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the disaster began
when uh... julia reed came out and said yeah
this whole medicare buy-in
butting up on our part
i'm not in favor of it and uh... they have to take that up in order get my
book
he said on
face the nation
then he went had a private meeting with harried and said
look not only what i vote against that but i will join a republican filibuster
make sure we joe
so
what have a compromise
and exactly as some of the skeptics predicted most notably jane hampshire's
been fighting very hard about this
at firedoglake here on the shows that
and that they do you think they're going to do it
but they're not going to do it
and she's right right so they come out in l_a_ twelve-day on that cop rising
was still not enough
for joe lieberman and because of the vermin that gives cover
the nelson in land ruin linkedin and they're not on board either
and so now
you kill the why do we compromise about sun and there's no public option is no
medicare buy-in
the single-payer there's no not not that i mean this bill effect
a big radio if harry theresa
is there a gentle
and at the of course you only want to know how we cover new people here
and the people recovered his private insurance to people i give you money
so he loves that part as more money for private insurance
okay so
now that that
his itself was the best
buddy got much worse when we found out later in the day
white house to read is the headline from politico
cut deal with lever
just give into leaving
human every
football
all leadership
bold server bolton view
if this is true of course it's the your references ron emmanuel
as a guy saying adrian came in at the first operated opportunity
david hale all opportunities
if it's true and they say on it is a public option and we were tech kidding
about medicare buy-in is our medicare buy-in either
and it's just not a damn thing for progresses and honestly not a damn thing
for cost containment so your friends will continue to terrorize
and their private insurers will continue to make garg ensured profits off your
back
uh... in fact will determine will subsidize levels probs recovering new
people are you and i will have to pay for that but no way privation through
stretcher well then you know what i say
hello
hello
nowhere near
before this
if what the medicare by there was a question of well you know what is no
public option but
at least you cover people fifty-five sixty-five
and they can buy in pay a premium and get medicare and that has lower cost so
maybe
but now you take that away that what was a compromise from them
not that one
neither squat
their color
not buying into that
if the recovery efforts
you vote no on this but they they wanna play tough guy they want to say
we can kill the bill we go by you know a scandal bill week job
we've opened up
uh... and so
let's see how they respond let's have a find all of the centers in the true
progress of the shared brown's etcetera
respond on the senate but this is that
pathway to disaster i mean
for the first i'd always so they're going to get deal
there've been some bs compromise
we really get hosanna make in the meanwhile but there were any idea for
the first time today i thought you know what david indebted
because this whole scrap
becoming here's a no
loopytoe there's no cost containment progresses get nothing
visibility written by joe lieberman
biggest sucked up
to a private health insurance industry
in the country
and again i was not
even remotely democratic at this point
is another conclusion
lieberman is a lost cause he's
just called a republican a move on
that's that democrats will and fifty-nine boasted of sexy stocks
philanthropy nine
we have to deal with that reality and we want joe lieberman
never
ever going to give you
evo do you want
mccabe especially if you think it's important
well despite anne as required at the washington post
jon alter of newsweek everybody saying look he speaks liberals
was only one of those in a motivation serious
he was a school levels doesn't matter how it affects the country et cetera and
yes it is a lot of money
from private issue so that's another large motivation
but he's never gonna give you that book
say scalded official republican and move on
she got that the ability to go get snow somehow or you know what
you do what we've been telling you all want
see all right
we just left the bill it sucks this mess he's going to take longer
week understand the pitfalls of it
but we don't have a choice
so we had to reconciliation
which means you take things like the public option
all you need is a fifteen fifty votes on it
today
don't have the vote today let fifty six votes
is guaranteed they're already locked in at fifty six votes
you're gonna pass it
super easy no problem
flying colors
and he said well you can do everything the through reconciliation does that do
the budget
apologized to the budget
the other half of it is not controversial anyway
now there have been discovered more people
private insurers wants that
cell
you'd or all the democrats claim they want a job even though says he wants
that all right
so that part gets passed with sixty votes
and this park it's passive fifty bucks
now if you had a strong leader in the white house
that's what he would do
instead they don't really need to know what they really can't all in this
article though it all out
this sources inside the white house like
well you know bias we don't have a choice so we have to bow our heads a
lieberman
i look there's no other word for that
if that's your idea of leadership
rediculous absurd
totally unacceptable
