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joining us today is that something kim from rethink reviews values and review
freakonomics for us today
and as always afterwards fascinate facts
just as much of a grocery stores are going to museums maybe more
planes your academic life
has been devoted to figure out tricky ways digitech ourselves because of the
world doesn't resolve the oil cartel here what you see in the world is a
correlation with the world gives you is things are moving together abuse fellini
died down and be on the strip away what's causing what what's not cochran
data we've looked at suggests that the retired actually have a drone most of
the choices you make filemaker definitely you've already made so if you
go to the store and buy ten parenting books
seven hundred really health begins that much but the fact that you are the kind
of person who has apparently cares enough to go by ten handguns immediately
means you're pretty good parent it just don't think that the books urbana
have imagined
released in two thousand five the book freakonomics aerobic honest explores the
hidden side of everything
became a new york times bestseller and sold over four million copies worldwide
written by a columnist steven levitt in new york times journalist stephen
governor i mean premise of freakonomics is that economics is at its root the
city of incentives and practically everything has to do with incentives
economic theory can be applied to practically any subject you have data
for from parenting to crime to race
now there's a documentary or freakonomics which takes a novel
approach of illustrating some of the books chapters by allowing some of
america's best documentarian stake a crack at them and their own unique
styles
in the parenting section the main question is what effect parents
decisions really have on kids
morgan spurlock director and star of the oscar-nominated doc supersize me
addresses this in horsham under by any other name
where he uses fast piecing in his trademark humor to look at baby names
the questionable importance and with early with upper down to the names we've
been given
the main focus is on the differences between what we consider black names and
white ones where studies have shown that a person with a wider sounding name like
trevor will get hired faster than some with a stereotypically black sounding
name like cairo narda shotgun even if they have identical resumes it turns out
there competing incentives that work pending that expresses quattro identity
or less distinct when that might help job prospects the animated it's not
always a wonderful life is directed by eugene gia wreckage who directed the
award-winning doc white we fight
this piece looks at cause-and-effect and more accurately the correlation is
different from causation
tricky explores the drop in the crime rate that happen in the nineteen
nineties which most attributed to improve law enforcement strategies
harsher sentencing in fewer guns on the street but when levitt examine the data
he found something more interesting in a lot more controversial but there was a
strong link between the sharp drop in crime rates across the nation and the
legalization of abortion twenty years prior
ritual gradient heidi ewing co-directors of jesus camp
bring to bear to style too
tonight greater be bribes to succeed the only story that is in from the book
in experiment funded by the university of chicago high school students were
getting fifty dollars for every grade they got above a c as well as a ride in
the tricked out hummer limo and the chance to win a raffle for five hundred
dollars with an incentive like that along with a dismal prospects
high-school dropouts face improving grades would seem natural but as the
film follows two under cheating boys over the course of the school year we
see that strong incentives aren't always enough to dislodge bad habits
even though before me docs have widely varying styles in subjects with
intermediary segments directed by taking upon director supporting
it's hard not to compare them to pick a favorite and for me the best piece by a
mile was out steve knees pure corruption fillmore ask investigation into cheating
and corruption in the world of sumo wrestling
give me who won an oscar for his doctor accede to the dark side and lived in
japan for several years seems to be operating on a totally different level
than his fellow documentarian his as a story that starts with statistical proof
that sumo wrestlers are fixing matches spiral outward intrude mark passion to
involve *** an indictment of the japanese police force parallels with the
recent economic crash and finally an examination of japan's ancient value
system
in the ends the experiment of using multiple directors turns out to be
freakonomics biggest problem
wiles captivated by pure corruption and an eighth grader be proud to succeed i
was like crazy that the other two pieces
which felt more like essays where i was told information instead of stories
where i discovered
and a problem with freakonomics is that if you aren't being one of the segments
you're stuck with it for the next twenty minutes meeting for an uneven in
sometimes frustrating viewing experience still one for denounces goody it's very
good and the concept at its base incentives matter and conventional
wisdom is often wrong is a powerful one that might help us figure out why the
