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GLORIA: Hello, everybody. I'm Gloria Copeland, and
welcome to the Believer's Voice of Victory. Kellie
is with us again today, and she is going to be
expounding some very good Word, so don't miss any of it.
Welcome, Kellie. KELLIE: Thank you, Mom. Thank you for letting
me be with you last week-- GLORIA: We enjoy having you.
KELLIE: --and this week. If you didn't catch last week with us,
you missed some good nuggets and some good things God is showing
us about-- GLORIA: Yes. KELLIE: --who we are and what's on the
inside of us. GLORIA: Praise God. KELLIE: This week we're
talking about the glory. GLORIA: Oh, I like that. KELLIE: That
glory, we are heirs. You know, you hear the phrase "heirs of
the glory," and-- GLORIA: Praise God. KELLIE: --it sounds--it
sounds too good to be true. "Heirs of the glory," what does
that mean? Well, He put the glory in us. He put His Spirit
in us and He wants it to come out. That was His idea, not
ours. GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: It's not--wasn't our
idea to be lifted-- GLORIA: It's a great idea. His idea. KELLIE:
--up to the place with God. It wasn't our idea to make us
filled with the Spirit. That was His idea because He loves us so
much. GLORIA: Thank You, Lord. KELLIE: So we left off yesterday
talking about when we turn to Jesus. Mother, you brought out
from II Corinthians 3, you talked about looking in the
mirror, about the reflection of the mirror. When we turn to Him
and we see Him, we begin to reflect Him. And it's not--
GLORIA: Praise God. And that's the will of God. KELLIE: It is
the will of God. It was His idea, again. And it's not so
much that we work so hard to look like Jesus. We just have to
look at Him, and let Him work on us. GLORIA: We get born again.
KELLIE: And do what He tells us to do. You know, Hebrews 12 is
really clear about that. If you want to run the race with
endurance, it says keep your eyes on Him. GLORIA: Yeah,
absolutely. KELLIE: He endured the cross, disregarding the
shame. Well, today He's asking us, "Disregard, don't allow
shame in your life," because He paid the price for it. He didn't
even allow it to become part of His thinking, that the shame of
the cross for Him was being separated from the Father.
GLORIA: He did that for us. KELLIE: Well, that is--that is
the very essence of what shame is and what it does, is it
separates you from the presence of the Father. Well, Jesus did
that for us. So we don't ever, ever, ever-- GLORIA: Praise God.
KELLIE: It is not His will that we are ever out of His presence.
That's why He put His Spirit on the inside of us. GLORIA: That's
right. Hallelujah. KELLIE: And He told us to look at that, keep
your eye on that. Jesus is the instigator and the developer of
our faith. And the Lord sends correction and help to us. Mom,
real quick, I have some places that we're going today, but I
want to--I just believe the Lord wants me to read from The
Message for Hebrews 12, so that we don't misunderstand, when He
brings correction to us, that He's being our Father. He's not
abandoned us. You know, a father that won't correct his
children, that's abandonment. GLORIA: A father that won't
correct his children will end up with little jerks. KELLIE: (Both
Laugh) Now, that is the wisdom of God. That was good, Mother.
