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the weather finally he well it was so below freezing when I
I got up this morning the boat didn't freeze up but the there in the river
starting to
bobert a you know we had that
interesting conversation some weeks ago with a climatologist about how
because the Arctic is warming four times faster than
than the old the mid-latitudes in the North America that
temperature gradient the difference in temperature between the North American
air
and the arctic air that gradient that difference in temperature is not as
great
as it was just twenty years ago and
a course with the storm like on a cold front moves through you know the cold
air behind the warm air in front the difference in the
in the two temperatures is what terms are strong storm is up a great the winds
are
and secure really warm air really cold are you gonna really big storm official
a few
few degrees difference he may get a few raindrops similarly
the temperature gradient between the North American air
master the northern con northern I hemisphere air mass
and the polar air mass used to be that would be the difference in temperature
history quite substantial and kept the jet stream
up to the north it has declined substantially because the polar regions
are warming four times faster than the
then the that are than our region
plant itself is warmed about 1.4 degrees last 50 years
and Celsius and such
the so the country into this is that in all is polar it
so here is slopping out on top is totally counter-intuitive global warming
is making a colder
arm now into this steps the folks who say well gee let's
dumb more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere Daniel Weber is with us the
founder of the Association amateur
American citizens a.m. AC .us
is their website Daniel welcome to the program
Tom thanks for having a Mac line and I appreciate this discussion
so II you know I
I spent some time on your website i read your article we need a new energy policy
which people can read it a Mac to US
and it seems to me
rather frankly disturbing um
your beard use in the bubble in North Dakota which
happens whenever you know large deposits oil get discovered in
and you haven't had enough time to get workers there in infrastructure there
to suggest that if we only let
the oil industry go nuts everybody would be a key be making fifty bucks an hour
and that more
carbon in our atmosphere is any more jobs I think it's going to be more
it is going to be in a lot more jobs will mean a lot more jobs rebuilding
places like the damage from Hurricane sandy in damage from Hurricane Katrina
the damage from the mile-wide tornadoes
and mom I think the sciences at I messed up but you know what I think we would
both agree on
is solo science is not out the sciences in Daniel
I well yea what causes the ice cap in
I slant to melt not to have been dioxide but particles
minute particles of dark material that attracts the Sun
deadly leaves little puddles on the ice two parties become bigger
and the puddles draw more energy and causes the ice to melt further
the diminished lb to affect is wanna is wanna multiple factors Daniel but if you
if you bothered to read the IPCC report you'd see that it's
it's actually a rather it's a much smaller factor than the fact that we're
now we now have
more than 400 parts per million of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere
a number that has never been reached in the history of the human race
well tell me what caused the ice over Manhattan which was one mile
sect 10,000 years ago to melt it had nothing to do
with by human activity on much of it is left so hot
tell me like tell me what caused the Great dying of 250 million years ago in
the Permian mass extinction
paid you want to talk about solar and wind well at the point I want to make is
that
if you're saying that the science is out you're wrong I
well we can argue about that but we can't there there is no argument
that the science is and I'll warming is real cheap global warming is being
caused by greenhouse gases
in large part and as you correctly point out so I in the air
which is the result of burning these fossil fuels as well
and and you're arguing that we should have more of this and that seems to me
I'm not not just suicidal but actually homicidal toward future generations
i'm not i'm saying solar and wind
this is not what I'm reading your hear what i'm reading here is that you're
saying %uh Ferrari
Weber believes the federal government needs to reconsider you need to recon
wean we are we need to reconsider our green agenda in light of the
technological progress the energy sector's made
the short term we got a lower energy costs for american families life
and we've got as well because american families wanna live better
so so instead lower energy costs why don't we put the same amount of
is that a given subsidies the oil industry's why don't we Payel people
insulate their homes
okay lead but let's talk about replacing
the ka-band up causing energy with solar and wind
and tell me why the Interior Department
has put a ban on thirty million acres
for solar and wind they've only allowed 600,000 acres
to be used they just fell to five square mile solar collector in New Mexico
which is gonna work is going he'd like or provide energy for 70,000 homes in
the works and I like solar
and yet the interior department is saying no
we got thirty million other acres and the
federal government is not allowing private enterprise
to develop that will win are they allowing our loyal those thirty million
acres are they allowing us to develop it for
say a office buildings and no but don't need it
press did they are talking about Yellowstone I mean of course they're
gonna say no you're not gonna turned into a solar collector
advance wastelands all over the country and you know that past waste lands that
are part of our national heritage in their part over natural
ecosystems Tom the problem is this administration does not want to follow
the law
that's nonsense this ministry I just found the Interior Department contempt
of court
for continue to slow down the Gulf of Mexico drilling permits
20 and then I can go on and on and on yeah I know you want you are more
drilling you are more fossil fuel that the you know if the addicted
ministrations try to stop that I'm all in favor of I like natural gas because
that's a very clean
and we need it now the story came out was which shows that it's not clean it's
actually producing the
roughly the same on a greenhouse gases all the other forms because the leakage
cuz a frackin you you've got about in a bit this enormous amount to legally
leakage add that that is more than making up for you know so these green
buses that are burning natural gas
the putting the same amount when you consider the leakage from the co2
and and not only that the fracking is poisoning our water sports
check a night tonight talk briefly about the Olympics real quick
certainly okay Lindsay one the downhill ski racer
mmm she had to be replaced in the Olympics and you know who they wanted to
replace OS
no Barack Obama you know why
no because he's going downhill fast that than anybody
I and harvard is the lack of energy policy
we need to have an energy policy the lower the cost for american families
your president speech today
but me did you hear the president speech today about energy balls and working all
day actually have been or
for this he working all day okay will present especially about his energy
policy
in which he suggested that we should be dialing back
in fact not suggested he's he's is a instituting
a policies that are going to require
harshly or fuel efficient without congress again ignoring the Constitution
you mean the way ronald reagan did George W Bush did the dishes more times
than not Brock Obama has
and I and I'm not saying I agree with that either Tom yeah
well it it is with enough it's not explicitly laid out the constitution
that a president can sign an executive order
but he is given the authority he's given the job of carrying out the law's how do
you do that without an executive order
and we're on the same side on that I guess
they know whether is the founder of the Association mature
American citizens AMAC .us is the website being a thank you for dropping
by
great night top the docking teacher will be ready
this is the Thom Hartmann program which side are you on
more side are yeah I'm not gonna try and saying it you know the song will be