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>>THANKS FOR JOINING US ON TIME FOR HOPE AN INTERNATIONAL
FAITH-BASED MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM WITH HOST DR. FREDA
CREWS. AS YOUR HOST I AM BEING JOINED TODAY BY ONE OF THE
WORLD'S LEADING MESSIANIC JEWISH SCHOLARS DR. MICHAEL L. BROWN.
DR. BROWN IS THE FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF FIRE SCHOOL OF
MINISTRY, HOST OF THE NATIONALLY SYNDICATED DAILY TALK RADIO SHOW
THE LINE OF FIRE AND THE AUTHOR OF MORE THAN 20 BOOKS. TODAY DR.
BROWN HAS COME TO DISCUSS HIS BOOK TITLED THE REAL KOSHER
JESUS. THIS BOOK HAS BOTH CHALLENGED AND GIVEN ME NEW
INSIGHTS INTO WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A MESSIANIC JEW. ESPECIALLY
SINCE DR. BROWN COUNTS HIMSELF AMONG THEM. STAY WITH US AS THE
TWO OF US DELVE INTO THE MYSTERIES OF THE HIDDEN MESSIAH,
JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD.
>>AND MICHAEL IT'S REALLY A TREAT TO HAVE YOU ON TIME FOR
HOPE.
>>IT'S GREAT TO BE WITH YOU, THANK YOU.
>>ONE THING I KNOW FROM GOING THROUGH YOUR BOOK THAT YOU TAKE
WRITING VERY SERIOUSLY AND YOU DELVE INTO THE DEPTHS OF WHAT
YOU'RE WRITING ABOUT AND YOU'VE DONE THAT OF COURSE WITH THIS
BOOK. AND OF ALL SUBJECTS TO BE WRITING ON I THINK THOSE TALENTS
AND GIFTS AND YOUR PERSONALITY WOULD REALLY PROVE VALUABLE IN
WRITING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT.
>>THERE'S REALLY KIND OF A 40 YEAR INTRODUCTION IN MY LIFE TO
GET TO THAT BOOK. SAVED AS A JEWISH TEENAGER, I WAS RAISED IN
A JEWISH HOME, WE WEREN'T RELIGIOUS. I WAS STILL BAR
MITZVAHED AT THE AGE OF 13 BUT THE BIGGER THING HAPPENED WHEN I
WAS 13 WAS I WENT TO A JIMI HENDRIX CONCERT AND I WAS
PLAYING DRUMS AND I WANTED TO BE LIKE THE ROCK STARS. WHEN I WAS
14 I STARTED GETTING HIGH AND FOR TWO YEARS WAS A VERY HEAVY
DRUG USER. SHOOTING ***, LIVING A REAL DECADENT LIFE,
WICKED, EVEN STEALING MONEY FROM MY OWN FATHER. AND THEN GOD
INTERVENED IN MY LIFE, MY BEST FRIENDS GOT SAVED, CAME TO KNOW
JESUS. I WENT TO PULL THEM OUT OF A CHURCH, JESUS BECAME REAL
TO ME. SO NOW I HAD A CRISIS. I DON'T WANT TO STOP DOING DRUGS,
I DON'T WANT TO STOP LIVING THE WAY I'M LIVING, PLUS I'M JEWISH.
JEWS DON'T BELIEVE IN JESUS. BUT WHEN I GOT GLORIOUSLY,
WONDERFULLY BORN-AGAIN AT THE END OF 1971 MY DAD SAID THAT'S
GREAT, YOU'RE OFF DRUGS YOU NEED TO TALK TO THE RABBIS THOUGH
BECAUSE WE'RE JEWISH, WE DON'T BELIEVE IN JESUS. AND YOU HAVE
TO REALIZE IN JEWISH HOUSEHOLDS HISTORICALLY JESUS IS A BAD
WORD. JEWS THINK OF JESUS AND THEY ASSOCIATE HIM WITH THE
INQUISITION AND THE CRUSADES AND EVEN THE HOLOCAUST. SO MY LIFE
WAS TRANSFORMED, I STARTED TO TALK TO THE RABBIS. THE RABBIS
WERE VERY NICE AND SAID BUT YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HEBREW, HOW CAN
YOU TELL US WHAT TO BELIEVE? SO THAT LED ME INTO ALL OF MY
STUDIES OF HEBREW LANGUAGE AND THE BACKGROUND AND FOR 40 YEARS
NOW I'VE BEEN INTERACTING WITH RABBIS. I'VE BEEN INTERACTING
WITH THE JEWISH COMMUNITY AND I WANTED TO HAVE JUST ONE BOOK
THAT I COULD GIVE TO A JEWISH PERSON THAT WOULD OPEN THEIR
EYES AS TO WHO JESUS, YESHUA HIS ORIGINAL HEBREW NAME, WHO HE
REALLY IS, WHO HE REALLY WAS. AND ONE BOOK TO GIVE TO
CHRISTIANS THAT WOULD OPEN THEIR EYES AS TO WHO HE REALLY WAS AND
THAT'S THE BOOK THE REAL KOSHER JESUS.
