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president obama was speaking in san jose addressing some of the mounting concerns
of the n_s_a_ is data mining and wiretapping program
so we have a couple of different views of his remarks will play the first is
his uh... first apparent strategy is to implicate congress with large when it
comes to telephone calls
every member of congress
has been briefed on this program
uh... with respect to all these programs
uh... the relevant intelligence committees
fully briefed on this program
these are programs that have been authorized by broad bipartisan
majorities
repeatedly since two thousand than sex
and
this so i think that the other server sp
important to understand that that
uh... your
dually elected representatives
have been consistently informed
aren't exactly
what we're doing
uh... i love that that we have all decided that it's legal so it but it is
legal
and now process there
leaves out the constitutional issues uh... about having an amendment i'm
evoking you know i agree with you
but the fact is that's how everything will go to sleep ed fortified has
bipartisan i said two thousand six and we're talking about a bush but basically
say look we got the courts to go along with what was doing tonight and we got
congress to go along with what we're doing
i'm so sad day on the road for the rest of your yeah now whether you don't like
it well who cares of andy says which
every or any of this that would
i'd help bush had been doing it that's locally elected you to change it to go
today
and i love other like
of did we forget to let you guys are not acting paper adolescent other everybody
i've talked to everybody knows about it we joke about it all the time to get mad
when i was wrong about that's not why he was elected he knows that was it is
manageable mandate to restore civil liberties you know
we need
or whether i wanted to run out of every reasons why do you know why i don't
think that she was going to take you know there are no more we thought it
restore sort of same tax policy care about governing anywhere the budget with
run by budget well that sounds to reasonable on out here
but i think that that
like there was a late word this country is scared of another attack and that
that worked for bush it works for this and that's what i mean look this stuff
stuff passes
overwhelming now dot because the government agrees
that they'd like to have more power it
classifies it as that that just laying conspiratorial nosarka spirit or illegal
status any person who would you like your brother joe you're not there behind
it was being without personal first as a government you'll just say
of what war power
it's a legitimate concern that they think
that this is this this is a reasonable step catholic don't give a *** with
their motivation is it's why we have checks and balances
but we live in a country now
where and park go back to work one of our original problems whether it's money
in politics or a press corps that is that
money impress of the press corps that doesn't pass the reasonable questions
friggin happened while we work paying attention
now whether you know whether it's the desired the government to seize more
power a alex up at me but i don't think any acts nova what date
also kept it secret
which didn't help us inquiry out what it what still opposes the secret if you're
going to do with the whole point is to catch the bad guys of course you keep it
secret
i keep it secret but then you can't come at me like well
we've been waiting for a long time why do you get out cos p exactly orthopedic
anything that
other part of it is
or under obama knows what he was elected for ben
if you say civil liberties with issue number nineteen on the list i don't
disagree with you right forget pipe
but if you know if you're saying
oboe but didn't say that he would happen if restore civil liberties logan that's
not true and definitely said
about him and i i i don't care how the president do something different we
campaigned for
is of almost no interest to me
nothing's happened for every president is reality to get in the way things easy
thing to do of looks just for those called what it is when he said he was
gonna change things he was lying like every other part
well i only have to do is lying because he he
had not yet but it was alive and
mhm you know i have no idea
maybe if i'm totally opposed and i had my druthers
i'd might restore civil liberties i think that what the clearly happens is
one of president is presented with a legitimate
potential for threat and when these guys come in and say
we can reduce
that chances of a devastating attack of the united states five
thirty six percent
inhibits
every single president says
ben-ami i'm stunned by the weakness of our prep basketball right i mean this
was a leaders freer world right
somebody's some eighty-eight guide comes in i don't care what he calls himself
out of an essay or whatever
social worker who already should resurrect verifiable references return
if you just take away all of the proprietors eras of americans that would
be okay
now that's really great argument your publisher assad
but i remember the people of the united states of america so
tiger backs and one of these lovely hiring by the problem turnover one of
the problem democrats after they were out on that sort of protecting it will
stand up for like that
as an example where bush doesn't become week one thing anybody would argue that
bush chain witness selling
week reinhardt right but they're like now we ran on protecting it would be a
i got that thirty six percent figure i'd like to get a i'd like to crack down or
yet i did that we're trying to take away uh... make that forty one percent though
he's implicated congress side and all of your elected representatives
now he was on the sale don't worry you know we we have the information or
actually listening in real time
comes to telephone calls
nobody is listening to your telephone calls
that's not what this program is about
as was indicated
the intelligence community is doing
is
looking at
phone numbers
and rations calls they are not looking at me
people's names
and they're not
looking a concept
by sifting through
the so-called meta data
they may have identify
potential leaves
with respect to
folks who might engage in terrorist
these folks
uh... if tell this committee member actually wants to listen to a point
we've got to go back to a federal judge
just like they were not criminal investigation
and that judge will use a rigorous standards before everything that they
had go ahead listening in on him
and three hundred million other by one of the house
activities like it's the it's realism of
it's just the uh...
