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watching aka little bit about uninteresting connection that we
discover this week between rupert murdoch's newscorp which is is the
company
and deforestation of the rain forest in that newscorp has a a book publishing
unit harper collins
and harper collins apparently we're told and has been a contributing to the
deforestation
in
or how does that will happen what's the connection there will help us explain it
what all of us can do because a lot of those a lot of people out of you out
there care about deforestation what's happening reinforce around the globe you
talk about it is rainforest action networks robin aber back robert welcome
to the program
thank you very much glad to be here robin explain a connection between a
harper collins then uh... deforestation of the indonesian rainforest explain
that connection
captive in indonesia uh... one of the leading drivers of deforestation is the
pulp and paper industry
and it phil what's happening there it is
uh...
ida first level uh...
these companies and particularly there's two large companies in indonesia hoot
uh...
control the mat
da majority as the pulp and paper industry there danger pulp and paper and
a pro
and um... so there
they're popping rainforest and if they are converting on a map skill
diapers natural forest into monoculture tree plantations it typically they're
using
uh... uh... tree you can call the keyshia
and so what's happening in it
that
they're popping the rainforest they're putting the pulp onto the global market
and companies all over the world uh... are are buying in in the form of various
paper product silk that book that toilet paper dot shopping bag
and um... consumers worldwide are
uh... essentially
buying are getting rain forest destruction um... without knowing it
uh... around uh... executives addendum erin's examiner thing that uh...
reforestation accounts for a fifteen percent of greenhouse gases so this is
this is a big issue just in terms of uh... our missions right in terms of
uh... global warming
it is and uh... indonesia help it actually that third largest rehab
appleyard in the world right after
the u_s_ and china and in indonesia in differently from china in the u_s_
most the vast majority about eighty percent of their admission that coming
from deforestation
um... *** indonesia if the huge contributors tick
climate change
uh... as well as uh... just
all of the other impact of deforestation
webring imagine omens are right now be able to get away
uh... rollins you encounter any sort of resistance on the part of groups in
indonesian of who think that
world were developing countries and
we need this business from american publishers
amit
we really don't need
outside was
to sort of interfering with
these industries i help us build our economy
uh...
yet their therein you know d in the industry interest
particularly the pulp and paper industry it darien influential
uh... bade
basically grew up under a desk you hurt every gene and
have a great amount of political power
uh... within the current contact indonesia in politics
so are the companies involved
clearly don't like it uh... pressured to change their model but
erage many people many ngos many people to inviting members community member to
our
fighting that uh... in indonesia and um...
marriott bear there too
early repentant happening in indonesia uh...
but there at great length and pick among a group in indonesia as well as
outsiders
to campaign and
and changed the industry
this when we traditionally think of attempts to control climate change we
think it's things like haven't read
we think of
sort of smokestacks or
more typical coronations oil rigs in and things like that
is the legislation in the united states or
are international and we think of the kyoto protocol and other international
climate change agreements
that would apply that would also include the rain forest
and and deforestation or and made it may be on i'd
maybe that are in business and they're saying
carries no
uh... their n added i have to admit light area expertise but there is and
within the declining negotiation there the whole track called ari dethier ret
and um... basis
actually
a framework in which there's been debate and basically uh... looked too
there's been propellant funding um...
where uh...
industrialized nations will put money on the table
um... that would go to uh... mostly uh...
you know places like indonesia or brazil where there's a large impact for us to
help
hate cute heat forest ending um... defeat of sorry didi rate now is that
they can make swivel out there
the overall kleiman uh...
you know free-market at that point international negotiation
it also aaram
bared all picked out a
uh... work armin in california under
beat climate legislation here in this any
under eighteen thirty-two how californians also looking at how can we
find uh...
heaping forest ending in other countries at the way to uh... potentially off set
emission
uh...
in eight
well that a question for in terms of the consumer level is their anything
particular we can do i mean for example not buy books that are published by
harper collins or left harper collins know that we're concerned about the
impact that they are having on the ring for some you know are these specific
time
creek steps that all of us
can-do or should do
absolutely so are the connection at harper collins is
we actually did fiber testing on their bets thing you can take paper from about
kurt anything actually
and depended kill arabs and get attempted and find out what treat the
people are in the paper and at weekend buddy that you make a tropical hardwoods
and acacia were found a make a tropical hardwood barrick
eventually bring forestry
uh... and
virtually all of that is coming from indonesia
and it those sister may be contacting harper collins us it would be saying hey
what bernard buying any more books that you've published until you change this
absolutely so there isn't that action on ramp website right now that people can
go and take at rand dot org
uh... tibco
on harper collins videotape an act of policy that would insure that been but
not happening into the future
and certainly people should you know go ahead and contact the company directly
with their concern uh... tell them that
you know in pale rainforest destruction until they can be guaranteed every
interest attraction is not in your book
they're going to be looking elsewhere
rather never back with the rainforest action network and again the website is
randy dot org people can get more information that ran the dot org is that
correct
that tracking reverend dot org for everybody who cares about the rain
forest in a lot of you out there do uh...
it you know of the letting harper collins know that you know you're not
buying anymore harper collins books until they changed the source saying on
the paul peninsular coming from the rain forest then uh... you know if we can all
take action even with that and uh... robin we appreciate your being on the
program thanks we partake action is a good luck to you
thank you very much
your very welcome addendum erin's this week as a
continuing to rembrandt at the same in here you know i i never saw realize i
mean just that just biding purchasing a
america's that make sense that you you do that
the the pulpit goes in the books of this contributes to deforestation but the
idea that an american company harper collins at such a direct link to it
struck me as is somewhat surprising
do i think it's not that surprising when you think answer that
we have just incredibly international global economy every consumption that we
make i mean just to take another example right
the walmart workers that we're making clothing that were then sold in walmart
and that horrible fire at the factory in bangladesh
these or
we don't yet have an infrastructure for tracking
the impact of or consumer habits in this kind of an economy we we've made a very
we know the technology that makes it very easy for a company like harper
collins a source their paper from all around the world including in these were
extremely sensitive rainforest in indonesia
and we've made it very easy for
retailers like wal-mart and target
to purchase calling its main faction terrible labor settings
but we don't have a great way of moderating the consumer protections in
those areas we're integrating way of monterey
with the insensitivity of the actual
uh... would from what from what's our paper goes in
uh... comes comes
and uh...
that's
that sort of on us not to come in we can test the paper after the facts
there needs to be as part of trade agreements and as part of service
our entire world economy
systems that they get it before it starts
and and make sure that
that they really international regulations preventing how american
companies can stand source the paper and how
in in uh...
danna
i say like i uh... it's been said that uh... it goes to show that there's a
uh... i think we ought to certain civic responsibility that we buy our books to
read by our clothes that that you have a better
understanding about the way where does this material come from and house
affecting a plan of the world around us because yeah i suppose you know a lot of
us will just go out and buy something because it's
prettier because it's cheaper we like that book or whatever
but there's so much more that's a that's involved to the extent that all of us
can be a little bit more aware and a little bit more uh...
knowledgeable of the impact of our decisions on a daily basis and insert
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