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Jose Luis: What is the administrative?
Ricardo: All hisÖ, provide with his material of whichÖ,
I mean, the same was being kept supplied, what we were asked andÖ.
Jose Luis: What extra things did you ask for that back upÖ
Ricardo: that the same was brought, the same was said about the wiringÖ
Jose Luis: How much is the total of that?
Ricardo: To be honest I have no ideaÖ
Jose Luis: wire, wiring. How much is the wiring in total?
How much did you spend in wirÖDid you repair it?
Ricardo: Yes, during my working hours.
Jose Luis: ok. During your working hours.
How much did you chargÖ? How much wire did you use?
Ricardo: They only took two boxes
Jose Luis: How much is that?
Ricardo: Itís like 2,000 pesos (two thousand pesos) that accounts for the material,
plus two ìguarda motoresî (motors) of 700 each,
and other two auxiliary pieces of four hundred each (400)
Jose Luis: Total 5,000 pesos (five thousand pesos).
Guillermo3: 4,200
Jose Luis: 4,200. Correct. That is what was spent during working hours.
Ricardo: aha
Jose Luis: ok
Guillermo: why that invoice (bill) of 32,000 pesos? (thirty two thousand pesos)? Did you make it?
Ricardo: Well, yeahÖRick told me to put it.
Guillermo: Rick was the one who told you to?
Ricardo: Yes.
Guillermo: And why are you going to charge 32,000 (thirty two thousand)
for something that is worth 4,000 (four thousand)? It is a question.
Ricardo: I think that it is not fair to pay it.
Guillermo: is it not fair to pay it?
Ricardo: No, it is not fair.
Jaime: But from there derive all these minor problems, besidesÖ
here it goes, they take away from me one person, they take away from me half a shift, one person
Do you think that I am going to be able to repair when I have the material that you buy me?
8 (eight) hours are not enough; nonetheless, you are still asking, and asking me.
I have been working here for 5 (five) years and this is working.
Jose Luis: Yes, thatís true.
Jaime: As it is workingÖ. I, I I am telling you. If the parties, if the owners reach an agreement,
that panel could have been changed since it began, but they were never in agreement.
Well, I am just a worker, a simple worker and I feel sad that I wish to move forward,
to support you and you always have me like tan, tan (onomatopoeic sound).
Yesterday or the day before someone told me:
ì you know what? ????? (thank God) that they didnít fire you. Gentlemen,
if you are going to fire me, go ahead, give me what is mine by law and away I go. If I am the problemÖ
Jose Luis: who told you that?
Jaime: I mean, a person and I cannot say who it is.
Jose Luis: ok, hold on. You are not either being judged (contra la pared de juicio)Ö
what we donít like is to be taken as ***.
No one is speaking about you. Listen to me! Listen to me, please! I am not speaking about you.
I am speaking to the people who we trusted on for dealing our interests, soÖyou were told:
ìbe thankful because we did not fire youî?
Jaime: Yes. I meanÖthe thing is not that, the thing is that because I
, I say I need to know about the afternoon.
ìNo, no, youíd better not say anything. Better leave and lucky you you were not fired.î
If you are going to fire me, tell me, I mean, tell me. If I am not worth to you any more,
alright, but donít then say that Jaime is the guilty one.
Jose Luis: Thatís why we are here speaking.
Jaime: Believe me. I have seen my boys and this was a big mess with water.
Really, this was a mess. The one that made this design came to me and told me,
and told him, by then Mr. Felipe was here. They all came here and said: ìyou know what Felipe?
Good that you hired this one, this one really knows his business, otherwiseÖ
Jose Luis: Ok, letís move on to the next chapter.
Guillermo: ok. You say that it is not fair that we are charged that.
I have a question, and I would like to know, because there are people who have told meÖ
îNoo, Ricardo isÖî and we have repeat it to Tower II once and once again, the problem is not Ricardo.
We need to give Jaime, Israel and Ricardo their place, they are workers,
they are hired to fulfill/make a job.
We administrators are the ones who need to come to an agreement in terms
of what Ricardo does when Ricardo is paid; what Jaime does when Jaime is paid and to each of them,
but things were badly handled, they were handled in a non-clear way
(so as not to give it a bad descriptive adjective).
Things, information gets to us in a non-clear way.
