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WHY IS VAN JONES INVOLVED?
WHY IS VAN JONES INVOLVED?
WHY DOES HE THINK THIS IS SO
WHY DOES HE THINK THIS IS SO
GREAT?
GREAT?
>> WELL, VAN JONES IS A FREE
>> WELL, VAN JONES IS A FREE
PRESS BOARD MEMBER UNTIL HE WENT
PRESS BOARD MEMBER UNTIL HE WENT
INTO THE ADMINISTRATION.
INTO THE ADMINISTRATION.
VAN JONES HAS BEEN PRAISED BY
VAN JONES HAS BEEN PRAISED BY
MANY OF THESE RADICAL LEFT WING
MANY OF THESE RADICAL LEFT WING
GROUPS, AS YOU KNOW, AND HE WAS
GROUPS, AS YOU KNOW, AND HE WAS
SPEAKING THERE AT A FREE PRESS
SPEAKING THERE AT A FREE PRESS
EVENT.
EVENT.
WE HAVE THE LOGO IN THE
WE HAVE THE LOGO IN THE
BACKGROUND.
BACKGROUND.
THE REASON THEY TOOK IT DOWN
THE REASON THEY TOOK IT DOWN
FROM THEIR WEBSITE IS RIGHT NOW
FROM THEIR WEBSITE IS RIGHT NOW
THEY'RE TRYING TO LOOK LIKE THE
THEY'RE TRYING TO LOOK LIKE THE
GOOD GUYS, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP
GOOD GUYS, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP
EVERYTHING FAIR AND NEUTRAL.
EVERYTHING FAIR AND NEUTRAL.
GLENN: KIND OF HART WHEN YOU
GLENN: KIND OF HART WHEN YOU
HAVE ROBERT MCCHESNEY, THE
HAVE ROBERT MCCHESNEY, THE
COFOUNDER OF FREE PRESS NY.
COFOUNDER OF FREE PRESS NY.
EXPLAIN WHO IS HE.
EXPLAIN WHO IS HE.
>> HE IS A HARD CORE
>> HE IS A HARD CORE
PROGRESSIVE.
PROGRESSIVE.
HE IS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
HE IS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
ILLINOIS.
ILLINOIS.
HE HAS SAID THAT WE NEED
HE HAS SAID THAT WE NEED
STRUCTURAL MEDIA REFORMS, THINGS
STRUCTURAL MEDIA REFORMS, THINGS
LIKE THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE, ARE
LIKE THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE, ARE
THIMGS LIKE TAXING COMMERCIAL
THIMGS LIKE TAXING COMMERCIAL
RADIO TO IS UP SU DIES
RADIO TO IS UP SU DIES
NON-PROFIT TO PAVE THE WAY FOR A
NON-PROFIT TO PAVE THE WAY FOR A
REVOLUTION.
REVOLUTION.
GLENN: HE USES THE TERM
GLENN: HE USES THE TERM
REVOLUTION, AND HE ALSO TALKS
REVOLUTION, AND HE ALSO TALKS
ABOUT TAKING CAPITALISM APART
ABOUT TAKING CAPITALISM APART
BRICK BY BRICK, DID HE NOT?
BRICK BY BRICK, DID HE NOT?
>> HE D HE ADD SIZED PRESIDENT
>> HE D HE ADD SIZED PRESIDENT
OBAMA THAT HE MUST TAKE APART
OBAMA THAT HE MUST TAKE APART
CAPITALISM BRICK BY BRICK.
CAPITALISM BRICK BY BRICK.
GLENN: BRICK BY BRICK.
GLENN: BRICK BY BRICK.
REMEMBER THE COMMUNISTS, TAKING
REMEMBER THE COMMUNISTS, TAKING
APART CAPITALISM BRICK BY BRICK.
APART CAPITALISM BRICK BY BRICK.
THE SECOND EVEN TO HAVE NET
THE SECOND EVEN TO HAVE NET
NEUTRALITY IS SOCIAL JUSTICE.
NEUTRALITY IS SOCIAL JUSTICE.
WHEN WE COME BACK, THE THIRD,
WHEN WE COME BACK, THE THIRD,
WHICH REALLY SHOULD DISTURB YOU,
NEXT.
GLENN: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NET
GLENN: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NET
NEUTRALITY, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO
NEUTRALITY, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO
DECIDE PROBABLY THURSDAY WITH
DECIDE PROBABLY THURSDAY WITH
THE F.C.C..