>>AND I REALLY, YOU'VE DONE AN EXTRAORDINARY JOB IN DOING THAT.
ACTUALLY YOU REFER TO MANY JEWS RECLAIMING, IS THAT THE WORD,
THE RECLAMATION OF CHRIST AS THE MESSIAH.
>>IT'S VERY INTERESTING FOR THE LAST HUNDRED PLUS YEARS JEWISH
ACADEMICS, JEWISH SECULAR LEADERS, SOME LIKE AN ALBERT
EINSTEIN, JEWISH PROFESSORS AT HEBREW UNIVERSITY, OXFORD
UNIVERSITY, EVEN RABBIS THEY'VE BEEN SAYING YOU KNOW JESUS IS
REALLY WONDERFUL. WELL THE CHRISTIANS KIND OF HIJACKED HIM
AND THEY CHANGED WHO YOU REALLY IS BUT IF WE CAN RECOVER WHO HE
REALLY IS, HE'S ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT JEWS OF ALL TIME. SO
SOME HAVE IDENTIFIED HIM AS A GREAT RABBI AND TEACHER. SOME
HAVE IDENTIFIED HIM AS A CHARISMATIC HEALER. SOME HAVE
IDENTIFIED HIM AS AN INSPIRATIONAL LEADER. SOME HAVE
LOOKED AT HIM KIND OF LIKE A GURU OR RELIGIOUS TEACHER. SOME
HAVE LOOKED AT HIM AS A FREEDOM FIGHTER AGAINST ROME AND SOME OF
THE DESCRIPTIONS ARE WRONG BUT THEY'VE EACH GOT A LITTLE PIECE.
THE GOOD ONES THEY EACH HAVE A LITTLE PIECE OF INSIGHT BUT THEY
DON'T SEE THE WHOLE PICTURE BECAUSE THEY DENY THE MOST
FUNDAMENTAL THINGS AS TO WHO HE IS, BUT THEY'RE ON THE RIGHT
TRACK HEADING BACK. I WOULD MUCH RATHER THAT JEWISH SCHOLARS AND
PROFESSORS AND THE JEWISH COMMUNITY THAT THEY'RE ALL
TALKING ABOUT WHO IS THIS JESUS YESHUA THAN THAT THEY'RE CURSING
HIS NAME. AND THERE IS A RABBI DEBATED MANY TIMES, AN ORTHODOX
RABBI, VERY FAMOUS IN AMERICA, RABBI SHULI BATAOCK AND HE WROTE
A BOOK CALLED KOSHER JESUS. IT CAME OUT EARLY THIS YEAR AND IN
HIS BOOK HE SAID THE CHURCH IS MISREPRESENTED WHO JESUS REALLY
IS BUT HE WAS A GREAT JEW, HE WAS AN INSPIRATIONAL LEADER, HE
WAS A FREEDOM FIGHTER AGAINST ROME AND THE NEW TESTAMENT
PRESERVES SOME OF HIS TEACHING LIKE THE SERMON ON THE MOUNT. SO
WE NEED TO RECOVER THE REAL JESUS AND HE'S KOSHER AND REJECT
WHAT THE CHURCH SAYS ABOUT HIM. WELL THE BOOK CAME OUT,
FIRESTORM OF CONTROVERSY IN THE JEWISH COMMUNITY. EVEN RABBIS
SAYING BAN THE BOOK, NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO READ THIS BOOK
BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO GET JEWS INTERESTED IN JESUS. AND GOD
SPOKE TO ME, WRITE YOUR OWN BOOK, HE WROTE KOSHER JESUS,
WRITE THE REAL KOSHER JESUS AND IN THREE WEEKS TIME IN THE MIDST
OF AN INTENSE SCHEDULE I WAS ABLE TO WRITE THAT BOOK AND FROM
THE DAY I STARTED WRITING UNTIL THE DAY IT WAS PUBLISHED IT WAS
LESS THAN 2 1/2 MONTHS. I MEAN IT WAS JUST THE LORD.
>>WHY DON'T YOU, THEY'RE GOING TO BE MANY OF MY VIEWERS THAT
DON'T HAVE THE SLIGHTEST IDEA IN THE WORLD EVEN WHAT YOU MEAN BY
KOSHER.
>> AH
>>WHY DON'T YOU JUST REALLY TELL US ABOUT THAT?