kidnapped let's go to the collapse to give you a better sense of what exactly
were come from here
first uh... include nor five buildings that make a stand is on face the nation
uh... though there are by she was awesome type center nelson in this clip
is another one of the conserved emma crests holding out
innocence or just and that's what's what
brings you doing here
and the parts of it can be supported by sixty senators including some
republicans what we've gotta stop adding to the bill we gotta start
subtracting some controversial things i think you know this is a report
christmas
is to bring in some republicans are open-minded on this like olympia snow
out to be a will be happy to do that
you get a kick out the medicare by and you go to forget about the public option
would probably have to take out the classical jazz a whole new
entitlement program that will be dot and so few trainers pros
further in the deficit in a better word up some of the cost-containment
provisions up at a lot strengthen cost-containment that all of us favor
lawyer did that you have an enormous accomplishment thirty million americans
who can't afford insurance so they would get it
insurance companies will be more aggressively regulated because we bent
down
it's time to get reasonable what about that and i think every piece of landmark
legislation is have bipartisan support
in many cases and two-thirds or more of the senate voting
that legislation
that's one of the things that is missing
that it's not easy to reach cross alan
circumstances we find ourselves highly politicized liveliest hollis what do you
think is a bad idea to at best buy into medicare collect younger people buying
into this program sender nelson well first of all we don't know what the
numbers are yet bob and so that that
you know what kind of got you know what is going to cost
and the second thing is i'm concerned
that it's uh... it's the forerunner of single-payer the ultimate singer
single-payer plan
uh... maybe even more directly
the public option
shin bubbles up
alright yeah i got your helmet
update he watched two-thirds
so we gotta go get that sixty lineup
for ben affleck remember these guys are all democrats
democrats theoretically
he said i know you gotta go get more republicans to sign it
always across the republic signing up
at lieberman did your laundry list uh... take ap every piece the reform in the
bill
uh... speak out uh... medicare by and take a apollo doesn't even together
cause i and we can all that stuff he's annapolis of three other things to take
a
because all you want to do is
and is a super activity dot about cost containment and even god damn liar
there's a lot cost containment at all
only we want to do is add thirty million americans
paid for by the united systems subsidized by tax payers
onto private insurance
mckinney onto the table okay
phyllis take those guys are so you'll have to buy private insurance
and american taxpayer will subsidize
so in an there is no cost containment the premium skyrocket
and his buddies get rich off
height and doing
everything i can with every fiber of my body not the calmest seesaw
okay
lead every time he speaks those you've got to be done with them and done with
it
there's no negotiations don't
and that if i was reading the saint
heavily lucio his situation all you want the american about you want a call that
a let them know that you give me a list right
date new you're done here
so you move or the republicans are not shopbop popped up and move on okay
go to the republican side i'd never want to see you again however what your boat
again
i will go to ever apologize cornered although orrin hatch
eleven even go to and not ever come to you
your chairmanship
chairmanship
dot lights etc
other democrats will you have a championship
what patty here
of day joe lieberman now you're done son
you don't get to have a voice in
anything anymore
but they don't need to raise any money would go bomb a
you don't need to raise any money with democrat he'll get the cause of a
democrat
i can what do you call yourself www the democratic party is good at a press
conference what we're gonna in dallas that you are the worst of all
republicans
that you are public enemy number one and it will spend they were you
michael we have to defeat you and your next election
because you are the ones politician in the country
now that's what i would do if i was
senate leader or if i was the president any coming up
the president to do anything
y c impotent
does he not have a nut sack
what can the president do anything
he allegedly to walk in the lyndon johnson life under medicare
and make it as they are on this president can do anything you have to
dispel your head
to any senator comes vices and to stop this bill
when you when it does or two dollars
with peggy lee would like for bollywood like all i'm sorry sir im sorry of
course is nothing that you know
the promises that obama's account let's keep the real okay
promising that he doesn't think he can do anything is a goddam present quickly
do something
the problem is
he does look want to do anything
with washer reform and with health care reform
he'd has made deals with these companies
no intention of breaking those deals
his intention of delivering for them
mass away so that they philippa coffers of hand and his party
so he get re-elected in twenty twelve an aching to get reelected dating as best
they can point n point wow
if this continues we don't really have a progressive party in the car
uh... we have progressives within the democratic party
but morocco bomb a lot of
all right now but on the show you at
exactly what i'm talking about