THE F.C.C..
BARACK OWE EMBALM MA SAYS IT'S
BARACK OWE EMBALM MA SAYS IT'S
ABOUT ACCESS.
ABOUT ACCESS.
BARACK OBAMA SAYS IT'S ABOUT
BARACK OBAMA SAYS IT'S ABOUT
ACCESS.
ACCESS.
WE DO HAVE A PICTURE OF RAHM
WE DO HAVE A PICTURE OF RAHM
EMANUEL, WHO MAKES A LOT OF
EMANUEL, WHO MAKES A LOT OF
CALLS.
CALLS.
ROBERT MCCHESNEY, THE FOUNDER OF
ROBERT MCCHESNEY, THE FOUNDER OF
FREE PRESS, AND VAN JONES LOVES
FREE PRESS, AND VAN JONES LOVES
IT AND SO DOES SUSAN CRAWFORD,
IT AND SO DOES SUSAN CRAWFORD,
THE INTERNET CZAR AT THE WHITE
THE INTERNET CZAR AT THE WHITE
HOUSE.
HOUSE.
IT IS A GOOD THING I HAVE A
IT IS A GOOD THING I HAVE A
PICTURE OF HER, BECAUSE
PICTURE OF HER, BECAUSE
OTHERWISE I WOULD HAVE TO USE
OTHERWISE I WOULD HAVE TO USE
THIS PICTURE.
THIS PICTURE.
SHE PROBABLY WOULDN'T MIND, THAT
SHE PROBABLY WOULDN'T MIND, THAT
BECAUSE HE'S THE GUY THAT SHE
BECAUSE HE'S THE GUY THAT SHE
TURNS TO MOST OFTEN, I HEAR.
TURNS TO MOST OFTEN, I HEAR.
PHIL KERPIN FOR AMERICANS FOR
PHIL KERPIN FOR AMERICANS FOR
PROSPERITY AND CHAIRMAN FOR
PROSPERITY AND CHAIRMAN FOR
INTERNET FREEDOM COALITION.
INTERNET FREEDOM COALITION.
SHE DIDN'T CALL TO CORRECT ME
SHE DIDN'T CALL TO CORRECT ME
ON THAT ONE.
ON THAT ONE.
THAT'S WIERD.
THAT'S WIERD.
IT MUST BE TRUE.
IT MUST BE TRUE.
OK.
OK.
SO THE THIRD ONE HERE.
SO THE THIRD ONE HERE.
WE HAVE SOCIAL JUSTICE, AND THE
WE HAVE SOCIAL JUSTICE, AND THE
THIRD ONE IS CONTROLLING
THIRD ONE IS CONTROLLING
CONTENT.
CONTENT.
I THINK THIS IS WHAT MOST
I THINK THIS IS WHAT MOST
PEOPLE, MOST PEOPLE ARE WORRIED
PEOPLE, MOST PEOPLE ARE WORRIED
ABOUT.
ABOUT.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO ME?
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO ME?
I MEAN, YOU GET ON AND READ
I MEAN, YOU GET ON AND READ
ALTERNATIVE NEWS SITES.
ALTERNATIVE NEWS SITES.
I MEAN, THEY'RE THE ONES,
I MEAN, THEY'RE THE ONES,
REALLY, THE INTERNET, YOUTUBE,
REALLY, THE INTERNET, YOUTUBE,
BLOGS, JUST BEING ABLE TO SHARE
BLOGS, JUST BEING ABLE TO SHARE
IDEAS.
IDEAS.
IT IS THE PLACE WHERE WE ARE
IT IS THE PLACE WHERE WE ARE
MORE FREE THAN PROBABLY WE HAVE
MORE FREE THAN PROBABLY WE HAVE
EVER BEEN BEFORE.
EVER BEEN BEFORE.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
THE SHORT-TERM IMPACT OF THESE
THE SHORT-TERM IMPACT OF THESE
TYPES OF REGULATIONS WILL BE
TYPES OF REGULATIONS WILL BE
THAT THE INTERNET WON'T WORK AS
THAT THE INTERNET WON'T WORK AS
WELL, BECAUSE YOU WON'T HAVE AS
WELL, BECAUSE YOU WON'T HAVE AS
MUCH COMPETITION.