>>SURE, THANK YOU. KOSHER IS THE JEWISH WAY OF REFERRING TO
SOMETHING THAT IS ACCEPTABLE, CLEAN AND PARTICULAR IT REFERS
TO FOOD. SO JEWS EAT KOSHER FOOD, RELIGIOUS JEWS. YOUR
AVERAGE AMERICAN JEW THEY DON'T REALLY CARE. BUT RELIGIOUS JEWS
THEY CAN ONLY EAT CERTAIN FOODS. FOR EXAMPLE IN LEVITICUS 11,
DEUTERONOMY 14 IT TELLS THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL YOU CAN'T EAT
CERTAIN THINGS LIKE SHELLFISH OR PORK OR THINGS LIKE THAT. A
RELIGIOUS JEW WILL NEVER TASTE THOSE ALL HIS LIFE. AND THEN IF
IT'S NOT SLAUGHTERED ACCORDING TO THE RITUAL PRESCRIPTIONS OF
THE RABBI, IT'S NOT KOSHER. SO IT'S A WHOLE LONG LIST. WELL
IT'S ALSO A COLLOQUIAL WORD TO MEAN IT'S OKAY, IT'S GOOD, IT'S
ACCEPTABLE. SO KOSHER JESUS IS A RABBI SAYING HEY WE'RE GOING TO
PRESENT JESUS IN A WAY THAT IS ACCEPTABLE AND CLEAN FOR THE
JEWISH PEOPLE WHICH OF COURSE IS A RADICAL CONCEPT AND THAT'S WHY
THE BOOK STIRRED UP SO MUCH CONTROVERSY.
>>I KNOW THE SUBTITLE IS REVEALING THE MYSTERIES OF THE
HIDDEN MESSIAH. YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY INTRIGUED ME AS I MADE MY
WAY THROUGH YOUR BOOK WAS THAT THE OLD TESTAMENT IN DESCRIBING
THE MESSIAH THAT WAS TO COME SO TO SPEAK AND HE IS MUCH HIDDEN
IN THE OLD TESTAMENT. IN FACT THERE IS A SAYING THAT I USE
THAT CAME TO ME DURING MY THEOLOGICAL TRAINING IS THAT THE
NEW TESTAMENT, THE OLD TESTAMENT IS THE NEW TESTAMENT CONCEALED.
THE NEW TESTAMENT IS THE OLD TESTAMENT REVEALED. SO THEY
PARTNER AND YOU PULL THEM TOGETHER YOU GET A COMPLETE
PICTURE AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT'S BEGINNING TO HAPPEN.
BECAUSE IT STOOD OUT TO ME THAT SO MUCH OF WHAT THEY EXPECTED
FROM THE MESSIAH, IT SAYS IT VERY CLEARLY AND PLAINLY IN THE
NEW TESTAMENT AS IT RECORDS HIS BIRTH, HIS LIFE, HIS SAYINGS AND
SO FORTH.
>>SEE WHAT'S SO FASCINATING IS CHRISTIANS LOOK AT THIS, THEY
LOOK AT THE OLD TESTAMENT AND THEY SAY LOOK ITS JESUS, HE'S
HERE, HE'S HERE, HE'S HERE, HE'S EVERYWHERE. A JEWISH PERSON,
ESPECIALLY A TRADITIONAL JEW THEY READ IT AND THEY SAY WHAT
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE MESSIAH HASN'T COME YET. THE
MESSIAH IS GOING TO ESTABLISH PEACE ON THE EARTH, HE'S GOING
TO DESTROY THE ENEMIES OF ISRAEL, HE'S GOING TO REBUILD
THE TEMPLE. JESUS DIDN'T DO THOSE THINGS. WE SAY BUT HE HAD
TO SUFFER AND DIE AND THEY'LL SAY WELL WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT
THE MESSIAH HAS TO SUFFER AND DIE? IN OTHER WORDS THEY READ
THE SAME TEXT AND THEY DON'T SEE IT. AND ONE OF THE GOALS IN MY
BOOK FROM THE VERY FIRST CHAPTER WHICH STARTS AT THE HOLOCAUST
ACTUALLY IS TO TAKE THE READER ON A JOURNEY, A JOURNEY OF
DISCOVERY, BOTH CHRISTIANS AND JEWS. AND LITTLE BY LITTLE TO
UNCOVER IN HISTORY HOW DID THE CHURCH OBSCURE THE IMAGE OF
JESUS FROM THE JEWISH PEOPLE? HOW DID THE JEWISH PEOPLE
THEMSELVES MISS THE IMAGE OF THE JESUS THE MESSIAH REALLY IS? AND
THEN FOR THEM TO SEE THAT HE'S BEEN HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT ALL
ALONG, THINK OF IT, GOD HIDES ALL THE TREASURES OF WISDOM AND
KNOWLEDGE IN A MAN HANGING ON A CROSS IN PUBLIC VIEW. WHO WOULD
EVER THINK OF FINDING IT THERE? BUT THAT'S THE WISDOM OF GOD AND
