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>> YES, IF YOU WILL. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, TODAY WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
INITIALLY WE'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT RELATES TO
HAPC, DONNA PHANEUF IS HERE WITH US TODAY, AND SHE WILL PARTNER
WITH FRANK DUKE ON THAT PRESENTATION.
THEN ALSO, I BELIEVE YOU RECEIVED A NOTE LAST WEEK ABOUT
THE HAMPTON ROADS SANITATION DISTRICT AND A STUDY THAT CAME
OUT. WE DID NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY
TO BRIEF THE COUNCIL, SO TODAY, KRISTEN LENTZ WILL GIVE YOU AN
UPDATE OF OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL RELATED TO THAT
STUDY. BUT BEFORE I TURN IT BACK OVER
TO YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS RECOGNIZE
SOME MEMBERS OF TEAM NORFOLK FOR SOME VERY GOOD NEWS.
LAST WEEK, WE RECEIVED, THAT'S AN UPGRADE FROM S&P, SO OUT OF
THE THREE RATING AGENCIES, BOTH FITCH AND S&P HAVE THE CITY ONE
NOTCH BELOW THE HIGHEST RATING THAT YOU CAN HAVE IN TERMS OF
YOUR BOND RATING, AND WE STILL ARE WORKING ON MOODY'S.
WE'RE TWO NOTCHES AWAY FROM THE HIGHEST RATING THERE.
I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE MEMBERS OF THE TEAM THAT
ACCOMPANIED ME TO NEW YORK, THAT'S SABRINA JOY-HOGG AND WE
ALSO HAD RON WILLIAMS, DARRYL HILL AND KRISTINE GARZINSKI,
WALTER JOHNSON AND ALEX KELLY. WE GOT ON THEIR TURF AND PUT UP
A PRETTY GOOD FIGHT, SO I'M VERY, VERY PROUD OF THE TEAM,
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S AN EFFORT ACROSS THE CITY, ONE OF
THE THINGS YOU RECOGNIZE IS THE ACTIONS OF COUNCIL IN TERMS OF
APPROVING THE LONG-TERM FINANCIAL POLICIES AS WELL AS
THE WILLINGNESS TO WORK ON THE REVENUE SIDE OF THE EQUATION
TOO, SO KUDOS FOR THE ENTIRE CITY AND WE'RE VERY PROUD.
I'M VERY PROUD OF THE TEAM AND THE ACCOMPLISHMENT.
I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT. >> WELL, THANKS FOR MENTIONING
ALL THEIR NAMES AND ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, CITY COUNCIL, WE WANT
TO EXPRESS OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR THANKS AND GRATITUDE FOR A GREAT
JOB. I WAS HERE ONE TIME WHEN I GOT A
PHONE CALL FROM THE MANAGER SAYING WE'D WITHIN DOWNGRADED
AND THIS PHONE CALL WAS A LOT BETTER, SO -- BUT IT TOOK A LOT
OF WORK AND A LOT OF, I MEAN INTENSE WORK, I KNOW, SO I JUST
WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THAT.
THE RATING AGENCIES NEVER TREAT US FAIRLY, NEVER, BECAUSE THEY
DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MILITARY, DON'T UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THINGS
ABOUT NORFOLK, BUT THIS TIME, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WERE ABLE TO
COMMUNICATE SOME OF THE GOOD THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING HERE,
SO WE APPRECIATE THAT, MARCUS. CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU FOR YOUR
HARD WORK. >> I MENTIONED TO MR. BURFOOT A
FEW MINUTES AGO THAT STANDARD AND POOR'S IS THE SAME RATING
AGENCY THAT DOWNGRADED THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA LAST
YEAR, SO WE MUST BE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT.
>> YES. THANKS, MARCUS.
I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE SOMEBODY CAN FIND OUT, BUT WE MAY BE -- FITCH
HAS ONLY BEEN GRADING US FOR -- TEN, 12 YEARS, SOMETHING LIKE
THAT. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE
IN THE BIG PICTURE, IS THIS MAYBE OUR BEST POSITION IN BOND
RATINGS YET, SO -- OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE DIRECTLY TO
THE HAPC PRESENTATION BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME GUESTS HERE AS WELL,
AND MARK HAS TO LEAVE HERE AT A -- 3:15, SO IF WE HAVE ANY
COUNCIL CONCERNS, WE'LL TRY TO PICK THEM UP LATER ON.
HI, DONNA. >> HI.
>> THANKS FOR COMING. >> THANK YOU.
>> THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE HAPC COMMISSION AND FRIENDS AS WELL,
SO MR. MANAGER, YOU WANT TO BEGIN OR HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO?
>> WE'LL GO RIGHT INTO THE PRESENTATION.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANY COMMENTS YOU WANTED TO MAKE.
>> I SURE DO. >> BEFORE I BEGAN.
>> I ABSOLUTELY WOULD. I HAVE A NICE LITTLE
INTRODUCTION FOR MARCUS AND STAFF MEMBERS AND CITY COUNCIL,
SO I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH THAT FIRST AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO
FRANK TO TAKE OVER. JUST A LITTLE INTRODUCTION HERE.
MY NAME IS DONNA PHANEUF, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF DESIGN
ARCHITECTS, A CLURL FIRM -- ARCHITECTURAL FIRM LOCATED DOWN
IN DOWNTOWN NORFOLK AND WE SPECIALIZE IN WATERFRONT AND
URBAN REDEVELOPMENT, WHICH HAS LED TO MY INVOLVEMENT OF THIS
COMMITTEE, OF WHICH I HAVE CHAIRED FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
THE COMMITTEE IS HAPC, BETTER KNOWN AS THE HISTORIC
ARCHITECTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, WHICH IS CONSTITUTED
BY YOU, OUR CITY COUNCIL, IN 2008.
HAPC IS HERE TODAY TO ADVISE YOU ON STRATEGIES TO ENHANCE OUR
CITY'S POSITION WITH RESPECT TO PRESERVATION AS PRESERVATION
RELATES TO OUR CITY'S HISTORIC STRUCTURES, LANDMARKS, ANNUAL
DISTRICTS AS WELL -- AND DISTRICTS AS WELL AS DESIGNATION
METHODS FOR FUTURE LANDMARKS AND DISTRICTS.
THERE ARE THREE SPECIAL ELEMENTS I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT WHICH
CONTRIBUTE TO MAKING OUR CITY THE NOTABLE AND MEMORABLE PLACE
THAT IT IS TODAY. FIRST OF ALL, I BELIEVE THAT WE
ARE AN ESTABLISHED, CULTURALLY DIVERSE CITY, NOTED FOR BEING
FOUNDED IN OUR COUNTRY'S EARLY LIFT.
SECONDLY, WE HAVE A WEALTH OF SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURES,
NEIGHBORHOODS, AND DISTRICTS WHICH ARE THE AMBASSADORS
REPRESENTING THESE EARLY PERIODS OF OUR HISTORY.
AND THIRDLY, WE HAVE A DYNAMIC HISTORIC DOWNTOWN SITED ON A
GORGEOUS WATERFRONT WHICH CELEBRATES THESE EXTRAORDINARY
TIMES OF OUR CITY. YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT EACH
OF THE THREE SPECIAL ELEMENTS I JUST MENTIONED EXIST AND ARE A
PART OF WHAT WE ARE KNOWN FOR BECAUSE OF THE REFERENCE TO THE
MOMENTOUS HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT THAT OUR CITY OWNS.
HAPC'S WORK HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON DEVELOPING THE TOOLS NECESSARY
FOR OUR CITY TO RETAIN AND PROMOTE SUSTAINING OUR HISTORIC
RESOURCES. THESE TOOLS, WHICH WILL BE
INTRODUCED TO YOU TODAY, ARE PRO DEVELOPMENT TOOLS, BOTH PRIVATE
AND PUBLIC ENTERPRISES CAN PLAY WITH.
OUR CHAPTER 9 RECOMMENDATIONS IN PARTICULAR GUIDE FUTURE
DEVELOPMENT INTEREST ON HOW TO RESPECT THE RICH CULTURAL
ARCHITECTURAL OFFERINGS WHICH ARE REVEALING TO NEW CREATIVE
OPPORTUNITIES HERE IN NORFOLK. WHILE NORFOLK IS SEEN IN THE
EYES OF OTHERS AS A LEADER FOR MANY OF THE INITIATIVES AND
ACCOMPLISHMENTS IT HAS TO DATE, PRESERVATION IS ONE OF THE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE CITY TO BECOME A LEADER.
LINK CITY GOVERNMENT TO PRESERVATION AND HAVE
PRESERVATION BECOME AN EXPECTANCY.
WITH THAT SAID AND TO HELP DEMIST SI PHI SOME OF THE --
DEMYSTIFY SOME OF THE RESERVATIONS, I WANT TO BE CLEAR
WHAT OUR WORK IS AND WHAT IT IS NOT, WITH A NOTION TO
ESTABLISHING THE EXPECTANCY OF PRESERVATION AND LINKING
PRESERVATION TO OUR CITY GOVERNMENT POLICIES.
FIRSTLY, OUR WORK IS NOT PRESERVATION FOR THE SAKE OF
PRESERVATION. IT IS ABOUT PRESERVATION FOR THE
RIGHT REASONS AND FOR RETENTION OF OUR HERITAGE.
PRESERVATION DOES NOT BRING LIMITATIONS TO DEVELOPMENT
OPPORTUNITIES. IT ONLY ENHANCES THE
SOPHISTICATION OF HOW THESE OPPORTUNITIES BECOME REALIZED.
SECONDLY, OUR WORK IS NOT ABOUT DEMOLITION OR NO DEMOLITION.
IT IS ABOUT DEMOLITION AS RELATED TO SPECIFIC CITY AND
STATE GOVERNMENTAL PROCESSES TO ENSURE PROPER PROCESSES FOR THE
VERY PERMANENT AND UNREVERSIBLE ACT.
DEMOLITION IS UNREVERSIBLE. OUR CHAPTER 9 RECOMMENDATIONS
TODAY SHOULD BE THOUGHT OF AS AN ACCESS PORTAL, A PORTAL OR
GATEWAY TO FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES, PARTNERS
OPPORTUNITIES, AND A GATEWAY TO ESTABLISHING NORFOLK AS A LEADER
IN THE REALM OF PRESERVATION AND ULTIMATELY VERY SOPHISTICATED
DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS. WITH THE ACCEPTANCE OF OUR
RECOMMENDATIONS HERE TODAY, THE FOLLOWING BENEFIT WILL OCCUR
ALMOST IMMEDIATELY. YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE NOTE OF
THESE. OUR CITY'S HISTORIC REVIEW
PROCESSES WILL BECOME SIMPLIFIED.
