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Many people say that the Muslim God and the God of the Bible are the same
The Koran versus Genesis this week on Creation Magazine LIVE!
Welcome to Creation Magazine LIVE! my name is Calvin Smith and I'm Richard Fangrad,
and this week our topic is the Koran
versus Genesis. That's right. Now whatever knowledge, whatever philosophy sets
itself up against the knowledge of Christ, other religions like Hinduism,
Buddhism,
Islam for example, a key to its demolition,
have a look at 2nd Corinthians 10:5 for this, a key to its demolition is to show that its
view of origins, unlike Genesis, doesn't fit with reality.
That's a key to its demolition. And so in sense you can nip it in the bud as
they say.
Right because its origins. For example many people ask, do Jews
and Christians and Muslims, do they worship the same God?
And you know, what does the Koran say about the Bible for example?
Its easy to show actually, that Muslims do not worship the same God Christians
do by looking at what
the Koran says versus what Genesis, what the Bible says,
in the book of Genesis. Many Christian commentators have sought to raise
awareness of the fundamental doctrinal differences between the Koran and the Bible,
and we've done the same thing, but few people are aware of how
muslim's holy book very starkly contradicts
the biblical account origins. There's a huge contradiction there and
that's one of the areas we can explore.
A lot of times people think it's similar but it actually isn't. You know one of the
biggest points
is that Genesis provides a unified description of creation. The Koran
actually doesn't.
Instead what we see in the Koran is fragmented passages that are
scattered throughout many of its 114 chapters, or what's
called Sura
in the Koran, and the tables
that you're going to see on your screen shortly, basically
take these fragments and we're going show a clearer picture of what the
Koran says basically
compared to the Bible. And the many contradictions that we're going to highlight
in the tables actually demolish these claims of some Muslim apologists,
you know that the revelation given to Muhammad is not a corruption
but actually, you know it's supposedly reliably builds upon the judeo-christian
history but
that's just not the case. Let's get into some of this right away. Now the
first topic we're going to tackle is
the creation account itself and we can compare the Bible versus the Koran
and you're going to see from this chart immediately
that there are huge differences here. So the Bible says, we can
start off with this; Man was created
on earth in the Garden of Eden. The Koran on the other hand says man was created
in paradise, Janna, not on earth.
The first couple later banished to earth
there so there's a difference to begin with. That's right.
The Bible describes clearly what was made on
each day of the creation week. The Big *** is excluded from the sequence for
example,
you know some, even Christians would say well maybe God used the Big ***
but the Big *** says that the Sun came first and the earth came later, the Bible
says that God created the earth first and the Sun came on day four...Sequencing issues there...
That doesn't fit at all.
And actually, the Koran, there's no really clear details of each
creation day, there's just these vague
clustering of the Days in Sura 41:9-12 but
nothing really specific about what God actually did. Okay so there's a
difference here's another one.
Creation in six days which are clearly earth rotation days, so around 24
hours as measured by our clocks.
The Koran says creation is also in six days but could easily be interpreted as
millions of years.
You can't easily interpret the biblical creation days as
millions of years. The Hebrew text there is very specific
that it is six earth rotation days.
Also, man and animals were created vegetarian. Genesis 1:29 and 30 is very clear
on this. There was no death and suffering in the original creation. Of course this
is a linchpin
of biblical creationist, what we talk about, and
Christians in general.
But a course in the Koran, carnivory
and thus of course death and suffering was apparently integral to life on the
created earth from the very first. The Koran actually says
that cattle were created for man
to be eaten from the very beginning. So
there's a huge stark contrast... Its a huge theological difference
there, it may not seem like much, carnivory VS no carnivory but
the theological difference is huge at that point. If you can have death and
suffering right from the beginning then God is represented
as a God that used death as a creative
positive process. And then called okay. That's right.
Here's another one. Man was created naked but not ashamed. The Koran speaks
of Adam and his wife's nakedness becoming apparent to them
after they sinned. Also implied in 7:22
Yet also implies that they were wearing some kind of
clothing, raiment, prior to the Fall.