SO AFTER JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD LUKE 24 TELLS US HE SAT
WITH HIS DISCIPLES BECAUSE THEY STILL DIDN'T GET IT. THEY DIDN'T
UNDERSTAND THAT HE HAD TO DIE. PETER REBUKED HIM WHEN HE SAID
HE WAS GOING TO THE CROSS, WHEN HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO RISE
FROM THE DEAD. THEY COULDN'T FIGURE THAT OUT EITHER. THEN
WHEN HE ROSE HE OPENED THE SCRIPTURES AND SAID LOOK, THIS
IS WHAT'S WRITTEN OF ME, IT SAYS HE OPENED THEIR MINDS SO THAT
THEY COULD UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURES AND SUDDENLY THE
LIGHT WENT ON. NOW THEY SAW IT WAS ALL LAID OUT. WE'VE SEEN
THAT HAPPEN WITH SO MANY JEWISH PEOPLE THROUGH THE YEARS THAT
SUDDENLY THE LIGHT GOES ON AND THAT'S WHAT WE TRY TO DO IN THE
BOOK. SHOW A CHRISTIAN ASPECTS OF WHO JESUS REALLY IS THAT
THEY'VE MISSED, THAT THEY'VE MISUNDERSTOOD THAT HAVE SOMEHOW
HURT THEIR OVERALL UNDERSTANDING. AND THEN FOR THE
JEWISH COMMUNITY TO TAKE THEM ON A JOURNEY OF DISCOVERY. JESUS
SPOKE IN PARABLES AND HE SPOKE OF HIDDEN WISDOM. PAUL TALKED
ABOUT HIDDEN WISDOM. WE THINK OF THAT AS SOME ESOTERIC EASTERN
RELIGIOUS CONCEPT BUT NO, GOD DOESN'T JUST LAY EVERYTHING ON
THE TABLE. HE REVEALS THINGS TO THOSE WHO SEEK HIM AND IT'S LIKE
A JOURNEY, IT'S WITH EACH NEW THING THAT'S DISCOVERED. JESUS
SAID IT'S LIKE FINDING TREASURE THAT'S HIDDEN IN A FIELD. IT'S
SO VALUABLE YOU SELL EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO GET THAT FIELD.
>>YOU KNOW AND ISN'T IT INTERESTING THAT HIS 11
DISCIPLES AS YOU REFERRED TO, JUDAS I GUESS YOU DIDN'T COUNT
HIM, OF COURSE HE WASN'T A TRUE DISCIPLE, WERE JEWISH. THEY WERE
JEWS. HE COULD HAVE JUST AS EASILY CHOSEN SOME GENTILES
AMONG THEM. BUT HE STRICTLY STAYED NUMBER ONE IF HE WERE
ASKED ABOUT DIVORCE, IF HE WERE ASKED ABOUT THIS OR THAT HE
QUOTED FROM THE LAW, FROM THE JEWISH LAW. HE DIDN'T VARY, HE
DIDN'T GIVE YOU KNOW ON THOSE KINDS OF SUBJECTS WHEN THEY WERE
BROUGHT UP.
>>YES, IF WE THINK OF THINGS TODAY AND WE SAY THE GOSPEL IS
BEING PREACHED AROUND THE WORLD, THEN WHO'S PREACHING IT?
CHRISTIANS. MUSLIMS AREN'T PREACHING IT, BUDDHISTS AREN'T
PREACHING IT, HINDUS AREN'T PREACHING IT, CHRISTIANS ARE.
WELL THE JEWISH PEOPLE WERE THE ONES TRAINED BY GOD TO BE A
LIGHT TO THE WORLD. SO GOD ENTRUSTED TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE,
JESUS THE MESSIAH CAME TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE, GAVE THE MESSAGE
TO JEWS AND THEN JEWS HAD TO TAKE IT TO THE REST OF THE
WORLD. THE EARLY CHURCH THE QUESTION WAS NOT CAN YOU BE A
JEW AND FOLLOW JESUS THE QUESTION WAS CAN YOU BE A
GENTILE AND FOLLOW JESUS? THEY HAD A BIG MEETING IN ACTS 15 AND
SAID YES TO GENTILES TOO, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BECOME JEWS.
THAT'S THE AMAZING MESSAGE.
>>NOW OF COURSE WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT PAUL AND WHAT THEY THOUGHT
OF HIM BUT HE MADE IT CLEAR AND PLAIN THAT YOU DID NOT HAVE TO
BE A JEW. BUT IN A WAY AREN'T WE SPIRITUAL JEWS SINCE ISRAEL WAS
GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE AND NATION?
>>THIS IS A SPIRITUAL PARTAKING OF THE SAME TREASURES,
ABSOLUTELY FOR SURE.