duration called on the phone number we don't have it
telephone number you don't know that they're going to be a bit of project
deliveries good what are you giving me the phone number i don't mind than
anything i didn't have the perfect
don't worry there is a bit
all right now that live in a serious note uh...
i don't believe them
disparities lost credibility in eighteen different ways
insist it's not vessel even him but this book
law office
they don't want to push for so long was like those which have a misquote where
he said
every time we uh... listening to any awards right letters that was the
warrantless wiretapping at that same exact time
now he said well that's for sure sato bombay except the woman said
every time we use interest rate were incredibly terrible were targeting top
allocated terrorist and at earlier point his uh... supporters job readiness
center had said but there were no civilians killed in that we find others
with hundreds of civilians killed
and according to u_n_ bc news report
fifty percent of the time that we do draw a strike
nor earthly idea who were killing
is like before
why would believe in that and it out of this this is a program of listening
anyway
also that this is early bushes in the hallway i guess what we say his rival
even now
because the story broke it
seven adults and the focal
train actually look that we know of that we know how it for now right but maybe
not but you figure that both of these stories that that landry well story at
the present story like that they would listen to the vocal i think that would
have been in the story
i got whilst i was in the vocals are worried that the war they'll need to
listen to his *** i don't think they're not if it's a really fair point
answer to clarify
but you know
do i believe it that's what what they're doing in moses is today could be right i
don't believe them generally perhaps so for example if you know bush said
ultimately won't listen to terrorist threat that we found out that they were
listening to the generals in the soldiers in iraq
and then we found out they will see the personal calls and then we found out
there listening to phone sex of u_s_ interests right so every time they said
all of the government would never do that anything
oracle they do
so when president obama says don't worry i'm a good guy i would never do that
not to you
uh... by the way i don't like to give commercial malcolm credit all that often
but she did make the point just a couple of days ago on fox news that you know
brock obama does have a speech a couple weeks ago that we have to move past this
idea of a perpetual war on terror that saw the world we live in anymore
well that's true act like it
you take away some of the programs or put in place three arrests on times
after nine eleven
if you're going to maintain the ball season sop talk about getting credit for
months
for changing the position in orientation u_s_ government and so bizarre world
view of the person credit newt gingrich in right-wing israeli leader for some
mystery about matt although it's not really not for exit one of the bombing
this morning putting a lot of our audience and you too
uh... made the point i just have to see you see it first
well then i'm glad we use this increase you know
program the solicitor skated so successful so effective
digestible sandbox
and by the way all and that uh... the
underwear bomber
on christmas day in the times square bomber alot with those two bombs didn't
go off
but those are three massive incidents
and this stupid program didn't touch any of them leading me to whatever support
of the program pork maybe somebody else before the program
this is so wonderful so fact department almost never catches anyone
well first of all
we don't know just for *** it stopped major major threats against the united
states also were told to graduate with no specifics
and i don't have a right every time you can stop some major terrorist attack the
never brags about it not and although certainly that was the for personal that
there's a there's a significant ship version of a
the answer could contain here and
again
is we've broken the story as we've gotten a former n_s_a_ official who
leaked the prism story
that and glenn greenwald break-ins over rising stories
if it was being used for a different purpose again
i think now we would balance i think it's being i don't think we need to get
more frustrated that we are putting kids being used for this purpose
for now
you know but but again or will they ever eg as you said it would why what
president obama
in an effort to get rid of perpetual war state michelle
why won't he
take back some of these overreach is that we had during this time of the
spirit
because to blend your poor because nobody gives up power voluntarily and
when it becomes convenient maybe
of talking about last night before the show
next gary bauer type is elected president and he they decide that uh...