That's bit of a difference there. A bit of a difference yes. All things were
created through Christ and for Christ. We see this,
you know Christ was pre-existent to creation, we see this in the scriptures very clearly.
But of course in the Koran Jesus Christ was a created being
and we see that in the Koran in 3:59
and it says; "The similitude of Jesus before Allah
is as that of Adam. He created him from dust. So we can already see some stark
contrasts and we're going to continue with this when we come back...
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Welcome back if you just tuned in we're talking today about the Koran
versus Genesis, very controversial. Yes, some people would say that the God
of Islam is the same as the God of the Bible. We've already seen
massive differences and we're just going to continue with these. The next topic we're going
to be talking about is one of corruption.
We see bad things in this world, how did they get here?
The Bible says one thing, the Koran actually says something far different. For example;
The Bible says prior to sin, Adam and Eve
were given free access to the fruit of the tree of
life, Genesis 2:9 and 16-17.
Of course the Koran actually says the 'Tree of eternity', which is equated with
giving eternal life in 7:20,
hence comparable to the biblical 'Tree of Life', was the
forbidden tree. Well that's a stark contrast.
It also says in the Bible that the forbidden tree
clearly identified as the 'Tree of the knowledge of good and evil',
it says; "And the Lord God commanded the man, 'You're free to eat from
any tree of the garden but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of
good and evil
for when you eat of it you will surely die." So that's Genesis and here's
the Koran. There is no mention of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
The Koran 7:19 says this;
"Oh Adam! Dwell thou and thy wife
in the garden and enjoy its good things as you wish:
But approach not this tree or you run into harm and transgression."
Right. How about the snake, you know the serpent
in Eden, and Genesis 3 talks about this.
Of course in the Koran there's no mention of snake or serpent
in the Koran actually except for the reference to Moses, you know the
stick to snake transformation that we read in the Bible as well.
In the Bible it says the serpent enticed Eve,
denying that she would die. That's in Genesis 3:1-5. "Surely you will not die"
Satan tells Eve. Well in the Koran Satan enticed Adam
and his wife in Koran 20:120;
"But Satan whispered to him. He said' Oh Adam! Shall I lead thee to the Tree of
Eternity and to a kingdom that never decays?"
Koran 7:20-21 says; "Then began Satan to whisper suggestions to them... He said;
'The Lord only forbade you this tree,
lest ye should become angels or such beings as live forever.'?"
Right that's a stark contrast there. "The Lord
God made garments of skin for Adam and Eve and clothed them...". This is when
the Fall happens, this is one of the first thing that happens, there's a
creature obviously killed at that point and animal skins are given to
Adam and Eve.
And course in the in the Koran there's the raiment
mentioned but no mention of a skin. No evidence
if seeing death now entering at that point because the Koran said that,
you know, cattle were created for death at the beginning...It was
already around... That right, where as
the Bible, oh, there's death in the world after sin. All right
here's another one.
After the fall of Adam and Eve in the Bible, still on earth
but barred from Eden. In the Koran Adam and Eve were shifted from Paradise which was
apparently not on earth down to earth. Another difference.
After the fall man will now eat, this is what the
Bible says, through painful toil as
a result of the curse on land, by the sweat of your brow,
Genesis 3;17-19. Toil and sweat were an integral part of the original
created earth
according to the Koran 90:4 "Verily we have created
man to toil and struggle from the beginning."
So that was there from the beginning. All the evil bad stuff and so on, not
with Genesis. Alright, here's another one, let's keep going.
Death in the Bible is called an "enemy" that entered after Adam sinned, and you can
see the Bible references there for that. And there's many others as well.
In the Koran on the other hand no reference is made to death being an
enemy or any other...
...it's an integral part of the original created
earth in the Koran. So again, that's a huge one... That is huge... That's a
really big one because it's one of the biggest questions is "Where did evil come from?"
And the Koran and the Bible have radically different explanations for those.