You make a diagnostic, and you pass on this diagnostic only to Tower II, not to us.
But, when paying time comes, we all need to pay, the three Towers, and we were deprived,
up to now what it was done so as to charge thirty two thousand pesos (32,000).
So this is why we are asking. Now, you told us what you did.
What you did, was also somehow done here, well or badly done,
and no money was charged for that. Nonetheless, The Administration of Tower II insists on charging us
that bill, which you say it is not fair. SoÖ.this is Ö.
Jose Luis: ok
Guillermo: How do you work in Tower II? Are you contractorÖ?
Jose Luis: Are you on salary? As a contractor, as an external company?
Guillermo: Tell us because we do not know it.
Ricardo: I have a contract to provide with air conditioning service, in all the ÖÖ?
Guillermo: But in all of them or only Ö?
Ricardo: Only in Tower II
Jose Luis: Do you pay your employees?
Ricardo: Correct.
Jose Luis: Magnu???? Doesnít pay each of them, I mean he is an external contractor.
Ricardo: yes. I now have 6 (six) employees, including the secretary.
Guillermo: AndÖis this your only job? Or do you have another one?
Ricardo: Itís my only job
Guillermo: That means, your company only works for this.
Ricardo: yes
Jose Luis: whatís your schedule?
Ricardo: Now I am attending an English course and get here at 10:00 a.m. and leave at 6:00 p.m.
Guillermo: ok. From 10.00 to 6:00. And you people are working the same hours?
Ricardo: from 8:00 to 6:00. Only Saturdays we leave at 12:00 p.m.
Guillermo: How much do you charge so as to provide maintenance?
What about if we also hire you, for example?
We are now quoting for an engineer that gives service to all Ö(unclear)
Ricardo: if it wereÖ.since this wouldnít cause me indirect
expenses because we are already here and I wouldnít have to pay for an office,
transportation, or anything of the sortÖ
Guillermo: ahaÖ
Ricardo: If you came to an agreement, for example, a proposal if it were by the three TowersÖ
Guillermo: That you give service to the three Towers, for example?
Ricardo: aha. EhÖ I think each Tower with three people, would do the normal jobs wellÖ
Guillermo: ahaÖ
Ricardo: It would be 50,000 pesos (fifty thousand pesos) approx.
Guillermo: for each Tower?
Ricardo: Per Tower, a month including all the workers benefits and labour and being on the lookout.
If you call us any time to perform a service, we do not charge anything.
Guillermo: You donít charge extra?
Ricardo: No
Guillermo: How much is Tower II paying you now?
Ricardo: For only one Tower they pay me 60,000 pesos (sixty thousand pesos)
Guillermo: Because we have a budget, right now of an engineer, now, from another person.
Now we have a budget in which they offer us the service. Here it is. Iíll show it to you right now.
This is the budget for providing complete service to all the Tower, monthly.
Ricardo: aha.
Guillermo: Ok. Thereís nothing else to be said. Ricardo, I just want to tell you one thing:
Now we have a budget in which they offer us the service. Here it is. Iíll show it to you right now.
This is the budget for providing complete service to all the Tower, monthly.
Ricardo: aha.
Guillermo: Ok. Thereís nothing else to be said. Ricardo, I just want to tell you one thing:
if, the administration Öof the three Towers is going to pay you,
I would like you to have clear in your head that you are devoted
to the administration of the three Towers.
Ricardo: the day of that meeting they asked me again to do a recount
of the details and Osvaldo said: ìHey, may I go around, see and take down notes?
And I said: ìNo, because as you come, any other owner may also come,
they are the ones who pay, I mean you are the owner how can I say no to you...
Guillermo: letís organize a committee, Ricardo in which there will be two people from Tower III
two people from Tower II and two people from Tower I.
We are 6 (six) people, and these 6 people are going
to authorize all the expenses from common areas, pumpsÖ.
Ricardo: This is what should be done because there are several things decoration,
paint, irrigation system, that are there loose, and in bad condition.
For example, in the fountain, there are lots of cracksÖ.
Jose Luis: I am sorry to interrupt.
How long did it take you replace the wires that were worn out?
Ricardo*: Approx. 4 (four) days.
Jose Luis: 4 days. Working hours, how many?
Ricardo: working hoursÖ. Total, two days, complete.
