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================================ ======================= Good evening, I'm ernie manouse.
We are here with manor of speaking, taking your calls your questions your tweets, facebook posts, all that, on manor of
speaking.
[applause] >> good evening and welcome to manor of speaking.
We know a lot of stuff happened on tonight's show that we're going to talk about and some very serious stuff.
We'll get to that in just a moment.
I want you to know if you are tuning in for unlocking sherlock, that's coming up.
But because the show started because it did, from the huft area women's center, we are thrilled to have leticia manzano
with us to talk about the serious nature of ***.
>> Thank you.
Thank you for having us on.
>> It's important, in dramatic works, movies television and books, that the device of *** is used.
It moves characters on and stories along but it's a serious thing happening in today's society.
>> Thank you for having me on.
I think it's serious for media to put on things, someone who it's happened to so it's really important for them to know how
to get a friend help or where to find help for themselves.
>> I do want to mention oftentimes people have had experiences in their past and watching just what happened on
downton, you have a help hour people can call.
[00:02:00] >> We have a 24 hour crisis hot line for survivors of *** assaults and if they need to talk to someone who is a
crisis counselor because they captain sleep had a nightmare.
It doesn't matter, someone will take their call.
>> That number is 713-528-7273.
>> They can visit you online.
>> Ing yes, houstonpbs.Org hawc.Org.
Houston area women's center.
>> Ana's reaction was don't tell bates, he'll kill him.
You say that's not an odd thing for people to say.
>> No.
When I saw the show, I was looking for any differences that a survivor would have experienced then and now and it
seems very realistic what I see now.
I've been a counselor for 16 years, I've had a lot of experience with teens are adults, and a majority say, I'm
not going to tell my boyfriend, my husband, I'm not going to tell police, secrecy is a big thing around *** assault.
>> Mrs. Hughes what should she do in today's day and age with that information?
>> I want to address teenagers.
I think it's important if a teen or a child tells someone it's important to do something, they can go to our website, they can
just look up something online about *** assault and find help.
But when it's an adult friend to adult friend it's really important as difficult as it is for that friend to keep the
secret.
Because she -- the victim is looking for trust right now.
She just lost a lot of trust in a person that she thought she knew well enough to have a card game with, who to be in the
kitchen with and so she really needs to rely on her friends and family to do -- to take things the way she wants to.
Now, her friend, in this case, mrs. Hughes, can call for example our hot line and say, I'm a friend of someone.
I'm freaking out, what do I do?
And the counselors will help them along the way.
[00:04:10] >> One more time, 713-528-7273.
For visit online at hawc.Org.
>> Yes.
>> This is going to be part of our conversation this evening as we get into the regular show.
But there is so much more that happened on this show.
We have our regulars filling in on the couch here is a look at the grantham gazette.
‚ô™‚ô™‚ô™‚ô™ ‚ô™‚ô™‚ô™‚ô™ ‚ô™‚ô™‚ô™‚ô™ Enough sadness at downton, it is a party.
Dame nellie melba has agreed to visit and perform for the guests.
Everybody is thrilled but not thrilled enough to let her eat with the family.
Carson says however eminent she should not eat with the family.
Cora being a good american is outraged and insists that the singer join them for dinner.
Lady mary renews her acquaintance with lord gilliam.
Valet being talks to anna and bates is really not amused.
Another guest lord sampson, does quite well at poker and wins heavily.
I hope he didn't wager his canadian railway tongs.
>>> Earns are lord g's respect in the process.
Poor tom still feels out of place among the upper crust.
Why he still can't get the whole titling thing straight.
When is a duchess a duchess, and when is a grace, and countess.
And goes to his room oh my.
But the most shocking events happen while dame nellie melba is singing.
Mr. Green violent reply assaults and then rapes dear sweet anna.
Mrs. Hughes helps anna with the coverup, fearing mr. Bates reaction, as do we all.
[00:06:44] >> Remember we are interested in your comments your thoughts your ideas.
You can get us on facebook, through twitter at mos or #mos.
Or manor speak.
St. John flynn is joining us.
>> Good to be back.
>> We have ana maria martinez tonight.
And we have leticia manzano and the always knowledgeable helen mann is with us.
We are going to be talking to the real life downton abbey.
The question this week is what should be moseley's next job at downton?