Exactly. The Bible says the ground is now cursed,
the whole creation now groaning in bondage to decay.
We see that throughout Scripture, that theme that God cursed the ground
after Adam sin and rebelled. In the Koran apparently the bad things
are not a consequence of the Fall.
As you mentioned they are an integral part of the original creation. That means
that God's character is directly affected depending on which
book that you take as factual. And we'll be back...
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Welcome back to Creation Magazine LIVE! this week we're talking about Genesis versus
the Koran.
That's right. Now we can see lots of things for instance
right away where there is big challenges here, the Koranic account prohibits
Adam from going anywhere near the forbidden tree,
while Genesis says that God only commanded Adam not to eat of its
fruit. Man has been placed in the garden to tend it, which seems to require
physical access to each of these trees.
Right? For pruning etc. Interestingly the
Bible relates that Eve, who was deceived, you see that in 1 Timothy 2:14,
had misconstrued God's instruction to not eat of the
fruit from the tree. Instead also to mean not to touch it.
See the way it's phrased there. She amplified God's command. Genesis 3:3.
And yet Eve's distorted view, which is obviously wrong
is actually portrayed as truth in the Koran.
So more and more differences here. The biblical account of origins also
makes more sense of today's world than the Koran does. In the areas that
we've already talked about, the presence of sin,
evil in the world, violence, death, the origin of languages, the origin of
different racial groups and so on,
skin shades, that type of thing, the history in the Bible there provides a
great explanation
to all these things. In particular
Romans 8 it talks about the world being in bondage,
like it's in the process of childbirth and so on. It is going downhill and that
kind of thing.
In contrast the Koran makes God responsible
for death and suffering in common with the long evolutionary
types of ideas, these non-christian views and eastern
religions. It kind of mirrors that
that type of idea. Well let's continue with the idea of
judgment in the form of a catastrophe.
We've talked about this a lot, Noah's flood that's in Genesis of course.
The Bible says that Noah was the tenth generation from
Adam. Genesis 5:3-32 and Luke
3:36-38, so both the Old and the New Testament
and of course we've got other biblical genealogies that allows us to date the
Flood to around 4300 years ago.
In the Koran there's actually no clear genealogies given
so it's not really written the same in the Bible is as real history, with real
dates, real time.
Real people, this person lived that long and then the next person in
and the generations and so on.
Here's another one. The Ark is described in the Bible as sealed with pitch,
a little fuzzy on exactly what that is, but it's possibly something like tree resin.
In the Koran the Ark is caulked in palm
fiber. So a bit of a difference there.
The Bible gives Ark
dimensions. There's an exact... Yes!...size and shape that the
Ark would be. Of course the Koran doesn't even mention
the Ark size. And of course when you're trying to explain things like how did he get
all the animals on the Ark it's important to know the size of it so
you can have a good defense.
The Bible says if as for the duration of the Flood is concerned
there was 40 days and 40 nights of rain, then there was 150 days,
that's five months. The total duration is around 370 days,
a little bit over a year. And you can read that in various verses in
Genesis, you can see there on the screen.
The Koran mentions no time period
above the flood so a little difference there as well.
And again this lack of detail really, it doesn't sound like
real history anymore. It's just allusions or, you know... and that's why we'll see
later on that many modern Muslims are starting to incorporate evolution into
their thinking because they say the Koran is fuzzy on this etc.
You know the problem with taking dates out of the stories
in the Bible, the accounts in the Bible there?
As soon as you take the dates out of some historical account it becomes
'once upon a time'... Which is a fairy tale... yeah. The Bible says
eight people survived the flood, first Peter 3:20 and
for example, all of Noah's family, that's what the Bible says, survived the Flood.
But in the Koran the number on board is not mentioned. The Koran claims that one
of Noah's sons was drowned
in the Flood and puts a question mark over whether Noah's
wife survived. You can read that in Sura 66:10 and 11:40.
Okay, here's another difference. After the Flood man was
granted permission to eat meat,
Genesis 9:3. In the Koran, of course, we already mentioned this, man ate
meat on the earth
from the beginning. A specific reason why that happened to, right?