Jose Luis: Within your working hours.
Ricardo: Aha..What has taken me the longest is Ö in the time that we
ìatendimosî were with Jaime they were like two months.
And then I realized it was too much work for Jaime and for the one coming after him.
Guillermo: And he was taken one person away, and time.
I think that is in order to make him look bad.
On top of everything, we are going to be meaner. I am going to create the need.
Jose Luis: Yes, weíll see. Now, you tell me that during those three months
you helped Jaime with some consultancy (suggestions). What did you say to him?
Ricardo: No, more than anything else to administer his needs related to chemicals,
of material for the replacement of the pumps, what it is common,
and all in relation to what he needed to buy.
We did the order, the quoting and then we passed it on to the administration.
Jose Luis: Basically that. Nothing else? You were the conduct to channel the purchases.
Ricardo: Thatís right
Jose Luis: How long did you use the catalyst to reduce the gas consumption?
Ricardo: One order was finished andÖ
Jose Luis: You did not order for it again
Ricardo: and we asked one more time.
Jose Luis: was it sent to you?
Ricardo: yes
Jose Luis: andÖ itís over?
Ricardo: Itís been like a month.
Jose Luis: you place two orders and you have been waiting for like a month
Jose Luis : Is the water still being heated?
Ricardo: yes
Guillermo: and that of the vidette?
Jose Luis: This is important because I want him to be present and to listen to this.
Have you noticed a reduction in the gas consumption thanks to the catalyst?
Ricardo: Sincerelly, we did a comparison for like about one week before injecting it,
and one week later and it was about the same room temperature,
it did no change and it was not saved. Even a bit more was spent by putting it.
Jose Luis: So, there was not a saving.
Ricardo: there was not a saving I do not know what function it has
if it is to clean the gas, to make it more fluid,
I do not know what function it might have but we did not see any saving.
Jose Luis: Ok. If it doesnít work, it doesnít work and thatís it.
We leave it here to avoid misunderstandings in the sense that:
ìI suggestedî then this son of a *** has some commissions, etcÖ
Guillermo: (laughter)
Jose Luis: If it did not work, it did not work
Ricardo*: We kept taking the weather temperature, the water and the machine temperature
Jaime: This chemical, I gave it an order (not clear) and here it is why.
Because during the cold season, you can finish up the gas
from the 20% to the 10% to the 0% and it comes out with that chemical,
but when it was not applied, it got to the 10% and the machines stopped working.
Jose Luis: and so you are saving a 15%.
Jaime: Exactly. And so the thing is, and here it goes.
Where there is a variation, when there is a minor temperature
that goes down from 27 to 15 degrees, that before then it used to go down
that one comes wrapped up in sweaters, thatís then when a bit more
is used because everything tends to cool down, including there are some pipesÖ
Jose Luis: And this year was colder than last year.
Ricardo: Exactly. So, the chemical was asked.
The first time it was given to us; the second time it was a bit less and then,
you know what? Put it off. Now I have the task of being like this with the equipment.
You know? Maintain this so forth, etc. and believe me it is more difficult.
Guillermo: who gives you these instructions?
Jaime: well, honestly they come from the Administration of Tower II.
And the thing is that we need to try to save the more we can.
And as I TRY TO SAY TO EVERYBODY: ìIf we put off the equipment, it is going to be more expensive.
Jose Luis: But it is not off now.
Jose Luis: so, 15% was saved in general back then.
Back then And so, how much is spent a month for gas?
A whole deal of money. 15% is approx.,
you are saving like 20,000 (twenty thousand pesos). Do you think this is ok?
Jaime: the thing is that, Sir in that it is the temperature.
If the temperatureÖvaries, we spend more, but if the temperature is high for Ö
Jose Luis: THATíS RIGHT, but if you do not have it you are going to spend much more.
Jaime: I, And I am happy that we are all here gatheredÖbecause the information is for you.
Guillermo: The better we communicate, the better we will interact among ourselves.
I would also like to listen to Israel because he hasnít said anything.
I would like you Israel to give your point of view.
Guillermo: Since the beginning, both since the beginning.
Guillermo: Yes, since the beginning because we are now a committee
that we are going to form for the wellbeing of the three Towers. And what would you like to say?