Head cook or thomas's nemesis now that bryan is gone, professional can opener for jimmy or become a wild life, and
live north of the wildlife.
Game of thrones revenues.
You got to vote at houstonpbs.Org/manor speak.
We'll be looking at those in just a bit.
It was quite a night pat downton abbey.
Helen your reaction to the show.
>> I was shocked.
I had no idea this was coming and was probably as shocked as all your viewers were.
And it was just the juxtaposition of what was happening with this sort of wonderful singer singing
upstairs with poor anna on her own downstairs, going through a breathtaking experience, I was quite breath taken.
>> St. John.
>> Anna is probably my favorite character.
>> I knew this was coming.
When you said that I thought oh -- >> regardless nobody should have to go through what she went through but it's going to be
interesting to see how it plays out because she's already made reference to the fact that bates might have a violent streak in
him.
[00:08:54] >> Uh-huh.
>> But also, how it plays out downstairs versus how it would be seen upstairs.
I think that's going to be really interesting.
>> Leticia it's interesting we have seen people die on the show and rough reactions and people, something connected to the
realism of the situation where when a character dies, we know the actor didn't die, we're sad to lose that character but
something like this really brings up other emotions.
>> I think it's a very visceral response to pain we can all connect with.
Because like I said, we all know somebody.
In a previous season talking about shell shock which is actually posttraumatic stress disorder.
Which is what anna is going to go through now.
Not wanting people to touch her and all these things that happened.
And people are not going to see anna as anna, it is going to be the pre-*** and post-*** anna.
>> It's bringing something great of the moment.
Ana maria, opera, passion, drama of pain, opera really -- and they juxtaposed the two next to this.
>> Yes we had the character offing nellie melba, saying we are breaking up but no hard feelings but our love is over.
And in la boehme, it's not really over.
It's the loss of anna's innocence and the loss that was done to her and the violation and all against her will.
And mimi knows her life is over, she's just found out she is ill and will soon die.
So there is a saying good-bye to that.
So anna is saying good-bye to her innocence and to the joy she has felt and like you said there's the pre-*** anna and
the post-***, that was an incredible choice of music and there's a card game going on at the same time, which also brings
up something completely different.
[00:11:02] >> As you mentioned, nellie melba, we got the feeling, nellie melba is a very big name.
We decided in history 101, we would educate all of you like me who didn't know who she was.
‚ô™‚ô™‚ô™‚ô™ ‚ô™‚ô™‚ô™‚ô™ ‚ô™‚ô™‚ô™‚ô™ >> the real nellie melba born helen porter mitchell in 1861 went on to become one of
the most famous singers of the 20th century.
She didn't study singing until after her marriage in 1882.
That marriage proved brief but unsuccessful.
Off to europe she went.
She made her operatic debut under the name of melba, from mel borne.
She soon became the toast of european opera.
Scandal soon followed, when she was still married, started an affair with the duke of orleans, the two never resumed their
dalliance and melba's career continued on.
Melba's marriage was terminated in 1900.
During the first world war melba worked tirelessly, and was named a dame of the british, melba died in 1931 at the age of 69.
Her death made headlines around the world.
She may be gone but her name and image live on.
The australian $100 currency bears her face and a.
[00:13:20] >> Teach melba, that was in the earlier version of the script, we had to cut out peach melba.
Your thinking, mr. Rodgers how are you?
>> Very well.
>> How are things going downstairs?
>> Very fine my lord, same old same old.
>> What do you have?
>> I have treats and phone calls.
>> Let's hear from mr. Rodgers.
[Applause] >> first question, let's go to helen, did women always ride side saddle as timeless traveler?
>> Women at that time, in that class, women did ride side saddle.
I had a friend in the u.K.
Whose grandmother and I'm not that old was still riding side saddle in HER 70s AND THAT WASN'T THAT Long ago.
>> Oh wow, good for her.
>> I gather it's quite a skill.
>> Just riding english is different than western.
It's harder I think anna.
St. John, this is from sabs cat I guess.
Ten maids and 13 valets for 16 people, there's a comment, a lot, a little why are they outraged.
>> They are outraged because before the war it probably would have been twice as many servants for as many house guests.
It is a sign of the times.
The servants way of life.
They're beginning to see the impact that the war is having.