After the Flood the environment changes, people are spreading out all over
the earth. If you're going to be an
Inuit and you are only going to eat plants you are going to die. So God gives a command now you
can eat meat. It makes sense with real history.
Another one here. "I've set my rainbow in the clouds and it will be the sign of
the covenant between me and the earth. Never again will the waters become a
flood to destroy all life." That's in Genesis
9:11-17, in the Bible. There's no mention of the rainbow
or its significance anywhere in the Koran.
And we'll be back.
Many people scoff at the idea that all humans descended from
a woman called
Eve only thousands of years ago. But geneticist actually endorse a similar idea
known as Mitochondrial Eve. By studying the DNA in cell parts known as Mitochondria,
scientists propose that all humans descended from a single woman that lived
200,000 years ago.
But this date relies on evolutionary assumptions, chief of which is the idea
chimpanzees and humans shared a common ancestor
six million years ago. However actual research has shown that Mitochondrial DNA
mutates much faster than this evolutionary estimate and this
drastically reduces Mitochondrial Eve's age.
This would mean that Mitochondrial Eve, as a review in the prestigious
journal "Science" said,
lived about 6500 years ago. A figure clearly incompatible
with current theories on human origins,
but it is compatible with the Bible's history. To find out more from Creation
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Well today we are covering the difference between the Koran
and Genesis, we've seen a ton of differences so far but we're gonna continue
further on in the narrative here. We've talked about Creation and the Fall and then the Flood and
now we're on to the Tower of Babel.
Let's see some differences there. The Bible says that before
God confused the tongues, the languages at Babel,
the whole world had one common language. But the Koran says,
actually there is no mention ever of there being a single common language
or of the tower Babel. So there's a major difference there.
Right because we can explain where the people groups came from by talking about the
Tower of Babel,
the Koran has no answer for it...And the different language families and so on...Exactly.
After being scattered from Babel people congregated into clans and nation's,
each with their own languages.
Of course the Koran, regarding the different languages, the Koran in
Sura 30:22 says "And among His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth,
and the variations in your languages and your colors..."
So apparently it's saying there that, you know, all those things were created
from the beginning right? Not one... because the Bible is clear. From one man
He created all nations of men, there weren't nations
to start with. Yes, to list all the instances where the Koran
contradicts Genesis and contradicts the Bible would take very very many pagesand
far more time than we have today.
But the following examples suffice to show that there are significant
differences between how the Koran teaches about origins and
ancient history
and the Bible. The Bible says that salvation comes only through Jesus
Christ. That's mentioned in John 14:6 for example, Acts 4:12 and elsewhere.
While the Koran says that only through Islam obedience to Allah
and His Prophet Mohammed can one avoid the "blazing fire".
Right. The Koran denies Christ's death and resurrection,
that's pretty important to Christians. Various passages in the Koran
say that Allah made it appear to the Jews as if Jesus was crucified
but in the meantime Allah took Jesus up to heaven. While the Bible says that
as descendants of Adam all are born with a sinful nature
the Muslim view is that man
and is born innocent, and the Koran refers to sin as
earned. You are not born with sin its
earned through your lifetime. Again, huge differences to our theology.
The Koran denies that God is triune, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Muslims do not
address God as Father
believing that no man can ever be the Son of God.
"...and the Christians call Christ the Son of Allah. ...Allah's curse
be on them: How they are deluded
away from the truth" is what it says and 9:30-31.
While the Bible says that "...it is by grace that we are saved
through faith alone, not by works, lest any man should boast", we read that
in Ephesians 2:8-9
the Koran tells a very different story. It says
"Then those whose balance
of good deeds is heavy, they will attain salvation:
but those whose balance is light will be those who have
lost their souls; in hell they will abide."
So what it actually teaches here is that there's
a balance between good works and bad works. And what you have to do... It's a work based
religion just like about any other religion
except Christianity. Now while the Bible calls
Christians to go and make disciples of all nations, you find that in the Great
Commission in Matthew 28,
this has to be done with gentleness and respect. First Peter 3:15-16.