his administration decides the biggest threat
american society isn't the muslims come in to get us
but the two k
of of moral decency
and then they start looking for different kinds of conversations aneta
you know or conversations with god forbid insider trading conversation you
get deeper ghetto sex starved conversations they can give people a
financial advantage at some point
uh... and by the way
you know when you start looking into the poll
uh... war on drugs the there already the drug gangs were difficult aris
and it's not that much of a stretch to say well i mean
i was looking for
gang out of town you wind take drugs
you're under arrest
uh... but wherever you are supposed to be looking at that's why it's a dragnet
that so you know i suppose that fragments
we just investigate every single american just in case hasn't strike
battling it strikes anyway it just a question of degrees
michael thank you very very very selected you would agree to what you
think it's much fewer than i do
before it's used
just starts being used
for purposes other than
the first purpose which would only be the first place democrat at least that's
what is being used for
erin made that speech
uh... a couple weeks ago about
the need for us to shift out of
uh...
a perpetual
or mindset
i specifically said that one of the things that were at the discuss and
debate
is how we striking this balance
between the need to keep the american people safe
our concerns about privacy
because there are some tradeoffs involved
i welcome this debate
and
understand what the for
fibers and i think it's a sign in the short because probably spiders ago six
years ago
we might not have been have in this debate
uh... it's interesting that there is some
falls on the left but also some possible right we're now
worried about room
beria
worried about it
when it was a republican president that's good
we're having this discussion he opens it so much that it's not that i think a
report detailing a for us to finally find out about a program
he's got a funny way of showing welcoming debate like for example when
you started doing it you might have wanted to welcome the debate about what
the *** uh... or you could wait five years and be like how you found out
about this is a program
i now welcome to i into an ongoing debate that was happening only between
me and my buddies inside our borders
they said you know this conversation should have been going on unit you could
had this comes as a five or six years ago you could have this country
i've been out of five or six days ago because it was a secret program
but he seems to me like
boarded over abortion voice was terrible week but you kept it just a sickness
watch that
we did have a plan for six years ago we had when i was out of that and you ran
for president
yeah i think there is no huh
and
sit you will be with you what we want the you want usual duplicitous like
he said you remember the speech
and not
uh... rather than a exceeds soak up the n_t_s_b_ on
that he gave a speech a few weeks ago
where exit will come office this this
perpetual war mentality or words to that effect
so you think that that's leading up to a point
where i was david as you mentioned john that this would be one of the things
that we get scaled back
but they need to return to the first half of his sentences obligor who wants
to bring us office war mentality but there are
but then we we need to have this conversation but there are trade-offs
and this is one of the trails were not given up ameet the conversation starts
with
on with you this is out
*** he just can't believe the government
better that's coming up
old-school george bush
didn't take it away your kids are good enough yet and ordered him to do it any
day at a hundred percent privacy and that's a sad day for you and
uh... i enjoy that debate we had for about three dash seconds the nafta
debate is over and continued is fine i can we can we have
i like this can we
picture reminds what we're expecting
yeah okay first of all agree
that thus far in in in the secret programs all the stuff
i guess they can be
what do you have to respect
to expect them
almost seeing people who have come across as a president's there were cover
up
what she has to know
spiraling i've just called backgrounds and we got all these in the minus the
department's got everything together we're collecting former as word of this
particular way
because that's not doing it again
how would you come on
sicknesses hot
what's going on
but with expected transparent president which
carmel how much he has been battling senate campaign
do we expect after every meeting he has an oval office
to then copper stocks at this is what we just talked about the role of religion
that's going on we're doing this doesn't make any sense is that
amiga like we have a a friend of size
of what the president
can-do in will be
yet so i have so many things to say whether they're going to forget so
uh... first of all uh...
