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We are training, sometimes people laugh. “What is this nonsense?”
They criticize. The leaders of the society do not encourage it.
Now yesterday I was talking with one priest about illicit sex life, he said,
“What is wrong there, it is a great pleasure.” Yes.
We are training, we are advocating that illicit sex is sinful.
Our first condition is that one must give up these four things:
illicit sex, meat eating, intoxication and gambling.
This is my first condition, before accepting. So they agree and they follow.
That’s what our clients won’t do.
Yes they will do, if regular institution runs on with all facilities.
We get so many devotees who come here.
After some time they become dedicated devotees. The method must be there.
…that was another brothel. -the hippie farm.
And I went there. The organizer took me there.
So I think if you are serious let us combinedly open an institution
where people should be trained up how to become first-class.
Children should be trained up. That will make a solution.
You have to change society then.
No, no. No change. Let society be what it is.
We train up some children as we are doing in Dallas.
And some men also, just like we have trained up. It is possible, this is practical example.
So priest should be ideal character, and they are advocating homosex.
Where is the ideal character man?
If the priestly class are going to hospital for drinking habit
and they are allowing man-to-man marriage and homosex, then where is ideal character?
Homosexuality is a sickness, an illness.
It’s just like a person can’t see, you would punish him for not seeing,
you can’t punish a person for being homosexual. That’s what our society says.
Anyway, the priestly class sanctioning homosex.
Sanctioning, they are allowing homosex.
And there was report that man and man was married by the priest.
In New York there is a paper, “Watchtower.” That is a Christian paper.
I have seen it, that paper.
They are condemning that priest is allowing man-to-man marriage.
And they are passing resolution, homosex resolution, passing, all right.
And in Perth you said the students are discussing about homosex,
in favor of homosex. So where is the ideal character?
If you want some tangible business train some people to become ideal character.
That is this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement.
But people will say what is ideal to you is not ideal to someone else.
I am giving the example of ideal character.
Yes. But that’s one opinion.
No. It will not depend on opinion. Opinion.
What is the value of opinion if the people are all āsses?
No. There is no opinion. One should take as it is enjoined in the śāstras. No opinion…
…and what if the Brāhmaṇas start to rule the world in their own interest?
No, no… It is not vested interest. It is the character. Just like sama, peaceful…
They might form a class of their own and have their own interest
and try to rule the world accordingly.
No. Because they are honest. That is the world of difference. They will not do that.
They must go according to the book. -Yes
Honest means he is not for his own interest, for everyone’s interest. That is honesty.
Now what if he’s misguided? Suppose the world changes since that book was written.
No, no. Simply because they did not follow. Just like in India.
This is the character of the Brāhmaṇas.
Later on, gradually the culture was lost since the last one thousand years
because India was subjugated by foreigners. The Mohammedans.
They introduced some of their culture. Then the Britishers came.
Everyone wants their interest.
When British rule came their Lord Mackalie’s private report was that
if you wan to keep them as Indian Hindus you’ll never be able to rule over them.
So it was British government’s policy to condemn everything Indian.
How would you react if somebody breaks into this place and tries to rob some of the…
He said how would we react if someone breaks in and tries to rob the building.
Rob? -Athief. What would we do if a thief came in.
If a thief came in we shall punish him.
You shall be violent. -Why not? Athief should be punished.
You would punish yourself? What would you do? Would you start attacking him?
No. Ourself or anyone, a thief, he has to be punished.
Athief has to be punished. Ourselves or yourself, it doesn’t matter.
Athief is thief. He should be punished.
What if he breaks in because he is hungry?
Who breaks? -He says, “What if he breaks in because he is hungry?”
Then we say everyone should come and eat. Why he should remain hungry?
We invite everyone. Come here, eat. No charge. We don’t charge.
So why should he remain hungry? Let us increase this program.
All hungry men of Melbourne city come here and take your eating sumptuously.
We invite, “Come on.” Why you should remain hungry?
What if he’s and alcoholic and he’s hungry?
We have a couple of alcoholics that come here and we give them food every night.
You do. -Yes -Just like the Gordon House? -Yes.
They come, we feed them. We have a feast every Sunday, they come.
It requires little time to practice, otherwise it is open for everyone. It is above politics.
From your point of view but we in the department depend on political decisions.
The department means another set of…
Yes, that’s just an instrument, a public will.
The minister is elected according to public will in our society.
Because they have made a department, just like your department.
What is that department? Social welfare.
Social welfare. So if they find social welfare why not help? Why they bring politics?
If actually there is social welfare here, why not support it? --Yes, well you’re right.
But in our society a minister is elected to carry out certain policies.
Not what he wants but what the people voted for.
But if your policy is social reformation.
Social reformation is not our policy. -Then social welfare.
Just to look after those who are in trouble. That’s our policy.
