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>>Ankerberg: Right. So let me come to you, Nancy. The fact is, a lot of people out there
are saying, “Well, I’m going to die and these folks are having these experiences that
go beyond the physiological state.” Would you go as far as to say that this is “proof”
that there’s life after death?
>>Bush: No.
>>Ankerberg: Okay. Tell me why.
>>Bush: Because, in scientific terms, you can’t establish proof without a control
group.
>>Ankerberg: And there’s not a whole lot of people repeating this.
>>Bush: Not a whole lot of people.
>>Ankerberg: Right. Nobody’s taking the scientist with them on the trip last time
we checked.
>>Bush: No. No.
>>Hunt: Can I jump in on this. I think Nancy has too high a regard for science. Because
science can’t tell you what love is; science can’t tell you why a sunset is beautiful,
you see? And science cannot delve into the spiritual realm. If there is more than physiological,
if there’s a spirit and a soul of man, science has no equipment for evaluating this, okay?
>>Ankerberg: I think she would agree that there’s more, but I think the answer of,
“Is there proof?” is what I’m going to. Dr. Weldon?
>>Weldon: I just think that, you know, despite the issue of the definition of science, which
can be problematic at times, I think in a broad sense there is strong suggestive evidence
that near-death experiences do provide evidence for a life after death.
>>Ankerberg: Yes. Habermas and Moreland basically, on the basis of, if you have a flat EEG and
you have EKG that’s flat and nothing physiologically is happening and they come back after they’ve
been in that exact time period and in that exact time period tell you what’s going
on outside the hospital in another house or give information about somebody that died
in another hospital, you have to say that life continues apart from the physiological
processes. Something is going on. So to that extent,... Howard?
>>Storm: There’s one other piece of evidence. People’s lives by the thousands are utterly,
radically, totally converted, changed, during a moment of extreme trauma and terror. What
do you call that? It’s irrational to think that they thought that up or they dreamed
that up. Something mysterious is happening to people during a crisis.
>>Hunt: Somebody that puts a gun to his brain and pulls a trigger can be assured of one
thing: he stopped the function of the brain cells. That’s all. He hasn’t ended his
life.