Christians don't use weapons to, weapons of the world to preach the Gospel.
But for Muslims a very different approach is
is required and prescribed in the Koran. For example it says;
"...then fight and slay the Pagans wherever you find them, or then fight and slay the pagans,
and seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them
in every stratagem of war; but if they repent
and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity,
then open the way for them." That's a very different way of salvation then for
Christians. It also says;
"I will instill terror into the hearts of unbelievers: Smite
ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them."
Well that's a little bit of a different way of trying to convert people to,
to believe in your God obviously.
Again, another difference, while the Bible instructs the husband never to be
harsh with his wife and to
sacrificially love her as Christ loved the church. Christ is our example here,
and not to deprive one another, the Koran actually says;
"As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill conduct,
admonish them first, next, refuse to share their beds
and last beat them. So again, you're seeing
a complete difference here. The Bible says that God is love.
The Koran does not. And we will be back with some of these
differences in just one moment...
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David Catchpoole, one of our scientists. Now with the increased adoption
of evolution based curricula, we've seen in the Western world, some Muslim
leaders and scholars
begin to recognize the threat to Islam
from a rising tide of evolutionary thinking, the same thing that's happened to Christians.
And the response has been to either attack evolution, or to more commonly
try to be blend it
with Islam. So that the creationist Muslims claim that the theory of evolution
and the Holy Koran are in direct conflict with each other, and no
compatibility is possible anywhere. As a matter of fact New Scientist reported
that Islamic creationist books cite and copy Christian creationists
but they take out the biblical references. Yes of course.
Interesting, however evolution believing Muslims seem to be far
more numerous and
vocal than their creationist Muslim counterparts. They have a
substantial strategic advantage
precisely because the Koran is so vague and seemingly open to various interpretations,
they delight in pointing out that in contrast, "There is absolutely no
ambiguity whatsoever
in the biblical description of the creation in six days
followed by a day of rest, the Sabbath analogous with the days of the week"
Similar to Christian long age thinkers and theistic evolutionists
and those kinds of things,
evolution accommodating Muslims are adamant that the days of creation in
the Koran
really mean long periods of time, ages or eons, that kind of thing. What's interesting though is they are
saying look,
they're saying that the Islamic... evolutionists are saying look,
the Koran can fit with evolution but the Bible can't fit with evolution
but the Christian long agers and
theistic evolutionists they're not noticing that difference?
That it doesn't fit with the Bible? Interesting.
Now Muslim apologists, they gleefully point out that the Koran is compatible with
evolution while the Bible's not,
here's an example; "Neither here nor elsewhere
anywhere else in the Holy Koran is it affirmed that Adam was the first man,
or that there was no creation by God before Adam, nor that Adam lived or man
was created,
or the earth was made only 6000 years ago."
See the, here's a quote from a Muslim. He's saying look, this is what the
Bible says, this is what the Koran says and the Koran fits with evolution...
Hurrah!... we would agree with them actually.
Now long age Muslims also exploit the Bible's explicit detail
of the Flood as well. They say that because the Bible
clearly says that there was a recent global flood while "science",
in quotes, says there was not, the Bible is wrong
and the Koran is thus confirmed to be right. That's another
argument they'll give. Some Muslim literature even claims that the Koran shows
that Allah revealed to Mohammed
details about the Big ***, the ancient universe
and evolution long before scientists began to discover such
quote-unquote facts. Now a further challenge for the Muslim world would
concern the presence of death,
suffering, grief, we mentioned this earlier, in the world.
And when you consider the following exchange between american TV show host
Larry King and Georgetown University's Islamic professor of theology
Mr Al-Faruqi,
King said we'll "...if you believe in heaven and Paradise then dying is good?
and Faruqi said "Absolutely and dying is perfectly natural,
it's the end of things." And you can see right there that death
is built right into this system of Islamic belief.
We'll see you next time...