That's the truth. And you know what? He ends up with kids that
are messed up. GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: And that's not what the
Father has for us or wants for us. I love the way The Message
puts it in Hebrews 12. He says--He starts talking about
correction. He says, "Have you forgotten how good parents treat
children, and that God regards you as his children? Don't shrug
off God's discipline, but don't be crushed by it either. It's
the child he loves he disciplines--" GLORIA: That's
right. KELLIE: "--it's the child he embraces that he also
corrects." Correction comes in His presence. His presence comes
from allowing Him to correct you, because if you run from His
presence when He's making things right in your life, you're the
one turning your back on His presence. It's not Him. He's not
turning His back on you. God is educating. That's why you must
never drop out. He's treating you as dear children. The
trouble you're in isn't punishment, it's training, the
normal experience of children. GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: I
know if you've watched me on the broadcast much at all this last
year, you've heard me read this, but it's just good to remind
ourselves. "Only irresponsible parents leave children to fend
for themselves." GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: Would you prefer
an irresponsible God? I'm going to skip down here, it says, "At
the time this point isn't much fun, it always feels like it's
going against the grain. Later, of course, it pays off
handsomely. That's the fruit of being in His presence. For it's
the well-trained who find themselves mature in their
relationship with God." So it says, "Don't sit around on your
hands, no more dragging your feet." It says in--let me skip
down here to Verse 18. "Unlike your ancestors, you didn't come
to Mount Sinai." Now, we've talked about the children of
Israel. And their attitude that they came to His presence with
was one of fear. And they ran from His voice. He's just trying
to have a--you know, we call it--parents call it a
"come-to-Jesus" meeting. He's just trying to say, "Hey, okay,
chickies, gather in. You've had--you've been in a mess in
Egypt." GLORIA: "Listen to me." KELLIE: "Now let me give you the
new rules of the house. This is how it goes. You don't ever have
to look at anybody else but me. I'm your God." GLORIA: Amen.
KELLIE: And this is the heart with which He's addressing then
His children, but boy, they just--they didn't have any of
it. They said, "Moses, you talk to Him. We don't want to talk to
Him." GLORIA: We don't want to think about not wanting to talk
to Him. KELLIE: How horrible to do your Father that way. "Unlike
your ancestors, you didn't come to Mount Sinai--all that
volcanic blaze and earthshaking rumble--to hear God speak. The
earsplitting words and soul-shaking message terrified
them and they begged him to stop. When they heard the words
that God spoke to them, they were afraid to move. Even Moses
was terrified. But that's not your experience at all. You have
come to Mount Zion, the city where the living God resides."
Where is that? Right here. He is right here. It says--Verse 25
says, "Don't turn a deaf ear to these gracious words. If those
who ignored earthly warnings didn't get away with it, what
will happen to us if we turn our backs on heavenly warnings? His
voice that time shook the earth to its foundation; this
time--he's told us quite plainly--he will also rock the
heavens." Don't be afraid of that, because this is what's
going on. "'One last shaking, top to bottom, stem to stern.'
The phrase, 'one last shaking' means a thorough housecleaning."
GLORIA: What's that? KELLIE: Maybe you felt like, God, it
seems like everything in my life was going pretty smoothly, and
suddenly, it just feels like everything is upside-down. Or
stuff about this person or that person, or my business or my
ministry, or this, it just feels like everything is just being
exposed that I didn't even know was there, and just-- GLORIA:
That's good. KELLIE: --feel like everything is getting naked in
front of God. It's easy to go, "I don't like this. Make it
stop," because it's uncomfortable. We talked about
that last week. But you know what? He is shaking us. If it
feels that way, it's because He's shaking things upside-down
a little bit. What's He doing? Thorough housekeeping. Don't
resist it. Run to it. Run to His Word and realize that any
exposure-- GLORIA: It's an honor and a privilege to be corrected.
KELLIE: Yes. GLORIA: He's trying to get you--you're over here,
say, in the past over here, He's trying to get you to come this
way and go-- KELLIE: That way. GLORIA: --where the blessing is.
KELLIE: Yes. That's good, Mom. GLORIA: That's what the Lord
told the children of Israel, "Do these things and you'll be
blessed." KELLIE: And that's where He wants us. GLORIA: But
they didn't do that. KELLIE: And in these days, He's shaking us
all, I believe, right now in the church, cleaning house, getting
rid of all--He doesn't want to get rid of us. He wants to get
rid of all the junk. GLORIA: Spots and wrinkles. KELLIE: So
that the unshakable essentials--think about that,
what God says is important. We focus a lot on other stuff, but
He's shaking all of it down to where only the essentials are
clear. Wouldn't you love it if God, Jesus, just sat in your
kitchen and said, "Kellie--" GLORIA: I would. KELLIE:
"--these are the essentials. Don't worry about all this other
stuff. This is what's important. I'll focus here. You're going to
come out all right." And it became so clear-- GLORIA: Amen.