i would not come back to run phyllis crockett
put up with that
okay so the white house
uh... spokesman how does he respond to destroy it these rumors about rumors to
these reports
from leaks from inside the white house
that that their ballot there had to lieberman and the big annette sake that
debt act asking
harry dictated by the way
in these reports carries a strong
perry's like outlook i don't know which became italy virginia
that's a strong as a guest on democratic side
ano bombs like please please please get them please everything you what he wants
i let's see what kind of
nonsense response give says he's a young children are strong say absolutely not
right let's watch
uh... called sheldon
about how having not middleware no with body status report
as far as i have a life a little white house isn't hurting saturdays
still sit down and that you really have it and give up money managers
if you listen listen the president usa is anxious to see progress
uh... and will continue to work with
democrats and republicans
and independence
and everyone in between
to make that progress is a safe distance serious problem senator lugar progress
at about
in the president will we wouldn't be here
who would be sitting here
the fourteenth of december when you look for the christmas shopping
uh... discussing is sitting in on the weekends if the president was involved
uh... presence that involve the whole time
uh... weight look if you fall papa said all that was
crystal clear
he said
uh... i was going on i watched we totally worldwide
pressuring lieberman you wanna presley you wanna given illegal
mckinnon isn't sure about that has a while we're working with everybody
republicans democrats and the fork with everybody that his that we're looking at
make a deal
and the deal is there's no real health care reform we treat the american people
call health care reform
that's a deal
bases have the president of our
well etc
it's not in fighting for the public option not for fighting for medicare by
it
but yes every once in a while the president is involved
is saying to harry toward other progressives acm henry looks like a line
again here
of oliver dresses so far right he turns around says that no deliver ***
unilever
given to that
no you don't get it
this is not the cheese we put forth basis
pool and order
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that's what it is
okay
the safest appointee is
a guard giving short on this date
i am give you one more click here give me a sense that
how the democrats that
now rockefeller's been
for the right side right
let's look at how diluted he's
and i think these guys and never did
you watch this club members
leader is compassionate behind a medicare
uh... in it
uh... or or public option owners but no they're not sixty votes for them because
of the bill itself does a lot to bring thirty million people in the system we
don't need it
keep adding onto the back of the source was remembered over suspect
and get nothing done
and i i want to tell you we could pass a health care reform bill this week with
more than sixty votes that it will be bipartisan if we just took a few things
out of the bill is in a few minutes and rock large hard for me
uh... to think
that uh... your optimism is gonna prevail here when you figure the
statements of the issues and i know many and they're both very good friends we're
both working on poor major parts of the building business
and it's not part for me to feel optimist i do
radicalized because on this
sp
a u_n_ registries there are comes around
here that i would say doctors finish
these to overhear these two jokers these two classes are done or not that many
deals with them
with all of the reconciliation
so bob he wasted your time with them because they're not completely
irrelevant at fifty six votes
and what you do
uh... helmet ahead at what do you do really regret
all your crime aranella
simplified independent to parents
you know about
daylight every yet
okay go ahead bob visit him i cleared up we got fifty six god damn senators
with it with the american people on clear okay
we got their votes or pass in this ok he has said on the side only if bum up your
***
when come join
otherwise this often go via republic
it would be an interesting world if i wasn't sure
uh...
young for while aircraft
that's forgot five that's or whatever but the bottom line
not a big deal montague
r_j_r_'s prisoners is directing that now
well the villainous our daughter comes from rob andrews
and i'll ask him how feels that became virtual by apresentava bomber
uh... because if they at people in the house and again the public should
president that different message for that
he says he didn't give a damn about them he wants to make sure is buddy lieberman
is paid off i mean uh...
is happy with the senate version of the bill
uh... which will have absolutely no cost containment none
uh... so
uh... now we'll get to that in a little bit uh... we at our congressmen someone
other topics
uh... but let's go for health care to them
of the banks well good news there
president obama's gonna get tough on the banks a notice he told me so
he went on sixty minutes and he said
uh... i did not run for office to be
uh... helping out a bunch of that cat bankers who had stuff
uh... what's really frustrating me right now is that you've got the same banks
who benefited from taxpayers systems
were we are fighting tooth and nail against aboard now fighting to the nail
against
financial regulatory control
okay britt right and then he did his little speech that he does on youtube in
on radio etcetera
uh... over the weekend talking about how uh...
