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now it is that talk about immigration within the context of tabloid also tore
favor topics or combine into one
i want to talk to other angeles shepherd's hey he's a long time to shoot
it to the p_b_s_ newshour and he's written the book moving millions how
coyote capitalism
fuel squabble integration
different wildly efforts
thank you very much ravin required reading gray tabby first what this
coyote capitalism
well you know what the twright at that point com procurement barbara
and it's the job of a priority or human margaret begets migrants come across a
border
they are really care about uh... why they're coming where they're coming from
the return for pushing them out possibly in
the return to the polling them and where they're going conditions yet about the
conditions once they arrive their job is to get paid
to get from across the border
pure and simple
similarly you've got a system about u connecticut in a conspiratorial wave but
if you look globally that trade policy apap national police's we move people
around almost uh... like interchangeable pahc
really care about uh... what the feel compelled to top it driving them or what
happened when they get there
migrants are part of the economic machinery so that that i'm using the
perfect pretty capitalism
alright and pat
what do you mean it it fuels global integration and other than the obviously
you need this system too
ob to bring them invited
what's the the actual impetus behind all
yeah well i guess what i'm trying to do it gets to get away from the fixation on
herb on the legal status of migrants which so preoccupied stuff
and look at some of the root causes but dr migrant farm property talking about
the economic migrant funeral kind people who migrate with various treatment ah...
climate change or
catastrophe walters president bradley focusing on people who move across
borders
because they're looking through
improve their lives because their opportunity on one part of the florida
all looking at what might be driving people alag lack of opportunity
on the other by the department
and my contention is frankly that and really
i don't know if you really look at declawed his migration
you're not really going to be able to pull wrote deal with the issue
in a way that make sense which is reached by playing the old debate over
and over again particularly when the economy coach pat and people often look
to scapegoat migrant dont think i'll look beyond
beyond some of the the before proficient
bible but license adolescents evolves as you know wind could blow by the
long-term coz i'm very sympathetic obviously but
uh... at the same time it seems like a fixed social
long time for anyone have enough sense actually
that type of a long-term causes that
it might make sense to address some things in the short term
the what how might see now
well well well you got to go to both of short term at and a long term
combine you can ignore he either one but we reduced seem to be ignoring the
long-term issues
um... so private market disagree with uh... with
richter contention that we need to
look at it all of the whole planned uh... figure out what caused the
migration before and packwood in a way for us
that make sense
you know a little different routes we try to
a cardboard put up
a higher fences beauregard what have you
where there is where with the route with the equator make sense to people where
two people being pushed out pulled in
they're going to take the risk of becoming
stomach but at the history of the contract understand that and
notebooks and little ambivalent on all this because
i think was do work but
not the one we're building along our border because it doesn't cover the
whole borders of course people can just
quite literally
walk around expo it's ridiculous
but the thing that's ever gets at the time for another day i one of the heart
of this matter because and that's what you're writing about
so
how do you address that long-term problem you stop the coyote cat was in
the first place
where are you
utica policies that are encouraging migration
for example
if we felt
corn for mexico at cheap prices
com on the cutting farm if there were trying to growth
they're calling on the cough alcorn subsidized so we can ship report
undercut the practice of corn and in mexico
fathers don't have a picture hobbs what they do great great they look not become
law
um... so that one that with the protocol is in effect
right there but it's not just new mexico in the united states
i think american catholic understand that what's happening is not
uh... compliant
trip to north america but it happening everywhere around the world with two
disparity income where you have a development
developed country the developed world
and the undeveloped world europe's going to exactly the plane thing when england
has its elections next week
there are they're also going to be thinking about immigration
justice front denmark than italy where the panda
uh... strikes and spain with urban riot
they are also contemplating figuring out
help field report it
how to prevent africans from for moving across
and i'd just like that let's go let's get the heart of because one if you
think it's i mean this is not just the corn subsidies i mean
first if it is that we have our democracy because as much as i hate
those core subsidies
uh... date you know those are senators from those states quan trong states that
wind up you know manipulating the uh... the politics of the situation to get
those subsidies that i don't like it but it is parton parcel of how we're on our
democracy
uh... but uh... i think it would be coming even without the subsidies and
how to fix that prob
well i think we do you know i'm not economy
uh... but i'm not suggesting that i have all the answers trying to think that
we're not even addressing
from the first thing i think we need to start doing it it looking at migration
