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I don't know when my ***, my ***
are gonna start to feel like two separate entities again,
but I'm really looking forward to that.
♪ (ALTERNATIVE MUSIC) ♪
This episode is called "Latching."
It's the last episode ever of GIRLS.
And um, I think Judd Apatow was surprisingly
really the man behind this breastfeeding plot.
I think the seed of this was
the fact that Hannah would be losing her mind.
a, a few months later we started talking about
post-partum depression and her mental health issues
coming up again and so after the,
I guess the happiness of nine
the reality that it's really difficult would land in ten.
I, I don't remember that "Latching"
being the first idea
It might've been one of the many.
It was early on you and I were on the phone.
-LENA: Yeah. -JUDD: Mm-hmm.
and were talking about...
-things that make you crazy -Yeah.
-after you have a baby -Yeah.
and we came up with the idea of breastfeeding issues.
LENA: When were all writing we had everyone to make sure that
the episode wasn't coming down as like a
-pro or con on breastfeeding -JUDD: Mm-hmm.
because we're not having a position about what women
should and shouldn't do.
(BABY CRYING LOUDLY)
-(BABY SNEEZES) -Bless you.
I don't know what to say to you?
JUDD: I liked that sequence where she's
unable to breastfeed and she's ranting at the baby
and it feels like she's treating the baby
the way she would a boyfriend.
She already has this co-dependent thing
she already feels like she's being mistreated
-by the baby and-- -JENNI: Right (LAUGHS).
She's responding the way she's responded to every guy
-she's ever had in her life. -JENNI: Yeah.
JUDD: A lot of it was also about just being present
like can you be present, with your baby
not be running all your problems,
not be in your own head,
and that would be this massive
challenge for someone we've seen be so selfish, for so long.
I don't understand why you're yelling at me
when I'm in emotional pain?
Yeah, well you know who else is in emotional pain?
-Who? -*** everyone!
And with Hannah and Loreen, there's a lot of pain because
they're mirroring each all the time
and so there's all of this anxiety that comes from watching
I think Loreen, watching Hannah, do things that
she's, knows that she herself did or watching
Hannah do things she wishes she had done
and there's a lot of projection
that exists between mothers and daughters
and it felt like that relationship
needed the closure.
JUDD: And Loreen's situation is really hard.
-JENNI: Yeah. -I mean she's in a rough place
you know losing her husband and her partner and so
I think we have a lot of compassion for her
as a character, but we also want to be honest about
-the emotions that brings up. -LENA: Yeah.
And a lot of it's funny but a lot of its just rage and hurt.
-Rage. So much rage. -LENA: Yeah.
She really loved Tad and she had made a decision
to kind of like make her life with someone and compromise
on certain things because she thought
that she would always be safe and...
So there is also something kind of nice about Hannah
becoming a single mother at about the same time Loreen
-becomes a single woman. -Yeah.
Are you happy here?
I don't need to be happy.
Why?
It's just not my time, this is important.
Hannah's my best friend.
Marie would never let them not be friends.
-Like she's gonna -LENA: No,
-succeed at that relationship. -She's committed.
LENA: She's the queen of loyalty.
But I think, you know she's gonna take some time
but she is gonna get out of that house.
Mm, yeah. She has to.
And I think Loreen pushes her and is like,
"Don't make the same mistakes I did."
and like attach your life to somebody else who's
on their own path.
That doesn't necessarily involve you and...
But Marnie's also like made a commitment to be there
for a little while but I think you really see
just how much they love each other and how much Marnie's
willing to put up with because Hannah's a pretty big jerk
to her for the majority of the episode.
You called my mom?
I called her here for me.
I wanted some help.
You wanted to be here with me and help me
and you suck at it.
It was hard to figure out who Hannah encountered
when she stormed out of her house.
Yeah, we had a bunch of different versions of that.
Yeah, but finally, it felt like Hannah meeting
someone younger and seeing the way that they
seeing their naiveté and their kind of brattiness
and the way it might like shed some light on her
and that actress, Ruby Rose she was amusing us
so much when she read to play the "teenage girl"
-that Hannah encounters. -JENNI: Oh my god I was like,
"This is like a Paul Thomas Anderson-style cast."
-LENA: Yeah. -I was so excited.
At the end of it, it's really about
dropping that and realizing
Oh I can't behave this way anymore
-JENNI: Yeah. -and be a mother.
I think something that we wanted to say was that
everyone's trying to figure it out.
It's like Grover's trying to figure out how to eat,
Marnie's trying to figure out
how to become a person with a life,
Hannah's trying to figure out why
she's made the choices she's made,
Loreen's trying to let go of her anger and it doesn't matter
where you are, there's like this lack of resolution
but that you can always make the decision to do better.
So uh, what brings you out here without uh, pants and shoes?
Oh, um I had a baby pretty recently, so...
My favorite moment from the episode,
and it's towards the ends, is when Hannah comes home
from her weird journey
and she's followed by the cop
and Marnie and Loreen could be angry at her,
she ran away from her baby, she was an *** to both of them,
she shirked responsibility, and they're just like
welcome her, and like that's to me what like love is.
Is like just letting somebody come back and sit down
between you with no questions asked.
I mean that's honestly how I feel about these two
I feel like I could act really crazy
then come and sit down between you and it would be okay.
And I just love that it's so, moving to me.
JUDD: My favorite moment of the episode is like
the last five seconds.
I like the idea that it ends with a giving gesture
for somebody that's been narcissistic for most of this.
That her peace comes the moment she's in the middle
of a purely giving act, to her son.
And then you see for the first time
a look of complete, peace.
♪ (ALTERNATIVE MUSIC) ♪
-LENA: Judd, say it -JUDD: And what?
-LENA: in the live. -JENNI: Say it.
I promise we'll all work together again.
-Very soon. -Very soon.
-Okay. -And say, "I love these two
women they're my closest friends."
I love these two women. They're my closest friends.
Yes.