>>WELL I THINK THEY'RE TELLING ME THAT IT'S TIME FOR A BREAK
AND WE'LL PICK RIGHT UP WHEN WE COME BACK AND WE WILL BE RIGHT
BACK.
>>THE DEBATE CONTINUES INTO THE 21ST CENTURY. WAS JESUS CHRIST
OR YESHUA FOR REAL OR WAS HE ONE OF THE GREATEST LIARS TO EVER
LIVE? AFTER ALL PERTINENT INFORMATION HAS BEEN RESEARCHED,
DEBATED AND WRITTEN, IT INEVITABLY COMES DOWN TO THE
QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE FOUND HIM TO BE THE REAL
JESUS. FOR THIS TO HAPPEN THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD MUST GIVE US
HEARTS TO PERCEIVE THE TRUTH OF HIS OWN WORDS FOUND IN THE HOLY
BIBLE REGARDING HIS IDENTITY AND PRE-ORDAINED DESTINY, AND EYES
TO SEE THE GLORY OF GOD IN THE FACE OF HIS SON (2 CORINTHIANS
4:6:HOLY BIBLE). WE FIND RECORDED REGARDING THE LIFE AND
MINISTRY OF THE JEWISH MESSIAH THE STORY OF A NON-JEWISH WOMAN
WHO EXPERIENCED FIRST HAND THE REDEMPTION FOUND IN THE REAL
KOSHER JESUS. SHE CAME ALONE TO THE WELL. THIS WAS PROBABLY BY
DESIGN SO THAT SHE WOULD NOT HAVE TO SUFFER THE AVOIDANCE BY
OTHER WOMEN AND THE SNICKERING MEN WHO KNEW SHE WAS AN
ADULTEROUS WOMAN. HER PITIFUL PLIGHT PROBABLY STARTED AFTER
SHE WAS PUT AWAY BY HER FIRST HUSBAND. IN THAT DAY, DIVORCED
WOMEN FREQUENTLY HAD TO HIT THE STREET AS PROSTITUTES TO MAKE A
LIVING AFTER BEING PUT AWAY BY THEIR HUSBANDS. IN HER SEARCH
FOR REAL LOVE SHE HAD GONE THROUGH FIVE HUSBANDS AND WAS
PRESENTLY LIVING WITH A MAN TO WHOM SHE WAS NOT MARRIED. THEN
SHE MET A STRANGER AT THE WELL. SHE WENT INTO SHOCK WHEN HE,
BEING A JEW, DID NOT QUICKLY LEAVE WHEN SHE APPROACHED WITH
HER WATER BUCKET. NO, THIS MAN WAS DIFFERENT. SHE COULDN'T
BELIEVE HE WAS TALKING WITH HER - IN FACT, ASKED HER TO GIVE HIM
A DRINK OF WATER. SHE KEPT HER DISTANCE AND REMINDED HIM THAT
SHE WAS A SAMARITAN AND JEWS AND SAMARITANS WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO
EVEN TALK TO EACH OTHER. BUT JESUS OR YESHUA WAS ON A
MISSION. THIS WOMAN NEEDED THE WATER OF ETERNAL LIFE AND HE WAS
THERE TO PROVIDE IT FOR HER (JOHN 4:-42: HOLY BIBLE). WHEN
THIS KIND AND COMPASSIONATE STRANGER SPOKE SHE SENSED HE WAS
DIFFERENT. HE TREATED HER WITH UTMOST RESPECT. SHE LISTENED,
HEARD AND FINALLY BELIEVED THAT HE SPOKE TRUTH. SHE WAS READY
FOR SOMEONE TO LOVE HER UNCONDITIONALLY. SHE WAS READY
FOR A LIFESTYLE CHANGE. HOPE SPRANG UP IN HER HEART BUT SHE
WANTED TO BE SURE. SHE CONTINUED TO ASK QUESTIONS UNTIL FINALLY
JESUS REVEALED HIMSELF TO HER AS THE CHRIST AND ASSERTED THAT IF
SHE DRANK OF HIM SHE WOULD NEVER THIRST AGAIN. BY FAITH SHE TOOK
THAT DRINK AND FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HER LIFE SHE EXPERIENCED
REAL LOVE. WHEN BY FAITH WE RECEIVE JESUS CHRIST AS OUR
PERSONAL REDEEMER WE KNOW THAT HE WAS AND IS THE REAL MESSIAH
FOR BOTH JEWS AND GENTILES.