KELLIE: --what Jesus was telling you. That's what He's doing.
It's just as clear when-- GLORIA: Praise God. KELLIE:
--you latch in to what He's saying to you, as if Jesus is
sitting at your table. Because He--He wants to sit at your
table with you. We're--I believe we'll get a chance to read that
in the Word. But it says they "stand clear and uncluttered."
Do you see what we've got? An unshakable Kingdom. God does not
want you--Satan to have access to your life, your family--
GLORIA: Nope. KELLIE: --your world, your business, your
ministry, to those around you. He wants you to exist and stand
in an unshakable--His unshakable kingdom. Do you see how thankful
we must be? Not only thankful, but brimming, overflowing with
worship. GLORIA: Praise God. KELLIE: You know, just if--if
you can't--the Lord said to me this last year, "If you can't be
overwhelmed, then worship." If you can't be overwhelmed and in
service, or even in your bedroom at night, or in your house or in
your car, if God can't overwhelm you at the drop of a hat, you're
too big. And I don't want to be too big. I don't want to be too
big and so in control that God can't overwhelm me with worship.
It says, "God is not an indifferent bystander." Don't
you like that? GLORIA: Mm-hmm. KELLIE: He is not an indifferent
bystander. He is actively cleaning house, torching all
that needs to be burned. And He won't quit until it's all
cleansed. God Himself is fire. So, when we begin to do these
things that we've talked about the last week, week before,
we're turning our gaze on Jesus. And Hebrews 12 says, "Look to
Him," consider Him, focus on Him so you can "run the race with
endurance." We taught that, Mom, on the broadcast from September.
We were talking about running your race with endurance and
having faith to make it-- GLORIA: Don't quit. KELLIE:
--through to where you do what we read yesterday in II
Corinthians 3, you begin to look in that mirror. And I started
saying this today: It's not so much that you have to work so
hard to change. The Lord who is the Spirit--what did He say?
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there's freedom." When we
look at Him, like looking in a mirror, and we see Him reflected
back, He makes us more and more like Him as we are changed into
His glorious image. GLORIA: Amen. KELLIE: So He is--He is
after you. He is after your family. And as we all come into
this place, I believe we're going to get a lot easier to
deal with each other. (Laughs) GLORIA: That's true. KELLIE:
Because we all turn in to Him-- GLORIA: I'm sure. KELLIE:
--there's going to be less conflict. There really will be,
and in your family, in your church, in your ministry. Get
your eyes off of yourself. Get your eyes off of your
circumstances and look to Him because He's faithful.
Uncover--allow Him to uncover stuff on the inside of you. You
can trust Him. You know, it all comes down--when you start
following these things, and you start looking at Him and putting
yourself in His presence, Mom, He becomes your hope. He becomes
the One that you look at. And you may--there may be all this
stuff going on in your life, but you suddenly get able to see
Him, to see His image of you, to see His image of your family.
And even though you don't know how He's going to get you from
here all the way to where you look-- GLORIA: He can do it.
KELLIE: --and your circumstances look like Him, you know when
you're confident in Him. And He'll tell you step-by-step, but
you already have faith and hope in Him. "You've got this, Lord,
walk me through it." You almost don't even need to know what's
next. GLORIA: That's called faith. KELLIE: Because you so
know He's got you. He has got you. That's the unshakable--
GLORIA: Praise God. KELLIE: --kingdom. So today, I want to
just-- GLORIA: "We having--" This says in 13, "We having the
same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed,
therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak."
