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you david callahan is actually co-founder of the think tank
the most and he's also the author of the books forces of change
the rise of the liberal reg
and the reef making of america fascinating david was on the other drugs
prettier
alright so
this book
you what did you want to investigate initially n
or some of your
necessary assumptions little
rather at hand
contract to write a book on the reaction disney down two thousand seven when this
canal stock market was booming the real estate market was booming you know that
that the super-rich wearer
ontop didn't abn
and uh... you know i started out
with wanting to emphasize that this culture agreed i've just gotten out of
control
and instead i became intrigued by something a little more
counter-intuitive wishes
the uh... auburn
people on the left
who were rich and giving money to the democratic party
and giving management by mental groups and giving money to gay-rights groups
and i kind of veered off into this completely different terrain
and ended up writing a book about the liberal wretch
not leaving a bad guys that we're all familiar with
souls
casey was there a way of knowing as you did your research
what percentage of the rich i mean maybe throw off maybe it's not proper i don't
know uh...
or liberals and was
percent for conservative
where obama wind that americans make in over two hundred thousand dollars but i
a happy percentage point in the two candidates
uh... election
obama ronnie had attended the riches carnies
in america and that election
fatten
attached said you know i'd argue that that most withdrew rich people remain
republican
uh... and the kids
still a small minority
and that is uh... that's actually
what you might consider liberal i think that there's a lot of centrist
independent
who might at have voted for obama but the number of really liberal rich
remained small but they've got a lot of money and they have a lot of influence
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overall eight percent
more voted for obama so that's an interesting trip
so if you know we talk a lot of other public party is
goes to protect the rich
diets that painted for a second
so if they're not get their votes of
why they bother
but i think that the republican party sir
you know it believes and
free market tax cuts pack
you know it is so enamored of the ideology of uh...
it's of of the free market that
it's conflate doing things that are in the interests of uh...
of corporate america and
so much of its money stoked outcome from from corporate america
and that mean that you know that that that the the
wealthy get a lot of favorite band pat
for them by their
by the g_o_p_ there's no question about that z farms
because we have the liberal reg we have the conservative rich
and then we have corporations as a whole different
right and they have a ton of money
and it's not just the boats that these parties are going to force the money
so they can better for me to one of those signs the ticket also hear from
corporations
and corporations
well this this sometime split as well because they like to play both sides in
there like by both sides
but lately
group so the chamber of commerce bingo significantly
for the republicans
well a few hundred if you look at what kind of cooperation corporate leaders
get money from which political party which you find that
pet that republicans are a lot of money from pista defense industry from the
energy industry
from agribusiness from the construction industry
you kind of all the commonly
industries and the democrats raise a lot of money from silicon valley from
you know the tech industry from the entertainment industry
from that legal professional law firms ut the democrats are a lot of money from
there so that new economy wealthy and my book really looks at the right of the
knowledge economy
it's been a big explanation for why
more baron
which people are given money to democrats because
you know a lot of these people who've made money in their knowledge economy
super educated people there you know a lot of them when to meet universities
they grew up with uh... in
blue america they're liberal now they have money
and their politics don't change much just because they're rich
and those are the people who are helping bankrolled itself
resurgent democratic party we've seen here starting in ninety thousand four
two thousand six
far wrinkles dot org design new forces comment
with someone like bill gates is a smart guy
soup you know whether you wind up going are for a little bit and of course
famously dropped out
but he's that kind of back sarah palin
that's this is not gonna happen in
inconceivable
in the silicon valley how many people could possibly back sarah palin three
and a half of those guys okay
so
now another hand what you think well on the other rich that there are backing
the republicans in the south hills the world
then which they must be smart to but my theory and i gave it is that that's not
true
because allot of the money that that the conservative rich have
is left over it's you know somebody like ever to belsky
who did not have done
he just had the mud he inherited his money
steve forbes inherited his money
and then you have the oil guys who'll you know i happen to find a gusher in
their backyard i'm way over simplifying
way but it's a whole lot of
you're making money winnie that all in your backyard
so i'm not convinced those guys are that
bright they are greedy
and perhaps
well i think that you get on a a great point which is that uh... vetoed the
bill gates of the world
you know they're not going to go for the party of rush limbo glenn beck and sarah
palin
and i make the point that that at the wealthy class and the republican party
there aren't
going and opposite directions
the upper classes big becoming more educated more secular
more based in that echoed in america particularly on the coast
and the republican party is becoming
more
religious morbid since mark on america
and method you cated and avm
you know those are just too