>>WE APPRECIATE YOUR JOINING US ON TIME FOR HOPE. OUR GUEST FOR
TODAY IS DR. MICHAEL L. BROWN AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIS BOOK
THE REAL KOSHER JESUS. AND MICHAEL I THINK YOU DID AN
EXCELLENT JOB OF EXPLAINING KOSHER. I'VE EVEN WONDERED ABOUT
KOSHER FOODS AND KOSHER THIS AND I HAVE JEWISH FRIENDS. AND IN
FACT IN THE SMALL TOWN THAT I GREW UP IN THERE WAS ONE JEWISH
FAMILY AND SHE WAS A SCHOOLTEACHER, AND SHE WAS ONE
OF MY SCHOOLTEACHERS AND I THINK SHE'S STILL ALIVE. IF SHE IS
SHE'S VERY NEAR 100. BUT SHE WAS A FIREBALL, OH SHE WAS AN
EXCELLENT TEACHER AND THINGS THAT I LEARNED FROM HER I'M
STILL PUTTING TO USE TODAY. BUT THEY STOOD OUT, THEY WERE
JEWISH, THEY STOOD OUT AND HE HAD A STORE AND YOU COULD ALWAYS
DEPEND ON IF YOU COULDN'T FIND IT SOMEPLACE ELSE, YOU COULD GO
TO SAM ROSENBERG'S STORE AND HE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE IT. BUT WE
DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THIS JEWISH FAMILY IN OUR TOWN.
>>YES THE FACT IS MOST JEWS IN AMERICA ARE FAIRLY SECULAR,
THEY'RE NOT REALLY RELIGIOUS. BECAUSE IF THEY'RE REALLY
RELIGIOUS THEY'D HAVE TO LIVE IN THE SAME COMMUNITY SO THEY COULD
WALK TO SYNAGOGUE BECAUSE YOU DON'T DRIVE ON THE SABBATH.
THEY'D HAVE TO LIVE IN PROXIMITY TO RESTAURANTS THAT SERVE THE
FOODS THEY EAT AND STORES THAT SOLD THE FOODS THAT THEY WOULD
GET AND SCHOOLS THAT WOULD EDUCATE THEIR KIDS BUT MOST JEWS
ARE MORE SECULAR IN AMERICA AND YET THEY STILL THINK WELL JEWS
DON'T BELIEVE IN JESUS. IN OTHER WORDS THEY'RE JEWISH ENOUGH TO
SEPARATE THEMSELVES FROM THE GREATEST JEW WHO EVER LIVED.
THEY'RE JEWISH ENOUGH TO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THE GREATEST
RABBI OF ALL TIME WAS THIS ONE CALLED JESUS. THEY THINK OF
JESUS AS THE HEAD SAY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH OR THEY THINK OF
JESUS AS THE GOD OF THE GENTILES AND THE FACT IS THEY DON'T
RECOGNIZE HIS JEWISHNESS AND IF THEY RECOGNIZE HIS JEWISHNESS,
HERE'S WHAT SOME OF THEM SAY, JESUS WAS A GOOD JEW, HE WAS
FINE. BUT THEN PAUL CAME ALONG AND HE CHANGED EVERYTHING AND
PAUL'S THE ONE THAT FOUNDED CHRISTIANITY AND THEN HE IS THE
ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NEW TESTAMENT AND THAT CHANGES
EVERYTHING AND IT EXALTS JESUS INTO THE SON OF GOD AND THIS
WELL HE DIES FOR OUR SINS. BUT THE REAL JESUS WAS JUST A JEWISH
RABBI OR A JEWISH PATRIOT OR JUST SOME NICE JEWISH GUY THAT
HAD A FOLLOWING AND PAUL CAME ALONG AND CHANGED EVERYTHING. SO
THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASK IN THE REAL KOSHER JESUS
BOOK, DID PAUL ACTUALLY CHANGE EVERYTHING OR WAS PAUL ALSO A
FAITHFUL JEW AND WAS THE ISSUE FOR PAUL NOT CAN A JEW FOLLOW
THE JEWISH MESSIAH? SEE THAT'S BEEN THE QUESTION THROUGH THE
CENTURIES, CAN A JEW FOLLOW JESUS WITHOUT BECOMING GENTILE?
CAN HE STILL REMAIN A JEW? I TALK TO JEWISH PEOPLE ALL THE
TIME ABOUT MY FAITH AND I SAY I'M A JEWISH FOLLOWER OF JESUS
AND THEY SAY YOU WERE JEWISH. NO I SAY I AM JEWISH. THEY SAY NO
YOU WERE BECAUSE JEWS AND JESUS DON'T MIX. IN THE EARLY CHURCH
THE QUESTION WAS DO GENTILES AND JESUS MIX BECAUSE JESUS IS FOR
THE JEWS? HE'S THE JEWISH MESSIAH. SO PAUL CAME ALONG AND
SAID, YES JESUS IS FOR THE JEWS BUT HE'S FOR THE GENTILES ALSO.
