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and starts fallopian here's a little bit foggy about their environment and
economy we got an expert on the helps other discussions in fear for your work
his state he's the author of right relation building up
all protocol economy usurped
special so sincere policy council versus administrator for the and forcefully
compliance assurance
at the u_s_ embargo protection agency
earlier by jeffrey willingly after
break the habit
bypassing are no problems now are you gotta bought a big was how they're
conducting their g twenty summit it's also they're doing on this
well i think that depict they picked that date there you know that invented
that the people in that and pittsburgh last weekend
thing at that they decided to expand that elite club of up
of eight to twenty hum
patty i guess we can tell you about whether they are the right twenty but at
least your including him
from
from country that are out fairly big players on the world state but kinda
uh in indonesia you know there's pretty good mech brazil the focal brick
countries brazil restaurant and in indian charity out there
the democrats and i'm looking at the uh...
direct payment they may make a purchase picked that date that they're at their
meeting that they gathered out in april eight met in london
to confront the greatest show it to the will cut back on in our generation was
with lectures the
creko and
um... yeltsin the uh...
common with them that uh... the the the the crista downturn right here on
with the great account for the world economy and our generation
with quickly disappointing about the whole framework of that
and all the the newt coming out of it at that still fail to make the connection
between
the global economy and are much
deeper much broader much more long term
a global ecological crisis and that the real problem with the g twenty
yet now what what yeah i got a political history what he wanted to do
what it's all about the connection written about that
comparable at
for decades uh...
that the globe
opened and ah... in the world economy which is let to and a lot of things that
that that was that we think a pretty good error standard of living on the
levels of copper info on
uh... depend correlate correlate it very quickly without with climate change with
arrived in our global ecological footprint and
what we've learned from the fried died of all there
it that that matter still that we can run too much of the future without
completely undermining the ecological fix the economy we know we're heading to
climate change
with mud broader than that i mean that
the new land
each if they're going x thanks a lot to biodiversity
now auction dead zone
you know like that like the dead zone south of the mississippi revert would it
work flow down and in louisiana
elicit election that typically feel awful carl colby food
coral reef doll
have connection to global economy n
the conversation drifted in st
that that that that there's a link it would be that we need a direct strategy
to deal with the pope what with ap spicy you want to discuss the more but they're
going to have a whole discussion in copenhagen about that climate is
is that not good enough that will also madonna
well i think it
date yet it important that to have
uh... the solid but you know the well
help make make the link between to fix the economy you know that
one significant significant event that our economy have to continually grow out
into the future
which we haven't we never have that the question about what whether we can
decoupled d-link that growth
from ecological homes
uh... a problem now
inmates people get an agreement of copenhagen and that the whole other
conversation because
motor butchery
and the prep info and at that
it doesn't look very good for an agreement
if you're or for a good agreement that here
publicly gitu macroeconomic alum
paradigm of economic com
and the hope of the whole frame of reference for thinking of our economy
and i think if you we'll get that deeply
you pretty much going to come to the conclusion that we've gotta start
looking at different ways organizer
organism randhir itself looks
by doing and this parade and i hope it's not without suffering
jumpstart
is that you did dave what do you do appear to restructure the whole world
economy taking this in a town
look at
should you maybe you should by the prolly would agree with you you ship
not happen
amin that i think that uh... only way that it happens is it's things start to
go to a man ically wronged
and we would start lose some island nations and and their economies of acted
that way then they'll adjust
but for them to go down the like no no you're right jeffrey are bad
let's take this saying the county's aware our country isn't it
asking for
too much ok i think right now it that could come up and look at that point
gotta deal with the clinical reality
let's go to what what
politically people in this climate and
a personality talk about bum
though that the ecological problem a little bit more compact climate change
in a paper that we have
or got there the government in the united states that
solidly believe the what uh... the world
uh... hiker overwhelmingly are paying about climate change
but help kit
take stock of are ecological reality the nude blueprint very good
and uh...
and yet you can
couple hopeful
scenario for how to
how to make things better neck
if it really politically unfeasible
stop talking about economic growth that uh... appleton effectively of our
economy
got talking up from other indicators the colorful ordering on true measures of
well being
felt start talking about people ownership of and given profile to things
like ecological footprint
but for the family
you know if not perfect but it's a pretty equally
from understandable
measure of how were you doing up there or
bump ecological capacity faster than i can regenerate now and we've been doing
that for a couple of decades
connected
recipe for disaster if it continues
so let's also start i'm talking about that ditional measures of what you will
be no other than
quote from a product in their from interesting that you found that there's
something called the genuine progress indicator
something called
the poster the photo dependability
indicator
there's a whole bunch of other things that could be put much more out
into the public that we're very cute
but look at the fateful differently pioneered here's what i can get in to
youtube you gave us little speech that the g twenty summit
about how we need to stop the world economic growth you would be the least
popular man
that story i dont no run out of the anything out of it
oracle under talking from from you're the kind of reality check that
politicians aren't able to make right now that
that to me when you boil it down reacted
that's the dilemma
and by the way i'm not necessarily against economic growth
except the court the question that way can we continue gotten decouple it
promote the ecological impact
now that that that if i could pick
elaine corey if he got on that happen like that
now that's another way to
amplified new hampshire absolutely and that that's a conversation we need to
have to abusers then what we're talking about what are the real economic impacts
of the different business that you might run over the decisions that
different countries make so and that needs to be seen in a town not just for
ecological reasons but also for economic breeze so this is an interesting point
you make the overall
book is called right relationship fill the whole earth economy and author is
jeffrey garver jeffrey thanks so much for joining us on the outer decorative
on it will be right back