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Yes, Prabhu.
Muralishwar Prabhu: How, how is it going on that spiritual master
takes karma of his disciple at the moment of initiation.
Sripad Sagar Maharaj: How does this happen, spiritual master accepts all the karma of his disciple
at initiation when he gives initation to his disciple.
Muralishwar Prabhu: Is this true?
Shrila B. S. Govinda Dev-Goswami Maharaj: He told [indistinct]
Muralishwar Prabhu: Here it was not two questions.
Sripad Sagar Maharaj: You said one of the questions. And the second question?
Muralishwar Prabhu: And the second question is about...
In Harinama Chintamani, he says, Harinama Chintamani by Haridas Thakur
it is said that he was to take, to receive some explaination about...
Muralishwar Prabhu: Spiritual master gives his disciple entrance to nama-rasa.
How it happens and what is that internal and external activities of disciple... yes, who's got nama-rasa.
And how his external activities, like his work, his family, environment can influence it, this process.
Spd Sagar Maharaj: Two questions. First one: spiritual master gives initation.
At that time, we're told, that he accepts all karma of his discple.
How does he do that?
Shrila B. S. Govinda Dev-Goswami Maharaj: Where is written?
Spd Sagar Maharaj: Where is it written?
Shrila B. S. Govinda Dev-Goswami Maharaj: Actually it is written in scripture, Chaitanya Charitamrita:
dīkṣā-kāle bhakta kare ātma-samarpaṇa sei-kāle kṛṣṇa tāre kare ātma-sama
sei deha kare tāra chid-ānanda-maya aprākṛta-dehe kṛṣṇe charaṇa bhajaya
This is initiation time when surrender to Guru.
Guru there, Krishna Himself in the form of his guru, he is accepting him.
Then automatically his everything when taken Krishna in the form of his guru, it's going auspicious position.
You have seen, all you have some experience.
One form bank when taking other bank, merging other small bank to big bank.
You know, bank?
Bank. Small bank and merging into the big bank.
Small bank demolished and in the name of big bank he come out in front of customers.
And small banks have debt, small banks have deficiency, small banks have anything, wrong or right.
All will march to the big bank.
It is in this mundane [record cut].
Then when sincere seeker taking shelter to Krishna, [record cut] his account to Krishna.
Then Krishna in the form of Guru taking his charge.
Then bad or good, everything going to Krishna's account.
This way disciple's karma also taking Krishna in the form of his guru.
But that result we can see in same life or life after few lives.
It is.. it will come by the wills of Krishna.
Which way He take me, He knows.
It is his own jurisdiction.
What I have done that is previous karma.
And that will merge to Krishna.
But after surrender what I shall do?
That is my present practice. And that must be perfect.
Because I'm dealing with the property of Krishna, not mine.
This way everything will harmonize.
Clear?
And another question?...
Sripad Sagar Maharaj: [indistinct] question was nama-rasa.
Shrila B. S. Govinda Dev-Goswami Maharaj: Oh.
Sripad Sagar Maharaj: In Harinama Chintamani it's mentioned that after initiation from sad-guru
the disciple will receive, was fortunately blessed with nama-rasa.
But how will his actions in this world, of that discple,
affect his ability to receive the nama-rasa.
Is it correct?
Muralishwar Prabhu: And what is his external and internal activities.
Sripad Sagar Maharaj: What are his internal and external activities. Of one who is getting nama-rasa.
For person who is receiving nama-rasa, his activities.
Shrila B. S. Govinda Dev-Goswami Maharaj: Nama-rasa like ***?
Sripad Sagar Maharaj: Maybe. Maybe little higher quality.
Shrila B.S. Govinda Dev-Goswami Maharaj: Nama-rasa means not ***.
It is true. Then nama-rasa means transcendental.
That is not material or mundane anything.
Juice, apple juice or... not like that, the grape juice.
Sripad Sagar Maharaj: Transcendental nectar. Nama-rasa is transcendental nectar.
Shrila B.S. Govinda Dev-Goswami Maharaj: Transcendental nectar. What kind of nectar, that I'm asking.
Nectar not like apple juice.
I'm joking about like ***.
It is not like apple juice or not like grape juice.
But actually what happening. Happening the when guru initiating, giving the seeds of Krishna-prem to him.
Mantram about Krishna. Mantram meanings going to Krishna.
Mantram, when we are meditating. Meditating the Krishna is powerful and with power.
He is powerful and I'm giving up to His lotus feet myself.
This mantram when I'm getting I must meditate that mantram.
I'm getting the seed from the guru.
But after that activity coming to me through meditation,
through practice it will grow and will show His beauty, His charm, His ***, everything.
And love. Love, charm, beauty, *** and affection. And sweetness.
And it will grow through my activity.
I have got only seed. Guru Maharaj instructed: premno hi bija-pradam
Krishna-prem, that seed we are getting.
Within that seed five kind of relationship with Lord existing, that is called nama-rasa.
But it's necessary manifestation in the heart.
And through our practice it is manifesting.
You read Jaiva-dharma?
Prabhu?
You not read.
In the Jaiva-dharma Bhaktivinod Thakur clarified this point.
When Vaishnav Das taken initiation form Babaji Maharaj
Babaji Maharaj given that mantram to Vaishnav Das.
And given him: "give nourishment, this mantram and it will reveal into your heart".
When it will manifest in the form of the *** that extatic relationship with Lord,
with that extatic relationship you will serve your Lord.
Sripad Sagar Maharaj: When it'll be manifested in form in your heart then you'll serve the Lord in that particular extatic relationship.
Shrila B. S. Govinda Dev-Goswami Maharaj: Here rasa meanings loving relationship with Lord.
Loving relationship with full attachment with Lord.
That is called nama-rasa.
And with five kind of relationship what you have with that you will serve to Krishna
and will get the ***, joy, in your heart.
And more and more seva.
Muralishwar Prabhu: At the time of initation [indistinct] soul that generally soul, the conditioned souls didn't have any relationships with the Lord previously.
And at the time of initiation spiritual master gives to his discple some name, spiritual name, like some Das or Dasi.
And does it mean that at this time spiritual master establishes relationships between his disciple and the Lord.
Sripad Sagar Maharaj: Before initiation discple considers he has no relationship with Krishna.
When he is initiated his Gurudev gives him such and such name Das or Devi Dasi.
Does that mean he's revealing his relationship with Krishna at that time?
Through that name?
Shrila B. S. Govinda Dev-Goswami Maharaj: Guru can see through his heart mirror
his position and his relation which way come with Krishna.
And he is giving that name.
But the conditioned do not know, conditioned soul do not know
what is his position in the pastimes of Krishna.
But Guru can feel it through his meditation
and what come out in that time, he is connecting with that relationship.
But it may be changed later.
But at that time it is...
it is established, his relationship with Krishna.
Next time maybe. I told you. When Guru giving name he is meditating. And it is revealing into the guru.
And that is his relationship with Krishna.
But it's maybe changed later when he will get so high level.
There, seeing his mood of devotion and also, there also
form of guru maybe same guru but different form.
Then that will be changed in [indistinct] time. He have ascendance liberated stage, stage.
It is clear? Clear?