Hallelujah. KELLIE: Amen. GLORIA: That's II Corinthian
4:13. KELLIE: And in believing, Mom, we're putting our eyes on
Him. GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: We're putting our eyes on His Word,
choosing to believe it. Putting our eyes on Him, choosing to
believe it. I want to read a few Scriptures to you to tell you
how much you can trust Him, and how faithful He is. In Psalm
86--remember, this is the Old Testament now, and these are
promises to them. These are promises that they didn't quite
see yet, but they're promises. So in Psalm 86:5, it says, "O
Lord, you are so good, so ready to forgive, so full of unfailing
love for all who ask for your help." GLORIA: Yes. KELLIE:
"Listen closely to my prayer, O Lord; hear my urgent cry. I will
call to you whenever I'm in trouble, and you will answer
me." You know, you can trust Him if you're in trouble today. If
you've got circumstances in your body, in your family, in your
own life, in your own heart, you may even--all of your outer
circumstances may look great and like, man, she's got it going
on, so much so that it causes you to be afraid or ashamed to
expose or look at something on the inside of you. Maybe you're
not--like you see all this great stuff but don't feel that way on
the inside. It feels like something's wrong. Don't be
afraid to show that to the Lord. Don't be afraid to let Him
direct you and take that, take that care and put it on His
shoulders. That's what He--He came to do. It says, You're
"ready to forgive--" Listen to this phrase: "--so full of
unfailing love." Remember that phrase. Now, let's look at Psalm
92. GLORIA: What was that last Scripture? KELLIE: That was
Psalm 86:5. Wasn't that good? GLORIA: So full. Yeah, I like
that. KELLIE: He's so ready to forgive, but what do you have to
do? Ask for help. You have to come to Him for help. It
doesn't--it's just not automatic. You have to ask. You
have to receive, I should say. Psalm 92 says, "It is good to
give thanks to the Lord, to sing praises to the Most High. It is
good--" I started doing this last year, and I've got--I
talked about it on the broadcast last year, from Psalm 92, and I
got notes and letters and messages from people saying, "I
started doing that every day." "It is good to proclaim your
unfailing love in the morning--" GLORIA: Mm. KELLIE: "--your
faithfulness in the evening." GLORIA: Praise God. KELLIE: So
what I say to the Lord in the mornings like, you know, getting
ready, going to school, taking Emily to school, I say, "Lord,
all I have in front of me today is your unfailing love. I
proclaim it today. You love me. Your love doesn't fail me--"
GLORIA: Oh, no. KELLIE: "--no matter what is ahead of me. Your
unfailing love is ahead of me." GLORIA: Praise the Lord. KELLIE:
"And I thank You for it." And then I pray and plead the blood
of Jesus and all that over Emily. But that's a wonderful
thing to proclaim that you know His unfailing love is ahead of
you. Then listen to this: "Your faithfulness in the evening." So
when I talk to the Lord in the evening, you can say, Wow,
Lord." You know, I talk to my children, "He was so faithful.
God was so faithful." You're proclaiming how faithful He was
to you during--all day long, He was faithful to you. GLORIA:
Mm-hmm. KELLIE: And He is--has unfailing love for us, and He is
faithful. Look at--now, listen to this, Mom. Just so we can put
a name on it, John 1:14, it says--is that I John 1? John
a name on it, John 1:14, it says--is that I John 1? John
1--oh, I'm looking at Chapter 14. That doesn't work. Okay.
John 1:14, "So the Word became human," or became flesh, "and
made his home among us." GLORIA: Yes. KELLIE: Doesn't that
express what we've been talking about for two weeks? "He was--"
Look at this phrase. "He was full of unfailing love and
faithfulness." When He made His home among us, He brings with
Him unfailing love, faithfulness. "And we have seen
His glory, the glory of the Father's one and only Son."