ALL OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS WILL BE GOVERNED EQUALLY.
WE'LL CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE TO
AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD AND WE'LL BE PREPARED TO APPLY
FOR A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT STATUS KNOWN AS CLG.
THIS STATUS WILL ALLOW US TO BECOME LINKED TO A BROADER BASE
OF STATE AND FEDERAL GRANT FUNDING RESOURCES THROUGH
SPECIAL INITIATIVES OF THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC
RESOURCES AND THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR.
CURRENTLY THERE ARE FUNDING SOURCES AVAILABLE TO SUPPORT
FLOOD PROTECTION IN HISTORY DISTRICTS THROUGH THE NATIONAL
PARK SERVICE, BUT ONLY IF WE SEEK THE STATUS AS A CITY WHO
WILL BE ABLE TO SECURE SUCH FUNDS.
AS A 30-YEAR SEASONED ARCHITECT WITH A FASHION FOR MODERN
ARCHITECTURE AND CONTEMPORARY PATTERNS, I GREATLY APPRECIATE
THE CHALLENGE OF DEVELOPING PROJECTS WHICH HAVE WELL-DEFINED
RESTRAINTS AND EXPECTATIONS WITHIN THEIR GIVEN CONTEXT.
IT IS THESE VERY ELEMENTSES WHICH PRODUCE THE MOST
INTELLECTUAL RESULTS AND CONTRIBUTE THE HIGHEST TO THE
RESERVOIR OF OUR FUTURE INVENTORY OF HISTORIC RESOURCES.
I'M NOT ONLY PASSIONATE ABOUT ARCHITECTURE, BUT ABOUT THE
DESTINY OF THE CITY I LIVE AND WORK.
I BELIEVE OUR COMMITTEE HAS VETTED VERY CAREFULLY THE
RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU WHICH REPRESENT BEST PRACTICES, AS IS
EVIDENT THROUGH OUR RECENT RECOGNITION OF OUR CONTRIBUTION
TO THE 2030 PLAN NORFOLK WHERE WE CREATED THE CHAPTER DEDICATED
TO PRESERVATION TITLED PRESERVING OUR HERITAGE.
THIS IS SOMETHING THE CITY HAS NEVER HAD BEFORE.
IT IS A NEW DAY FOR OUR CITY THAT ONLY GOOD THINGS CAN STEM
FROM ACCEPTANCE OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ESPECIALLY WANT TO
THANK FRANK AND HIS STAFF AND GEORGE, SUSAN AND ESPECIALLY
ADAM FOR ALL OF THEIR EXTREMELY HARD WORK, THEIR RESEARCH,
PATIENCE, SUPPORT AND GUIDANCE FOR OUR COMMITTEE.
WE HAVE RECEIVED AN EDUCATION IN THE PROCESS OF ARRIVING AT THIS
PLACE TODAY AND GREATLY APPRECIATE ALL THAT WE HAVE
LEARNED IN DEVELOPING AS A TEAM OF ADVISORS TO YOU.
SO WITH THAT SAID, FRANK IS GOING TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF
THE DETAILS OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND I'LL LOOK
FORWARD TO FURTHER DISCUSSION AS WELL AS WHAT MAY COME FROM THE
UNDERSTANDING IF WE ALL GROW TOGETHER WITH THE NEED OF THE
CITY STAYING A STRONGER STANCE TOWARDS PRESERVATION.
>> YOU WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FOLKS WHO ARE HERE WHO ARE ON
YOUR COMMITTEE? >> ABSOLUTELY.
YES, WE HAVE GRETA GUSTAVSON HERE, WE HAVE PAIGE POLLARD AND
WE HAVE MARK AND -- ANY OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS?
I BELIEVE THAT'S IT. >> MARK PERRAULT.
>> MARK PERRAULT, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT.
[ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ] >> AND AS I UNDERSTAND, THE
PRESENTATION TODAY WILL THEN BE MOVED BACK TO THE PLANNING
COMMISSION FOR THE PURPOSES OF A PUBLIC HEARING.
>> YES, SIR. IF THE CITY COUNCIL CONCURS --
THE WAY HAPC WAS CREATED, THEY MAKE THEIR REPORT TO YOU.
IF CITY COUNCIL CONCURS IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION IN WHOLE OR IN
PART, THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE DIRECTED WOULD THEN BE PRESENTED
TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THAT WOULD BEGIN THE PUBLIC
HEARING PROCESS. >> WHICH COMES BACK TO US --
>> WHICH WOULD COME BACK TO YOU --
>> TO VOTE UP OR DOWN. >> ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS
AFTER TODAY. >> SO WE'RE NOT MAKING DECISIONS
TODAY. THIS IS JUST BEGINNING THE
PROCESS. >> YES.
>> DONNA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE FIRST FEW SLIDES ARE A
PRESENTATION OF WHAT HAPC WAS DESIGNED TO DO.
AS DONNA INDICATED, THE COMMITTEE WAS CREATED IN 2008
AND WAS SPECIFICALLY CHARGED WITH DEVELOPING IDEAS ABOUT HOW
WE COULD ENHANCE OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAMS, TO REVIEW
THE PROGRAMS AND ORDINANCES AND POLICIES THAT WERE IN PLACE, AND
LOOK AT HOW WE COULD MODIFY THEM TO BETTER PROTECT SOME OF THE
HISTORIC RESOURCES IN NORFOLK. THE FIRST YEAR AND A HALF THAT
HAPC WAS IN EXISTENCE, THEY DEVELOPED SOME PRELIMINARY GOALS
WHICH WERE PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL COMMUNITIES AND PUBLIC
SAFETY COMMITTEE BACK IN 2010 AND THOSE ISSUES WERE, THEY
WANTED TO ENSURE THE PRESERVATION WAS RECOGNIZED IN
PLANORFOLK2030, WHICH HAS BEEN DONE AS DONNA INDICATED.
THEY'D LIKE TO, IN DRAFTING THE ORDINANCES, TRY TO ENSURE THAT
NORFOLK WOULD QUALIFY FOR CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT
STANDING, AND THEY WANTED TO IMPROVE UNDERSTANDING OF
HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR DEVELOPING
WITHIN THEM THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND SO ONCE THE COUNCIL
COMMITTEE RATIFIED THOSE THREE BIG GOALS, THE NEXT ISSUE THAT
HAPC CAME UP WITH WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT HOW THEY COULD
INCORPORATE THOSE INTO ORDINANCE REVISIONS FOR CHAPTER 9 OF THE
ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT ORDINANCE.
AGAIN, THE THREE THINGS THAT BECAME A PRIORITY FOR THESE
ZONING REGULATIONS WERE TO QUALIFY FOR CLG STATUS, TO
ESTABLISH A STATUS FOR PROTECTING INDIVIDUAL
PROPERTIES, HISTORIC LANDMARK PROGRAM AS OPPOSED TO A HISTORIC
DISTRICT PROGRAM, AND TO TRY TO SIMPLIFY THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE,
AS I'M SURE DONNA, PAIGE AND GRETA, WHO WORK WITHIN THESE
ORDINANCES ALL THE TIME, WILL TELL YOU, IT IS A LITTLE -- WHAT
WE HAVE NOW IS SOMEWHAT COMPLICATED.
SO IT WAS HOW DO WE MAKE THIS SIMPLER.
DONNA ALREADY TOUCHED ON THE ISSUE OF A CERTIFIED LOCAL
GOVERNMENT. IT REALLY DOES NOT ESTABLISH ANY
MORE OVERVIEW OF THE CITY. IT DOES QUALIFY US FOR FUNDING
PROGRAMS THAT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T QUALIFY FOR AS WELL AS SOME
TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE THAT WE CAN'T GET AT THIS POINT.
IN ORDER TO DO THIS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW
BOARD WITH REAL DECISION-MAKING AUTHORITY.
OUR CURRENT BOARD THAT COMES CLOSEST TO THIS IS THE DESIGN
REVIEW COMMITTEE, BUT THEY HAVE NO DECISION-MAKING AUTHORITY, SO
THESE WERE THE TWO BIG ISSUES THAT HAPC WAS TRYING TO DEAL
WITH FOR THE CLG STATUS. >> FRANK, LET ME ASK YOU A
QUESTION. >> YES, SIR.
>> WHEN YOU SAY DECISION-MAKING AUTHORITY, YOU MEAN SIMILAR TO
THE PLANNING COMMISSION? >> YES, SIR.
>> THAT LEVEL? >> YES, SIR, BECAUSE ANYTHING
WOULD STILL BE APPEALABLE BACK TO CITY COUNCIL.
CITY COUNCIL WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT AUTHORITY IF SOMEONE
WAS AGGRIEVED OR DID NOT LIKE THE DECISION, THEY WOULD HAVE
THE ABILITY TO BRING IT TO CITY COUNCIL JUST AS IS THE CASE NOW.
>> THANK YOU. >> AND SO HAPC HAS RECOMMENDED
THE CREATION OF AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD.
THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THIS BOARD BE COMPOSED OF A
GROUP SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO OUR CURRENT DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE,
A LITTLE BIGGER THAN WHAT IS PROPOSED FOR THE DESIGN REVIEW
COMMITTEE. WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS SIX
PROFESSIONALS AND HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARCHITECTS,
LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROFESSIONALS, AS
THE TYPES OF PROFESSIONALS YOU'D BE LOOKING FOR.
TWO PEOPLE WHO LIVE OR OWN PROPERTY IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
RIGHT NOW, THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED TO HAVE
ONE, AND THEN THEY WANTED TO TRY TO STRENGTHEN THE CONNECTION
BETWEEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW
BOARD, SO THEY ARE RECOMMENDING ONE PLANNING COMMISSIONER BE
DESIGNATED AS A MEMBER OF THE ARB.
>> FRANK, IS THAT REQUIRED TO GET THE DESIGNATION, TO HAVE ONE
PLANNING COMMISSIONER? >> NO, THIS WAS AN IDEA OF
BETTER COMMUNICATING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION SOME OF THE
ISSUES THAT THE ARB IS DEALING WITH, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I
THINK, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT TIMES GETS FRUSTRATED THAT
THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE REASONING BEHIND A DECISION,
AND IT TURNS TO STAFF OR TO THE APPLICANT TO TRY TO EXPLAIN IT
AND THE FEELING WAS IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD A
REPRESENTATIVE, YOU WOULD STRENGTHEN THAT CONNECTION AND
THERE WOULD BE IMPROVED UNDERSTANDING.