this is n_p_r_ your responsibility by the bankers
and that they need to correct themselves they'd be able to risky loans and
complex financial products in pursuit of short-term profits and big bonuses with
little regard to long-term consequence that is exactly right
so all those parts exactly right uh... for president while he's okay he's on
top of the so he's got a lot
but in fact he's calling the bankers today
and he called and um...
all the topic of the country
natsios uh... you know goldman sachs citigroup
sergeant morgan et cetera et cetera
and he said you big their reburied batboys
european really not
are you gonna change now
and the bankers snicker
that you ready for without the behind the scenes stuff
okay first of all
banking executive said
this is quote f_d_r_ start
and we're supposed to come in for a public spanking
and and that's it
and they said oh yeah you know
make some
moves about how all we're helping the little guy in when you
sure get some investment out there as weekdays give some loans for small
businesses
uh...
them into any of that stuff and
in fact when you go to
c widow bomb administration is the side of the day actually medula bankers
used to relative rest at a political nut political
sometimes is a little right leaning in the drive me crazy so i'm perfectly
aware of that
i've not seen their sources be wrong
uh... nine out of ten times when they do analysis and sometimes comical right
the white house does feed them information
and if they're wrong can be the first one to point out listen to what the
reporting i think they're right on
uh... obon will take a measured tone with the bankers telling them he was
addict
anything constructive conversation
and doesn't want a bill for a one
according to administration officials
but the president will tell the banks that they have a special responsibility
to help spur cover it
because the extraordinary bailout assistance they received last year
the president would knowledge that industry concerned that regulators
or over correcting
and have become
over-zealous
he'll call for a dialogue
about that issue
when we get there
might yet be knowledge irresponsibility well wow
last week with the jury that the cookie jar
because responsibility okay great your apt
that go ahead and have at it again with the cookie jar
at what they call the cookies you like
i'm not in a city rules
why are you why do you continue to ask them for favors
and the political article of every article on this time magazine associated
press is that
well the administration does not have much luck
coming up
why doesn't have a lot of it
here we go let's have fun
if i was the press i call the same guys in and i wouldn't take them one plead
with them in fact i would have any
conversation or out asking them to do something
i sat them down as a look here's the fun prepared to go up side for you guys that
i'm not gonna ask you to do it
here's a downside for yes i'm gonna tell you what to do
i'm not gonna tell u what kind of things that you should invest in north caroline
g should did et cetera i'm not interested nomic apples okay
here's what happened arrested u_s_
and when i say i i mean i is represented of the united states tax-free
so in essence were your boston
so here's your boss telling yourself
if you don't do everything i tell you in terms of
opening up credit
et cetera at you can argue whether that's where possible get that a little
later okay
here's what i mean it
you know those credit default swaps you may call your money from
and the only thing you care about the reason that you're taking all this money
and not giving it out
and not letting out because you have a damn about actually doing loads anymore
you just want a buildup capital so you could have more leverage to bite
more directed us
and a trade war derivatives well here's a list of the funding that i'm gonna do
i agree with paul volcker former head of that
that i agree with george soros who is one of the smartest institutional
investors in the world and has made billions
doing this
i agree with all the top economists in the country that have been warning me
about this i don't know more about that
who caused rivers financials aware financial weapons of mass destruction
so credit default swaps there dot
i'm in a band
and then here's what would happen in the
absolute
or fifty you'd like
as daughter
be pleasantly borg how did you work on this
are really a m doing exactly the same thing
uh... oversight is part of my
regulatory power
that uh... or whatever it is you know i guess he see the f_d_c_ that
we'll makeup but three letters four letters i think any letters you like
okay dot agency is gonna decide
that this is fraudulent useless et cetera and you don't have credit default
swaps anymore that that market is dot
benazir bhutto what do we do have louise
all having a conversation
what can you do for
all right now in stock
you don't have any leverage
or bothers all the leverage in the world that he wants
just doesn't want to use it
because this is all as that industry executive said right from the beginning
a p_r_ stuff
this is so that'll bamaca go into a bad boys that was in public and the color of
the popular vote a bit
you see on the yelling at them for our night top
on auto i didn't represent the fact that back
the teachers out of exactly eight of us
to bs particular
would anybody want from okay sure head right at the reform
opportune time if they were burning dot
how do i know it's already having the house and the guys who pushed for
every loophole
was the whole bombay administration
as i was wanted in here
today i saw that you know we had one of those posters we got from the
campaign
uh... and it is that all bomber posters of hope on it
you know we got on the campaign cystic camp a memento it says that