MUCH COMPETITION.
YOU WON'T HAVE AS MUCH
YOU WON'T HAVE AS MUCH
INVESTMENT.
INVESTMENT.
THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO MANAGE THE
THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO MANAGE THE
NETWORK.
NETWORK.
THINGS WILL MOVE SLOWLY.
THINGS WILL MOVE SLOWLY.
YOU WILL HAVE A MORE DIFFICULT
YOU WILL HAVE A MORE DIFFICULT
TIME.
TIME.
THE LONG-TERM IMPLICATION IS
THE LONG-TERM IMPLICATION IS
MORE SINISTER.
MORE SINISTER.
ALL THOSE FOLKS ON THE BOARD AND
ALL THOSE FOLKS ON THE BOARD AND
ALL THE PEOPLE WE HAVE TALKED
ALL THE PEOPLE WE HAVE TALKED
ABOUT WANT THE INTERNET
ABOUT WANT THE INTERNET
CONTROLLED AND OWNED BY
CONTROLLED AND OWNED BY
GOVERNMENT.
GOVERNMENT.
WHEN THEY PUT REGULATIONS IN
WHEN THEY PUT REGULATIONS IN
THAT DESTROY PRIVATE INVESTMENT,
THAT DESTROY PRIVATE INVESTMENT,
THEY WILL STEP IN AND PUT
THEY WILL STEP IN AND PUT
GOVERNMENT INVESTMENT IN,
GOVERNMENT INVESTMENT IN,
TAXPAYERS DOLLARS IN.
TAXPAYERS DOLLARS IN.
THEY HAVE $7.2 BILLION FROM THE
THEY HAVE $7.2 BILLION FROM THE
STIMULUS.
STIMULUS.
SUSAN CRAWFORD TOLD THE WALL
SUSAN CRAWFORD TOLD THE WALL
STREET JOURNAL THAT THAT'S JUST
STREET JOURNAL THAT THAT'S JUST
A DOWN PAYMENT.
A DOWN PAYMENT.
GLENN: HANG ON JUST A SECOND.
GLENN: HANG ON JUST A SECOND.
I THINK RAHM IS JUST EVIL.
I THINK RAHM IS JUST EVIL.
I DON'T THINK HE IS ANYTHING
I DON'T THINK HE IS ANYTHING
BUT.
BUT.
I DON'T WANT TO CALL HIM A
I DON'T WANT TO CALL HIM A
MARXIST, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK
MARXIST, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK
HE IS.
HE IS.
WE HAVE A MAOIST.
WE HAVE A MAOIST.
WE HAVE A MARXIST.
WE HAVE A MARXIST.
WE HAVE A MARXIST.
WE HAVE A MARXIST.
IS SHE A MARXIST?
IS SHE A MARXIST?
>> CYBER-EWE UTOPIAN, A LITTLE
>> CYBER-EWE UTOPIAN, A LITTLE
DIFFERENT.
DIFFERENT.
CYBER-MARXIST, FAIR TO SAY?
CYBER-MARXIST, FAIR TO SAY?
>> FAIR TO SAY.
>> FAIR TO SAY.
GLENN: SO WE HAVE MARXISTS
GLENN: SO WE HAVE MARXISTS
BELIEVERS IN NET NEUTRALITY,
BELIEVERS IN NET NEUTRALITY,
RIGHT?
RIGHT?
GOSH, IT DOES SEEM LIKE THESE
GOSH, IT DOES SEEM LIKE THESE
WOULD BE THE WRONG PEOPLE TO
WOULD BE THE WRONG PEOPLE TO
HELP, YOU KNOW, INNOVATE
HELP, YOU KNOW, INNOVATE
BUSINESS FOR IT, AND SO WHAT
BUSINESS FOR IT, AND SO WHAT
THEY WANT TO DO, IF I CAN DO THE
THEY WANT TO DO, IF I CAN DO THE
THIRD ONE, CONTROL CONTENT --
THIRD ONE, CONTROL CONTENT --
PLEASE PLAY MARK LLOYD'S CLIP.
PLEASE PLAY MARK LLOYD'S CLIP.
DO YOU HAVE THE SMALL SCREEN?
DO YOU HAVE THE SMALL SCREEN?
PUT IT UP FOR ME.