AND A GENTILE DOESN'T HAVE TO BECOME A JEW TO FOLLOW JESUS. IT
SHOWS HOW DIFFERENT THINGS WERE, IN FACT IN THE EARLY CHURCH FOR
PROBABLY AT LEAST A DECADE AFTER JESUS DIED AND ROSE FROM THE
DEAD ALL THE FOLLOWERS WERE JEWS. WHEN PETER WAS TOLD TO GO
INTO THE HOUSE OF A GENTILE IN ACTS 10 AND TELL THEM ABOUT
JESUS HE SAID, I'VE NEVER BEEN IN THE HOUSE OF A GENTILE. THIS
IS YEARS AFTER MESSIAH DIED AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD. SO THINGS
HAVE BEEN SO HIJACKED, JESUS HAS BEEN SO SEPARATED FROM HIS ROOTS
AND HIS IDENTITY THAT JEWS DON'T RECOGNIZE THEM ANYMORE. WHEN WE
BEGIN TO SHOW WHO HE REALLY IS, NOT ONLY DOES THE LIGHT GO ON
FOR JEWS BUT CHRISTIANS NOW START TO SEE HIM IN A DIFFERENT
LIGHT. IN FACT JESUS AS A FIRST CENTURY JEWISH TEACHER, WHEN HE
SPOKE ABOUT THE KINGDOM OF GOD COMING, HE WAS NOT JUST SPEAKING
ABOUT SOME FUTURE THING THAT WOULD HAPPEN OR GOING TO HEAVEN
ONE DAY. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT GOD'S PRESENCE RULE AND REIGN
COMING IN THE HERE AND NOW. THAT'S WHY HE HEALED THE SICK
AND DROVE OUT DEMONS AND SET THE CAPTIVES FREE BECAUSE THE
KINGDOM OF GOD WAS ADVANCING GOD'S RULE AND REIGN. AND WHEN
THAT HAPPENS AS YOU KNOW PEOPLE BECOME WHOLE, PEOPLE ARE SET
FREE. SOMETIMES AS CHRISTIANS WE GET VERY ETHEREAL SPIRITUAL
GOING TO HEAVEN ONE DAY AND WE THINK THIS WORLD IS UNIMPORTANT.
JESUS AS A JEWISH TEACHER SAID YOU BETTER BELIEVE THIS WORLD IS
IMPORTANT. THIS IS WHERE YOU LIVE AND DIE AND THIS IS WHERE
HEALING AND TRANSFORMATION COMES AND THEN FOREVER WE REAP THE
BENEFITS OF THAT.
>>YOU KNOW WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE CHURCH HAS PLAYED A PART IN
THIS SEPARATION BETWEEN CHRISTIANS AND JEWS?
>>YES ABSOLUTELY. THERE HAVE BEEN MANY FINE CHRISTIANS WHO'VE
HAD A BLIND SPOT WHEN IT COMES TO ISRAEL AND THEN MANY OTHERS
WHO ARE NOT CHRISTIAN IN REALITY BUT ONLY IN NAME. YOUR AVERAGE
JEWISH PERSON DOESN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CHRISTIAN
AND NAME AND A CHRISTIAN AND REALITY. BY THE FOURTH CENTURY
THE CHURCH MADE DECREES THAT ANYONE WORSHIPING ON SATURDAY AS
THE SABBATH WOULD BE EXCOMMUNICATED. THAT WAS A HOLY
DAY FOR JESUS AND THE DISCIPLES. THEY WERE ALL JEWS. HE NEVER
SAID YOU CAN'T HAVE A SEVENTH DAY SABBATH. IN THE MIDDLE AGES
IF YOU WANTED TO BE BAPTIZED INTO SOME PARTS OF THE CHURCH
YOU HAD TO RENOUNCE EVERY CONNECTION TO ANYTHING JEWISH.
YOU HAD TO SAY I WON'T NAME MY KIDS WITH HEBREW NAMES. I WON'T
CELEBRATE THE PASSOVER. I WON'T CELEBRATE THE SABBATH. I'LL CUT
ALL TIES WITH THE JEWISH COMMUNITY IN ORDER TO BE
BAPTIZED. IF YOU WENT BACK TO THE FIRST CENTURY THAT WOULD'VE
MEANT THAT PAUL AND PETER AND JOHN AND JAMES AND THE REST OF
THEM, NONE OF THEM COULD HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED BECAUSE THAT'S HOW
THEY LIVED. SO IN MANY CASES THE CHURCH HAS OBSCURED THE IMAGE OF
WHO THIS JESUS YESHUA REALLY IS. AND WHEN WE CAN PRESENT THAT
AGAIN, WHEN THE CHURCH REDISCOVERS SOME OF ITS JEWISH
ROOTS WHERE IT COMES FROM AND THE JEWISH PEOPLE REDISCOVER WHO
JESUS IS, IT WILL BE A WONDERFUL REVELATION.