GLORIA: Praise God. KELLIE: That is the treasure in us. GLORIA:
Mm. KELLIE: He, Jesus, expressed by His Spirit, is on the inside
of us. And what is Jesus telling us? He's telling us, "You have a
Father. You're not abandoned. You know, you don't need all of
this other stuff to affirm Me. You don't need people to be your
affirmation. You don't need husband, wife, parents." I mean,
it's wonderful when we affirm each other and we are there for
each other, but sometimes that's not the case. But you know who
you have affirming, that you have a Father? The Spirit on the
inside-- GLORIA: Praise God. KELLIE: --affirms. Romans 8 says
that we have a Father. Abba Father. He's the Spirit on the
inside, and that's His message to you. You know, Mom, when I
think about Mary and Martha--I just have a few minutes here,
but I want to bring up Mary and Martha because, you know,
Martha--here Martha is, she has got a lot to do. And we've all
been there. They're the perfect example, I think, of looking
at--what you're going to gaze upon, what you're going to look
at. You're going to look at all the circumstances, all the
stuff, you're going to look at your own inability, or you're
going to look to Him? And she's like, Jesus--it's funny, too,
because we can go to Jesus, when we start looking at our own
lack, we start--if you're not looking at Jesus as being the
answer and you're so consumed with your own lack of--for
whatever the situation you're in, you start going to Jesus
about everybody else, "Jesus, would you talk to her? Would you
talk to my kids? Jesus, would you talk to my husband? Would
you talk to my wife? Would you talk to my Mom? My Dad? They're
not helping. They're not doing this." You start putting your
hope on others. GLORIA: Yep. KELLIE: Even though you're going
to Jesus, which I guess is better than not going to Him at
all because at least you get an answer from Him. GLORIA: That's
right. KELLIE: But when you go to Him and you find yourself
complaining about everybody else, what's He going to talk to
you about? He's going to talk to you about you. Ha-ha. And so,
she's like, "She's not helping. I've got all these people to
feed. She's not helping me at all. Can you tell her to help
me?" And Jesus says, "Martha, Martha." Now, I know He said it
with love. And He didn't say it like "You're in trouble,"
because if He did He would have said, "Martha Joanne," or
whatever her middle name is, because when you're in trouble
it's your first name and your middle name. Right? Kellie--my
middle name is Dee-- GLORIA: Kellie Dee. KELLIE: --"Kellie
Dee," that means you're in trouble. But when it's "Kellie
Kellie," "Martha Martha--" GLORIA: Yes. That's right.
KELLIE: He said Mary has chosen that one thing. GLORIA: That
good part. KELLIE: That good part, the thing that she really
needed. Where does she have her eyes? She was fixed on Jesus as
the answer. Now, we know Jesus could have, you know, multiplied
the food, and He had lots of different ways to bring what
they needed. But what they really needed, what Martha
really needed, was Jesus. And I've thought many times this--as
God has done so much to change me, I mean, change my heart,
change my soul--maybe you've heard me talk about how He
changed me where worship is concerned. He just poured it
out. I mean, I just had this--as I was looking to Him, Mom, He
began changing me, like we read in II Corinthians. I didn't have
to work at becoming a worshiper. I just was looking at Him and
became a worshiper. GLORIA: Yeah, amen. KELLIE: And so with
Mary, she was sitting at His feet. To me, that represents
worship. She was sitting at His feet, but she was looking at His
face. GLORIA: Mm, that's good. KELLIE: And that's where the
glory is. When you begin to look at His face, and to me, that
also represents what He's saying; his face. She was
listening to His words, and sitting at His feet. And by
looking at His face, she is not looking at--gazing to the right,
gazing to the left. She's looking in the mirror. Like II
Corinthians 3 says when you--the veil is removed. Martha was
veiled. She had stuff blocking her from seeing Jesus. But as
she was--as Mary was looking at Jesus, there was nothing between
her and Jesus. She's looking right at His face. And she was
changing. Amen. That's what He has for us when we look at Him.
GLORIA: Praise God. KELLIE: It's not hard.
GLORIA: Thank you, Lord. Kellie and I'll be right back.