PUT IT UP FOR ME.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE POWERFUL
UNFORTUNATELY, THE POWERFUL
CABLE AND TELECOM INDUSTRY
CABLE AND TELECOM INDUSTRY
DOESN'T VALUE THE INTERNET FOR
DOESN'T VALUE THE INTERNET FOR
ITS PUBLIC INTEREST BREN FITS.
ITS PUBLIC INTEREST BREN FITS.
INSTEAD, THESE COMPANIES TOO
INSTEAD, THESE COMPANIES TOO
OFTEN BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE TO
OFTEN BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE TO
SAFEGUARD THEIR PROFITS.
SAFEGUARD THEIR PROFITS.
THEY MUST CONTROL WHAT CONTENT
THEY MUST CONTROL WHAT CONTENT
YOU SEE AND HOW TO GET IT.
YOU SEE AND HOW TO GET IT.
SORRY.
SORRY.
I DON'T HAVE MY GLASSES.
I DON'T HAVE MY GLASSES.
I CAN BARELY READ.
I CAN BARELY READ.
THIS "THEIR PLANS COULD HAVE
THIS "THEIR PLANS COULD HAVE
DIRE CONSEQUENCES FOR THOSE
DIRE CONSEQUENCES FOR THOSE
VOICES WHO ARE OFTEN
VOICES WHO ARE OFTEN
MARGINALIZED BY OUR NATION'S
MARGINALIZED BY OUR NATION'S
MEDIA SYSTEM.
MEDIA SYSTEM.
" I HAVE TO TELL YOU SOMETHING
" I HAVE TO TELL YOU SOMETHING
AND I MEAN THIS SINCERELY.
AND I MEAN THIS SINCERELY.
WHEN HAS AMERICA HAD THE
WHEN HAS AMERICA HAD THE
OPPORTUNITY OR ANY HUMAN BEING
OPPORTUNITY OR ANY HUMAN BEING
ON THE PLANET HAD THE
ON THE PLANET HAD THE
OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD THROUGH
OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD THROUGH
THE UNREGULATED INTERNET MORE
THE UNREGULATED INTERNET MORE
THAN RIGHT NOW?
THAN RIGHT NOW?
>> NEVER, AND GLENN, THAT'S WHY
>> NEVER, AND GLENN, THAT'S WHY
THEY TURN THINGS INSIDE OUT.
THEY TURN THINGS INSIDE OUT.
I THINK MARK LLOYD WHO, IS A
I THINK MARK LLOYD WHO, IS A
HUGE PROPONENT OF THE FAIRNESS
HUGE PROPONENT OF THE FAIRNESS
DOCTRINE, I THINK NET NEUTRALITY
DOCTRINE, I THINK NET NEUTRALITY
WILL END UP DOING THE SAME THING
WILL END UP DOING THE SAME THING
THAT THE FAIRNESS DID TO RADIO
THAT THE FAIRNESS DID TO RADIO
AND THE INTERNET BECAUSE THEY
AND THE INTERNET BECAUSE THEY
WILL SAY WE PUT THIS TAXPAYER
WILL SAY WE PUT THIS TAXPAYER
MONEY IN.
MONEY IN.
IT IS A PUBLIC TRUST.
IT IS A PUBLIC TRUST.
WE CAN'T ALLOW UNBALANCED
WE CAN'T ALLOW UNBALANCED
VIEWPOINTS AND THEY WILL REQUIRE
VIEWPOINTS AND THEY WILL REQUIRE
CONTENT AND REQUIRE SO-CALLED
CONTENT AND REQUIRE SO-CALLED
BALANCE AND ALLOW THOSE
BALANCE AND ALLOW THOSE
MARGINALIZED VOICES THAT MARK
MARGINALIZED VOICES THAT MARK
LLOYD TALKED ABOUT.
LLOYD TALKED ABOUT.
THAT'S WHERE THIS BECOMES
THAT'S WHERE THIS BECOMES
FRIGHTENING, BECAUSE WHEN
FRIGHTENING, BECAUSE WHEN
GOVERNMENT SENSORS YOU OR IRES
GOVERNMENT SENSORS YOU OR IRES
YOU TO ALTER YOUR CONTENT, YOU
YOU TO ALTER YOUR CONTENT, YOU
WILL NOT HAVE A WAY TO GET
WILL NOT HAVE A WAY TO GET
OUT.
OUT.