>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS IN WHICH
WE HAVE THAT KIND OF SET-UP, DO WE?
PLANNING COMMISSION IS A MEMBER? ARE THEY EX OFFICIO OR VOTING?
>> THEY ARE VOTING MEMBERS AND I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT THE DESIGN
REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS A VOTING MEMBER ON THE PUBLIC ARTS
COMMISSION. AND AS I INDICATED EARLIER, THE
IDEA BEHIND THIS IS TO GIVE THE ARB THAT DECISION-MAKING
AUTHORITY, AND GIVES THEM THE ABILITY TO TAKE ACTION WITHIN A
HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE ADVANTAGE TO THIS IS IT
SIMPLIFIES THE PROCESS AND REDUCES THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS
THAT AN APPLICANT FOR DEVELOPMENT IN A HISTORIC
DISTRICT HAS TO COME TO. YOU BEGIN BY SAYING THAT THIS
HAS BEEN REVIEWED ABOUT PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEY AGREE
WITH -- WITH PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEY AGREE WITH THIS IDEA
WHOLEHEARTEDLY. PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE
SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THEY LACK THE EXPERTISE TO
SECOND-GUESS THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE OR THE ARB, IF IT'S
CREATED, ON ISSUES OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
THEY PREFER TO GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
WHEN THE CITY MANAGER HAD CITY STAFF GOING OUT AND MEETING WITH
DEVELOPERS, SINGLE BIGGEST COMPLAINT WE HEARD OVER AND OVER
AGAIN WITH OUR CURRENT PROCESS RESULTS IN PEOPLE HAVING TO GO
TO DESIGN REVIEW AND PLANNING COMMISSION AND BACK TO DESIGN
REVIEW AND BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THEY GET
FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING INCONSISTENT DIRECTION
FROM DESIGN REVIEW AND PLANNING COMMISSION ALL THE TIME.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS ALL OF THESE STEPS INVOLVING THE
PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD BE ELIMINATED, AND SO SOMEONE WOULD
GO TO ARB, WHICH WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTINUE AN ITEM,
DENY IT OR APPROVE IT. IF IT WAS APPROVED OR DENIED,
THEY WOULD THEN -- IF IT'S APPROVED, IT'S OVER UNLESS
SOMEONE APPEALS IT. IF IT DENIED, YOU WOULD STILL
HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPEAL IT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL, THAT
MR. RIDDICK WAS ASKING ABOUT. ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WAS
DISCUSSED IN RELATION TO THIS WAS WHAT DO YOU DO WITH PROJECTS
THAT GO TO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW THAT ARE NOT
IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. HAPC SAID THEY WOULD YIELD ON
THIS ISSUE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAYS THEY WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO
HAVE A REVIEW PROCESS ON THOSE PROJECTS AND THESE WOULD BE THE
CITY PROJECTS OUTSIDE OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS OR PROJECTS
ON PROPERTY ACQUIRED FROM THE CITY THAT ARE NOT IN A HISTORIC
DISTRICT. PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE
TO REMAIN INVOLVED IN THOSE BECAUSE THEY FEEL THAT THERE IS
MORE LEEWAY THERE, IT IS NOT SIMPLY COMPLYING WITH THE DESIGN
GUIDELINES. THE OTHER CHANGES THAT WERE
RECOMMENDED BY HAPC AND CHAPTER 9, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE
IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, BUT YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE ARE ABOUT
FIVE MAJOR AREAS DEALING WITH LANDMARKS, NOTICE REQUIREMENT
MANY, STANDARDS FOR DEMOLITION, EXTENDING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR
DEMOLITION INTO OUR HISTORIC OVERLAY, AND EXTENDING THE RIGHT
OF APPEAL FOR THE GRANTING OF THE COA.
THE FIRST ONE OF THESE IS THE IDEA OF A HISTORIC LANDMARK.
WE HAVE ONE PROPERTY IN NORFOLK RIGHT NOW THAT IS DESIGNATED A
HISTORIC DISTRICT. A SINGLE PROPERTY WITH A SINGLE
STRUCTURE ON IT, AND IT ACTUALLY WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE AS A
HISTORIC LANDMARK, STILL HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF PROTECTION,
BUT IT IS JUST A MORE TYPICAL WAY OF DEALING WITH THIS KIND OF
PROPERTY, SO THE RESOLUTION IS TO CREATE A LANDMARK
DESIGNATION, WHICH WOULD ALLOW A SITE FOR SINGLE STRUCTURES TO BE
DESIGNATED AND THAT IS A SPECIFIC IMPLEMENTATION ACTION
THAT WAS IN PLANORFOLK2030 IS SO LOOK AT THE DEVELOPING PROGRAM
FOR DESIGNATION OF SINGLE PROPERTIES.
THE SECOND ISSUE I MENTIONED IS IMPROVING PUBLIC NOTICE AND THIS
IS AN ISSUE I THIFR RI MEMBER OF COUNCIL -- I THINK EVERY MEMBER
OF COUNCIL AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER TALKS TO ME ABOUT, HOW
CAN WE IMPROVE NOTICE OF ACTIVITY IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
ONE IS WE POST PROPERTY SEEKING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE POST PROPERTY RIGHT NOW THAT ARE
SEEKING A REZONING OR SPECIAL EXCEPTION, SO NEIGHBORS ARE
AWARE OF WHAT IS BEING DONE. THIS WOULD NOT IN ANY WAY IMPACT
WHAT WE CUSTOMER DO ONLINE, WHICH IS POSE ALL THE
APPLICATIONS -- POST ALL'S THE APPLICATIONS WITH THE COMPLETE
FILE, BUT IT WOULD LET ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND INTERESTED
PARTIES KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING TO LOOK FOR, SOMETHING IS
COMING. THE NEXT BIG ISSUE, AND THIS IS
ONE DONNA TOUCHED ON IN HER COMMENTS, IS THE IDEA OF
IMPROVING THE STANDARDS FOR DEMOLITION IN A COA, OR IN A
HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND THE REASON FOR THIS IS, AS
DONNA INDICATED, DEMOLITION IS IRREVOCABLE, SO THE STANDARDS
THAT HAPC HAS PROPOSED CREATING LOOK FIRST AT IS THIS A
DESIGNATED CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE DISTRICT OR IS
IT NONCONTRIBUTING. IF IT IS NONCONTRIBUTING, THE
QUESTION THEN BECOMES IS THE ARCHITECTURE UNIQUE, IS IT
UNUSUAL, WHAT'S THE TEXTURE, HOW DOES IT FIT IN TO THE OVERALL
AREA AROUND IT, AND ONCE YOU'VE LOOKED AT THOSE, THEN YOU BEGIN
LOOKING AT THE ISSUE OF THE VIABILITY OF RESTORING THE
PROPERTY OR PROTECTING IT. AND SO FOR DOING THAT, WHAT
YOU'D BE LOOKING IS FOR AN APPRAISAL OF THE PROPERTY,
LOOKING AT THE VALUE OF THE LAND VERSUS THE VALUE OF THE
STRUCTURE ON IT. GETTING SOME ESTIMATES OF THE
COST TO ACTUALLY PERFORM REHABILITATION OR RESTORATION OF
THE PROPERTY, IF IT'S REQUIRED, AND ALSO AS WELL AS LOOKING AT
THE STRUCTURAL CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY TO ENSURE THAT WHAT IS
BEING PROPOSED WILL ACTUALLY MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY AND ONLY
AFTER DOING THAT LEVEL OF ANALYSIS WOULD YOU THEN BE ABLE
TO PROCEED WITH THE COA OR DEMOLITION.
YOU DO NEED TO BEAR IN MIND THAT UNDER VIRGINIA LAW, IF A COA FOR
DEMOLITION IS DENIED, IT DOES NOT PREVENT DEMOLITION OF THE
PROPERTY. WHAT IT DOES IS IT DELAYS
DEMOLITION IN ORDER TO GIVE THE PUBLIC OR ADJACENT PROPERTY
OWNERS, OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES, AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY
TO ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY WITH THE LENGTH OF TIME DEMOLITION IS
DELAYED BASED ON THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, MOST TYPICALLY
ABOUT A YEAR. THAT WOULD BE THE --
>> FRANK, I SAW THE NUMBERS AND THE VALUES ASSIGNED.
ARE THOSE WHAT YOU WOULD MEAN? WHERE DO THOSE NUMBERS COME
FROM? IS THAT WHAT YOU CONSIDER BEST
PRACTICES OR IS THAT A TYPICAL --
>> THAT'S COMING FROM THE STATE. THIS IS -- MR. MOLINA DID
RESEARCH ON THIS AND THIS IS LISTED STRAIGHT OUT OF STATE
STATUTE, WHERE THE NUMBERS COME FROM.
AND THEN THE NEXT ITEM WAS AN ITEM, I'LL BE HONEST AND TELL
YOU I HAD A LOT OF RESERVATION ABOUT, BECAUSE THIS IS LOOKING
AT COA FOR DEMOLITION IN OUR HISTORIC OVERLAY.
RIGHT NOW WE REQUIRE COA FOR DEMOLITION IN DESIGNATED
HISTORIC DISTRICTS BUT NOT IN HISTORIC OVERLAW.
THE ONLY HISTORIC OVERLAY WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS DOWNTOWN AND
WHEN DONNA AND THE MEMBERS OF HAPC FIRST TALKED TO ME ABOUT
THIS, THEY SAID WE NEED A LOT MORE PUBLIC OUTREACH BEFORE WE
BRING THIS BEFORE AND I'M HAPPY TO SAY WORKING WITH HAPC,
WORKING WITH DNC, THE DOWNTOWN NORFOLK COUNCIL, WE HAVE LETTERS
OF SUPPORT FROM BOTH OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL AS FROM
THE OWNERS OF MOST OF THE HISTORIC PROPERTIES DOWNTOWN
SUPPORTING THE IDEA OF A COA FOR DEMOLITION, SO THE CONCERNS I
HAD ON BEHALF OF THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN
RESOLVED AT THIS POINT BASED ON THAT OUTREACH.
AND THEN THE LAST ISSUE THAT IS IN THE REPORT DEALS WITH THE
GENERAL RIGHT OF APPEAL. WHAT HAPPENS IF A COA IS DENIED
OR GRANTED? RIGHT NOW, THE ORDINANCE ONLY
ALLOWS AN APPLICANT TO APPEAL THE DENIAL OF --
>> WHEN YOU SAY APPEAL, WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
>> THE COA IS DENIED. >> TO THE CITY COUNCIL?