i like the most restrained ministration history
uh... i guess with a menace
mural either to be transmitted to ups cohort story did your e-mails in your
photos of sarah
uh... san juan dot in a democracy you're supposed to say this is what i'm doing
on behalf of the american people
if i'm doing it to the american people they should know that
yeah i'd like you know but i know you were saying earlier there was some you
know that gives way some advantage
i don't think so
acted act and believe our kids so stupid
that they think aquifer ordered as well
service yet here's a list of his outfit i would assume that there were a single
matos at that and i was on the internet was being
tried by then i say that they cannot track now by the way combat
you can't get a warrant other world what p
yes you are saying
so end so yeah i think you should have an honest debate it
from the beginning in st
look i'd just give in order to rise in eighteen d et cetera i'm gonna collect
decided that cuz i believe it and i think it's going to keep you safe i want
you to know that because i think a representative on your president and so
understand that and if you disagree will have a conversation or whatever it is a
new beat me in congress and the more while now i mean that
i agreed to subject right but there you know i mean the c_i_a_ and the n_s_a_
spying is done secretly
this is fine
no i don't think i think i doubt it but
but this is not what you don't sign three hundred million people secretly
determined that the resources for it
the this secrets find that we want them to do
is the one that someone specific individuals that they have cause
highlights of agreed that this is the
the issue is that
the issue is the spying on three hundred million people the issues the war is
there a real check on the power we need is to be unconstitutional because we've
put in a moment in there
the fourth wanted to look to protect against this very thing the transparency
issue
i don't give a *** about really don't mean i get it but i mean
no presidents are transparent governments operate in secret many
things at many things are incredibly open about the u_s_ government the puts
it ahead of most governments
and many things are the most secret because we're the best that doing all
the secret
so the transparency park man and but i think there's a sanctions but overall
disappoint multilayer decision is
i don't want their president to come out into a press conference or by the way we
tap the phones of the foreign minister of china in fact the fifty and i think
i'm guessing great received this telegram and we get information about
the latest weapons program
they wait to go down probate no i don't want to know that that should be secret
right after the c_i_a_ dances for speedily
and entitled what one one more thing
it always is this is an old which seems like prisoner-of-war most powerless like
hotmail of portraying what could i do i had no choice it's an appropriate for
the most powerful man on earth you had a lot of choices
and look back
i don't know pants
but we just put it this way can come back to j_f_k_
because everybody always says the president still have a choice right
and you know eat you
do nationality securities online generals he's got a list of his
commanders on the ground of sarah
and all the presidency that no
because commanders on the ground in the general still j_f_k_ you must do a
preemptive nuclear strike and two ba
we have no other choice
and skip gates said rolling out a lot
okay and it turns out that
we didn't know what you were at the time had
already had tactical nuclear weapons
they got removed i had it you know this uh... in america he came out
uh... at some point between when i read the history books and identify evaluate
pictures that they might have
they might have been able to newport
this
so it's a good thing the president said
mel i'm not gonna listen i don't mind yet but i don't have to listen to that
there might be a here's a memo to whoever runs for president twenty six
two portions of the little in the republicans will will get
to me that the area
echoes of the president's
power or lack thereof
is the n_s_a_
bigger than the power of the press
yes agree quite end so like if there's a republican running for office the way
that they talk about the i_r_s_
who says look i would keep you safe i'ma get same control oca civilians run this
country not the big n_s_a_
and if the president is sort of powerless to stop the giant military
industrial national security administration
that that served at that i think in different ways is the actual fear that
we're talking
and so that goes law i'd believe the heart oval bombs problem
that you'd look we can't mind reading you can't tell vince that you'd want to
do this offer is we get settled
he will
he will not risk
any degree of political damage
to stand up
to the national security military
industrial complexes center
let me what you would take courage a political courage
because it would be leaks say you know he's soft on terror is the decided
you're going to be good word with all your dismantling the n_s_a_ destroyed
x_-ray and so it's not that cost was that all people get along
if you did it was strong and you did that
all my god be with legal legacy avenue chains would comment on the republican
was screaming bloody hell that means
and it may be that that would any kind of terrorist attack in texas
so i guess as a political price to pay
so that you have the courage to tell you that political price for the flight back
strong against that would call a lawsuit because realistically what that
political prices
and political prices