hamass annotated
she's she's the one who grabbed a shovel carried all our from colorado
i really appreciate it center
hope my acts
archaic
this guy
those exactly what the banker somebody
the house bill that this cap at some financial reform
has loopholes you can try for truck for
a lag a winner
make director stress program to regulate them which is one issue that or if
you're doing
except you can afford currency swaps
so
uh... and that's what got your push for
so that means that you know to broaden amsa bovine here but basically as a
fifty trillion dollar loophole
that you know i have to report it off
and for the end users you know that well we can't do that so no
uh... they get a loophole for any assistance
you just eliminated ninety percent of the rips
so that means what i mean by eliminated is
the as part of the bill
that's ninety percent the loophole
so we get to see
what they're doing with
ten percent of their direct we're going to regulate it
which is good to see it
who pushed for that tim geithner for the treasury department
brocco bomb
they have no intention of regulating these guys ineffectiveness
on the senate side chris dodd
icici over the top l we were shocked that's saw does and what what is that it
looks pretty good
of course insult me water dot with the guys who are pushing a watered-down tim
diner larry summers oracle dba
and a whole irinotecan dj
if it is that i could hear you guys there would be awful
who who who's willing to bet the rich gets a corporation
the corporate overlook
uh... they are the democrats they are the republicans
now there is a alleged embezzlement of the republicans is that
every single one of the republicans
is sold out everyone on the just had a meeting
uh... with a hundred of the bankers top lobbyist last week
and they ask the lobbyist a fight harder to kill finance reform the republicans
asa has looked at begging for their money
but i'll give you money giving you money
okay now the democrats as a couple of guys
who actually
fight for the right things and actually want reform they don't want the system
exploded
account of my hands problem but and then
uh... osvaldo administration water sit down and then they come
and they do joke of a p_r_ stunt here waiting for ten
the school the bankers and then they go about
giant loopholes
for them to go through
so hey you know
president obama not interested
knowledge that at all
is shaping up to be
any normal suite
and profound
disappointment
he all i'm doing for you that lower less fair
so you-know-what let's do one call from larry summers you get a sense of it news
on this week with uh... at george stephanopolous
and uh...
it's good memory
he again he's theoretically schooling the bankers polis here what he actually
says witzel
okay let me ask you just a final question president obama is calling in
the heads of some of the country's biggest banks
tomorrow to try to get from the lend more to small businesses and consumers
and there seems to be a big failing as so far you point out that the
administration has is is stabilized into some of the i'm program to stabilize the
financial industry but we see the banks making money paying back the tarp funds
but not really increasing lending want more can president obama due to
encourage debtors the bully pulpit really is only option but
low-keyed canisters
all while with
bankers
the country did incredible things for the banking industry
those things have to be done
to save the economy
but no major bank
would be intact
in a position to pay bonuses
that extraordinary support had not been uh...
provided
the bankers need to recognize that they need to recognize that they've got
obligations to the country after all that's been done uh... uh...
for them
and there's a lot more they can do
and president obama's consulting with them about what they tended to
support by enhanced of when enhanced lending on it to uh... customers of
across the bow of the country we were there
for them
and the banks need to do everything they can to be sure there therefore customers
across this country
okay thank you very much mister summers
all right well you know the pie like about that is that uh... at least
arzamas was honest for a second there when he said well we were there for them
holborn larry were you
you really deliver for that and now they say what can we do all gandhi was a
serious talk because we have no leverage
by warner if
while you were giving them the money before you give them the money you had
said hey
you take these regulations or we don't give you the money
and you go under
if that might have helped if you had
a little bit more leverage back that
of course
and this is not monday-morning quarterback that's exactly what we said
as it was happening
and the democrat said to us on a nana
and or paul does absolutely everyone of them said
we can
week that we can do any regulation right now
but trust us after the banks get back on their feet
they will voluntarily
you know go along with these reforms pop pop pop pop
and now we're down to having serious talks with that
and look at even the framing of the question from the media
is or bomber has the bully pulpit
no he has a
two-by-four if he's interested in using
but he's not
young turks
no me ballfield
you know if there are still here for her but i offered earlier that the other
server have popped up
but that's a little bit more of a nuanced issue cultivation
uh... as to you know which direction president bob was going to his nobel
prize speeches that are
uh... let me add one little final exclamation point to health care which
is a form of a fact
our guest refer to an earlier in the uh... program not congressman andrews
but uh... obviously at all
from the faster times
uh... it's uh...