>> IT COULD BE APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL.
IF A COA IS APPROVED AND THE NEIGHBORS DON'T LIKE IT OR OTHER
INTERESTED PARTIES DISAGREE WITH IT, THERE IS NO APPEAL.
AND THIS WAS A CONCERN THAT WAS RAISED BY THE PUBLIC IN, I CAN'T
TELL YOU HOW MANY MEETINGS HAPC WEPT OUT AND HAD BECAUSE THEY
DID HAVE A NUMBER OF PUBLIC MEETINGS ON THIS ISSUE, AND
OVERWHELMINGLY, THE PUBLIC WAS ASKING FOR THIS.
I WILL ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE NEIGHBORSES AND THE
ORGANIZATIONS THAT -- NEIGHBORHOODS AND ORGANIZATIONS
THAT HAVE WEIGHED IN HAVE UNANIMOUSLY INDICATED THEIR
SUPPORT FOR AND THE REASON THEY GIVE IS THAT IT IS CONSISTENT
WITH WHAT MOST OF VIRGINIA HISTORIC LOCALITIES DO.
THEY HAVE A MUCH BROADER RIGHT OF APPEAL THAN WE HAVE.
AND SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO WRAP UP WITH GIVING YOU -- WE'VE
HAD LOTS OF DISCUSSION WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION ABOUT WHERE
WE THINK WE SHOULD BE GOING WITH THIS, AND THE ADMINISTRATION
DOES SUPPORT ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY HAPC
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF EXPANDING THE RIGHT OF APPEAL AND THE
REASON FOR THAT, WE BELIEVE THAT IT IS COUNTER TO WHAT WE ARE
TRYING TO DO WITH EXPEDITING PROCESSES, STREAMLINING WHAT WE
DO, SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND LEAVING THE RIGHT OF APPEAL
WHERE IT IS TODAY. AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO DONNA AND
HER COLLEAGUES ON HAPC TO SEE IF THEY CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS.
>> RIGHT OF APPEAL TO WHO, FRANK?
>> IT WOULD BE TO YOU. >> SO YOU WANT TO DO WHAT?
SAY THAT AGAIN? >> HAPC IS RECOMMENDING THAT
THAT RIGHT OF APPEAL BE EXPANDED SO THAT ANYONE WHO IS NOT
PLEASED WITH THE OUTCOME OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL.
THE ADMINISTRATION IS CONCERNED THAT THAT SEEMS TO GO AGAINST
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH STREAMLINING PROCESSES IN ORDER
TO DEAL WITH SMARTER PROCESS. >> FRANK, YOU SAY ANYBODY WHO
DOESN'T LIKE THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO TEAR A
BUILDING DOWN -- IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE CONNECTED OR --
>> THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE SOME INTEREST IN THE
ISSUE, BUT I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO MR. MOLINA AS FAR AS TO ALIGN
EXACTLY WHAT THAT INTEREST WOULD HAVE TO BE.
I'M NOT THE ATTORNEY, SO I CAN'T ANSWER.
>> BUT THEY WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCOUNT THE --
>> COULD THERE BE MULTIPLE APPEALS?
COULD THIS PERSON AND THAT PERSON -- I MEAN, YOU COULD --
>> AGAIN, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DEFER TO MR. MOLINA ON THIS ONE
BECAUSE YOU'RE VENTURING INTO THE RANGE OF LEGAL ACTION.
>> I AM RECOMMENDING -- >> HAPC IS RECOMMENDING THAT
THEY APPEAL THAT. >> AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH
THAT. >> WITH WHAT?
>> WITH ALLOW OTHERS TO APPEAL A DECISION.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S DONE THROUGHOUT VIRGINIA AND, YOU
KNOW, I TOTALLY AM IN FAVOR OF EXPEDITING AND SMART PROCESSING,
BUT THE REASON WE'RE SMART PROCESSING IS FOR OUR CITIZENS,
AND OUR CITIZENS IN THESE COMMUNITIES SUPPORT THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THIS -- I MEAN, I THINK EVERY CITIZEN IN OUR
COMMUNITY DESERVES A RIGHT TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN
ON THIS AND I THINK YOU HAVE WAY OVERESTIMATED HOW OFTEN THIS
WOULD HAPPEN. I HAVE -- I UNDERSTAND NO REASON
WHY WE AS A CITY SHOULD DO THIS DIFFERENTLY THAN ALL THE OTHER
HISTORIC AREAS IN VIRGINIA. >> SO EVERYONE IS CLEAR, COURAGE
THE RIGHT OF APPEAL WOULD NOT ONLY BE -- COUNCIL, THE RIGHT OF
APPEAL WOULD NOT ONLY BE JUST TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
[ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ] ESPECIALLY WITH DR. WHIBLEY'S
CONCERN ABOUT HOW, HOW A COURT DETERMINES WHETHER OR NOT AN
APPELLANT IS AGGRIEVED OR HAS AN INTEREST IS, UNFORTUNATELY, A
DECISION THAT IS BASED ON THE FACTS AND THAT WOULD BE
DETERMINED AT TRIAL, SO THERE'S NO WAY TO CLOSE THE COURTHOUSE
DOORS TO A POSSIBLE CHALLENGE BASED ON JUST WHETHER OR NOT
THEY'RE AGGRIEVED UNTIL YOU'VE HAD A TRIAL, SO IT EFFECTIVELY
MEANS THAT ANYBODY HAS THE RIGHT OF APPEAL WHETHER THEY'RE
AGGRIEVED OR NOT. WHETHER THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL OR
NOT MAY DEPEND ON WHETHER THEY'RE AGGRIEVED, BUT IT DOES
NOT PREVENT ANYONE FROM BRINGING IT FOR REVIEW TO THE CIRCUIT
COURT OR -- >> WHAT WOULD BE THE TIMING OF
SOMEBODY SAYING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO APPEAL?
>> 14 DAYS APPEAL TO COUNCIL AND THEN BY STATUTE, I BELIEVE THEY
HAVE 30 DAYS TO APPEAL TO THE CIRCUIT COURT.
>> SO THEY GET TO DO THAT ANYWAY?
>> UNDER CURRENT PROCESS, ONLY THE APPLICANT CAN DO THAT.
>> SO IT COULD BE A NEIGHBOR THAT IS NOT HAPPY WITH THE COA.
>> RIGHT, BUT LET ME -- I LOOKED AT THE ORDINANCE FOR -- I MEAN
THE ONE YOU PROPOSED WHERE IT SAYS AGGRIEVED PERSON, AND THE
LAWYER IN ME WANTS TO DEFINE WHAT THAT MEANS, AGGRIEVED
PERSON. IS THAT A PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN
THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN IS IT SOMEBODY WHO LIVES WITHIN THE
HISTORIC DISTRICT? OR IS IT SOMEBODY IN KANSAS WHO,
YOU KNOW, IS A FAN OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND IS -- OR IS IT
JUST A LAWYER WHO LIVES IN VIRGINIA BEACH WHO'S MAD AT THE
PROPERTY OWNER AND WANTS TO TIE THE STUFF UP?
I MEAN, IS THERE A STANDING ISSUE ANYWHERE IN THIS?
>> IT IS EXACTLY THE ISSUE [ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ]
AND THE DEFINITION OF AGGRIEVED IS ANY PERSON WITH A PECUNIARY
INTEREST IN IT, SO IT MAY BE THE LANDLORD OF A PROPERTY SIX
STREETS OVER THAT WANTS -- (INAUDIBLE).
>> WELL, I GET THAT. I THINK THAT'S -- EVEN FOR ME,
THAT WOULD BE AN AGGRIEVED PERSON, BUT IF IT WAS SOMEBODY
WHO LIVED IN ANOTHER CITY, LET'S SAY WAS A FAN OF HISTORIC
PRESERVATION AND DIDN'T LIKE THE WAY WE WERE DOING THINGS Z THAT
FIT THE DEFINITION OF AGGRIEVED? IT.
>> PROBABLY WOULD NOT. THE COURT WOULD DECIDE --
>> SHOULD WE TAKE A SHOT AT DEFINING WHO AGGRIEVED PERSON
IS? >> LET'S TIGHTEN IT UP A LITTLE
BIT. >> WHETHER IT'S SOMEBODY WHO
LIVES WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
>> WHY ARE WE HAVING MORE TROUBLE THAN ALEXANDRIA DOES?
>> THEY HAVE EXACTLY THAT. THEY HAVE A PETITION PROCESS AND
UNLESS THERE ARE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PETITIONERS AND
CROSSES THE THRESHOLD OF BEING A CONCERN TO A LOCALITY, I THINK
THEIR STANDARD IS (INAUDIBLE). THEY HAVE A THRESHOLD WHERE THEY
MEASURE THE AMOUNT OF NEIGHBORHOOD INTEREST THERE IS
IN CHALLENGING. >> DOES THAT STILL GO TO THE
COURTS IN ALEXANDRIA? YOU HAVE TO HAVE 25 PEOPLE COME
IN AND SAY -- >> CORRECT.
THAT WOULD HAVE A THRESHOLD OF APPEALING.
VIRGINIA ALLOWS LOCALITIES TO HAVE THE APPEAL STANDARDS THEY
WANT, PROVIDED THE PROPERTY -- >> SEEMS TO ME THEY SHOULD HAVE
SOME STANDARD HERE BESIDE JUST A, QUOTE, AGGRIEVED PERSON.
RATHER THAN ARGUE THE THING RIGHT NOW, SHOULDN'T WE JUST LET
THE PROCESS GO DOWN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN LET
THEM COME THROUGH AND SEE WHAT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS SAY AND COME
BACK TO US? >> YEAH.
>> LET ME JUST SAY I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THE CITY COUNCIL GIVING
UP ITS ABILITY FOR THE APPEAL TO COME TO US.
SO -- >> I AGREE WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE -- >> I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE
ADMINISTRATION COMES IN, BUT I JUST WANT TO STATE MY POSITION
THAT I WANT TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO HANDLE AN APPEAL IF A CITIZEN
WANTS TO APPEAL OR PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO APPEAL.
>> THAT IS THE WAY IT IS STRUCTURED AND MR. MOLINA HAS
INDICATED SOMEONE WHO IS UNHAPPY WITH THE COUNCIL DECISION ON
APPEAL WOULD THEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE THAT APPEAL --
TAKE AN APPEAL INTO COURT. >> THE PURPOSE OF THE DESIGN
REVIEW BOARD WAS DOWNPLAYED WHEN THIS PRESENTATION STARTED.
