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>> >>PEGGY: FOR CAMP PENDLETON MARINES ACCUSED OF BEATING A MAN IN LONG BEACH ON LABOR DAY
COULD BE CHARGED WITH A HATE CRIME. THERE'S ALSO THE RECENT KILLING SPREE AT A
SIKH TEMPLE IN WISCONSIN. HERE WITH DETAILS ON LOCAL HATE GROUPS AND
THEIR MUSIC SCENE IS ROFORTER DAVE MAASS OF SAN DIEGO CITY BEAT.
DAVE, LET'S START WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S RECENT REPORT THAT SAID THAT HATE CRIMES ARE
DOWN IN CALIFORNIA. IS THAT A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE?
>> >>DAVE MAASS: NO. IT'S ONLY ABOUT A 4%, WHICH STILL SOUNDS PRETTY
GOOD, BUT IT REALLY IS WITHIN ONLY A FEW DOZEN. IF YOU LOOK AT SAN DIEGO COUNTY, THE F. B.I.RECORDED
SOMETHING LIKE 120, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAD 112.
IT VARIES A LITTLE BIT. >> >>PEGGY: THERE WERE SOME SPECIFICS AS FAR
AS THIS REPORT SAYS. THEY FOUND THE MOST COMMON TIP OF HATE CRIME
IN THE STATE IS BASED ON RACE, ETHNICITY, NATIONAL ORIGIN, AND HATE CRIMES AGAINST BLACKS
THEY FOUND WERE ACCOUNTED FOR NEARLY A THIRD OF THE TOTAL REPORTED.
ANTI HISPANIC CRIMES WERE DOWN ABOUT 43%. IS THERE ANY REASON YOU DISCOVERED FOR THAT?
ARE THEY SAYING THERE'S ANY REASON FOR THAT? >> >>DAVE MAASS: IT WAS A REALLY SURPRISING
NUMBER. I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY'S COME TO ME WITH
AN IDEA OF WHAT THE CHANGE IS. IT COULD BE PEOPLE REPORTING IT LESS, IT COULD
BE THAT THERE'S MORE ACCEPTANCE IN OUR SOCIETY. REALLY, I DON'T HAVE A VERY GOOD ANSWER TO
THAT. >> >>PEGGY: I WASN'T ABLE TO FIND ANY EITHER
WITH THE REPORTS. WE'LL IS TO KEEP OUR EYE ON THAT.
YOWIVE DONE A LOT OF REPORTING ON HATE CRIME GROUPS IN SAN DIEGO SPECIFICALLY, MUSIC GROUPS
HERE. TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THOSE WHITE SUPREMACIST
GROUPS IN SAN DIEGO. >> >>DAVE MAASS: AT THE END OF JULY, EL CAJON
HOSTED ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT WHITE SUPREMACIST CONCERTS IN THE NATION.
IT WAS PUT ON ON BY THE HAMMER SKIN NATION, CREW 38, ESSENTIALLY THE SAME GROUP, AND A
RECORD LABEL CALLED ANTIPATHY RECORDS WHICH CONTINUES TO SELL SOME OF THE SAME RECORDINGS
BY WADE PAGE WHO WAS INVOLVED BY THE SIKH SHOOTING.
IT WAS A HUGE EVENT, WENT TOTALLY UNDER THE RADAR.
>> >>: POLICE GEU ABOUT IT. THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT IT ON THE SLY.
>> >>DAVE MAASS: YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY THE WHITE SUPREMACISTS DON'T ANNOUNCE THIS UNTIL JUST
BEFORE. THE ANTIDEFAMATION LEAGUE TEND TO HAVE FAKE ACCOUNTS.
SOMEBODY WAS TIPPED OFF RIGHT BEFORE THEY ALERTED EL CAJON POLICE AND DID HAVE A PRESENCE
OUTSIDE THE VFW HALL IN HELL KU HON. >> >>PEGGY: WHAT ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER GROUPS,
WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHER GROUPS? >> >>DAVE MAASS: THOSE ARE THE THREE, MAX
RESIST, CHAOS 80, I THINK IS THE BAND, AND WHITE KNUCKLE DRIVER, AS YOU SAID.
MAX RESIST IS PERHAPS ONE OF THE MOST PROMINENT SKIN HEAD BANDS IN THE COUNTRY.
THAT BAND WADE PAGE ACTUALLY DID SUBSTITUTE IN FOR U OTHER BAND MEMBERS.
>> >>PEGGY: THE THESE CONCERTS ARE PROTECTED BY FREE SPEECH.
IS THERE ANYTHING LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN DO? I MEAN, ARE THEY INCITING VIOLENCE, CAN THEY
GET THEM ON ANYTHING? >> >>DAVE MAASS: I THINK IT'S JUST A FIRST
AMENDMENT ISSUE. I THINK THE POLICE TEND TO LET THEM DO THEIR
THING AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T CROSS THAT LINE. SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'D SEE IN THE WEST BUREAU
BAPTIST CHURCH. MAYBE THEIR POLITICS STIR PEOPLE, AS LONG
AS THEY DON'T CROSS INTO VIOLENCE, MAYBE NOT. THEY DO MAKE SURE THESE THINGS DO EVENTUALLY
I MEAN, PEOPLE DO EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW I MEAN, THINGS DO HAPPEN.
I DON'T WANT TO PAINT A GROUP WITH ANYTHING, BUT WADE PAGE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
>> >>PEGGY: DOES LAW ENFORCEMENT HERE IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY HAVE A SPECIFIC DETAIL OR A SPECIFIC
GROUP THAT SORT OF MONITORS THE GOING ONS OF THESE GROUPS?
>> >>DAVE MAASS: I BELIEVE THE F. B.I.DEFINITELY IS THE GO TO AGENCY ON A LOT OF THIS STUFF.
THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DOES TAKE A LOOK, ESPECIALLY LGBT ISSUES.
YOU DO SEE I THINK IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY THAT WAS THE LARGEST NUMBER OF HATE RELATED CRIMES.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF SENSE SENSITIVITY IN SAN DIEGO BECAUSE OF THAT.
>> >>PEGGY: WHAT ADDITIONAL PENALTIES DO THEY FACE BECAUSE IT IS A HATE CRIME IN ADDITION?
>> >>DAVE MAASS: I COULDN'T TELL YOU THE EXACT, BUT IT IS AN AGGRAVATING FACTOR.
IF YOU HAVE A VIOLENCE CONVICTION, YOU CAN AMPLIFY THE SENTENCE BASED ON A HATE CRIME.
THEY ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO PROVE. YOU HAVE TO ESSENTIALLY PROVE SOMEBODY'S MOTIVATION
FOR A CRIME. GETTING INSIDE SOMEBODY'S HEAD IS A DIFFICULT
THING TO PROVE IN THE COURT OF LAW.