not just julie danis position
net uh...
the medicare buy-in should uh...
is the way to go since are the two thousand one
a new story out now
with video
we don't have it yet
will have free tomorrow with video that shows that uh... not only i was really
mean favor the medicare by in which he now says not acceptable
but he's on video saying
he's pushing for it
three months ago
so he's the one pushing for
so then they give it to a missus uh...
just kidding
uh...
so up all the dollar discord in the article saying well if someone then
turns around as against their own provisions
uh... you begin to wonder if they're dealing in good faith
or do you begin to wonder that
orquesta de parked it
uh... i began to wonder that a long long time ago leonard joel clearing dealing
in good faith of course not
of course not
he wants to kill the sting of matter what anything gave matt you want more
and if you continue to have negotiation with julie when you're a fool
calm republican
and move on
find someone else to make a deal with or go to reconciliation
out the best that family say that the democrats are finally begin to think
about it
you don't say while care
god is so frustrating all rights was correct answer
a lot of debate over uh...
president bomb a speech over
when he won the nobel prize in winter
uh... accepted
uh... i went back and reread the species conserves loved
right not all of them some of them did not like it but a lot of them were in
favor of it
uh... and
applicable k and some locals like it as well so
and going greenwald role an interesting article about wait a minute because then
the organ liberals like the same speech and
visit
part of his answers of course right which was
welcome its greatest when he is a speech everyone says room three oh yeah he's on
my side on all these are my so we're talking about
you know he's
uh... at excellent at
reaching out to everybody of thinking that he's on their side okay
and you read the speech and it does if you like more discuss i've been there
for a delight please discuss i've been there for it
uh... but who's ultimately right
and and it was a good speed it was a bass what looked like they split first
did this go bomb a speech
uh... for basically justifying explaining war crimes
absolutely
isn't it
curious choice to make
now while accepting a peace prize a little yes but actually also make sense
because he's saying look this is there's a time per piece is the time for war
what we have to do is the world communities figure out which times which
i mean no one really believes
he could never have anymore right
uh... so the question is under what circumstances do you go to war
and he laid out of
in my opinion
they're very moderate
uh... case to be made
uh... i think i think of a moderate in foreign policy so and then when i look
at that speech
i liked it a lot to be honest with you i i really liked it
and uh... it's because it said look
his job as commander in chief is not to be mahatma gandhi
or martin luther king
uh... but at the same time
starting
unilateral wars uh... preemptive strikes et cetera is not the way to go
in either a *** pic speech even though he did not mention iraq it wasn't loud
and clear
that it was a denunciation of what we did
that we should not of god and without the world community we should not have
gone in
without that
uh... evidence that we obviously did not have we should not have acted
unilaterally
we're gonna preemptive strike that
if you would have made that clear i would be happy with the speech
but he's playing a little bit of politics thereby much by not making
even clearer than it did okay
on the other hand does the united states america capital for war from time dot
gov co
parts of course we did
so and then he explains the reasons why we might
you know self defense
humanitarian says but not just generally in vaguely but specifically what kind of
humanitarian purposes and
how we don't bring the whole world community into it
the service like because he
brag about america are coming up
i love america kelly of course i like that he said
within the protector of the peace always now what some liberals will point out is
yeah we've been verde bilities except
for times
that we have it
who like iraq
in vietnam
uh... and that many others sis's
so that is a but was a no bomb is job there to talk about all the hypocrisy
use of the american government while receiving that award
i don't necessarily think so as long as he lay down a good case for his policies
would now they're calling to obama dot it go obama doctrine is less act in
moderation and go to war when we have to
and not go to war we don't have to
well then i met
okay
now i guess if you're a pacifist
you say no you don't go to accept the nobel peace prize
and they give us speech just fine war
and there's good smart liberals on that side going green wall does one of the
pieces in then
uh... uses you know it could be at justification uh... for solo battle wars