Israel: In fact, all the equipment is working as it was given to us.
Not an improvement nor a bad situation had occurred. Itís been the same.
This is the way we receive it and exactly the same way we give it back.
The pumps they all worked in their times, all the new equipment worked at a 100%.
In fact, an evaluation was made when they delivered all the equipment
and we turn on all the pieces of equipments and all of them worked at a 100%,
and all the equipment worked. And as Jaime said about the panel it cannot bear
because it has a dry transformer.
Israel: We give service to it every six months. Jose Luis-Guillermo: What has to be done?
Guillermo: What is to be done?
Engineer: to strip it down, put Ö.
Guillermo: Put another transformer? Bigger?
Israel: Yes
Guillermo: What is needed to be done in order to avoid that with the equipment
working at a 100%, that thing doesnít break down?
Jose Luis: How much one of those thing would cost? Aprox.?
Guillermo: Do you have any idea Ricardo? How much it would be to change the panel?
No, itís not the panel, itís the transformer.
Guillermo: Ok, the transformer
Ricardo: I do not know if you once had the need of working with all the pumps together at the same time.
Guillermo: Imagine a fire, and that we have to turn on all the damn pumps
to throw water to the building. Under that situation that thing will break down.
Jose Luis: How much would a transformer cost, engineer?
Ricardo: A transformer cost approx. eighty thousand pesos (80,000).
Guillermo: One that can provide, at a certain moment, the service to all of them without failing.
Imagine a fire.
Jose Luis: Where is it to be put? The transformer?
Ricardo: Well, the (not clear) is taken from Tower II because Tower III,
which is the closest one, I believe it still has some problems, right?
Guillermo: Yes
Israel: The transformer was put in Tower II because it was initiated with Tower II.
Tower II was the pilot and all the system is in Tower II.
Jose Luis: It has to be changed there
Israel: It was changed from there to here. The transformer was changed to this panel.
The problem here is that all the pumps are at 440, not 220.
If they were at 220 we wouldnít have any trouble. All this equipment is at 220, the big pumps are at 440,
the heat pump is at 220, which it cannot be withstood, and all the other equipments are at 220.
Ricardo: That heat pump Israel, where is it connected from?
Jaime: That was connected from Tower II.
Jaime: It was
Ricardo: How long was it used?
Jaime: It was used for about a year
Jose Luis: And what is it for?
Ricardo: To heat up the water.
Speaker: It is a heater, with the option of gas.
Jose Luis: That consumes from the damn electricity
Guillermo: Is it more expensive electrical than gas?
Ricardo: The electrical pump is highly efficient.
Luis Romo: Is it more expensive?
Israel: I believe it is cheaper.
Jose Luis: The electrical is cheaper than gas?
and we do not use it!
Guillermo: How long has it have without use?
Israel: Approx five years (5)
Guillermo: Without any use?
Jose Luis: How many do you need?
Ricardo: Like those one, you would need like six (6)
Jaime: And outside, not inside.
Ricardo:Because it produces humidity, it produces cold. Yes, here it would cause some damage to the pumps.
Jose Luis: That one cannot be ran here.
Guillermo: It shouldnít.
Ricardo: No
Israel: That was one of the reasons why it was canceled, due to the consumptionÖ
Jose Luis: And if it is put in the future, only for the Jacuzzi only?
Ricardo: Thatís the idea thatÖ.if the Jacuzzi is re activated,
see how efficient that pump is, and due to the size I believe it would be very good
to save a gas pipe (line, literal translation), instead of the gas.
Guillermo: Well, I am going to tell you only one thing Ricardo,
Jose Luis: Ok
please on behalf of the Executive Board of Tower III send us an estimate
of how much it would be to provide for maintenance to all the Tower,
because we are collecting estimates, and so for your estimate be included too.
Ricardo: Ok.
Guillermo: And the other thing, when you do a diagnostic,
a report of all this system, send us a copy please to Tower I
and to Tower III because the three of us are paying.
Ricardo: Look, what I am going to do in a future time, I have always liked to work close together.
I tried approaching Israel, likewise with the administration of Tower II,
and there were several meetings when I first started here, with Juan Bremmer,
SergioÖ, I also believe Carlos and, I was also invited to be there and uhÖ..
because I believe this has to be seen as one thing only.