very different reject trees and also the republican party with his beautiful beer
it's intern immigration stamped it's kind of
utilityman militarism abroad
and i have to turn off as well to a lot of these
uh... i i i i j k wealthy voters
every corner
if this is a passing kabi
has a lot of twists and turns here
because
agri with u_n_ as i said look i don't think those guys whether it's
entertaining to see silicon valley entrepreneurs
made a lot of margaret go both for
a party with the particular head of rush limbaugh
so it's good to get you to get a d_n_a_ let's put it that way right
those same guys a lot of them
still agree with corporate eclipse
which is
in my opinion a steam
so they say look you know business these make money et-cetera et-cetera
so if they're companies have a by a couple politicians
probably does make some sense that
where they are not reduced phelan a lot of cooperation yeah
spend a lot of money on their packs
and the pacs give contributions that are often quite different
than what the individual corporate leaders are spending money on you know
off in the tax will spoil give money to who's ever in power while that while the
corporate leaders will or
many of them will give money to democrats but just to him
uh... i
command ops
underscore underscore the point which is that
you know that the corporate world of increased we divided and you have a lot
of corporate leaders
who actually believe
that government is good that we need to invest more in education in scientific
research in infrastructure
who believe that you need to have taxes
that you need to raise taxes in order to pay for that stuff
and these people believe that you know with with uh... a strong government
higher taxes more investments will have more prosperity in the long run i left
and everybody will get rich
hemorrhage and that's a very different mindset
in the kind of libertarian antigovernment
but he felt that prevails among a a sort of right wing corporate leaders hope
it's complicated right there's a lot of as you say wrinkle for the picture here
four
at that
a lot of people that told you that in the corporations are you
researcher center
front a better word newer corporations people that still had
that entrepreneurs that are were in charge
because by
his sense of it is that once corporation because entrench and their original
there is no person behind it anymore by that their like this steve jobs is not
an apple anymore apple a generation from now
will be like all the other corporations it'll be a machine
and if the c_e_o_ does not agree that they figured into the laws and by the
politicians so they could make more money and limit competition
the machine will remove that see l
and get a new c_e_o_ who will buy the policy
but i can make a good point corporations are machine their there
focused on the bottom line till kind of steamroll anything in the in the way it
will destroy the environmental
he noticed
there on your mind that the livelihoods of workers and all of that
on the other hand what you do you find it even in those machines a lot of the
individual executives
people who might be democrats so in a way that
that the corporation is kind of that war with itself you know you have
baby-boomer leaders often who are democrats who care about the environment
care about social responsibility
and the corporate machine overall
was doesn't necessarily have those concerns
suli
let me ask you about
how this all effects politics right because the concern of the old guard
they give it on the money whether it's the coke industry brothers
given exist millions upon millions to all the different think tanks and
conservative groups so-called grassroots groups suspect comedy
whether it's murdoch who actually finances a lot of
publications that lose money winning new york post
he makes money with box
is the lose money in a lot of other things
richard nelson even the list goes on and on these
multimillionaires billionaires who fund the conservative infrastructure
so one
part of that question is is eventually going to dying out as the richard
milhous case law world pass
we give they've run out of money or whatever happens right
and never to have the levels both a similar infrastructure
or are they not s specifically political
angie approach question i think that there's always going to be wealthy right
winger in america they were trying to pack
block progressive change to ensure your second question
shoot him out of new liberal money has gone to create a new progressive
infrastructure in this country
george soros
peter lewis the insurance magnate urged her to marry and handler retired banking
couple and the list goes on a on the left of people who've who've pump tens
of millions of dollars into building a new progressive infrastructure the
center for american progress which is now
the left-wing counterpart to the heritage foundation in washington d_c_
was uh... funded by a federal billionaire
donors who basically created out of thin air
and media matters for america that they were doing a good media watchdog over
and by david brock offer funded by a bunch of rich people to democracy
alliance which is uh...
it network of wealthy individuals whose is putting tens of millions of dollars
every year it's progressive groups
many of which did not exist
just ten years ago so so there's a new surge of money and the money on the
electro fight has been even
greater a lot of it going to the so-called five twenty seven
organizations you know george soros
personally spent twenty three million dollars in two thousand four to help
elect john kerry
sold so
and i guess the results let's get to a knife would believe what you're saying
is that reviewed and that
always aayi adventure funded by soros
supplied the arms of a
over if the curtain i guess didn't trickle down to us but
out by the
it is a fascinating happen on another your book is very interesting
stalled forces of change the rise of the leverage
and the remaking of america
by david alan i think so with regard to appreciate greatly relieved alright
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