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joining his attorney mike pap antonio cohost of ring of fire radio great to
have you back on the show i want to talk about some of the commentary you've been
doing about the future of the republican party it seemed for i don't know maybe
like five minutes after the twenty twelve election that republicans maybe
were
accepting that the right wing social agenda majors not have long-term appeal
to voters and maybe they need to change their views on some things
and then it seemed like the focus shifted to just figuring out ways to
continue gerrymandering in changing how electoral votes are counted kind of not
accepting that there's a problem with the platform
what's your sense of that and also talk a little bit about where the tea party
fits into this if at all
well you know if you have leadership in the party still in denial david you've
got uh...
you got a couple people like uh... call role of a you know he's if he's his new
effort of course is to uh...
to to to go ahead and do battle with the tea party because he understands that
in his mind at least he thinks the tea party is is the critical factor on why
republicans are getting trounced
uh... if you is realistic with himself he'd understand that the same thing you
and i never by the talks about demographics understand is is far more
than simply uh... couple lunatic tea party
types coming in and making it difficult for even moderate public ans
to uh... to be elected
uh... that the republicans made a terrible mistake and that is they got
sucked into the tea party crazy talk too quickly without ever reflecting wanted
me to move along ron
in the long run what it meant israeli native women dalin minorities alienated
uh... dot the labor movement they weigh in
bridge where about a below forty years old
and so you don't use change that quickly that doesn't just turn around so
when you can't change something quickly what ends up happening of is part of
that group who can't
deal with that reality they go into their alternative reality they go into
denial of the denial is
we're gonna change politics simply by gerrymandering at our everybody out of
business changing the lead toward college votes
in that if we do all these underhanded corrupt things that were there were
already associated with as republicans people think of the republican brand is
corrupt
if we continue to be corrupt
we're going to be ok nothing for the from the truth well you're right that
there are some republicans who understand what seemed to be pretty
clear numbers 'cause when you look at fair polling on a number of issues
should the government provides and basic level of health care to everybody
on abortion for the first time we have over fifty percent believing that
abortion should basically be legal in almost all cases uh... gun control the
seventy eighty ninety percent of americans support individually most of
the obon law gun control proposals gay marriage now more than fifty percent of
americans believe that that at least civil unions should be legal these
numbers don't bode well
for the standard republican social agenda but i just don't see
anybody coming down and saying you know what as republicans we no longer have
these views i just don't see it
that is so it made the whole there's this thing plays out this a it because
it is the whole picture plays out
you you understand it bears and whole movement within what used to be very
very much the republican establishment
that now they they've tried to label it the no labels mu
what we are members of the no labels movement and you've got people enjoy
scarborough in uh...
all the folks from daily beast in the in there makes a couple of of democrats who
come forward and said you know gee ***
uh... we're getting twelve sd from the label standpoint in these no label
people are smart enough to understand what we have to do is not talk about
labels anymore we can talk about the tea bag republican we can talk about how
crazy their concepts or
ended this movement in that movement
or the moderates
in that movement or the moderates who understand we have to shift
unfortunately
that fox news group
and the the the team bag movement the code brother movement has been so
successful and so strong
that they've moved them so far to the right that they know where he was kind
of movement detected that no labels movement david is
we're not republicans had not been repressed
further
that's good politics but those are the same people who helped create
the disaster
called the tea party in india and they have to live with this thing it seems
devouring
i want to talk about two states and i want dot honest opinion from you not you
know uh...
uh... of left-wing optimism which you and i may often share in many cases on
georgia
and texas what are the that the chances and what is the path to georgia possibly
becoming a sewing or blue stay and also a lot of democratic money going into
texas probably some some possibilities there as well
the only thing that will shift texas david is a is a dramatic demographic
shift that is taking place
but understand nothing in politics is permanent
simply because we came out of this election cycle doesn't mean the
republicans
that republicans can frame concept we we have to call it what it is in the early
days of republican politics we saw them frame the concepts that move them into
the white house moved them in the senate in congress
at one point they were so buoyed up by the by their good decision making by
their smart political maneuvering
that they actually thought that they would be in the presence of thirty five
years
so it's a lot a whole politics controlled bothered for for at least
along
but here's the problem we've we we discount
they're a bit of a need to adjust
they are adjusting their adjusting in places like florida for example there
have been doing the same thing in in taxes there's been they understand the
reality is they've lost
so they're their there
playing along game right now belong game is we may not win this next cycle
but we have to prepare for two cycles down the road
don't discount republicans and think it's over for republicans it may be over
for the crazy right wing frenzied republicans but is not over for the for
the people
who understand we have turned out to take a new path
and i think so so many times and a date with all they have to do is moderate
their tone david they don't have to you know you know i have to have republicans
that that come out and shift completely
on things like taxis understand is demographics change
you have you have allowed the demographics change
uh... economically to you have hispanics now that are moving up the economic
ladder all of a sudden
the lower tax has appealed to them all you have neatly they're smart enough to
understand if they moderator tone
they can go in there and they can rebuild the party
so yes here's what i think i think texas is is a wonderful example of a place
that isn't that hasn't
great potential become democratic but don't think it's going to happen simply
on its own don't think it's going to happens assembly without the republicans
trying to adjust their already trying to guess
i might path antonio cohost over in the fire radio pleasure as always to have
you on the show
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