Guillermo: Exactly
Ricardo: There is no need for dispute
Israel:There was never an approach, there was always a negative from your side, actually even in teams.
If I remember well, I was given the personal belongings when you started.
I asked you for them and I was sent with Cecilia, and Cecilia told me to go to the engineer,
and you never give them to me. That is not an approach. Then, when we ask for teams,
you are the first one to say no. We have helped the administration
of Tower II because I initiated with Tower II, in fact I am here since thisÖ. (unclear sound).
In fact, I know how all the installations are,
and we have never put the blame on anybody because of our mistakes, like you.
You have just sent an e-mail which says that your sewage
(line through which dirty water runs) is clogged because we throw all our sludge there.
Israel: The information is wrong from that part.
Israel: Oswaldo asked about this matter and I said, look without checking the building plans
our sewage runs through the side, they get connected in a shutoff valve together in a
Ö(unclear sound) and run next to the river, they are not connected to Tower II.
And he showed me the report, that the gentleman sent.
We used to be connected to your/his (sus) sewage and we blocked all your/his (sus) pipes,
thatís why some days ago aÖ.(unclear) cameÖ
Guillermo: I got to read those mails, and see the pipes.
Jose Luis: Why did you send those badly informed reports?
Ricardo: BecauseÖIf you focus from the correct angle,
it is not bad information because all the three Towers go to only one shutoff valve (registro).
Jose Luis: But it is not Tower III fault.
Ricardo: They do not go to only one shutoff valve (registro), itís two of them
and they do not connect to Tower III.
Jose Luis: Letís see, that mail is up to no good.
Letís speak clearly. You were told to manipulate it like this.
Guillermo: Cecy sent it to us, saying to pleaseÖ..they had to pay for a truck
and that the truck was already full, to please be careful in the cleaning of our pipesÖ
When we give maintenance to our pipes every months! Our pipes are clean, they do not have mud.
Speaker: If you put a truck which is going to extract and it is going to inject, you take out lots of things.
Israel: Look, your pipes are dirty because you do not clean them.
When I was in Tower II, every month I used to clean the pipes, same as here.
I also clean them here, and thereÖ (unclear).
With the anti fire equipmentÖ(unclear) every month, what it is done here.
Every month, if you wish to come, the days that they come to fumigate
we lift all our lids (tops), and clean all our pipes.
In fact, if you wish to check it out, every month they need to be clean. Why? BecauseÖ
Jose Luis: And why donít you do it?
Ricardo: We do it
Jose Luis: And so why is it clogged?
Ricardo: Because the line of Tower I, they yesÖ I meanÖ
may be he calls the fact of just throwing water on top, to clean it,
but I believe due to the fact that it has not much of a slope,
the pipes once in a while somebody a bit disastrous is going to throw something to the
pipe and it is going to start piling up. We found a coconut,
swollen with tow and a piece of a tube of four (4) inches in the line,
from the last shutoff valve (resgitro) to the exit.
So, I donít want to imagine what it is in that shutoff valve (registro) to the street.
Jose Luis: And what I would like you to conclude is that, you are speaking about a union
to get along wellÖ Damn it! You get along like ***.. I aint going to speak *** of you and viceversa
Jose Luis: We are going to get on. I do not want anybody to make you enemies.
If we are here is so that him and I can get along well. We are in different Towers,
you need to get on well because this is a damn boat and we need to pull it together.
Ricardo: Well, since Israel brought it about, it is very good because personal business also matters.
Jose Luis: Yes
Ricardo: Once there was, when the connection of the intercom was shared,
they were going becauseÖ (unclear)Ö and I once told him, and I remember that very well.
I am not resentful or anything of the sort, but there are times that there are words which Ö
(incomplete sentence) I donít have much to do with him because he is a bit reserved,
but once I told him, and may be I found him a bit mad because I said:
ìAnything you need, we are here to help each otherî
in relation to the fact that he went into our room, and he told me:
ìI do not come here to make friendsî. I do not know if you remember.
May be I found him mad, I got that impression, but well, we need to respect each person.
If he says, this is my limit, ok , thatís it, right?
Jose Luis: Please, do me a favor. Shake your damn hands like pals,
come to good terms and screw everybody because we have to work.
Guillermo: Ok. Good morning then. We then keep on talking.