Well, everyone is in trouble. -Pardon?
At the present moment even the ministers are in trouble.
Yes, but that is not what our function is. Everybody is in trouble.
Physician heal thyself. You see.
They’re also drunkards, they’re also women hunters, and meat eaters and gambling.
That’s all. They require to be rectified.
But we can’t help that.
You have to change society and then society tells us to act differently.
Unless you change the society how can you make social welfare?
If you keep them as it is then were is the question of welfare?
You give a different interpretation to the words.
Basically one must be first-class, ideal man, that is wanted.
That’s why it is so very difficult.
You have to work on your own… if you convince enough people.
You find out… Our own program it is not vox populi. You find out fault with us.
You find out what is our fault. -I can’t see any fault.
Then you can disagree, but when you see everything is nice how can you not accept it?
Unless you are biased?
Of course I am biased. I’ve been brought up differently -Yes
Just like you’re biased against my life. -No we are not biased, we are allowing.
We say that if you want to be first-class man then you must not commit sinful activities.
That is our proposition.
But I as a public servant, I’m not here to change society…
We’re also public, we belong to the public. You must become our servant also.
What? We are public, members of the public. You should become our servant also.
If you are public servant.
A public servant, in our philosophy is a man who serves a minister
elected by the people. In this way he serves the public…
Therefore we are reforming the public. -Yes, that’s what I mean.
…I might agree with you that if all of us would be Kṛṣṇa. -Not all
Then a social worker would be different.
Just like we are proposing here, I’m not proposing, Kṛṣṇa says,
that one must be peaceful. How to become peaceful?
If his mind is always disturbed how he can become peaceful?
You’re quite right. So that is the secret of success.
You want to make people peaceful but you do not know how to make him peaceful.
So therefore we have to adopt this.
We have a competitive society.
We say that you chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, eat here sumptuously, live here comfortably
and you become peaceful. It is guaranteed.
If anyone, even a mad man, agrees to these three principles.
That let him chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra, take whatever nice foodstuffs
that we prepare and live peacefully, he will be peaceful.
What’s your answer that still such a small percentage,
tiny percentage of the population accept the philosophy.
Tiny percentage, just like there are so many stars in the sky, and there is one moon.
In percentage the moon is nothing. If you take percentage of the stars,
the moon is nothing. But moon is [more] important than all the nonsense stars.
But if you take percentage there is no percentage but because he is moon
he is more important than all these rascal stars. This is the example.
What is the use of taking the percentage of the stars in the presence of the moon?
Let there be one moon, that is sufficient. There is no question of percentage.
One ideal man.
Just like in Christian world, one ideal Jesus Christ.
How to you feel about Mao Tse Tung?
In China he’s the ideal man. - He’s a communist.
His ideal is all right. His idea, communist idea that everyone should be happy.
That is good idea but they do not know how to make everybody…
Just like they are taking care of the human beings in the state
but they are sending poor animals to the slaughterhouse. Because they age Godless.
They do not know that the animal is also a living being,
and the human being is also a living being.
So for the satisfaction of the tongue of the human being the animals should be cut throat.
That is the defect.
If the leaders of the society become compassionate with this movement…
Our minister regards himself as a servant of the people. He can be kicked out at any time.
That is the defect. The people are rascals and they have elected another rascal
That is the defect, then what can be done? Hopeless.
Or you can work on the…
We are going without depending on these rascals.
We are going on, we are publishing our books, we are making our movement.
We are honestly trying, that’s all. That we are doing, all over the world.
All we can do is allow you to convince the population differently.
Yes we are doing.
And when you do that then social welfare department…
Now suppose if we instruct a man, “Please do not have illicit sex.”
Have you got any objection?
If I advise somebody that, “Do not have illicit sex,” have you got any objection?
Yes, I have. -You have? -Yes
I like sex and my wife likes sex. We just enjoy it. We couldn’t live without it.
Our marriage is happier because we have sex.
Just see. This is the condition.
…enjoying sex and our marriage is happier with sex.
No we don’t prohibit sex but we prohibit illicit sex.
But I have two children. We use the pill, we use contraceptives,
we use all kinds of things. Because it makes our life…
Why do you use contraceptives?
Because I don’t want any more children.
Then why don’t you stop sex? --Because I like sex, because I enjoy it.
That means you go to the physician,
“I want to do everything I like, still I want treatment.” This is the position. You want…
I didn’t come for treatment.
No, no, I say… You have come for treatment. You have.
I was invited…
Because you are paid to control the society, your activities.
Therefore you have come here for treatment.
But when I prescribe medicine you do not accept.
I didn’t come for treatment. -No, yes. -Well you invited me.
Just to help you in your social activities, social welfare activities.
To take some suggestion from us.
But when we give the suggestion you reject it. That is your position.