You see, the electric mixer and all those -- the technology that's coming in.
But you also see it in dwindling number of servants that guests are bringing with them.
>> Now another thing that you mentioned that you bring up that I want to go to ana maria, dame nellie was a dame already and
there was concern whether or not she should eat with the family.
You were talking to me a little bit about that.
[00:15:25] >> Even in the time that was the situation, you were considered part of the what they would refer to help.
And you had the entrance of the kitchen, that's how you maird your way and -- made your way and to this day in some circles
if an artist comes to do a presentation they will not sit at the main table.
They will be seated elsewhere.
Oh yeah.
>> Oh yeah!
>> But I will say I thought it was actually lovely to offer dame nellie to have dinner in her room before the recital.
Because you don't want to talk a lot before the performance because that does tire the voice.
While some circles consider that as rude and ignoring the artist, it's a way to focus on the performance.
>> I know you just had a -- you flew in to do our show from los angeles.
>> My pleasure.
>> Somebody who didn't fly in but went as we call it across the pond.
The real downton abbey.
Right now we have jacky hyams with us.
Good evening, jacky.
>> Good evening, ernie.
>> I guess the first question has to be, what was real life like in those stately homes?
>> Real life was great for some and not so good for others.
It depended on where you were in the pecking order.
>> Do you feel that downton really represents it the way it truly was?
>> Yes, I think there are many elements of the downton abbey series that highlight the order of the day as it were.
Right from the very beginning, julian fellowes had shown various incidents and various things that were going on right
from the beginning with the start of the titanic disaster, which underlined what was happening in that era.
[00:17:27] >> Yeah, when you put your book together, what kind of research did you have to do?
And I guess I asked that question because, us over here, across the pond, are so disconnected with that life of
those stately homes, but in the u.K.
Is it still within reach?
Can you still easily understand it?
>> Within the u.K, I think it's not readily understood, which is why there is such a fascination wi series here.
The americans themselves had a really big part to play in the history of the stately home because they were the people who
had the wealth.
They had made their money in industry and banking and they actually had the wealth to pour into some of these homes and
some of that wealth came through marriage as is demonstrated in the story line.
>> Right, with cora marrying robert.
>> And that's a perfect example of how well-researched the whole thing is.
>> Ernie: A question that comes up for us all the time that we wonder about we see the from action between the family
downtowns and the servants, and my question is was it really that connected or was there a bigger separation between
upstairs and downstairs?
>> There was a huge separation but it actually depended on which stately home you were in.
There were families who treated their servants very well.
They'd had the servants with them for many years.
And t aristocratic families, who didn't treat them particularly well.
But there was an lmentd of having to obviously retain are, and there were families who actually employed families of
servants themselves because some credit families had only ever worked in service.
That was all they had ever done.
[00:19:49] >> How much longer in time frame do we have this structure do you think before it all falls apart?
>> I think we've got -- well we've actually got up until world war ii when the actual servant thing started to really
fall apart.
So we've got quite a way to go yet with the series.
>> That means more great episodes, the book is wonderful and thank you for joining us.
>> It's a pleasure.
Thank you for contacting me.
>> Jacky hyams, author of the real downton abbey.
How life was really lived a century ago.
There you go.
How are things lived in our manor house?
We send our butler to gather those questions.
So mr. Rodgers do you have some questions for us?
>> Yes milord.
A question from lady sarah, milord.
>> Tonight was a particularly bad example but it seems like there's a lot of conflict that happens downstairs.
Why is it that people can't just do their job and get the job done?
>> St. John you seem to jump on that one.
>> Different things were done in different houses.
The servants were used to doing things in a particular way.
When you have a large body of servants coming in from another house they're used to doing things differently so inevitably
there is some friction.
>> And you have this jockeying for position because servants identify very closely with their families.
And there would be a certain amount of, well, you know, I'm higher up the totem pole than you are.
>> Ernie: Let me jump in here and say if gilliam learns what happened to mr. Green, would that be something that happened
within the house or does it go to the police?
Is it something that one household would say to the other, they would take care of it or would it go up.
[00:21:54] >> It depends on the household.
>> I mean *** was a very serious offense.
It was punishable by penal servitude and I don't think there would be any question that you know, that anna or anybody
could have pressed charges.
>> Yeah, okay.