CAN YOU GO BACK THROUGH AND EXPLAIN TO ME AGAIN THE PURPOSE
OF THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD? BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING
THEY HAVE OTHER AUTHORITY SUCH AS IN EAST BEACH WITH -- THEY'RE
LISTED IN THAT DOCUMENT WE CREATED OVER IN THE NEW -- SOME
OF THAT GOES TO DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, SO IT'S NOT JUST PUBLIC
PROPERTY. >> THE TWO BIGGEST AREAS WHERE
THEY COME INTO PLAY ARE IN PUBLIC PROPERTY OTHER THAN IN
HISTORIC DISTRICTS. I WOULD SAY THE VAST MAJORITY OF
WHAT DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE DEALS WITH ARE IN HISTORIC
DISTRICTS AND THEN THE OTHER AREAS ARE PUBLIC PROPERTY,
PROPERTY ACQUIRED FROM THE CITY, NRHA PROPERTY, PUBLIC SCHOOLS
PROPERTY, AND THEN THERE'S SOME OTHER AREAS WHERE BY ORDINANCE,
IT WOULD GO TO THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AND IN ADDITION, THE
PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO REFER ANY PROJECT
TO THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE JUST AS CITY COUNCIL CAN REFER A
PROJECT TO THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE.
>> I'VE ALREADY EXPRESSED MY CONCERNS TO SOME HAPC MEMBERS.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE CREATION OF AN ARB.
MY ISSUE IS WITH THE DIVERSITY OF THE GROUP, AND WHEN I LOOK AT
THE HISTORICAL HAPC -- >> THE WAY THEY HAVE --
>> NO, WHERE THEY COME FROM IN THE CITY, AND WHEN I LOOK AT
HAPC NOW, THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS COME FROM YOUR WARD.
HISTORIC WARDS, AND SO MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT THIS -- IF
WE MERGE THESE TOGETHER, THAT WE LOSE THE DIVERSITIES OUR --
>> WOULD MAKE A POINT TO GET WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET.
>> RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO WHEN THEY STARTED THAT
PRESENTATION, IT SAID SIX PROFESSIONALS, TWO HISTORICAL
AND ONE PLANNING COMMISSIONER AND SINCE THEY'RE GOING TO BE
TAKING OVER THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE DESIGN REVIEW, BECAUSE
THAT'S GOING AWAY WITH THIS, RIGHT?
I'M ASSUMING DESIGN REVIEW -- >> IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
>> YOU COULD STILL CONTINUE TO HAVE A SEPARATE DESIGN REVIEW
COMMITTEE FOR PROJECTS OUTSIDE OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS IFS THAT
WOULD BE ANOTHER OPTION. >> RIGHT.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO KEEP THE DESIGN
REVIEW. WHAT MY CONCERN IS, IS MAKING
SURE THAT WE GET REPRESENTATION FROM ALL OVER THE CITY NOW, THAT
THEY'RE GOING TO BE MAKING -- I DON'T WANT IT TO BE THE ARB OF
DOWNTOWN NORFOLK MAKING DECISIONS ON PUBLIC PROPERTY
DOWN IN OCEAN VIEW. I RESPECT THEIR PROFESSIONALISM
AND WHERE THEY COME FROM, BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENT WAY OF
DOING BUSINESS SOMETIMES WITH DOWNTOWN AND PROJECTS ELSEWHERE
AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC PROPERTY FOR SALE IN OCEAN VIEW,
THE THINGS THAT COME UP, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
HAVE -- JUST LIKE OUR PLANNING COMMISSION, WE TRY TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE HAVE A DIVERSE REPRESENTATION FROM ACROSS THE
CITY, JUST AS MUCH AS ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY, SO MY CONCERN
WOULD BE WHEN WE MAKE THIS TRANSITION, THAT WE HAVE SOME
KIND OF LANGUAGE IN THERE OR -- I DON'T WANT TO JUST SAY SIX
PROFESSIONALS. I KNOW IT'S UP TO THIS COUNCIL
TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE SIX PROFESSIONALS ARE DIVERSE, BUT I
NEED SOME KIND OF INDICATION THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN, THAT
THERE WILL BE REPRESENTATIVES FROM ALL OVER, WHICH RIGHT NOW
THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD DOES HAVE.
IT HAS SOME DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE.
>> AND YOU ALSO HAD ASKED IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS TO OTHER
APPOINTMENTS TO HAPC BECAUSE THEY WERE VACANCY AND THAT WAS
AT THAT POINT BROUGHT UP, BECAUSE WE WERE ASKING FOR THE
BOARD TO DO THAT. >> WELL, WE HAVE --
>> I'M JUST SAYING AT NO POINT IN HAPC DID WE SAY -- I ASKED
CITY COUNCIL TO COME UP WITH OTHER APPOINTMENTS AND THOSE
WEREN'T FORTH COMING, SO I DON'T THINK WE EVER MADE ANY ATTEMPT
TO RESTRICT THAT. >> SURE.
>> AND I'M SAYING THE SAME THING, IF WE REPLACE DESIGN AND
REVIEW, WE SHOULD REAPPOINT THE NEW GROUP TO ENSURE DIVERSITY
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SAY -- YOU COULD END UP WITH WHAT'S
CALLED A FRIENDSHIP TEAM AND THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T WANT AN ENTIRE GROUP WHO BELIEVE THAT
THEY KNOW ALL ABOUT PRESERVATION, YOU KNOW.
I'M LOOKING FOR DIVERSITY. >> WHEN YOU SAID WE, YOU MEANT
THE COUNCIL, RIGHT? >> YEAH, WE AS A COUNCIL ASKED
FOR FOUR YEARS FOR APPOINTMENT MANY AND I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED
THAT WE DIDN'T GET MORE. I REALLY THINK WE MADE EVERY
EFFORT TO MAKE THIS A DIVERSE IN BOTH ETHNICALLY AND --
>> THE LAST TIME WE DID WAS WHEN I FIRST GOT ON COUNCIL.
>> SYMPTOM MI -- TOMMY, EVERY TIME WE BROUGHT IT UP --
[ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ] >> BUT THAT'S NOT A FULL BOARD.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL VACANCIES. WE BRING IT UP EVERY TIME.
RIGHT, BRECK? [ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ]
YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT WE NEED THAT, BUT I WOULD HOPE IN THE
FUTURE, YOU WOULD BRING FORWARD PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY
-- >> WELL, I'M LEARNING PEOPLE IN
MY COMMUNITY THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SERVING ON HAPC.
I FIND THEM EVERY DAY. I'M MAKING A LIST FOR YOU,
TERRI. >> ALL RIGHT, NEXT.
>> WHAT'S NEXT? >> FIRST, DONNA, THANK YOU
FOR -- >> YES.
>> -- MAKING THE INTRODUCTION AND THANKS FOR THE GOOD WORK.
I NEVER KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING CALLED A CERTIFIED LOCAL
GOVERNMENT PLACE WE COULD GO GET MONEY, SO THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
>> AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT DESIGNATION BECAUSE
THAT WOULD BE HUGE FOR US. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.
JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS FOR THE NEXT THING.
WE WERE PLANNING ON HAVING OUR, YOU KNOW, LEGISLATIVE DINNER ON
THE NIGHT OF THE 29th. TURNS OUT THAT'S THE SAME NIGHT
THAT THE ACCESS COLLEGE FOUNDATION IS HAVING ITS 25th
ANNIVERSARY DINNER AND I THINK WE'RE ALL INVITED TO THAT.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG EVENT OVER AT THE MARRIOTT AND THAT'S
REALLY WORTH SUPPORTING. THEY HAVE BEEN IN OUR SCHOOLS
FOR 25 YEARS NOW, AND SO WE'RE WORKING ON A COUPLE OF OTHER
DATES FOR THAT DINNER AND I THINK THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY FOLKS
PROBABLY WOULD OPT TO BE AT THE ACCESS DINNER RATHER THAN BE
WITH US, QUITE HONESTLY, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT --
>> THE FEELING IS MUTUAL. >> SO WE'RE LOOKING AT
NOVEMBER -- BRIAN, NOVEMBER 19th, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF
DATES WHICH WE'LL WORK WITH YOU THERE, SO YOU CAN TAKE -- YOU
CAN MAKE PLANS IF YOU WANT TO BE AT THE ACCESS COLLEGE FOUNDATION
DINNER. [ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ]
>> Reporter: WE -- >> ARE WE GOING TO GET A TABLE
THERE? I REGRETTED IT BASED ON THE FACT
THAT WE HAD THAT DINNER. NOVEMBER 19th?
>> YEAH, BRIAN, WHAT DID -- [ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ]
>> MOST OPTIMAL DATE WOULD BE TUESDAY THE 19th OR THE 20th.
THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT THE SCHEDULE ON TUESDAY NIGHT, BUT I
HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO CONFIRM. >> YOU'RE GOING TO LET US KNOW.
>> RIGHT. >> THEN SCRATCH THE OTHER ONE
OFF. >> THE 19th WAS ORIGINALLY A
NIGHT MEETING? >> WE'RE MOVING TO TWO VOTING
MEETINGS A MONTH AND THE 19th WOULD BE ONE.
THAT'S THE RUB RIGHT NOW. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT ON
THAT. [ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ]
>> IT WAS A VOTING NIGHT BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE TWO A MONTH.
>> WE ARE -- HAVE MET MORE TIMES THAN WE NEED TO, ACTUALLY,
RIGHT? WE WOULD -- THE NOMINATION
DEADLINE FOR THE BOARD MEMBERSHIP IS -- IS NEXT WEEK,
RIGHT? THE 15th, AND SO DON WILLIAMS
HAS AGREED TO BE RECOMMENDED. HE USED TO BE ON THE SPSA BOARD
AND WE NEED A COUPLE MORE NAMES JUST TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE GOVERNOR CAN DECIDE, I THINK, WHOEVER HE WANTS TO SERVE
ON THE BOARD, BUT -- [ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ]
>> FOUR YEARS. YOU KNOW, JOE HAS DECIDED HE
DIDN'T WANT TO BE REAPPOINTED, BUT I MEAN, IF THEY WOULD
APPOINT DON, DON IS A GREAT REPRESENTATIVE.
HE KNOWS SOME OF THE PROBLEMS, HE USED TO CHAIR THE BOARD, BUT
IF ANYBODY HAS OTHER IDEAS ABOUT PEOPLE, SOMEBODY WITH AN
ENGINEERING BACKGROUND MIGHT BE GOOD, IF YOU KNOW ANYBODY.