world is actually the way it is
i'm jonathan can and this is everything for me
john they took a real
re-used there the directors to doing the movie depicted
the same movie although not together obviously
because he can't help but compat right
yeah i think so and that was exactly right
right and so
alice kidney comes out on top of that i thought so i think uh... kristi said i
read her view of it and she didn't like that story's much but i mean like
the morgan spurlock wonders like a lot of graphics israel kind of job he in
stuff like that now so i can start really quite for me and then the
one barricaded white we fight him
his one is like all animated yahoo ginger tea yet
so it's interesting susan interesting concept it abut i kinda like the idea of
having it be bite sized right suburbs
documentaries that lasts newman and a half the move is something wrong
sometimes
you know dragon y_-twelve this book really lends itself to that with such
distinct
sections that are separate
yediyat categorically congreso are so dissimilar from each other that that
would
handle different styles you've had a little bit then there is there an
overriding theme
equates that connects all of them will be got he directed vickykong silky
he directed these though like things are going between the net have a very
similar style of them and those are all viewer that you guys here
so i'm
so that kind of ties them together but like i said if you
in this that certainly is worse like these are watching you know this is my
type of movie you wouldn't watch that movie where's this one
there's a part of it that might not be caretaker movie you know it's a big
chunk of it in
the next on my feet of types of
photos saurabh for part you liked that yes i got that because first of all
but one thing dishes in the book the sumo wrestlers have read the whole book
by that
the one thing about the book you can pick it up
read parts of the book
and i know this part of the book and it's
it's obvious and it's like you don't need
i don't know it's like it it's fasten personal just tell us about it's
fascinating and it seems copies to me we have to
look at the statistics to know about this but what you know the status it is
obvious read to their these tournaments that happen a few times of the here
where there are fifty word houston or if they're has fifteen matches
and if you have the for above then you move up the half a ranking when that
happens you get more money and you go towards others over the next for
medically sets
and so what they found was that if there was ever match where someone was
one if there was beaten sixteen young was seven seven
the seven seven one ki one seventy five percent of the time
but then if those two wrestlers fought again
the one who is eighty-six would win almost all the time
and so by looking at those states that so it would must be some cheating here
in the ideas that
the seven seven guy has a lot more to lose if he loses that next matching his
and disseminate and he could start dropping down the ladder where the guys
even six he can go eighty-seven israel still move up
it's a little like
resting your starters and the sixteen th game and sees
you've already qualified for the playoffs so there's this the some of
that to but then there's this you know but then the other parks that art
sort of theoretical is the idea that it's sort of this close-knit
community where they're like
respecting each other
yet okay but well how does that really primer
what have we have what happens is their these two guys who sort of like grandes
soon sumo schools are kinda like stables
and they became whistleblowers and they started writing the they start reading
these articles saying
their there are the this match fixing is happening and they were about to give a
a press conference
and two weeks before that they were both they both died on the same day in the
same hospital of the same mysterious respiratory ailments
and this is sounds like a lot of course here yeah and i'm sure that
just like that
right in the the police didn't investigate in amino acid how this the
sumo story how it gets bigger and bigger and bigger because it becomes at this
thing about how
the police they have like a ninety six percent success rate in terms of like
convicting crimes the dead but
this one cop quit the force he said the thing is they're not investigating all
the crimes they only do the ones that they can be canceled
and so they're just not going to investigate certain ones and
also like put like policemen are judged by how many by their success rate not
how it so it's like if they organic case that they can solve it looks bad for
them so they just won't open the case
that the two overriding things i get from it instead
its annual loaded to live and your reviewers
things are not as they seem writer and and and be really careful with what
incentives you give people
ready cuz they will twist things to too
matching just those incentives so use that as the japanese cops hand what you
have a high closure rate you've got i think or they're not going to take the
case exact right and
any that i think of that
what really people would call unintended consequence
but it sucked at this point should be obvious but it's true here to right
agreed to an enormous extent and we saw it
on the wire we know it all i absolutely don't do anything but you move