that we've been
uh... so he would be a guest that and then on the other hand on the right wing
side
if you are in favor of a need to know what you please and iraq and hey you
know that guys these along where we're going to this country well then you'd be
a guest this speech too
but i think if you're like most of us
it was right down the met
and in a positive way not a bad way
let's give you both sides
kucinich is gonna make a little case against the speech
he's gonna be
passionate about it he's gonna be a good case both away disagree with them but i
i'm glad he said this let's go to clip number one
yesterday our president news about the inevitability of war
wars instrumentality and pursuit of peace
and just wars
is important for us to reflect on his words
because once we believe in the inevitability of war
or becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy
once were committed two wards instrumentality in pursuit of pace
we begin the orwellian journey to the semantic nether world where war is peace
where the momentum of war overwhelms hopes for peace
and once we wrap doctrines perpetuating warren yards of justice we can easily
live jamaica wholesale slaughter of innocents
the war against iraq was based on lies wars in afghanistan and pakistan based
on flawed doctrines of counterinsurgency war is often not jobs
sometimes
just war
and our ability to rethink the terms of our existence to explore the possibility
of peace without more
may well determine
whether we and more
or war
and xox
i think it's a great speech but the senate i'm glad he's there to make it
awfully i don't agree with them
i think that if there are such things just what i think our insurgency in
pakistan as a is being fought
is not perfect but not that
uh... that has to be fought al-qaeda is in northern paxton
uh... so i'm not against all wars on the other hand i'm glad because hitch is
that a remind us
head onto the jump into a footnote right
uh... and oprah and that this thing justifies itself those are very good
warnings so we have to be extraordinarily careful al bomb a
mission that we have to be careful in his speech
uh... and that's what
but john bolton on the right wing side did not like he thinks we shouldn't be
factor for
let's go to court number three for that
yeah visitors
you cannot stand idle in the face of threats to the american people
for make no mistake people does it says to the world
non-violent movement could not appalled that it was arms
negotiations cannot convince off but it is reduced to lay down their arms
for that he's getting some praise and conservative quarters
this was a complex
intellectually which
impressive speech but it was rejected regret
and in some way to correct a storage speech he made the case
for exactly what
hinted that it was it was reading somewhat but likely said gets back
it
on the phone so well
but with us now is a
analyze it not sign press dot blot was a former ambassador seeing that nation's
anot
a sound and then you're always anticipated i mean you got they're
sending great scarborough
pale and i'll set now looking for is america he said war was sometimes
necessary what should be for the speech but i thought it was shallow and
sophomore he didn't say anything new in this speech he hadn't said in the west
point speech on afghanistan hers to speeches at the u_n_
like most politicians and that's an important point he is like most
politicians
he put a lot of chime in the water for a lot of different people it's true he
said sometimes words necessary nobody's ever accused him of being a pacifist
jimmy carter was in the past this woodrow wilson was in a pacifist neville
chamberlain was in a pacifist their mistake was
fundamentally misunderstanding what to do about threats to their respective
countries and that's world bomb against the growing and missed beaches
fundamental errors that i think pose grave dangers for the u_s_ mandates that
during speeches america cannot act alone
itself because i had an idea right here
my email yet let jumped out of every seven state it's improvement for
american act alone or america should have analyzer were based on sat week we
cannot acrobats as fundamentally wrong but it reflects i think what's basically
his uh... his mindset which is
he is post american
he's against at nuclear proliferation he's against belligerent war
he just wants to resolve it through them
framework of the united nations
but that's what the real problem is that swine north korea and iran continue to
pursue their nuclear program that that's why we have the risk of continuing
global terrorism because the old bomb approaches have been working because he
says in nice thing about america everyone so much doesn't change the
fundamental philosophy at work in his brain
all right let's settle jumble first before release
uh... uses
he's outrageous sophomore
sophomore socket that uh...