>> IF DON WANTS THAT PUNISHMENT, HE DESERVES IT.
>> DIDN'T YOU USED TO SERVE ON THE SPSA BOARD?
>> I DID. >> I THINK WE OUGHT TO --
>> I THINK YOU TRIED TO GET OFF OF IT.
>> -- NOT MICKEY MOUSE AND DO SOMETHING --
>> WHAT'S THE TIME COMMITMENT ON THAT?
JUST SO IF I TALK TO ANYBODY ABOUT IT.
>> I'LL FIND THAT OUT FOR YOU. [ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ]
>> BUT IT'S A BIG DEAL. >> THEY MEET ONCE A MONTH AND
USUALLY THE MEETINGS ARE ABOUT TWO HOURS, AND THERE IS ONLY ONE
COMMITTEE, THAT'S THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE WITH THE LEADERSHIP,
AND THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL MEETING.
FOR THE MOST PART, THE WORK THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT CAN BE
DONE IN THOSE MEETINGS. >> AND WHAT IS THIS -- DO WE
NEED TO ACT ON A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION
APPOINTMENT? >> YES.
THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHERE SHE LIVES, IF SHE LIVES IN
NORFOLK, SO NEXT WEEK. >> ANNA SMITH LIVES IN NORFOLK
AND THAT'S BEEN -- >> WE HAD CIRCULATED A
RESOLUTION. >> OKAY.
I GUESS THAT'S -- ALL RIGHT, MR. MANAGER, THE HRSD.
>> YES. YOU MAY RECALL KRISTEN GAVE YOU
AN OVERVIEW OF THE HRSD, THE HAMPTON ROADS SANITATION
DISTRICT CONSOLIDATION STUDY SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, AND WHAT
SHE'S HERE TO DO TODAY IS TO GIVE YOU THE CONCLUSIONS OF THE
STUDY, THE ADMINISTRATION'S RECOMMENDATIONS WITH REGARD TO
THE STUDY. THERE WAS ALSO COMMUNICATION
FROM LORI LAST WEEK THAT SHE MAY NOT BE, BUT SHE'S HERE TODAY TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> THIS PRESENTATION IS INTENDED
TO UPDATE YOU ON THE REGIONAL WASTEWATER SYSTEM CONSOLIDATION
STUDY THAT WAS MANAGED BY HAMPTON ROADS PLANNING DISTRICT
COMMISSION, AS WELL AS TELL YOU ABOUT A NEW IDEA FOR A HYBRID
SYSTEM THAT'S A PARTIAL WASTEWATER SYSTEM
REGIONALIZATION AND WE'RE NOT REQUESTING ANY COUNCIL ACTION AT
THIS TIME. WHEN THE WASTEWATER -- THE
REGIONAL WASTEWATER SYSTEM REGIONALIZATION STUDY WAS BEGUN,
THERE WERE THREE IMPORTANT ASSUMPTIONS, AND ONE WAS THAT
ALL THE LOCALITIES WOULD TURN OVER THEIR WASTEWATER SYSTEM
ASSETS TO HRSD AT NO COST. ANOTHER WAS THAT HRSD WOULD
ASSUME THE DEBT OF THE -- THE WASTEWATER DEBT OF ALL THE
LOCALITIES, AND THE FINAL ONE WAS THAT HRSD WOULD DEVELOP ONE
REGIONAL RATE THAT WOULD BE CHARGED TO ALL THE LOCALITIES.
AS THE STUDY WAS COMPLETED LAST MONTH, IT WAS CLEAR THAT IT
WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE
SYSTEM IF THEY WERE DONE AS A REGION RATHER THAN EACH ENTITY
MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR SYSTEM.
THE STUDY ALSO FOUND THAT THE EXISTING LEGAL AUTHORITY IS
ADEQUATE FOR REGIONALIZATION IF IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THAT'S
WHAT EVERYONE WANTED TO DO. IN QUANTIFYING THE SAVINGS FOR
THE ENTIRE REGION, WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE VICINITY OF A NET
PRESENT VALUE OVER 30 YEARS OF ABOUT $948 MILLION.
AND THAT VARIES AMONG LOCALITIES.
FOR NORFOLK, WE'RE LOOKING AT AROUND $200 MILLION, BUT THAT
DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR A NUMBER OF COSTS THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE,
INCLUDING THE GENERAL FUND IMPACT OF LOSS OF RETURN ON
INVESTMENTS AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE MORE IN A MINUTE.
AND IT SHOULD BE NOTED, TOO, THAT WHEN WE GIVE THESE NUMBERS,
LIKE 948 MILLION AND 201 MILLION, IT MAY GIVE YOU A
FALSE SENSE, SINCE THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT MARGIN OF ERROR IN
THESE NUMBERS. IT BECAME CLEAR WHEN THIS REPORT
WAS MOVING TO FINALIZATION THAT A NUMBER OF LOCALITIES, REALLY
ALL THE LOCALITIES WOULD HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS WITH
REGIONALIZATION, AND MOST OF THE MEMBER LOCALITIES DON'T SUPPORT
OUTRIGHT CONSOLIDATION OF THIS SYSTEM.
A BIG CONCERN IS THE LOSS OF RETURN ON INVESTMENT, PAYMENT IN
LIEU OF TAXES AND GENERAL ALLOCATION, AND FOR NORFOLK,
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ABOUT $3 MILLION A YEAR, SO THAT WOULD
MEAN THAT IF THE SYSTEM WERE REGIONALIZED AND THERE WERE ONE
RATE, NORFOLK WOULD HAVE TO PLACE A SURCHARGE ON THE
REGIONAL RATE IN ORDER TO RECOVER THOSE MONIES.
ALL THE LOCALITIES WOULD BE FACED WITH STRANDED ASSETS THAT
ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THOSE SAVINGS NUMBERS, FACILITIES AND
EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD NOT BE TURNED OVER TO HAMPTON ROADS
SANITATION DISTRICT. >> CAN I -- WHO IS THIS?
>> THE HRSD BOARD HAS ALWAYS BEEN SURETY OF A MYSTERY TO ME.
THE GOVERNOR APPOINTS THE BOARD, RIGHT?
>> YES. >> AT ONE POINT HE APPOINTED
RICH (INAUDIBLE) WHO -- THEY SET RATES AND DO ALL THAT STUFF AND
THEY REALLY HAVE VERY LITTLE RELATIONSHIP TO US.
I'VE NEVER MET THE DIRECTOR OF HRSD, I'VE NEVER -- I MEAN, THEY
DO THEIR OWN THING AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY -- WE CAN'T REPRESENT
OUR CITIZENS WITH THEM. I MEAN, IT'S -- THE BOARD, THEY
DON'T, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, THEY DON'T REALLY CARE WHAT WE
THINK. I MEAN, I --
>> THEY HAVE NEVER ASKED, HAVE THEY?
>> AND I WANT YOU TO GO THROUGH THIS, BUT I MEAN, SOMEBODY -- I
KNOW THAT YOU THOUGHT THIS WASN'T A GOOD IDEA FINANCIALLY,
BUT FROM JUST A GOVERNANCE STANDPOINT, I MEAN TO PUT THAT
SORT OF AUTHORITY IN THEIR HANDS WITH NO RELATIONSHIP WITH US
IS -- I WOULDN'T GO ALONG WITH THAT EVEN IF THE NUMBERS HELPED
US UNLESS WE HAD A DIFFERENT FEELING ABOUT IT.
>> LET ME ASK ONE QUESTION. I KNOW YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO
ANSWER THIS QUESTION IN A MINUTE, BUT YOU MENTIONED IF WE
WENT WITH THEM, WE'D HAVE TO PUT A SURCHARGE.
WOULD THAT SURCHARGE HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF INCREASING OVER A
PERIOD OF TIME OF THE CONTRACT? OR WE COULD SAY IF WE DID A, YOU
KNOW, IT WOULD REMAIN CONSTANT FOR 30 YEARS OR WOULD WE HAVE TO
INCREASE IT? >> IT WOULD BE TOTALLY UP TO
CITY COUNCIL. HRSD WOULD IMPOSE A REGIONAL
RATE AND IF WE WANTED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF RETURN, RECOVERY OF
RETURN ON INVESTMENT, PAYMENT IN LOUVRE TAXES, THAT WOULD BE --
PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAXES, THAT WOULD BE UP TO YOU.
YOU COULD SET THE AMOUNT AND TAKE IT AWAY ANY TIME YOU WANT.
>> WOULD THAT BE ANOTHER LINE ON ON YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE BILL THAT
WE ALREADY GETTING COMPLAINTS ABOUT?
>> YES. >> I THINK WE JUST LOST THEM
ALL. >> LOST THE (INAUDIBLE).
>> AND FOR THE HRSD BOARD, OUR REPRESENTATIVE IS MICHAEL GLENN,
AND HE AND I TALKED -- >> MICHAEL WHO?
>> MIKE GLENN OF LUNAR DEVELOPMENT.
>> IS HE HERE? >> NO, HE'S A DEVELOPER.
>> HE'S A HAPC. >> IS HE?
>> MM-HMM. >> AND WE DO TALK ON SOME
REGULAR BASIS. >> WELL, I REMEMBER -- THIS IS
BESIDE THE POINT, JUST A STORY. WE WERE TRYING TO BUILD POWHATAN
FIELDS AND WE ONLY WENT WITHIN A COUPLE FEET OF THEIR PROPERTY TO
PUT A FENCE ON AND AFTER MONTHS AND MONTHS OF NEGOTIATION, AS I
RECALL, THEY SAID NO. I MEAN, WE JUST -- EVEN WHEN WE
WERE BUILDING THE PARK, THEY WERE NOT -- THEY HAD A WHOLE
FIELD OUT THERE AND THE WHOLE IDEA IS MAYBE SOME SOMEDAY WE'RE
GOING TO HAVE TO -- SOME DAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PARK CARS
THERE AND WE HAD TO TIGHTEN THE FIELD, PUT THE -- THESE GUYS
DON'T CARE ABOUT US AND THERE'S NO INDICATION THAT THEY CARE
ABOUT THE SYSTEM AT ALL. YOU REMEMBER THAT, PAUL?
>> I DO. >> JOHN, YOU REMEMBER THAT,
RIGHT? TRYING TO GET THEM TO HELP US,
WE JUST WANTED A FEW FEET, YOU KNOW.
>> SOME OF THE OTHER CONCERNS OF THE LOCALITIES ARE THAT LACK OF
FLEXIBILITY REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, CONCERNS THAT A
REGIONAL ENTITY MIGHT NOT PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF CUSTOMER
SERVICE THAT OUR RESIDENTS HAVE BECOME ACCUSTOMED TO.