you know you viewed coupon murders off on
nobody wants thirteen unsolved murders
at their in their precinct nobody wants that on their books 'cause it matters
that's how you know there's money involved in that theirs
staff his crap for those who keeping your job and they're sand there's a
whole bunch of or ration of crap that comes down
uh... from city hall from the commissioner's office and out here to
moving stuff into the cold case unit to keep it off the books of your precinct a
landing assistance
and looks back you'd also like with schools the idea of light
kind of forcing out which even kids like getting them to drop out of school has a
right way your scores go up in your school united we stand america that
they're concerned about the scores are not the dropout rate back so if i was in
charge of the cops in the schools in those cases i throw that stuff up in
encino here's what
we're going to do now right and then but i would think okay well i had to set up
a new set of structure that's going to schools that are bright he got a very
well and that
so we're gonna come back in
eighteen months now we'll see what new
monstrous problem i've created by doing right now the reason that people like me
don't run those schools who moved from those district is because earlier muscle
well that's what i thought that it has a huge parkside but the other part of if
it is that
it if you stick your neck out like that
your soul much more likely to be fired
health-care fund fired but they obviously almost everybody else does
their plight
so that's the issue as though issue you know in and documentary waiting for
superman davis
google guggenheim documentary
you see what happened in washington d_c_ out all the details i know that michelle
rhee in washington d_c_ was who was per trade very favorably than the
superintendent of the d_c_ schools and she was there
very much stuck our neck out
came in totally new way of thinking never been a super data before
and took all the teachers union and was sort of rash and brash across the board
and irritated everyone and stuck her neck out
protector current
mayor adrian fenty just lost the primary democratic primary that's essentially
the election in d_c_
and this you know without
and yesterday in a lot of them every one of the whole other story ok now but it
we have limited time and i really want to mention some other things here first
of abortion one
on the cause an effect of the crimes pledge that our writes a basically like
around the nineteen nineties the crime rate starts plummeting
and people try to figure out why this happened is that you know new law
enforcement strategies putting more people in jails of the pragmatist
changing
and when by the time to look at all the stated he thought that those reasons
only account for about fifty percent of the crime rate drop but then he looked
back he said
roe versus wade is passed in nineteen seventy three
and gently that prime sort of crime years for young people are you know like
seventeen to twenty two
and so it coincided right with that when those kids would be in effect crime is
they just weren't there
usually people were getting abortions are to be people who are
single parents
maybe not that much money
and those are
big indicators of whether you become a criminal or not if your reasoning if
you're a student with a single parent where you don't have a lot of money you
don't have a lot of education
that's really interesting i don't know if i blew it if i buy it
when he actually you buy that i read that part
and then something came up and i had to go
for so if i didn't finish it but because it was brought to my attention as
something fast name because when i was a journalism school
at columbia
sof a
out but wasn't this cold we at you know that
the f_b_i_'s that's when they were is that i was in there that early nineties
and
that we talked about those those crime stats and the f_b_i_ and people you know
applauding the reduction in crime in its journey at one president or one
policy
and the f_b_i_'s like now it's just eight
it's that number literally the number of people between
fifteen and twenty two
that's it their fewer of them crime goes down right more from crime goes up and
this is part of that is that the weather was essentially saying and here's why
they're fewer of the f_b_i_ was arguing that it it always goes like this
in a sense he's got an answer for that idon't know because it also that the
second in two years is that um... before roe versus wade was meant was happens
there were three states that already had abortion was legal already
and those states the crime rate they do it it was legal three years before roe
versus wade was passed and their crime rate went down three years earlier than
those of the software circuit
i really was not convinced partly because i know for example new york o
the crime rate dropped more suited related other places so
obviously there's a difference between localities and it's not just explained
by nationwide abortion status
on the other hand those three states outlet that that's a enough policy role
in fact maybe
maybe not
i have a rabbit in finished reading it
but ido from
understanding
baseball's stats and
saber metrics as limited as that makes me an expert here
there's no way there are two billion other factors and maybe that is but
decide okay i owe you know i don't know we all agree with no no but i mean