Back out to the audience for the next question.
>> The question from master simon, milord.
>> Exactly where is thomas expected to look for his next wife, upstairs or downstairs?
>> I like that one.
Who wants to take a stab at that one?
Helen?
>> Thank you.
It's a very good question because he has a very difficult position and I think the series makes great play of that but tom
really is a fish out of water.
He doesn't feel that he belongs where he is although the family are making all the right noises about he is one of them.
>> He had a more mature woman who seemed rather interested.
[ Laughter ] >> I was just thinking that could have taken off somewhere.
We do have another had of new characters entering the show.
Maybe in this new group of characters there is someone for tom.
We thought we would look behind the scenes, find out who are these new characters and why are they there.
>> Well as usual in the upcoming season we have lots of new characters coming in.
>> They're all really handsome.
>> The first person who comes in is lord gilliam who was tom cullum.
He used to visit them when he was a child with his parents.
>> He comes across mary and he admires her very much.
She likes him, no question about it, they all like him.
>> And he's someone whose heart rules his head.
>> And nigel harmon comes as the new valet of the house.
[00:23:56] >> There's a great house party and green is getting them all play racing demon in the servants hall and that's
opposite what should be happening.
>> Another character, blake.
>> My character, charles blake, gets off on the wrong foot with lady mary.
He has a chip on his shoulder about people with privilege.
>> And gary carr is joining the show, there is interest of the first black character on the show, a sequence in london.
>> We've got a new lady's played for lady cora.
>> She got the job through thomas's machinations.
He's obviously got some kind of a hold over her.
>> And we have dame nellie melba who's the great opera star of that period.
And we're very fortunate because dame kiri takanawa, we were listening to her for nothing quite a big treat.
>> We have ana maria martinez, we don't need her there.
>> She's beautiful.
She's wonderful.
>> How about some phone calls?
But because some of you can get away with spoilers we take the phone calls and mr. Rodgers notes them down for me and
brings them to me.
Mr. Rodgers, some calls?
>> Here you are milord some phone calls.
>> Well let's hear what you have to say.
Shirley, I don't like anna suffering, she and bates suffered enough, why did julian fellowes pick her?
>> The couple you love, all of a sudden put through this turmoil the very last scene?
[00:26:00] >> I think it was either a really smart move to get someone that everybody loves because no one can blame her for
what happened.
Because it's very easy in this society to say she did this she did that, and she shouldn't have been there, she had a headache,
she went downstairs, everybody loves her husband, it is probably a very right decision to do that.
>> What do you think, when edna went into tom branson's room?
I think we all know what happened!
Now rachel come on!
It was stud service.
>> I think she went to play tid tiddlywinks.
>> I think the downstairs is as rigid as the upstairs.
>> Who sits next to mr. Carson, he is the power figure there and that's the pecking order downstairs.
>> Mary sat at the center of the table not at either head of the table.
Being a very important position.
We all think the head of the table but that side center position has access to more people.
>> Absolutely.
>> Also she was sitting opposite the earl.
>> Those positions are -- >> it makes an easier conversation around the dinner table.
>> Okay I'm glad mary is back to being sassy mary and tom is back to being uncomfortable around hoyty-toyty people.
, And why can't I have my own personal mr. Carson?
Makes me coffee whenever I want i.T.
I'm fascinated by mrs. Hughes, everyone wants to confide in her but she tells everything.
To somebody.
Sometime.
Does everyone think smees going to keep this information and nobody is going ofind out?
[00:28:12] >> But there's strange to her -- >> always tells something.
>> Maybe they want that, you choose someone who will be compassionate when you are saying what you need to express
but then will use judgment to say the to the right person.
And I think -- >> I'm going to cut you all off.
I'm cutting you all off because time is against us yet again this week.
We need our poll results.
The question was what should moseley's next job be, thomas's nemesis or professional can opener or game of thrones.
You picked thomas's nemesis now that o'brien is gone.
I will say, you folks have all been up to the task tonight as you all at home have been.
Remember next week sherlock is coming and sherlock will come immediately after manor of speaking, we have got our
wonderful panel to think also, leticia and st. John, thank you very much for coming in and the lovelies, the other side of me
ana maria and helen.
And thank you very much for watching at home.
We're interested in your comments, questions, and keep in touch.
Good night.
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