE TO THE CONSTITUENTS AND TO YOUR
TO THE CONSTITUENTS AND TO YOUR AVERAGE CITIZEN, YOUR AVERAGE
AVERAGE CITIZEN, YOUR AVERAGE RESIDENT OF INDIANAPOLIS OR
RESIDENT OF INDIANAPOLIS OR INDIANA, AND I THINK BY DOING
INDIANA, AND I THINK BY DOING THAT, BY BRINGING THEM OUT OF
THAT, BY BRINGING THEM OUT OF THE SHADOWS PEOPLE CAN SEE THOSE
THE SHADOWS PEOPLE CAN SEE THOSE STORIES OF THE VICTIMIZATION
STORIES OF THE VICTIMIZATION THAT MIGHT HAPPEN WHILE PEOPLE
THAT MIGHT HAPPEN WHILE PEOPLE ARE INVISIBLE HERE.
ARE INVISIBLE HERE. SO I THINK TALKING ABOUT
SO I THINK TALKING ABOUT TRACKING PEOPLE, I THINK THAT'S
TRACKING PEOPLE, I THINK THAT'S NOT ONLY GOOD FOR THE UNITED
NOT ONLY GOOD FOR THE UNITED STATES, INDIANA, BUT IT'S ALSO
STATES, INDIANA, BUT IT'S ALSO GOOD FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY
GOOD FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY CAN -- THEY'RE NO LONGER
CAN -- THEY'RE NO LONGER VICTIMIZED BY THE POLICE OFFICER
VICTIMIZED BY THE POLICE OFFICER OR BY OTHER PEOPLE.
OR BY OTHER PEOPLE. >> LET ME ASK YOU, TIM, I HAVE
>> LET ME ASK YOU, TIM, I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS FOR A
BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS FOR A FEW MINUTES, DO YOU EVER FEEL
FEW MINUTES, DO YOU EVER FEEL FROM THE CHARITABLE SIDE OF
FROM THE CHARITABLE SIDE OF THINGS THAT YOU ARE SORT OF
THINGS THAT YOU ARE SORT OF CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE HERE
CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE HERE BETWEEN WANTING TO HELP PEOPLE
BETWEEN WANTING TO HELP PEOPLE AND WHATEVER THE POLITICAL
AND WHATEVER THE POLITICAL CLIMATE IS?
CLIMATE IS? DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU'RE KIND OF
DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU'RE KIND OF JUST WAITING TO SEE HOW THE
JUST WAITING TO SEE HOW THE SANDS SHIFT BENEATH YOU?
SANDS SHIFT BENEATH YOU? >> YEAH, WE -- YOU KNOW, I WILL
>> YEAH, WE -- YOU KNOW, I WILL TELL PEOPLE, WE OPERATE WITHIN
TELL PEOPLE, WE OPERATE WITHIN THE LAW.
THE LAW. THAT'S MY JOB.
THAT'S MY JOB. ON A NATIONAL LEVEL, OF COURSE,
ON A NATIONAL LEVEL, OF COURSE, WE ARWE'RE AFFILIATED WITH CATHC
WE ARWE'RE AFFILIATED WITH CATHC CHARITIES U.S., UNITED STATES
CHARITIES U.S., UNITED STATES COUNCIL OF BISHOPS, WE'RE
COUNCIL OF BISHOPS, WE'RE AFFILIATED WITH NATIONAL
AFFILIATED WITH NATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT TO LOBBY FOR
ORGANIZATIONS THAT TO LOBBY FOR HUMANE ACTIONS FOR -- NOT
HUMANE ACTIONS FOR -- NOT NECESSARILY CONDONING UNLAWFUL
NECESSARILY CONDONING UNLAWFUL PRESENCE BUT CONDONING AND
PRESENCE BUT CONDONING AND ADVOCATING FOR HUMANE WAYS OF
ADVOCATING FOR HUMANE WAYS OF BRINGING THIS TO LIGHT.
BRINGING THIS TO LIGHT. SO, YEAH, I DO FEEL LIKE WE'RE
SO, YEAH, I DO FEEL LIKE WE'RE SORT OF STUCK IN THE MIDDLE.
SORT OF STUCK IN THE MIDDLE. WE DON'T DO A LOT OF THE
WE DON'T DO A LOT OF THE ADVOCACY.
ADVOCACY. WE LEAVE THAT UP TO OUR
WE LEAVE THAT UP TO OUR AFFILIATES.
AFFILIATES. SO WE STICK WITH WHATEVER THE
SO WE STICK WITH WHATEVER THE LAW SAYS NOW WE DO IT.
LAW SAYS NOW WE DO IT. BUT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE
BUT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME IN THAT AT THIS POINT
THAT COME IN THAT AT THIS POINT WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING FOR THEM.
WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING FOR THEM. I SEND THEM TO ANGELA.
I SEND THEM TO ANGELA. >> I THINK THAT'S THE SITUATION
>> I THINK THAT'S THE SITUATION THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE A
THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN WHERE IT'S --
LOT OF PEOPLE IN WHERE IT'S -- YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF COMPLEX
YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF COMPLEX MECHANISMS THAT PEOPLE FIT INTO,
MECHANISMS THAT PEOPLE FIT INTO, ONE SPACE OR ANOTHER, OR INDEED
ONE SPACE OR ANOTHER, OR INDEED FIT IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT
FIT IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AND IT'S TOUGH TO
CATEGORIES AND IT'S TOUGH TO MAKE INDIVIDUAL CHOICES FOR EACH
MAKE INDIVIDUAL CHOICES FOR EACH PERSON.
PERSON. BUT I THANK THE THREE OF YOU FOR
BUT I THANK THE THREE OF YOU FOR BEING HERE AND HELPING US TO
BEING HERE AND HELPING US TO COPE WITH SOME OF THE ISSUES.
COPE WITH SOME OF THE ISSUES. ONE OF THESE TOPICS THAT'S GOING
ONE OF THESE TOPICS THAT'S GOING TO STAY AROUND, IT'S GOING TO BE
TO STAY AROUND, IT'S GOING TO BE POLITICALLY INTERESTING, IT'S
POLITICALLY INTERESTING, IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING FOR HOW
GOING TO BE INTERESTING FOR HOW THE MAKE-UP OF INDIANA CHANGES.
THE MAKE-UP OF INDIANA CHANGES. THANKS TO ALL THREE OF YOU FOR
THANKS TO ALL THREE OF YOU FOR HELPING US OUT WITH THAT.
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