a billion other factors that might be the primary causing just because i don't
know what they looked at and it's fascinating and a friend of mine is
relative swears by that
i don't know that the three other states that this they've decided to look like
three years earlier that by itself
milk for them and it's as if you didn't hear my job
did you i didn't know you got a they have provided a under the weight of the
other side of the fear peter outside we'll let you go went up another part of
that is that when rovers we was passed there were states where abortion was
you was legal but it wasn't usually available but there was something for
the meeting were usually available in the easy usually available states
the crime rate dropped thirty percent more
there are all other things that are yeah yeah yeah yeah there in those states at
that time yes
now that once again
yeah yet
and then finally at the at the names of course are success thinks these two
different things one is
the expectations that come along with names and another's black and white
names for the rest of the elementary one example that's given is this woman and
uh... at the woman had a baby and she loves tempers bledsoe from the cosby
show
so she wants a neighbor that but she didn't know how was spelled position in
the contentious
and tell us a bit of just ended up getting a lot of trouble on being very
commit promiscuous and the question was wishing living up to her name
or was it something else but
if you look at it occasions even indicate enters not know what that
word means
was then that that the woman was a single mother was in a poor neighborhood
that that's a bigger indicator
obviously but but at the bet the same time
they're they're study was done that said
identical resumes and when the person was named tyrone and the other person
was named grade
against the person who was named greg
would've gotten they got thirty three percent more interviews
and spit they would've been able to find a job five weeks earlier than tyrone
despite having identity resumes we're higher carol
right
it but luckily this study was done in nineteen sixty five
i know it was pretty recently did not know how we're going to this reaction
five years ago i guess it's a incredibly compelling and it was more of the
started cellular red eyes so maybe it's the same study
it was more than greg and tyrone it with women it was susan
milic we ship and our resumes were identical and frequently they
enhanced i believe the
traditionally black name resume made it even a little better and still
susan resume
got more responses more likely to get a call for likely to find the genesis
totally compelling and that's a limited
right now that's a that study was done by blue i guess benson around two
thousand five so
bike in there was just study at the other day about if you put it in the
debate ad or or princess
ape white hand holding a knife had or verse of black hand overheard
and and the ones that sold better weather was the white
underneath
and and ill and it was like eight all other factors involved
like they were less likely to trust that they would ship it
if it was a black handed setter
so the idea that all racism words absolute compiled by one of the blood
it's crazy thought district solely by the mic ball at the event that it would
look like a neighborhood to pick up that i thought what those i can be dangerous
and we're going to not do that
that that's all those things like a different factors cari different ways of
the show
uh... the discrimination and it's a fascinating and i and i'm sure those
people whom
made those decisions i will be themselves sister
and a new recognize again that's part of the problem
so book finally what's our conclusion on
meaning to my son previous izzy is a disaster is paid based on this movie or
is it will do what i think with the same made matters more like who the parents
are if the fact that you probably know who committees is right which divide be
educated to a certain degree and in the movie to talk about this guy contained
it recently named one winner and one loser
and and
or loser ended up being really successful he went to college and became
a and became like a detective in everything and when i ended up in jail
and the reason i don't believe that story
i don't believe one part of that story if if i don't believe
i don't believe the guided the skid weather and loser i don't believe
loser as a cop i don't believe what i went to jail believing that they needed
as lately
asap epithet but this crazy not to believe it is a very old maid adultery a
yes
but there are a few and by the way loser at a great career because he just
wouldn't be the case is
they made me more give friday saturday one cases solve it with a hundred
witnesses enough that is ingenious detective any good it what is that is
that problems are yet what who's the loser the leader had something to prove
susan work harder
some right by the way you i thought you didn't see the movie did you conduct
this as a whole sections on from me
six flat and ah... and what they have determines that there is a warning
hundred percent chance
that baby name probably feels will grow up to begin
herself dot that way i love this guy explicitly figure abuses i and i retake
agrees that that arvind oppose youtube ignore the stepped-up loser exists
event but they give is not no it