at the natural human you grant we all every either either we have got a fact
that we're going to my family
amol they are interested have done it though what kind of hard hardwired to do
it
if this circumstances present themselves
so we've got a problem looking and creating immigration at an international
issue
not just for the national issue altona can't pick the problem
united states by itself can fix the problem
wide nature immigration is an international all that's uh... is an
international issues that are bordering fault
so wonderful i think you've got to do its not talking to mexico
uh... in a serious way which we don't really do we try to treat it
as just the national
uh... i agree with you entirely amendments on it severed sees a series
of p_b_s_'s news hour also author of this book moving millions have clarity
so it wasn't fuels global immigration
so you're right it's a national crime yet item as for the senate but
what what act what a and agrees i think that is good i will have a great sense
of myself and i know that of the best way to stopped illegal immigration other
countries actually i do something about the companies that are hiring to illegal
workers here in the u_s_ this is all about them and then if they on have that
demand that sort of the supply will come
understand that part
but what what would you talk to mexico back how do we fix the structural
problems the fact that america's aristocrat rhythm x court obviously as
as happen in the history the world and as you talk about people will naturally
flow to a kind of threat to a place where they have are able to earn a
better living for the time
well you know out at the gap are prepared to be an economy right now i'm
looking at you know you're looking at economic or structural problem that
deal with with with disparities in the lack of opportunity
and if you choose regarding investment
problem economic development
alternative training issues that the united nations and others are addressing
with the millennium project and other and father that all tied in with
the ability of askin abt inability
to deal with uh... with global pop poverty and global
i'll bet global inequality
making simple and it may seem obvious
but it's not a road it's not a pathway taking
uh... janet napolitano famous respect you show me a fifty
when she was governor of barreto dot blot update you show me a fifty-foot
central show you a fifty one foot ladder
if she was right then
she's not really the key thing that these days
but those that principle will hold
um... and i don't get the by the defense or how many border patrol agents we we
put on the porter
uh... off and you look at the state doing exactly the same thing building
fortress europe trying to stop people from moving
nockard works well then let me end on this because either
m skeptical that there is anything that can be done about it and let me explain
what i mean by that it's like if you know in size you're taught that if you
have to areas that are split
anindita i'm can do a terrible job explaining this but let's say it's the
right of housing open the window eventually the temperature outside and
reciting to be the same
now you can get some sort of equilibrium that it won't be that when the beginning
but eventually well
and now in economics is a very similar principal and eventually
of people will go to from poor area sir richard as they get equilibrium
now people hate that an and they live in the richer areas and
and i know there's a lot of progressives who
i don't like that idea there's a lot of americans who don't like that idea
but icy it as an inevitability and so we have these conversations but
you can't stop science
it her bum year begins very loose of my sciences so-called science
but is three oh yeah jeffrey
recruiter window
preval wallenberg your cut out from the rector please why don't i don't know the
exact opposite side not on the exact opposite sides is because of the same
close the window
states open the window get real spectacular mediocre
and you're going to get equilibrium so for me al pathway to citizenship because
they're going to come no matter what and and then you should have a scene and
reasonable way of of dealing with it
this idea that summer dresses haven't nato they won't like that i'm saying
this is that we're going to go back to the old days as a kind of revisor the
conservatives and we're going around i think that these around this great
american middle class
and it we're going to go back and open up manufacturing plants in america's
going to work at them where these great jobs
i think those days are gone and i think i agree with your computer
yeah i agree with your
i think we're going to have the equilibrium at some point of that's
going to be tough and painful but that's probably already whippet
that that you know anytime event but i think that happening now exactly
immigrant being treated croat letting it happen time again
went the economy coach goats now does it work
uh... we weekend to scapegoat migrant pret-a-porter government it happens
it happened to chinese after mexico sep several times
comic happened to where we put quotas on southern european eastern europeans
i think we all came delivered who whom guitar
related to occur at the migrant someone for the federation
antiquated and we need to think about
humane way to put up even to the shoes of those people who still current trying
to come accross and that
that was that one thing i think we need to kind of open our life and deal with
this issue and a humane way and i'd thank i'm afraid that we're kind of
going the opposite direction with uh... from the very
negative and frankly here racist comments but uh... hurricane competitor
setup i totally agree about that
differences book is moving millions petty cattles appeals global integration
thanks so much for joining some think this really appreciate it
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