WE BABY THEM. AND WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT
UNEVEN DISTRIBUTION OF PROJECTED SAVINGS AND MARGIN OF ERROR, AND
ALSO THE PROPOSED GOVERNANCE OF THIS FULLY REGIONALIZED
WASTEWATER SYSTEM WAS ONE REPRESENTATIVE PER LOCALITY AND
SURELY THAT FAVORS SMALL LOCALITIES.
IN THE DISCUSSIONS OF THESE CONCERNS THAT THE LOCALITIES
WOULD SURELY HAVE, ANOTHER IDEA CAME FORWARD THAT WE THINK HAS
SOME MERIT, AND IT'S FOR WHAT WE'RE CALLING A HYBRID
ALTERNATIVE, WHICH WE WOULD CAPTURE THE CAPITAL COST SAVINGS
FOR THE REGION, WHICH ARE IMPORTANT, WITHOUT MANY OF THE
ISSUES THAT WOULD BE OF CONCERN TO THE LOCALITIES.
AND HOW IT WOULD WORK IS HAMPTON ROADS SANITATION DISTRICT WOULD
BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CAPACITY OF THE SYSTEM, THE ENTIRE
SYSTEM, TO HANDLE WET WEATHER EVENTS.
BUT THE LOCALITIES WOULD RETAIN OWNERSHIP, OPERATION AND
MAINTENANCE OF THEIR COLLECTION SYSTEMS.
AND HAMPTON ROADS SANITATION DISTRICT WOULD MAKE WHATEVER
IMPRORMENTS WERE NEEDED -- IMPROVEMENTS WERE NEEDED TO THE
SYSTEM, WHETHER NERP IN THE LOCALITIES -- THEY WERE IN THE
LOCALITIES OR HRSD'S FACILITIES AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE AND IF
THOSE FACILITIES WERE IN THE LOCALITIES, THEY WOULD GIVE
THOSE TO THE LOCALITIES AT NO COST TO THE LOCALITY AND THE
GOVERNANCE OF HRSD WOULD NOT CHANGE.
HAMPTON ROADS SANITATION DISTRICT COMMISSION HAS GIVEN
ITS GENERAL MANAGER THE APPROVAL TO DISCUSS THIS PARTIAL
REGIONALIZATION OR HYBRID MODEL WITH THE REGULATORS, AND IF THE
REGULATORS ARE AMENABLE TO THE CONCEPT, IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT
THEY WILL REQUEST LETTERS OF INTENT FROM THE LOCALITIES THAT
ARE INVOLVED AND HRSD SO THAT WE COULD WORK OUT THE DETAILS
BEFORE -- AND THE REGULATORS WOULD GIVE US SOME EXTRA TIME
FOR THAT. AND, OF COURSE, WE WOULD UPDATE
CITY COUNCIL ON THE DISCUSSIONS AS THEY MOVE FORWARD.
I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
>> IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD VOTE ON AS TO WHETHER WE
WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN EITHER ONE OF THEM?
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> WOULD THE -- WOULD A
CONSORTIUM POTENTIALLY MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT ONE OR TWO OF
THE MUNICIPALITIES? >> WE CAN VOTE IF WE WANT TO.
WE DON'T HAVE TO. >> WE DON'T HAVE TO GO IN, BUT
WHAT I'M SAYING IS COULD FOUR OR FIVE OF THEM GO AND ONE OR TWO
NOT? >> YES AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING
THERE MAY BE ONE OR TWO LOCALITIES THAT ARE INTERESTED.
>> THE FULL CONSOLIDATION, ALMOST ALL THE MEMBER LOCALITIES
HAVE WRITTEN TO HRSD IN OPPOSITION SINCE THE FINAL
STATEMENT OR THE FINAL (INAUDIBLE).
>> BY THE WAY, WE WANTED TO DRIVE SOME BUSES TO -- REMEMBER?
WE WANTED A DRIVEWAY BEHIND THE STANDS SO THE VISITS TEAMS COULD
DRIVE THEIR BUS DOWN TO THEIR LOCKER ROOM AND WE COULD SERVICE
THE FACILITIES FROM THE BACK AND THEY WOULDN'T AGREE TO THAT.
JUST LET US BUILD A DRIVEWAY, YOU CAN OWN THE PROPERTY, AND
THEY WOULDN'T EVEN AGREE TO THAT.
SO THERE, I GOT A GRUDGE NOW. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >> THAT'S IT?
>> YOU WANT TO DO COUNCIL INTERESTS BEFORE YOU LEAVE?
YOU GOT ANYTHING, MR. RIDDICK. >> YES, ONE THING I HAVE, OVER
IN BERKLEY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE A VERY GOOD
JOB OF TRYING TO HANDLE WALKER AVENUE, BUT OVER IN IF THE 1000
BLOCK OF GRAYSON STREET, I GOT A CALL FROM TED LEWIS AND THEY
JUST NEED TO SEE VISIBILITY OVER THERE.
AND I HAVE THIS TO PASS TO YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
>> CAN I ANSWER THAT, MR. RIDDICK?
>> YES, SIR. >> DON'T ANYBODY LEAVE BECAUSE
WE HAVE TO VOTE ON A CLOSED MEETING WE DIDN'T VOTE ON LAST
WEEK. >> I JUST HAVE ONE THING.
>> OVER IN BERKLEY, OFF LIBERTY STREET, MEN KIND OF LOITER RIGHT
THERE, WE CALL IT THE SPOTLIGHT, BUT LIBERTY STREET WHERE SOME OF
THE TOURISTS IS AND THAT AREA WHERE THE PARK IS, AND -- IT WAS
ABOUT -- >> RIGHT UP THE STREET.
THEY REALLY NEED TO GET RIGHT OUT THERE IN THE MORNING AND
FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING OUT THERE.
>> WE HAD ABOUT NINE OFFICERS AT THE TASK FORCE THIS MONTH AND
THE POLICE CHIEF CAME LAST MONTH AND THEY'RE ON TOP OF THAT.
>> OKAY. >> THE ONLY THING I HAVE, I KNOW
WE ALL GOT THIS -- I GUESS A RECAP FROM HAMPTON ROADS
PARTNERSHIP ON THE SHARED SERVICES PROJECT, AND NOW THAT
THERE IS NO MORE SUCH GROUP, MARCUS, ARE WE GOING TO STILL
CONTINUE TO MOVE -- HOW ARE WE GOING TO GO ON THE SHARED
SERVICE? WE MADE GREAT PROGRESS IN THE
FIRST ROUND, SAVED A LOT OF MONEY, AND WHAT'S NEXT?
>> SURE. THE CITY MANAGER OF CHESAPEAKE
AND VIRGINIA BEACH AND I HAVE SAT DOWN AND TALKED.
WE TALKED AS RECENTLY AS WEEK BEFORE LAST TO GO WITH PHASE
TWO, AND PHASE TWO WOULD NOT BE NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING AT THE
REMAINING ITEMS ON THE LIST, BUT OPEN IT UP ONCE AGAIN TO SEE
EVERY POSSIBILITY. >> WHAT WOULD BE THE KIND OF --
>> WE WANT TO -- >> WE DO IT OURSELVES?
>> NO, THE SAME PROCESS. WE BRING IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
>> I UNDERSTAND, BUT THERE'S NO MORE DATA FROM THAT GROUP.
THAT'S GONE. >> WE'RE GOING TO SEEK FINANCIAL
SUPPORT OUTSIDE OF THE LOCAL -- >> ALL RIGHT.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO LET IT -- WE DID A LOT OF GOOD THINGS AND
HAD A LOT OF MEETINGS AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO LET IT GO.
>> WE WON'T LET IT GO. >> JUST REALLY QUICKLY, YOU
KNOW, AS I BROUGHT UP AT THE RETREAT FOR OUR LEGISLATIVE
AGENDA, I WOULD REALLY LIKE THIS COMMUNITY TO CONSIDER CHANGE OUR
SCHOOL BOARD FOR FOUR YEARS. I DID SOME MORE RESEARCH.
YOU HAD ASKED, THE ONLY OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE A TWO-YEAR
BOARD TENURE IS FAIRFAX COUNTY. WE USED TO HAVE FOUR YEAR TENURE
AND WE CHANGED IT DURING INTEGRATION BECAUSE OF THAT, AND
I'D REALLY LIKE US ONCE AGAIN TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
SECONDLY -- >> IS THAT ON OUR LIST?
>> WE KIND OF JUST LEFT IT WHEN WE BROUGHT IT UP AT RETREAT.
>> WE SAID WE'D TALK ABOUT IT SOME MORE.
>> I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT -- >> ISN'T FAIRFAX MOVING TO AN
ELECTED SCHOOL BOARD? THERE ISN'T AN EFFORT THERE TO
GET AWAY ANYWAY? >> AND THEN --
>> I CAN ARGUE EITHER WAY, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
I'M NOT -- BUT GO AHEAD, TERRI. >> JUST VERY QUICKLY, YOU KNOW,
I HATE TO KEEP DRAGGING THIS -- AND TRULY, IF YOU GUYS JUST WANT
THIS TO DIE, LET US KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE JUST DRAGGING THIS
ALONG, THIS THING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR COMMITTEES
AND COMMISSIONS BECAUSE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT IT AT OUR
NEXT WORK SESSION AND THAT WOULD BE TODAY.
CAN WE DO IT OUR NEXT ONE? I MEAN, IF YOU -- SERIOUSLY, IF
YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO DO IT, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ENERGY, LET
US KNOW. LET US NOT KEEP DRAGGING THIS
OUT. >> OKAY, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW.
BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THERE ARE THREE ISSUES.
I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE OF THEM.
THERE'S THE MANAGERS -- [ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ]
>> THERE'S THE MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION, THERE'S THE
TERRI AND TOM RECOMMENDATION, TOMMY AND TERRI
RECOMMENDATION -- >> T AND T.
>> THE T AND T'S, AND THERE'S THE DO NOTHING RECOMMENDATION,
CAMP. >> I LIKE DO NOTHING.
>> WHICH IS WHERE MR. RIDDICK AND MAYBE SOME PEOPLE ARE, SO
WE'LL WORK IT OUT BY THE NEXT SESSION.
WE'LL HAVE A VOTE, OKAY? >> TO GET BACK TO (INAUDIBLE)
[ LAUGHTER ] >> THINK OF WATERBOARD TORTURE.