THAT'S WHY I THINK IT IS REALLY
THAT'S WHY I THINK IT IS REALLY
FRIGHTENING.
FRIGHTENING.
GLENN: DO YOU REMEMBER -- GO
GLENN: DO YOU REMEMBER -- GO
AHEAD.
AHEAD.
WHAT ARE WE DOING IN AMERICA?
WHAT ARE WE DOING IN AMERICA?
WHAT ARE WE DOING TO OUR FREEDOM
WHAT ARE WE DOING TO OUR FREEDOM
OF SPEECH?
OF SPEECH?
I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE YOU LATER
I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE YOU LATER
THIS WEEK TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
THIS WEEK TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
REALLY BEHIND ALL OF THIS.
REALLY BEHIND ALL OF THIS.
THOSE ARE A FEW OF THE
THOSE ARE A FEW OF THE
CHARACTERS, BUT IT'S INCIDIOUS
CHARACTERS, BUT IT'S INCIDIOUS
WHAT THEY'RE DOING, NOT JUST TO
WHAT THEY'RE DOING, NOT JUST TO
THE INTERNET, TO EVERYTHING.
THE INTERNET, TO EVERYTHING.
ALL WE NEED IS JUST ADD
ALL WE NEED IS JUST ADD
EMERGENCY, AND THE COUNTRY WILL
EMERGENCY, AND THE COUNTRY WILL
BE FIXED IN A, WELL, IN A
BE FIXED IN A, WELL, IN A
MARXIST UTOPIA, I THINK, BECAUSE
MARXIST UTOPIA, I THINK, BECAUSE
IF I'M WRONG ON THAT, WHITE
IF I'M WRONG ON THAT, WHITE
HOUSE, -- NO RING?
HOUSE, -- NO RING?
NOT TODAY EITHER.
NOT TODAY EITHER.
OK, BACK IN A MINUTE.
GLENN: A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT
GLENN: A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT
MUST BE FUNDED BY SOME AEROSPACE
MUST BE FUNDED BY SOME AEROSPACE
INDUSTRY PUT SOMETHING UP ON THE
INDUSTRY PUT SOMETHING UP ON THE
INTERNET THAT I THINK YOU NEED
INTERNET THAT I THINK YOU NEED
TO SEE.
GLENN: I SAW THAT ON THE
GLENN: I SAW THAT ON THE
INTERNET.
INTERNET.
SOMEBODY SENT THAT TO ME.
SOMEBODY SENT THAT TO ME.
THAT IS WHAT AMERICA IS ALL
THAT IS WHAT AMERICA IS ALL
ABOUT, THE INDIVIDUALS GATHERING
ABOUT, THE INDIVIDUALS GATHERING
TOGETHER, PUTTING THEIR OWN TIME
TOGETHER, PUTTING THEIR OWN TIME
INTO SOMETHING THEY BELIEVE IN
INTO SOMETHING THEY BELIEVE IN
AND MAKING A DIFFERENCE.
AND MAKING A DIFFERENCE.
YOU ARE THE REAL KEY TO CHANGE,
YOU ARE THE REAL KEY TO CHANGE,
NOT ANY PRESIDENT, AND CERTAINLY
NOT ANY PRESIDENT, AND CERTAINLY
NOT ANY GOVERNMENT INSTITUTION.
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
GLENN: WHAT USED TO BE A
GLENN: WHAT USED TO BE A
WATCHDOG FOR OUR REPUBLIC HAS
WATCHDOG FOR OUR REPUBLIC HAS
BECOME MORE OF A LAPDOG.
BECOME MORE OF A LAPDOG.
BARACK OBAMA CAN KEEP THE PRESS
BARACK OBAMA CAN KEEP THE PRESS
IN HIS PURSE NOW.
SEE, WHAT THE WATCHDOG WON'T ASK
IS BIG GOVERNMENT, WHY ARE YOU
TRYING TO CONTROL ALL OF THESE
THINGS?
THEY'RE EITHER IN BED OR TRYING
TO TAKE GOVERNMENT CONTROL AND
DON'T WORRY.
"NEW YORK TIMES", DON'T WORRY
ABOUT THAT, MAN.
THESE GUYS ALL SAY HE'S GOOD.
FROM NEW YORK, GOODNIGHT AMERICA
AND GOODNIGHT MRS. DUNN,
WHEREVER YOU ARE.