uh... america cannot act on
first of all
totally taken out of contact
several times in the speech of almost said of course every country putting
america has a right to act unilaterally
to defend itself
within context you think that if you can't be of course objective fact you
back here i don't think right
at what he's saying that america cannot act alone is when
we are gonna go into bosnia or rwanda and they let me say clinton learned
about the senate
but he's making an intelligent is for when you go win okay
whether it's rolando or a rack
and so you can act alone you need the world community with you
and of course john bolton because
he hates the world community throughout the world community thinks alright
para kharap training
well then you're gonna be left alone
dictate but these are that
i mean it's john bolton is that hated me of the new york on more
it doesn't get any dumber it doesn't get it anymore wrong
then john paul
where he just sits there and thinks
america should attack willy nilly
across the world anyway that it likes and not pay any attention who our
neighbors allies or any loss in the world
dot that's exactly what we fought against for eight years
that so as to obama speech i go right down the middle
he's right now he doesn't i don't want this would never think was an example
that's not the right answer right answers of thoughtful policy which is
what i think you guys
amorim joe overjoyed to joe scarborough site
he says he it you know defended it just
outlets
was that stop you guys are stunning
he did you know one of one of the just was that he defended his speech
uh... world war two
talking
that a democrat would defend world war two ki something's funny about that so
most of the sale moral
and then set up a little you know i can tell from elliot you know i got my block
all leaves them
all police
ami you rideau bomb was
focus that speech
andy green disagrees with god damn brilliant recarey
i mean it you look at it you know
intelligences losing from every quarter of that speech and then i was listed a
whole boschwitz over the weekend
do you like all my god and that's why obama slot hold on to a
but a fifty five percent popularity rating as we sort like terrorized by the
ideal has more on like bush who was running the country
who couldn't put to one sent his neck so i dont
sap alien compare yourself your four balls and obon ans
and but on the subs that it's not true at all staff a lot of course
defense uh... the most
right wing lunatic
uh... foreign policy of preemptive strikes hit anybody at any time
just physical if we feel like it which is
basically what we did in iraq so doubt though that is the question
the real question is
is it it just war is that not adjust war
as for bomber said about iraq a dome war
and that's the question we have with afghanistan not in the beginning not
afghanistan in two thousand one
without afghanistan in two thousand and not which is a whole different war
and an apartment in took the words right out of my mouth
in a little debate today ur she have a java desa on this week with
stephanopoulos let's go to clip number for you
and funding and then probably and problem i had received my fine unit
his when he said that uh... my job is to protect the american people from fat
stuff because everybody would agree with that but he is not defined by think
that's coming from afghanistan are and he did not define those threats in the
west point speech he did not define them at any point and that's really at the
moment the main problem with these credibility because whether that's
coming from the taliban back on the front k there left in afghanistan and
evident out until he gives the finding states in many ways is responsive and
he's been president which is set against the war in iraq when he said i'm not
against all wars i'm against that dhaliwal
and right now i'm gonna send is that garth stand out at the time walking
montana necessary
will take you know i think that
that i find it ironic that the concerns of breeze this speech uh...
it seemed to be a tube of repudiation of conservatism and they made the argument
that because america was exceptional
the rules that apply to us this was really rooted i think in
post-world war two the satellite that the army
are dead he was saying that
that uh... constraining uh... are
power following the rules of the road not torturing people applying the geneva
conventions on was the source of american exceptional wasn't that would
lead the world words that with respect arianna spoil about what the threat is i
think is fairly clear that debt
uh... in the context of both the speeches that he gave that we need to go
after the people that affect us
and i think that they've done that
they've done that dot that you can argue about whether this is the right strategy
to do that
uh... he did it on your beckoning using predators in pakistan
they're doing more in pakistan over the last ten months and george bush you know
that this and one half highway to help you depending on what happens and i
think you have a *** dot mandated benefit people like taxpayers and mark
our next
but can i interrupt that will amplify
well i i i want to get out and have had a problem not just about by said you
could argue about that about the tactics
but i would beg to differ that we're not going to pakistan but anne miller
waiting to happen to me that the other residents of the residuals trade justice
we would sit in on a rate four or five p m arafat has managed to gain access to
this
work that i think i was right
we're sending the true staff afghanistan is it just worn hours of done with those
who of course as she goes a little
uh... for other than i was she says the gold standard of dumb wars adeptly
wouldn't go that far
but that's the conversation should be out in between cadets that
and i think that's a smart it reasonable conversation and that's where the
question of afghanistan licenses
just or is it tough
youngster