>>I THINK THAT WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM AS A CHURCH RECOGNIZING
THAT INDEED ISRAEL ARE GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE. YOU BROUGHT THAT
OUT IN YOUR BOOK. WHY, I DON'T KNOW, AND OF COURSE WE DON'T
HAVE TIME TO GET INTO THAT, BUT I AM WILLING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT
AND LOOK AT ISRAELITES, TRUE ISRAELITES AS GOD'S CHOSEN
PEOPLE. AND I EVEN LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT YOU SAY IS GOING ON AND
TAKING PLACE. I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT BUT I'M ALSO EXCITED ABOUT
THE TIME THAT THEY WILL LOOK UPON HIM WHOM THEY HAD PIERCED
AND MOURNED AND REALLY ACCEPT HIM AS THE HIDDEN MESSIAH.
>>IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND THAT'S WHY I WROTE THE BOOK TO
CONTRIBUTE TOWARD THAT DAY WHEN THE EYES OF JEWISH PEOPLE WILL
BE OPENED AND THEY'LL FULFILL THEIR DESTINY AND SALVATION AND
LIGHT WILL COME TO THE ENTIRE WORLD.
>>THANK YOU SO MUCH MICHAEL. YOU'VE JUST REALLY WHAT I CALL
TOUCHED THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG. WE HAVE BUT YOUR BOOK TELLS ALL
THE REST OF THE STORY, ALL THE RESEARCH YOU'VE DONE. A LOT MORE
THAN WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DISCUSS ON THIS SHOW. I APPRECIATE YOUR
COMING AND THE LORD BLESS YOU AND YOUR MINISTRY. AND OF COURSE
I ENCOURAGE MY VIEWERS TO GET A COPY OF YOUR BOOK AND DELVE IN
BECAUSE IT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE. AND THEN I HAVE SOMETHING
TO SHARE WITH YOU, A PRAYER REQUEST AS A MATTER OF FACT THAT
HAS COME IN. WE ASK ALL OF YOU TO SHARE YOUR PRAYER REQUESTS
WITH US. AND WE DO TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY AND WE TAKE THEM TO
OUR HEAVENLY FATHER AND WE KNOW WITH HIM THAT THERE IS, THERE
CAN BE INTERVENTION, THERE CAN BE HEALING AND THAT HE
DEFINITELY SAID HE HEARS US WHEN WE PRAY. SO BELIEVE THAT WE TAKE
YOUR PRAYERS TO THE GOD, THE LORD GOD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH AND
HE HEARS US WHEN WE PRAY FOR YOU. I HAVE ONE TO SHARE.
>>WHAT A PRAYER REQUEST AND CERTAINLY WE JOIN THIS VIEWER IN
ALL THAT SHE'S ASKING FOR HER FRIEND. AND THEN I HAVE AN
ENCOURAGING WORD WHICH WE'RE ALWAYS VERY HAPPY TO GET.
>>AND I ASK THAT YOU PRAY FOR ME AS I ATTEMPT TO DO JUST WHAT
THIS VIEWER HAS CHALLENGED ME TO DO, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK OF
GOD. IT'S A JOY TO BE CALLED BY GOD TO EXTEND HIS KINGDOM ON
EARTH AND TO PUT OUT SUCH TRUTHS AS MY GUEST AND I HAVE SHARED.
SO I DO ASK THAT YOU REMEMBER THAT I WILL HAVE THE STRENGTH
AND THE SO ON AND SO FORTH TO CARRY ON THE MINISTRY OF TIME
FOR HOPE.
>>FOLLOW ON-SCREEN INSTRUCTIONS TO ORDER
>>BUT JESUS SAID IN SPITE OF IT ALL WE COULD HAVE AN INNER JOY,
AND INNER PEACE FLOWING LIKE A RIVER INSIDE OF US.
>> IN FACT HE SAID MY PEACE, I LIKE THAT, GIVE I UNTO YOU. NOT
THE PEACE THE WORLD OFFERS BUT MY PEACE.
>>WOW, THAT'S AMAZING.
>>AND YOU HAVE TO EXPERIENCE TO KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT
DON'T YOU?
>>I HAD TO AFTER I WENT THROUGH REJECTION WHAT MY GRANDMA TOLD
ME. IN FACT THAT WAS THE REASON WHY I WROTE THE BOOK BECAUSE I
DID NOT KNOW MY FATHER AND I GO TO MEET HIM WHEN I WAS ABOUT 20
YEARS OLD. AND I DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHY, WHY, WHERE IS MY
FATHER? YOU KNOW I WANTED TO SEE WHO HE, IS HE TALL
>>UNTIL NEXT TIME, HAVE A GREAT WEEK AND REMEMBER, IT IS TIME
FOR HOPE.