>> YOU HAVE A COUPLE THINGS? ONE, THE ADMINISTRATION IS REAL
GOOD, I GET A LOT OF CALLS OFTEN FROM SOCIAL WORKERS WITHIN THE
CITY, PERSONS THAT USED TO WORK WITH HUMAN SERVICES WHO WORK
WITH OTHER COMPANIES NOW THAT SERVICE CLIENTS IN OUR CITY, AND
JAMES WAS VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING ONE FAMILY.
WE HAD ONE FAMILY, GRANDMOTHER TAKING CARE OF SIX KIDS AND A
DAUGHTER -- HER GRANDKIDS, HER DAUGHTER DIED HAVING THE LAST
CHILD AND SHE'S RAISING SIX KIDS, THESE SLUM LORDS, ABSENTEE
LANDLORDS, WE GOT A LOT OF CITIZENS THAT ARE AT THE MERCY
OF THESE LANDLORDS. THEY DON'T HAVE A VOICE, THEY'RE
AFRAID TO VOICE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO GET PUT OUT OF
WHERE THEY ARE, THEY HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO.
JAMES WAS VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING THIS FAMILY NECESSARY
SERVICES, SHE WAS ONE DAY AWAY FROM HAVING SIX KIDS ON THE
STREET. WHEN I WAS OUT IN OCEAN VIEW THE
OTHER DAY, I NOTICED WE HAD A LOT OF FAMILIES OFF SOME OF
THOSE BACK STREETS IN THE SAME MODE, I KNOW WE CAN'T FIX
EVERYBODY'S PROBLEMS, BUT WITHIN OUR CITY, I DO THINK THAT WE
HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY, LANDLORD'S GOING TO OPERATE,
THAT WE HAVE SOMEBODY TO GO OUT AND CHECK THESE UNITS TO MAKE
SURE THAT THEY ARE HABITABLE FOR OUR CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO LIVE
IN OR RAISE FAMILIES. OFTENTIMES, THEY DON'T DO
NOTHING AND THAT'S TO THE DETRIMENT OF THIS COMMUNITY AS A
WHOLE, SO I HOPE WE CAN -- I DON'T KNOW IF THE CODE FOLKS
SHOULD BE CHECKING EVERYTHING. I KNOW THAT WE NORMALLY CHECK
WHEN WE GET A CALL, BUT IT JUST WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO GO
OUT AND JUST LOOK IN SOME OF THESE FRAGILE AREAS AND TAKE AN
INVENTORY AND BE ABLE TO BRING SOME OF THESE UNITS UP TO CODE.
>> YEAH, I JUST -- I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED IN THE MEETING
TODAY. I JUST -- WITH ALL THE PRESSING
ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY, WE COME DOWN HERE AND MEET FOR
AN HOUR AND I THINK THE TOPICS THAT WE DISCUSSED TODAY, THERE'S
SO MUCH MORE THAT WE COULD DISCUSS.
I DON'T KNOW WHO SET THE AGENDA FOR TODAY.
AND IT'S AN INCONVENIENCE TO THOSE OF US WHO HAVE JOBS.
I KNOW I RAN FOR OFFICE AND I WANTED TO DO THIS, BUT I SAID
THIS BEFORE, IF WE'RE GOING TO COME DOWN HERE, MAKE IT
MEANINGFUL AND MAKE IT PRODUCTIVE, BUT WE'RE GETTING
READY TO DISMISS AND I JUST FEEL LIKE WE -- I SET MY SCHEDULE
BASED OFF THE FACT THAT WE'D BE HERE FOR TWO OR THREE HOURS.
I HAVE OTHER MEETINGS DOWNTOWN, SO I'M GOING TO SIT HERE FOR TWO
MORE HOURS WAITING BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY
HOME, SO WE HAVE OTHER PRESENTATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN
CANCELLED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME BECAUSE WE WERE IN CLOSED
SESSION AND WE HAVE BROUGHT SOME OF THOSE PRESENTATIONS UP
INSTEAD OF JUST MEETING FOR AN HOUR.
JUST -- I MEAN, THEY WERE IMPORTANT PRESENTATIONS.
>> I THINK IT'S AN ANOMALY TODAY.
>> THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE GOT IN AN HOUR IN 15
YEARS. >> I JUST SAID THEN WHY DID WE
MEET? [ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ]
>> I KNOW, THAT'S MY CONCERN TOO IS THAT MAYBE THEY LOOKED AT THE
AGENDA AND SAW THAT THERE WAS NOTHING REALLY GOING ON.
>> WE'RE TYPICALLY HERE UNTIL AT LEAST 5:00.
>> I KNOW. >> AND IT'S -- YOU KNOW, WE JUST
CAME OUT OF A CITY COUNCIL RETREAT AND --
>> SO WHY DID WE MEET? WE HAVE PEOPLE ON HAPC AND CITY
BOARDS. >> DR. WHIBLEY WANTED US TO
MEET. >> WE COULD HAVE DONE THAT NEXT
MEETING. I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S OTHER
THINGS WE COULD HAVE DISCUSSED. I'M NOT TRYING TO WHINE, I'M
JUST SAYING MAKE THIS TIME, IF WE'RE GOING TO COME DOWN HERE,
NOT ALL OF US LIVE DOWNTOWN AND COMMUTE DOWNTOWN.
MAKE IT MEANINGFUL AND WORK THE TIME THAT WE COME DOWN HERE.
JUST OUT OF RESPECT TO OUR SCHEDULES, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT
HAVE FULL-TIME JOBS AND ARE WORKING.
WE DON'T HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO JUST GIVE UP AN HOUR TO COME
DOWN FOR A MEETING AND THEN GO BACK TO WORK.
>> OKAY. WELL, WE'LL -- OKAY.
I HEAR YOU. I SAID IT'S THE FIRST TIME IN 14
YEARS WE HAD AN HOUR MEETING. A COUPLE OF THINGS.
THURSDAY NIGHT, IF YOU WANT TO COME, THE COMMITTEE ON POVERTY
REDUCTION IS HOLDING A TOWN HALL MEETING IN HUNTERSVILLE.
I THINK IT STARTS AT 6:00, DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL BE
THERE, BUT THERE ARE THREE TOWN HALL MEETINGS.
>> WHAT ARE THEY COMING TO SPEAK ABOUT?
JUST IN GENERAL, COME UP AND TALK ABOUT POVERTY?
>> IF THEY HAVE THOUGHTS ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE INFLUENCING
THEIR ABILITY TO GET OUT OF POVERTY.
AND THE MEETING LASTS FOR TWO AND A HALF HOURS, THE ONES
THEY'RE HAVING. THEY START AT 5:30 AND GO TO
8:00. THERE'S PRESENTATIONS FROM THE
MEMBERS, SO IT'S A COMMITTEE THAT'S FUNCTIONING AND PEOPLE
LIKE SUZANNE PURRYER. >> WHERE IS THE MEETING?
>> IN THE MULTIPURPOSE CENTER. >> ONE SAYS PRETLOW LIBRARY.
>> AND DO WE WEAR OUR BATHING SUITS TO THE AQUATIC CENTER ON
THE 17th? THAT WOULD SCARE THEM AWAY.
SPEAKING FOR MYSELF. >> GONE OTHER THING, I DON'T
KNOW IF THIS GOT ANYBODY'S ATTENTION, BUT THE AMBASSADOR
FROM AFGHANISTAN IS GOING TO BE SPEAKING AT THE WORLD AFFAIRS
COUNCIL EVENT AT THE McARTHUR MEMORIAL, THE NEW VISITORS
CENTER THERE, NEXT WEEK ON THE 10th.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE EVEN CARE ABOUT THAT, BUT I
THINK THAT'S AN INTERESTING -- THERE ARE A LOT OF INTERESTING
THINGS HAPPENING IN OUR CITY AND WE HAVE THE AMBASSADOR FROM
AFGHANISTAN TO THE UNITED STATES TO BE HERE, IT WILL BE
INTERESTING. ALSO, NEXT WEEK ON THE 8th,
TUESDAY NIGHT THE 8th, WE HAVE A COUNCIL SESSION AND -- BUT AT
THE SAME TIME, ONE OF THE PREMIERES OF THE MOVIE "CAPTAIN
PHILIPS" WHICH IS APPARENTLY GETTING GREAT REVIEWS, MIGHT GET
SOME AWARDS, IS GOING TO BE HERE AND I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO
BE HERE THAT NIGHT BUT -- >> CAPTAIN PHILLIPS.
>> BUT IF YOU REMEMBER, WE DID A BIG EVENT FOR HIM RIGHT AFTER
THE PIRACY AND SO PROBABLY -- >> I THINK IT STARTS AT 7:00 OR
SOMETHING. >> YEAH, IT DOES START AT 7:00.
AND -- BUT I'M TOLD BY WYNTER THERE'S SOME THINGS WE HAVE TO
DO THAT EVENING. IT MIGHT BE AN HOUR MEETING.
MIGHT JUST LAST FOR AN HOUR, BUT IN ANY EVENT, MR. BURFOOT MAY
HAVE TO CHAIR THAT MEETING. [ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ]
>> AND, LOOK, I WAS -- I WAS AT THE MIDDLETOWN ARCH AS A NICE
COMMUNITY EVENT SATURDAY AND SOME OF YOUR POLICE OFFICERS
WERE THERE SITTING BEHIND A TABLE ID'ING PEOPLE AND NERP IN
JEANS AND SWEAT -- AND THEY WERE IN JEANS AND SWEATSHIRTS AND I
WENT UP AND SPOKE TO THEM, AND THEY SAID THAT'S WHAT THE YOUNG
PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ASKED THEM TO DELAWARE AT THE -- TO
WEAR AT THE EVENT. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD MOVE,
THEY WERE TRYING TO CREATE A RELATIONSHIP WITH SOME OF THE
KIDS THERE IN MIDDLETOWN ARCH AND YOUR GUYS STEPPED DOWN AND
THEY TOOK IT UPON THEMSELVES TO DO THAT AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A
GOOD MOVE. SO ONE OF YOUR -- ONE OF THE
LADIES, ONE OF THE OFFICERS EXPLAINED IT AND I THOUGHT THAT
WAS REALLY, YOU KNOW -- I THOUGHT THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT
YOU WANT OUT OF THEM ANYWAY. SO BRECK, WE'RE GOING TO DO
THE -- >> A RESOLUTION CERTIFYING A
CLOSED MEETING OF THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF NORFOLK HELD IN
ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF
INFORMATION ACT. ADOPT THE RESOLUTION,
MR. BURFOOT. >> AYE.
>> MR. RIDDICK. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
>> OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO STAND ADJOURNED.
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